Scott D. Pierce: MWC TV picture muddled further by CSTV changes

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  • Shon in AZ
    Jan. 19, 2008 5:50 p.m.

    Just put the games on the internet. There's really nothing to lose. At a minimum, it escapes BYU/UTAH sealing their current fate as relevant in-state-only schools. Before the mtn, at least they had a regional following. I live in AZ, a neighboring state, and can't get any coverage of BYU. Frustrated, I've become a loyal ASU fan (even though I never went to ASU). the mtn, what a fan-base killer.

  • haplessleague
    Jan. 5, 2008 1:33 p.m.

    This is just another glitch in the messed up world of the Mountain West Conference. We just got through a meaningless bowl season where the league champion BYU plays a fifth place team from the PAC, where Utah plays in the afterthought-to-the-Holiday-Bowl-bowl game, where New Mexico designs its own bowl against a 6-6 WAC team, where Air Force plays in the afterthought-to-the-Cotton-Bowl-but-at-least-it-is-after-Christmas-Armed-Forces-Bowl game. TCU probably has the best bowl game in Houston, but it isn't even officially tied to the MWC. At least the Liberty Bowl was between two conference champs.
    The mtn. is about the same. Why did the MWC sign a deal without knowing distribution rights? These days anyone with a video camera and a PC can call themselves a TV station.

    Utah, BYU do something. Get out of the league, drastically change the leadership of the league or go out on your own. TAKE control of your future.

  • Re: Wake Up
    Jan. 5, 2008 1:24 p.m.

    Huh? You said, "CSTV offered to put $$$ in the athletic programs. Yes there was a risk, but it was necessary."

    Please explain WHY the risk was necessary; and, more importantly, how the MWC is now better off as a result if CSTV is sold out. I also find your use of 'we' and 'most of you' revealing if not denigrating. If you're such an expert, bring a solution instead of just pointing a finger.

  • Wake Up
    Jan. 5, 2008 12:56 p.m.

    I'm sorry but it seems like the vast majority of the people on here have no clue of the realities that face BYU and Utah. First, the PAC-10 does NOT want either school. They might laugh if we beg, but it will not change anything. It costs millions to support a D-1 athletic program. ESPN's offer (besides horrible scheduling) was a joke. CSTV offered to put $$$ in the athletic programs. Yes there was a risk, but it was necessary. BYU-TV can not afford to put the kind of money into BYU that they need. BYU/Utah fans are cheap. They want everything for free or nearly free. Good season tickets to BYU football are a bargain compared to most other D-1 schools. BYU would charge more if they could but you all would scream bloody murder. Cougar Club donations are small compared to other D-1 schools. Independence has major problems associated with it.

    In short, you all want your cake and eat it too. Most of you have no idea what you are talking about. Get your heads out of the clouds and try to be a little bit realistic. PLEASE!!!

  • Bronco fan
    Jan. 5, 2008 12:19 p.m.

    I think the only way out of this mess is to do what Boise State does, play the games ESPN wants to televise nationally and the rest of the games put on locally, Boise State has a statewide TV network, and ESPN puts those games on gameplan, kind of makes all the games available nationwide for those intersted in watching. MWC schools can do the same thing, it isn't rocket science.
    Sorry for all your problems, playing on odd days isn't great, but we sell out everygame no matter when we play.

  • NJ UTE
    Jan. 5, 2008 11:01 a.m.

    Leaving for the PAC10 would be great, but come on they don't want either team. Look at the reality of the BCS, it is much harder for a team to get into the championship game if they have to play a confrence championship game. This has helped USC several times over the past few years and I don't see them or the rest of the PAC10 changing that any time soon.

  • Mogle
    Jan. 5, 2008 10:34 a.m.

    The mtn. is a killer concept. I love the fact that there is a channel all about the MWC. But 'til Comcast let's go of their greed it will never be readily available to everyone. I can't get Comcast where I live!
    The whole idea of forming a new conference with the best WAC and MWC schools is absurd. Do you honestly think the WAC and MWC will let their money-making schools go! NO!
    The PAC-10 will never open up to Utah or BYU. That is another absurd idea. They would have to change their name to the PAC-12, and then would they play for a conference title in football? They don't want that.
    Only solution is the Britney Spears idea or get Comcast to swallow some pride and money. I think the Britney Spears solution is more realistic.

