I was also someone blessed enough to know Kristy. She was a great friend - I
think these comments lose a little perspective. A woman - a friend, mother,
daughter, was killed. She is gone - not allowed to raise her boys. Shame on
all of you who lost sight of this injustice. She was a fabulous woman,
selfless, funny, and full of life. She will be missed sorely.
To the I was blessed to have known Kristy. I met her when she was 18.
Its been years since I last saw her, however Ive thought of her often. Kristy
was a sweet, loving and kind friend. She had a bright light about her. I
remember Kristys honest love and devotion for her LDS faith, and although I am
not LDS myself I will always have deep admiration and respect for all of my LDS
friends. I too believe that Kristy is with the Lord. ILoveUKRISTY!!God Bless the familysyour all in my thoughts and prayers
My thoughts and prayers go out to the family of the victim and the shooter's
family. Why You ask the shooter's family, because they have lost someone too.
I pray for those little boys, that they will know that mommy is walking with God
and watching from above. That they will always find peace with knowing that
they have family that loves them very much, and grow up knowing how much their
mommy loved them. I have a 23 month old son and a 7 1/2 year old step daughter,
and I can't imagine my life with out them. I pray for everyone that is
involved. and May God be with everyone in this time of saddness.
When she was a little girl. She was full of life, the sweetest girl--always
singing, skipping and jumping. She was three years younger than me and we went
to the same church in Washington State. She was the sort of girl that got
attached to you, and she left a soft spot in the hearts of many. I hope that
her children will know this about her, and that her family knows how much she is
remembered.God Bless you Kristy.
Has anyone talked to the attorney that advised Kristy to go back to the family
home kick him out and change the locks?? She was safely back at home in WA with
her family. Because she might lose everything! Now give me a break. She might
still be alive, and struggling a little but alive just the same. Kristy was a
wonderful carring person as is the rest of the family. Unfortunately David
didn't go on the run! Then he may have been dealt with accordingly by law
enforcement. Life in prison is not enough.
To The "EXPERTS":You claim to know what & why and blame it on Mormon
culture, gun laws, anti-depressants, abusive men (as though all men are evil)...
You claim to know the hearts of Kristy and David.Maybe you've never
done anything wrong or regrettable in your whole entire life. Wow, you are
perfect, congratulations! You are so perfect and righteous that you don't even
need Christ's atonement. You're special that way. You can sit high in judgment
and not have to follow God's commandment to forgive all men, like the rest of
us. You're above that. How great you are!BUT NO. You DON'T know the
hearts of the families involved, you don't know what was going on in the lives
of Kristy and David. Maybe you casually knew one or both and think you have the
whole picture. You don't know the pain of both families, nor the
hearts of anyone connected. Yes, laws of the land will apply, but only God will
ultimately decide where to apply mercy and forgiveness. Personally, I am amazed
at the forgiveness shown by those affected and the healing that has already
begun. We'll never forget, but we'll have Christ's help.
He was on anti-depressants & I don't think that helped! Read Ann Blake Tracy's
book about the effects of anti-depressants.I sad for the children &
my heart goes out to them.
To Lee who posted above, I think you should worry more for your reading or
viewing comprehension before making comments. It was the Palizzi family who made
the statement regarding judgment, not David's sister. The two families involved
here are united in trying to recover from this horrible tragedy so that the
children left behind might have a chance at building healthy lives. It was the
Palizzis who asked that people like you stay out of the judgment game, not the
Ragsdales. In this matter, you are nothing but a bystander, ignorant of the
facts. It's people like you that will make it hard for those of us who are
actually involved to move forward and rebuild our lives. Our families love both
Kristy and David, and are grieved by what happened. We pray for BOTH of them and
their children. I only hope that you never have to endure such a thing in your
family, but if you do you will learn that snap judgments like yours are not
helpful at all.
TO LEE:"Would two women be alive today if they were told of the
history of the men they were to marry?"Uh... are you making things
up here? There were no secrets from David's past that were being hidden. I am a
relative and I'm not sure what rumors you are trying to spread here. Do you know
anyone from this family personally?As far as you thinking that it is
David's sister trying to make everyone forgive him: YOU KNOW NOTHING. Kristy's
mother has been exceedingly forgiving of her own accord. We all loved Kristy and
David both. Ragsdales and Palizzis are all stepping up to the plate to do their
best for the boys. Please do not speculate or spread falsehoods when you don't
even know these people.
um the story makes complete sence...The article was stating that there were two
boys walking by that were just bystanders. It wasnt talking about the couples
two children. It also say there were towo other men a little further away. Just
bystanders....The boys were just not there that day, weird in the mormon church
I know. If you ask me I think the guy snapped because of the pressures of the
Mormon Church... sad.
to the family:I am heart broken by your loss, i was friends with kristy
growing up, she was a devine individual, i was shocked to get the call by my
sister who attended school with her older brother. I pray for the best to your
family, i can only imagine the horror that her mom is feeling right now. I saw
kristy some years ago during a visit to home in southcenter and was shocked to
her calling my name. She was a very good friend growing up and sounds like she
continued being the wonderful person she was back-in-the-day. I pray for your
comfort as a family, and am just sick to my stomach that any man could do such a
thing to her. God Bless to you all and hope that this message may seek you out.
I hope you have a service for her here in washington, for I would love nothing
more to attend. She was a dear person and I am truly sorry for not just the loss
to your family but to this great nation also. Kristy could light the dark with
her cheer. Please take care Palizzi family! GOD BE WITH YOU
I think it is interesting that so many people can use this tragedy to launch
such insensitive, lame, or calloused comments. A woman was brutally murdered!
Children were left without a mother (or a father). It would appear some of the
readership would qualify as members of the congregation mentioned in Alma
31--please google for prayer towers. God bless us everyone.
"Stray shots also could have struck a nearby home, a witness and two young boys
who were walking about 20 to 30 feet away and two other men about 30 to 40 feet
away". The article states that there were two young boys NOT HER boys. This
article is very informative, learn how to read.
"If Obama were president this kind of thing wouldn't happen." Are you kidding
me? How insensitive to use a local tragedy to push a political agenda! Crime
will happen regardless of the political leadership.Just curious, how
could Obama have deterred this from happening? Switching over to a socialist
state? Gone are the days of John Calvin and Joseph Stalin.
The validictorian of my high school graduation class is sitting at the point of
the mountain for killing his wife....too much rocket fuel fumes.
For being LDS as one Jewish rabbi stated: The farther a monkey climbs up a
tree the more his butt is exposed.I feel for the family.
Without condemnation, I think we need to take a look at ourselves sometimes as
members. I see a element to this cold blooded murder that exists in the Hacking
case - that being that families are not entirely honest about their childrens
(in this case sons) past. Would two women be alive today if they were told of
the history of the men they were to marry?Whilst we do need to
forgive, we also need to be honest and realistic about who our children are and
what they have done so that we dont perpetuate a lie and create victims.I do think it abhorrent that Davids sister is endorsing forgiveness. It
takes time and should not be dictated by the perpetrators family. Perhaps after
the first threat to Kristy's life his family should have taken action: take away
his guns, get police involved. Lets stop trying to sweep things under the carpet
If Obama were President this kind of thing wouldn't happen.
I also agree that the comment board spoils the news. I would like to draw my
own conclusions and do my own pondering after reading an article and not have it
all distorted by everyone else's opinions. I only read the comments
occasionally and prefer to write positive ones myself. Reading the comments for
this article has cured me. I won't be checking them again.
I can't believe it, but sure enough some loose screw actually did play the "only
in Utah" card. Yeah, here in Syracuse, NY we never have violence against women.
Shame on you D News for having this comment board. It is a damn shame and all
of you will be held accountable for its effects. However, dont listen to me
because I know you will never drop your comment board because of the number of
visitors you have each day.
When will there be a moderator to these posts? Comon Des News! Nobody needs to
read the trash that is posted on these free for alls. God bless the victims.
"The temporary protective order protected not only Kristy Ragsdale but her
mother and her two young sons, Brandon, 4, and Carter, 19 months."Doesn't sound like the protective order protected anyone to me?