  • Listen with your ears
    Jan. 5, 2008 9:14 a.m.

    Well, it may not be the best solution but you can always catch the game on the radio thanks to the BYU Radio station on satellite. As they call the plays it just takes concentration to create your own picture in your head.

  • AZ Dave
    Jan. 5, 2008 8:09 a.m.

    Ha Ha Ha

  • Bill
    Jan. 5, 2008 8:05 a.m.

    Personally I think BYU and Utah should leave the conference. MWC is a sinking ship and regardless of what CBS or any cable company does, they will get the shaft in the end. They should both leave for the Pac-10. Be bold!

    If the wimps in the athletic offices can't stomach such a move, then consider this: if BYU can afford to broadcast their games on their own religious channel (that surprisingly a lot of people get), why can't the U just buy some coverage from them? While it pains me to write such blasphemy, the channel already exists. Or Utah could put its games on the internet - my wife watches sitcom type stuff on the internet all the time and it works great. I'm afraid though the Utah and BYU's top dogs like mediocrity, so sadly I am most likely writing this in vain.

  • BYU Fan
    Jan. 5, 2008 8:02 a.m.

    Memo to all you MWC fans. We are in a world of hurt with this so-called TV deal. CBS now owns CSTV? That shows you how smart they are. The only reason the MWC signed up this phoney TV package is the universities want to get more fannies in the stadiums. Take a look at the actual attendance at MWC games in terms of the capacity of the stadiums. Going with a TV deal like this simply shows the ineptitude of the conference/universities. I didn't like the ESPN deal either. Playing games on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, etc. is not good.....and at 9 or 10 pm.....that's bizarre.

  • fan
    Jan. 5, 2008 7:29 a.m.

    I hate the mtn.!!

  • PAC 10 only option
    Jan. 5, 2008 5:08 a.m.

    1. our fan base is largest in CA, AZ, WA - not Co, Wyo, NM
    2. recruiting base is also best on West Coast
    3. better competition and recruiting would long term make BYU better (eg. ASU from 70's to now)
    4. access to bigger media markets, exposure for church
    5. BCS conference

    Sure, BYU does not have a strong hand to play, but needs to push. I don't understand the mentality of some being content to stay where we've been for the last 30 years??! Surely we could do as well as UA, OSU, WSU...

    Perhaps the poor media coverage of the LDS church and Utah vis-a-vis the Romney campaign has helped a few of you in Utah to wake up to the fact that you are still an obscure, misunderstood place to the outside world. It's time we aim higher.

  • Anonymous
    Jan. 5, 2008 2:51 a.m.

    Independent? Notre Dame?

    Sir, I know Notre Dame, and BYU is *no* Notre Dame.

    Go ahead, go independent. It'll hasten the day to BYU playing in 1-AA or DII.

    (Oh, and Pac-10? Riiiiiight.)

  • Anonymous
    Jan. 5, 2008 1:38 a.m.

    i had a cool idea. Make a new conference! Take the four best from the wac and mnt west and make a much improved conference. Imagine this.... BYU, UTAH, TCU, NEW MEXICO, BOISE STATE, HAWAII, FRESNO STATE and NEVADA, now doesnt that sound like a much more interesting conference? We could call it the Mid- Western Conference. what do you think?

  • meaningless
    Jan. 4, 2008 11:10 p.m.

    the PAC 10 has said before it is more likely to take UTAH and not BYU. The problem has to do with BYU and its research capabilities or lack of. since UTAH and BYU seem to be a package deal the PAC 10 (assuming it would expand) will not bite. it may be time for UTAH and BYU to split ways for the good of both schools. expansion to the east is unlikely but there may be more of an option for BYU. dream about PAC 10 all you want it will never happen for BYU. the MWC is absolutely meaningless especially now. if BYU or UTAH keeps trying to be the flagship school for this conference they will be meaningless as well. that is a sad eventuality but a true one. keeping the company of wyoming and new mexico does nothing in the long term. as i have said before meaningless conference with a worthless television deal. shame on everyone involved.

  • Different Solution
    Jan. 4, 2008 7:12 p.m.

    How about we all get together and call DirecTV or Dish Network and Request the mtn???


    Good Idea or What???

  • Reality Speaking
    Jan. 4, 2008 6:41 p.m.