LD ese, this is not the place for your bigoted remarks. This should be a place
to offer kind words to a grieving family/friends and to try to understand how we
can change things to try and prevent situations like this in the future. No one
wants to hear any of your rantings or cheap shots against the LDS church. You
should hide your head in shame.
I challenge anyone to show that LDS/Mormons in Utah or without the stste have a
higher rate of domestic violence than any other population group.In
fact, LDS men are much less likely to hurt or harm their wives (also, LDS men
are much more likely to have one wife/sexual partner) than any other group.Bad things happen everywhere and to all people, but to say that it
actually happens more to Mormons in this case is naive and ludicrous.LDS are generally very successful in marriages, and there are a few who have
problems like everyone else.God bless this family at this time.
Sometimes I think this online comment section is the worst thing that's ever
happened to journalism. There are submissions without accountability. In the
wake of a mindless act we rave about the sorry government that can't help (shot
in the back walking into church), that Utah is a hopeless state and should look
to other states who don't have these problems, that Utah County is a bubble that
could have somehow seen this coming, that the Mormon church must be flawed to
allow this to happen, and that the Deseret News houses incompotent and terrible
journalism. Interesting reaction. Makes me sad, but not as sad as the events.
My heart goes out to the families (including the husband's family), that ward
and neighborhood, and anyone else who's experienced anything similar.
I want to be on the jury so I can vote to fry his sorry butt.
Another Mormon woman's life taken... hmmm Misogyny seems to reign in the
paternalistic cult.... I am sure his other wives are terrified.
I am LDS [from the mission field]; and I can't believe what a group of
gossiping hens and judgemental people you are. Just by reading your comments I
am also guilty of the sin of judging others, yet I must say: it doesn't matter
where the 2 sons were, - 2 young boys witnessed a terrible act; it doesn't
matter about whether the building was evacuated or locked down; and, it surely
doesn't matter if this sister was late for sacrament meeting. A travesty
occurred that will have life-long implications for all involved This travesty
doesn't need to to be examined by people [especially Church members],
like arm chair quarter-backing. 20/20 hindsight is a mortal perspective and we
are counselled not to rely in the arm of flesh. Our duty is to pray for ALL
involved and try to leave the Judgements in God's hands. WE are to forgive and
aid those left behind and pray for strength for all those involved and for
ourselves. So , we can retain belief in the words that " His ways are not our
ways". God help and strenghten us all to learn how to be kinder to each other
and ourselves. Thanks.
You must be kidding, Barstow, that this only happens in Utah! I venture to say
that this type of crime happens in every state in the country. And we know for
sure it happens in California -- think about Robert Blake, OJ Simpson, Scott
Peterson, etc. What a ludicrous comment!!
I agree that any protective order or restraining order should have a mandatory
surrender of known firearms when violence has been threatened. I think it is
ridiculous that a man can previously threaten harm with a gun and then only a
toothless protective allows him to keep his gun which he has threatened somebody
with. Although protective orders can be abused, it seems to me they need more
teeth in them. Would a protective order requiring surrender of his Glock
prevented this senseless killing? Maybe. Maybe not. I would think that your 2nd
Am. right to arms should be limited when you have previously threatened a
innocent person with that firearm.
If you did you would see that the article said a witness and two young boys. not
her boys. her boys were not there! They were in draper with other family
I am one of the ex wive's of somebody who is doing time in the Utah state Prison
for murder. When a husband threatens to kill his wife if she does not do what he
wants of her, he means it. If she confides this in somebodey else, believe that
she is telling the truth and get some kind of help immediately. If you are the
victim of some domestic abuse, make a written and accurate list of what is
happening and get out and get a protective order. Don't kick him out, you leave
out and hide if you have to. It's better to be hiding than to be dead.
To - RE: I'm confused 6:21 p.m."Only in Utah" do crimes like this
occur? So I suppose Nichole Brown Simpson, Lacy Peterson, and the hundreds of
other women who have been murdered (or allegedly murdered) by their husbands all
lived in Utah? Are you next going to tell me that Susan Smith was from Utah?I fail to understand why some people take advantage of tragedies like
this as a way to slam Utah and/or the state's main religion. I often hear people
talk about how they're sick of hearing about the LDS Church in the news. Sounds
like what they're really saying is, they hate to hear the good, but they love to
hear the bad.
As a person who takes multiple mental illness medications, I would never carry a
gun.When the court issued a protective order (or restraining order)
couldn't that have included a surrender of all firearms? Even if not registered,
family and friends would probably know if and what firearms he had and could
speak at the hearing.No person with a court order preventing them
from being near another person should be allowed to possess guns.Did
anyone notice that she was late for sacrament meeting?
Dave was pretty ticked off at everyone involved, including Kristy's mom and the
whole neighborhood, for the role that everyone played in helping Kristy get
through the tough time of being cheated on. Neighbors witnessed the
"girlfriend" leaving the house early in the morning when Kristy was out of town.
He had made threats towards Kristy's mom too. So to think that he only
endangered one life is ridiculous! Everyone in that building was in danger.
Had they not been in contact with him and talked him into the police station so
quickly I would think the whole building would have been, or should have been,
locked down, but instead was immediately evacuated.
He was "PUT in a hellish situation"? You make it sound like he was a victim of
circumstances. He CHOSE to cheat on his wife. He was sleeping with another
woman. As a wife and mother don't you think she was justified in kicking him
out for that? He cheated on his first wife, and she left him. Except he kept
the infidelity a secret from Kristy. She only learned about that recently.
There WERE others present when he threatened the family, and that's documented
in the protective order. He's had a long history of lies and deceipt, and he
was finally faced with the truth and he couldn't handle it. He wasn't PUT in
any hellish circumstances, he put himself in this situation by his own choices.
Dear More Thinking... You are right to suggest there are two sides to every
story. However, it's a stretch to jump to the conclusion that Dave was a victim
of 'abhorrent' family laws, 'false accusations' or 'hellish circumstances.' He
did not have a history of violence, but there were witnesses to his threats. He
was also clinically depressed and on medication. The restraining order was there
for a reason - in case he snapped, which he did.Ironically, women often
find themselves at a disadvantage in regards to rights and laws. Both sexes can
- and do - abuse the system.Last, I didn't really see any mob mentality in
these replies (with the exception of the accusations that the article was poorly
written by those who misread "two young boys walking nearby" to mean Kristy's
sons) only shock, dismay and a lot of sadness for all the families involved.
"Captital murder charges are being considered because [someone] was
standing closeby that may have been hit with a stray bullet"?How
about capital murder charges because he gunned someone down in cold blood?My heart aches for this family and those who live in fear of violence
....and perhaps the medications had a huge effect! However....murder...cold
blooded, murder, planned and executed is just that. Two things fuel
the keeping of abuse of all kinds alive.1- Keeping it secret2-
Making excuses for the abuserStop making excuses for this vile act!
Even if things were not as "he" wanted them to be there is no excuse for cold
It is very sad, but believe it or not, there is a deeper story here and it
involves the hurt, pain and injustice the perpetrator suffered as well. His act
was unconscionable, but why did he become so? Part of it deals with the
abhorrent family laws that strip fathers from their children and give them no
rights in defending themselves against completely false accusations. We don't
really know if he ever threatened anyone in front of his children or if it was
made up. False accusations in these situations are ubiquitous because they get
results for mothers. Did he have a history of violence? What do past family
members say about him? What we do know is that if put in hellish circumstances,
most humans are capable of doing anything, even this. Instead of sounding like a
stupid mob yelling, can we begin to think critically while grieving for them?
This is not like Mark Hacking, who was just a selfish pig, this is about a whole
family being victimized, and most of all, the poor sons.
This kind of crime doesn't happen in Barstow because no one lives there.
The whole thing makes me nearly physically ill!
I am totally disgusted that this would ever happen! My ex wife threatened a
police dispatcher. Nothing ever came of it. She threatened me on many ocassions.
Protective orders are as worthless as the paper that they are written on. They
only serve as a written deterent in the hope that the person that they are used
against will be afraid of the consequences of any violence that he/she may use
against the other person. Any other reason for a restraining order is in the
mind of the judge. It is used as onlyl a hope that something bad may not happen.