    If CBS bails what will probably happen is rebranding to a regional Comcast sports network remaining in the digital premium (pay) cable space similar to where CSTV and mtn are now. That network will be hungry for programs and the MWC could be the focus. But Comcast will still refuse to deal with satellite providers and the competing cable companies unless there is a kick back on subscriber fees and commercial revenue.

    Moving to the PAC 10 is a pipe dream because there's no current financial motivation to expand. And it's painful to hear, but if CBS doesn't want the MWC, why would its competitor ESPN?

    Now would be a good time to call that high-priced attorney to explore any loopholes for getting out of this lame TV contract once and for all. BYU-TV is likely the best interim option for local & national fans alike, but the high cost of televising a full schedule of games will become an issue sooner or later without a way to generate offsetting revenue. Get ready for more turbulents ahead!

  • Steve
    Jan. 4, 2008 4:51 p.m.

    I like all the passion here reguarding "The Mtn" If everyone here would just flood "The Mtn" with emails on everything I read here, Maybe just maybe "The Mtn" would wake up and do something.. Kim Carver and Thompson have to know how we feel. It would be nice if these two would send out a press release stating if The Mtn is dead in the water or if there is life in this channel.

    To the PAC Ten wantabees!! The PAC TEN does not want UTAH or BYU. Get over it!

  • PAC 12 Forever
    Jan. 4, 2008 3:30 p.m.

    Everyone thought BYU could never leave the WAC, and never would. It is time to leave the MWC.
    Beg for an invite from the PAC 10. Make it a super conference with championship football games. BYU and UTAH would fit perfectly with the 4 California, 2 Arizona, 2 Oregon and 2 Washington teams. Leave the "Non BCS" teams and leagues in the PAST. It will become an irrelevant past in no time, like BYU Academy. Lets join the Big Boys, with big time recruits and big money. Lets stop wining about our share, and start asking for our share.
    Both schools would bring a lot to the PAC 10.
    Adjustments can be made to PAC 10 schedules ect. Sunday games with BYU won't happen, tournaments on Sunday don't happen anymore. A North and South division can put the UT, WA, and OR teams in a division with no Sunday games.
    I'm sick of groveling for crumbs at the big boys table. Lets grow up! Leave Wyoming, Boise State, Nevada, Hawaii.
    UTAH and BYU should campaign together for this goal, then go back to bashing eachother as PAC 12 rivals.
    Being a Mid-Major SUCKS MAJOR

  • John Walters
    Jan. 4, 2008 3:26 p.m.

    Stupid, stupid, stupid...

  • frogbrains
    Jan. 4, 2008 3:23 p.m.

    if only the wac stayed at 10 schools.things would be better now. !!

  • not for me!
    Jan. 4, 2008 3:19 p.m.

    I love the new schedule. There have been a few odd games but still Football Saturday at noon and Basketball @ 7:00 is right

  • To: Solution
    Jan. 4, 2008 3:06 p.m.

    Make Britney Spears commissioner of the MWC, driving it off a cliff would be an improvement over what Thompson's done with it. Are Fred and Britney still together??? oh, maybe that was kFed, not Fred...

  • SJ Bobkins
    Jan. 4, 2008 2:30 p.m.

    The college president killed off any exposure by dreaming of this super idea to give the MWC recognition. They should have had an agreement in hand, that stated games would be carried by major cable companies and the satellite providers before they said no to ESPN. They ASSUMED and you all know what that word means.
    They need to put they're collective egos to bed and end this misery. There is no way a MWC team can get the same exposure even a Mid America or WAC can get.
    Voters in the polls have no idea how good BYU might be because they have never seen them play.
    Consider the offer from ESPN $800,000 vs "the mnt" at $1,000,000. $200,000 difference divided by the nine teams is a paltry $22,200 per school. That's less than the presidents pay for catering in a year.
    Athletic Directors should run the athletic programs, "the always went home the first time their momma's called, never got their pants dirty", presidents haven't a clue. Write to Young and Samualson telling them to drop "the mnt" and beg to go on ESPN even if that means Wednesday night games starting at midnight.

  • Optimist
    Jan. 4, 2008 2:17 p.m.

    BYU TV should buy the rights to show all BYU games.

  • Solution
    Jan. 4, 2008 2:12 p.m.

    Let Brittany Spears handle the mtn.