Twenty years later my ex still makes threats and "uses" our children. It is a
horrible thing. Nothing can or will ever be done. Violence should be treated as
such. Unless someone is physically hurt, nothing is ever done.No one
should ever have to live under the threat of violence against them. May the
memory of this live in us and make us better people. May the Lord bless the
families. They need it and will need it later from us as well.
I think just living in Barstow alone would drive me insane... If everyone is so
confused on the article, go else where to read it. Meanwhile, show sympathy to
family & children. the reporting of the story should be everyone lease concern.
God bless this Family & especially the children.
The courts have ruled repeatedly that the police have NO DUTY TO PROTECT ANY
INDIVIDUAL, but are only obligated to track down attackers after the fact.The LDS Church has exercised their right under Utah law to prohibit
firearms in all their places of worship.The killer may have selected
this time and place to act, knowing that no one there would be armed. Our thoughts and prayers go out to the victim and her family. The despicable
killer deserves a fair trial, and a swift punishment.
I Live in Arizona, and the comment by sad that only one person was in danger
true as it is,but what would have happened if this guy would have taken up
refuge in the church? Would it have made a difference now? In a lot of cases,
this is what happens when an act of violence happens.I am not anti gun and I
think that the spoksman was right.If any one's comments needs to be its your's.
They were grossley out of place.
I find it humorous that everyone wants to claim others should be carrying arms
to prevent this but no one wanted to exclaim no guns or even no hand guns!
Having lived in nations that have no guns and seeing their amazingly low amount
of crime I have a tendency to buy into it, HOWEVER; no gun control or armed
guard would have prevented this. The man was either completely mad or simply
evil and nothing would have stopped him. Evil exists in this world regardless
of our movies, tv, etc. it always has and always will. Prior to the industrial
revolution what was society's response to violent crimes? Surely it wasn't
Byron's plays? As has been said before all we can do is hope and pray that
these unfortunate children will be able to cope and live a happy life. The only
prevention would be a man who learned to control himself and communicate with
his spouse and that appears it may be the hardest thing to teach some of us men.
I pray those children, especially the older son who will remember his parents
vividly, will be encircled in the arms of love and mercy.
This is just an absolutely horrific event for the entire community. I know
Dave, I have known him for a couple of years and saw him only days before this
happened. There were definitely signs that Dave was a troubled guy but nothing
on the surface that would have made you suspect this kind of behavior. I am
completely disgusted to find out what had happened leading up to this though,
things the authorities knew about. Dave should have been locked up as soon as
he threatened this wife on December 4th! I am furious that he was not taken
into custody right then. Women and children are the victims of this kind of
behavior and until we as a society get the clue here and stop waiting until
something horrible like this happens we will continue to see these types of
scenes unfold. You should not be allowed to get into a fight with your wife and
threaten her with a gun and not go to prison! From what I can tell there were
witnesses to that exchange and he should have been investigated and prosecuted!
There are no winners in this and Dave should receive no leniency.
I agree that they could make it a safer place. Especially after she reported her
husband's threats. Wouldn't they keep an eye on that man? Oh well what can be
done now? It's a sad time for the family and friends. You're in my prayers.
I am in total agreement with the sentiment of the statement by the LDS church
spokesman, but it is quite an exaggeration to say “hundreds of
worshippers” were “endangered.”According to all reports
I’ve read only ONE person and possibly a few bystanders were actually
endangered. The shooter wasn’t after the entire congregation. He was after
ONE individual and used pretty much all of his ammunition on her. The quote by
the LDS Church spokesman should have been reported as the gross exaggeration
that it was.I realize that some gun control advocates want us to believe
that ONE gun with one bullet could take out an entire football stadium full of
people, but let’s have some accuracy in these reports instead of this anti
gun hysteria!My sympathy and prayers go out to all who have been affected
by this tragedy, but everyone who was affected was not “endangered.”
The article does not mention that it took the Lehi Police Department 20 minutes
to respond to the scene after it was first contacted. Is this typical?
For those that propose that we somehow make this a "safer place" for women and
children, what would you suggest? He hadn't committed a crime until he killed
her. They issued a restraining order immediately and the police responded to
Kristy's request to be there to keep the peace when he moved out. The Lehi
police were always there at her request, but you cannot put someone behind bars
for "seeing the red flags" of what may happen. Ultimately, people have their
own agency and make their own decisions. We cannot PREVENT crime, but let's
make sure he's punished accordingly so the consequences match the crime.
Re: I'm confused and others who are uncertain...the article doesn't state that
the two young boys were his sons. Just that two young boys were walking nearby,
as 'Help to "Im confused" has stated.The Ragsdales children were in
Draper with relatives.Kristy had finished an interview with her
bishop, had left to pick up her mother, and the two women had just returned to
the church.He was waiting for her in the parking lot.
What this man did to his wife (possibly in the presence of their children) was
absolutely horrendous. But, I don't have a heaven or a hell to put him in, so I
can't pass judgment on him. I just pray for everyone involved.
I agree with you Kris!!! Wake up Happy Valley!!! It's time this State becomes a
safer place for women and children!!!! It's time for Law Enforcement to really
Protect those who need protection!!! This women had a protective order against
this abusive man who was making threats on her life!!! All the red flags were
there!! Why wasn't this taken more seriously?! Here we have a middle class
beautiful family that looked like the "All American Family" that turned into
society's worst nightmare............. and yes it happened here in "Happy
No, crimes like this don't just happen in Utah. I live in Fla. and it happens
I just couldn't sleep last night and lay awake all night worrying about those
little boys and the kind of life they will life from now on. I worry about them
asking where "Mommy" is and who is going to help them get through this. I worry
about the victim's mother who saw such a horrible, cold-blooded killing and will
have to have that nightmare in her head forever. I worry about the witnesses
who saw this tragedy and will forever wonder if they could have done "something"
to prevent it. I worry about the victim's and the shooter's families as they
grieve through this unimaginable tragedy. I do NOT, however, worry about the
shooter. I know we are not supposed to judge, but we should all remember that
anger is a COMPLETELY NORMAL human reaction to such a tragedy as a murder. The
Lord gives us a lifetime to work through our trials, anger, and grief. May God
bless them as they grieve and attempt to heal at this incredibly heartbreaking
I really to hope that last comment about Utah crime was sarcastic becuase
honestly. Such ignorance would be beyond reason. I myself am a
concealed weapons carrier and although it may not have helped in this situation,
it could have been helpful in others. Suppose he continued his shooting rampage
without regard for whom he was shooting killing 9, 10 or more. Would people be
grateful for someone who helped by stopping him or still upset about a citizen
carrying a weapon. Until your in the situation where you need help against
someone on a merciless shooting spree, be careful how you react to those of us
who choose to carry weapons. Remember, it's not only to protect us, but to
protect you as well. I hope I never have to use my weapon. My heart
and prayers go out to the victims family and friends, from both sides of this
horrible event. I pray for an end to such sensless violence.
Excuse me, Barstow! "Only in Utah does crime like this happen." You have GOT to
If we were more apt as a society to defend ourselves and carry weapons, most
aspiring criminals would reconsider their devious plans. It does take people
actually carrying weapons, and taking action in threatening situations, and the
media reporting it, and the government not allowing folks being attacked in
court because they did defend life and liberty to work.This IS an
extremely sad event.
Why do people assume the victim is at fault when somethin like this happens?
Have we not seen enough domestic violence to recognize that it is all about
power and control from the part of the perpetrator? It is repugnant to even try
to justify the actions of a person like this. The laws need to be changed
to provide better protection for women and children when they report abuse of
any kind to the authorities. My sincere condolences to the family
of this poor woman; may God comfort them and I hope they have the strength to
raise those babies now that they don't have the love of a mother every child
needs to grow up.Please show respect to this woman in her death, and
allow her family to mourn appropiately.
You are right. Only from the Deseret News do you get such indecisive
information. Such communication accounts for poor and lazy journalism.As for the crime itself - I'm glad I live in Barstow, California. Only in
Utah does crime like this occur.