    She'll have that thing driven off a cliff by spring.

  • l
    Jan. 4, 2008 1:39 p.m.

    With the experience that both the U and the Y have at running TV stations, you'd think they could have started up the station themselves and then sold it to ESPN in a year or two, with a contract to show a certain number of MWC games.

    For that matter, an Internet-based channel would have been awesome. Seems like a contract with Joost or another internet-TV station wouldn't be that hard to work out. Charge 100 bucks for the football season and 100 bucks for the basketball season or let people subscribe to individual games. That way, anyone, anywhere that wants to watch can do so. Regular telephone service and regular television service will not survive much longer to the new distribution methods available through the Internet. It's surprising that new contracts are even being signed regarding dying technology like plain cable TV.

    Since what happened in the past is all irrelevant now, it will be interesting to watch and see if CBS sells off the mtn. or if they expand it and make it more available. As it is, it is useless and does not make sense to keep. It has to either grow or go away.

  • Austin BYU Fan
    Jan. 4, 2008 1:35 p.m.

    I think a few poeple need a reality check. Beg ESPN to take us back?!! Are you kidding. Tuesday games. By the end of the contract ESPN only bothered to show one game on ESPN2. The rest were pay per view. Maybe if you live in Utah and get those on KJZZ thats ok, but anywhere else it sucked. I have seen more basketball games live this year on BYUTV then I ever saw on ESPN and the ones they bothered to show I had to stay up into the middle of the night to watch. The CSTV deal sucks, but I think some of us are putting on rose colored glasses when we look back at ESPN. They hated playing MWC games and did all they could to avoid it. They only wanted us to fill out there free time. I would much rather listen to a game over the internet on a Saturday afternoon then listen to a game over the internet in the middle of the night on Tuesday. BYU just needs to figure out a way to broadcast there own stuff. Every satalite subscriber has BYUTV and every home in Utah has KBYU.

  • I Hear You KS
    Jan. 4, 2008 1:31 p.m.

    I have thought the same thing over and over this past year. As soon as CSTV was bought by CBS I wondered if they would care about the MWC. Take a look at their Saturday mornings and see the SEC tailgate party. I hope someone out there (Holmoe, Hill, Young, Samuelsen (sp?)) can get something done. Is it time to go back to the WAC?

  • Should have stayed..
    Jan. 4, 2008 1:30 p.m.

    The MWC should have stayed with look at the mess they are in!

  • insignificant MWC
    Jan. 4, 2008 1:25 p.m.

    Lets Fase it. You can count on what ever happens with whatever comes with CBS, FOX, CSTV, we are not even in the considerations.

  • Holyoake
    Jan. 4, 2008 1:20 p.m.

    By the way I'd say Notre Dame is doing pretty well. They have their own TV contracts, bowl tie-ins, national reptuation, top recruiting classes, attractive scheduling, etc. Sounds pretty good to me.

    Yeah they had a bad football season, but the fact that they didn't win with their talent should be blamed on their coaches, not their status as an independent.

  • Holyoake
    Jan. 4, 2008 1:08 p.m.

    Let me clarify:

    Independent in football. Navy is independent and had its own TV contract and bowl tie-in. Are you saying we can't do the same?

    Other sports to the WAC: They already said they would take us, so theres your BBall tourney guaranty.

    Now means get to work on it now.

  • Nuke COMCAST
    Jan. 4, 2008 12:46 p.m.

    I can see those mushrooms all over the country. Wow, did you see that at South Jordan went up puff - that was our local comcast! You stink too Directv and Dishnet!

  • Optimism
    Jan. 4, 2008 12:38 p.m.

    Hey, maybe something good will come of this debacle. If all else fails maybe the whole MTN deal will fall apart and we'll be able to go back to playing on ESPN (even if it is at wierd times).

  • ks
    Jan. 4, 2008 12:26 p.m.

    Wow! Remember when one of the big selling points was that we were told that the MountainWestCon. was going to be the "FLAGSHIP CONERENCE" for the CSTV! This TV mess is going to finally be the death of this terrible conference. Please BYU and Utah, tell me you are planning for the end.

  • Overreaction
    Jan. 4, 2008 11:34 a.m.

    Wow, your responses are all a bit over the top.

    1. No decisions on the MTN are listed in this article. The MTN is a decent product, albiet flawed in the fact that it spends too much time covering things with no national interest (UNLV vs CSU Women's Volleyball? Seriously?)

    2. Who's to say that Comcast would accept full ownership of the MTN? Knowing that it's losing money, and that they are potentially MORE LIKELY to fail to get satellite distribution with the sale, why would Comcast accept 100% liability?

    3. Alternatively, who's to say that Comcast wouldn't be MORE FREE to deal with the satellites without interference from CSTV? Highly doubtful, maybe, but possible.

    In short, you're all getting your skirts in a bunch over something none of you are informed enough to have a rational opinion regarding. Relax, take a deep breath, and step back from the ledge.

  • Independent?
    Jan. 4, 2008 11:27 a.m.

    There seems to be no good way out. The MWC is a sinking ship; the level of play (in football at least) is considerably worse than it was 8 years ago. Basketball is the same at best. Recruiting is in the dumps (BYU and Utah's football commit rankings are in the 50's; nobody else is even close). In two years we'll be lucky to have any TV coverage at all. Does a 4-1 bowl record help? Not with close wins when we were predicted to go 5-0 against inferior match-ups.

    Such despair leads many to ask for BYU/Utah independence. But that solves nothing: no TV contract, no FB-bowl/BB-tourney guarantees, nobody wants to play us, and being independent in basketball is practically impossible (just ask UVSC).

    Pac-10? Even though I'm a BYU fan, I think they'd take Utah in a heartbeat, but has to take the whole package to keep pairings and get to the magic 12, and BYU's "liabilities" (not Research I, no Sunday play, etc.) kills the deal. But BYU is what it is, and shouldn't change for athletics.

  • RE Holyoake
    Jan. 4, 2008 11:20 a.m.

    In your dreams, look how well Notre Dame is doing, as for prediction came true, our pathetic conference is 4-1 in bowl games and would have probably ended up 5-0 if airforce QB doesn't go down. Who cares what bowl games they are, post season play is post season play. Look how good Oklahoma looks with all thier great appearances in BCS Bowls. Blame the Commissioner and even more so the Athletic Directors of all the schools that allowed this to take place.

  • Holyoake
    Jan. 4, 2008 10:46 a.m.

    Independent, now.

  • prediction came true
    Jan. 4, 2008 10:17 a.m.

    wow what a surprise. the desperate MWC jumped into bed with a high price call girl and got left instead with a ...well you can guess. ESPN is laughing all the way to the bank and now the meaningless joke in all of college football athletics, the MWC, is left alone in the cold with no where to go. what is the plan now? grovel to ESPN? well i stopped my season tickets to BYU cause i am not traveling 3 plus hours to a game that starts on thursday nights at 8 pm or a saturday game that starts at 8 pm.

    thanks to (the worthless, meaningless joke that is) the MWC for proving once again to the entire college sports world how much of a joke our schools are.

  • Homer S.
    Jan. 4, 2008 10:14 a.m.

    I think it would be a good thing if FSN Utah/Rocky Mountain could get the mtn and put it into their channel. That would solve the distribution issue because FSN is on every system. We can only hope this is how it shakes down. Getting rid of the mtn. should be our first priority. Hopefully they can still lose money so it will happen faster.

  • Frank
    Jan. 4, 2008 9:52 a.m.

    I don't know who to hate more, Comcast or Craig Thompson. How long is are contract with the Mtn? I wonder if the Pac 10 is looking for another team?

  • Mikey
    Jan. 4, 2008 9:46 a.m.

    It just keeps getting better doesn't it!!! So what they are saying is CSTV and FSN Rocky Mountain/Utah are going to be sold to Comcast. So basically, subscribe to Comcast or you are screwed forever. National exposure, forget about it. It's a thing of the past for BYU and Utah. Get out of the Mtn. Get out of CSTV. Beg ESPN to take you back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • What a mess!
    Jan. 4, 2008 9:26 a.m.

    It all hurts the student athletes at MWC schools and the fans who want to watch them play.

  • Matt
    Jan. 4, 2008 5:14 a.m.


    Because the DirecTV-Liberty swap of DirecTV and the three FSNs (RM, Pittsburgh, and NW) is being done as a tax-free asset swap, Liberty cannot sell the RSNs for at least two years. I can't find an article stating this, but I know its been repeated several times.