My sister was killed in Lehi almost 4 years ago by her husband..........Maybe the police could work on that????They missed it when my sister
died........And the Judge in Provo, didn't throw the book at him, which
would of saved her.......because he would of been behind bars instead of playing
with her mind.Could they have helped more here?
The children were definitely not there and were in Draper at the time of the
shooting, no matter what is reported.
The article has a few discrepancies.
We can all learn from this tragedy to address problems before they get to the
proportion that a person reacts in anger and does insane things like this. We
are not David's judges. The Lord is his judge and He knows the whole story.
Let's learn the things we need to know and leave judgement to the Lord.
It is sad that our world is so violent. Our TVs, Movies, Video Games portray so
much violence, that it is becoming the norm. We are too indoctrinated. It seems
that now a day we solve all our problems or conflicts with violence. I see no
solution to change such behaviour. I am afraid we might be beyond turning things
around. I suppose we can personally shun all forms of violence in our personal
lives,in hopes and hope that others might do the same. What is sad is that a
person who may try and avoid all forms of violence still can become a victim of
violence. May the survivors of this violent act find the peace
"which passeth all understanding..and keep your hearts and minds through Christ
Even if she had a gun it was reported she was shot in the back, she never had a
chance. It is so sad he decided not to be responsible and not have a gun when he
was clearly in mental distress as reported by his use of medications. There is
just no one cure for this infected world in which we live.
I hope this helps, but the Desnews.com earliest account had the boys in "his,"
Ragsdale's home. An updated version, several hours later, has them 20-30 feet
away and at the church as stated by the prosecuter--hence the capital murder
charge. I suspect the Desnews.com left the early edition paragraph in, unedited
or perhaps an editing oversight, in an effort to keep readers updated as to the
situation. So sad, so crazy, so many prayers needed!!
Some of the comments suggest that if the victim here had been packing heat, this
wouldn't have happened. Gee, I wonder what would have happened if she had been
carrying a gun? Would she have had warning and opportunity to react? Or are you
suggesting that a bystander draw a gun and drop the dirt bag in his tracks after
he commits his murderous act? Could senseless shootings of this nature really be
prevented by everybody being armed? Or would it just turn into a bloodbath with
authorities not knowing who the bad guy is? I am a second amendment
supporter, but I fail to see that everybody packing heat is a viable solution to
the crazy state of our society.
I agree with "I'm Confused". The story is contradicting, stating at one point
that Ragsdale's sons were walking a short distance away during the shooting, but
also that they were at his home in Draper. Which was it?All other
reports have said the boys were at his home in Draper, so I think that was
likely the case. Were they left there all alone, though? No reports have said he
left them under anyone's supervision. They were very young children. Why did he
have them with him, anyways? I would think with those threats Kristy would have
wanted them with her only.I knew David Ragsdale as a co-worker in
the past. I am shocked and disgusted to find out that he had this side to him.
All of my prayers are for the remaining family members (both Kristy's and
Dave's), and I am glad that no one else was injured or killed in this horrible
I agree--I had to go back and read it again. Were they or were they not present
at the time of the shooting?
ooooo- speechless and such a lack of understanding and brain power. Mr. Ragsdale
is responsible for his actions that led to murder - there is never a
justification for premeditated murder.
Part of this story doesn't make any sense. In one paragraph it says the
Ragsdale's two young sons were walking about 20 to 30 feet away. In a subsequent
paragraph, the story says they were in Draper at David Ragsdale's home at the
time of the shooting.
Yes it is...it is a testamate of the world we live in today. There is no such
thing as a safe place or "sure thing". It is one of the many reasons why I have
chosen to protect my family by buying a gun and we have gotten the proper
training on how to use it. That includes the children. We feel that it will only
get worse before it gets better. We can only pray for guidance and strength and
have faith in our testimonies.
Carry always and everywhere.Always.Everywhere.The only other option is to be a defenseless victim.
It's a sad day when you can't even go to church without fearing for your life.
Two church shootings in a month's time period, this is just sad. First Colorado
and now here. Is anyone safe?