No decision, but 'Giri' talks with O'Connor, Rigby

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  • Anonymous
    Dec. 23, 2007 3:14 a.m.

    "it's not Coach Giricek's club to run." If its Sloan's team if he is making the call, why cannot he take the responsibility after a loss? If his calls are not significant enough to change the result, why not let the players take a little responsibility and let Gira shoot when he thinks he can make it?
    Sloan's attitude of 'its my team' is not a team-player attitude. A good team player would listen other opinions specially when he recipes are bringing disaster. Giricek is always pulled out of a game when he is playing good. [kept in the game when he is not]
    "Good luck finding another team who will pay the $$ he wants."
    Other teams are already interested.
    "I'm guessing he's going to pull an AK & rediscover his love for Utah Jazz"
    AK did not rediscover his love for Jazz. Jazz rediscovered love for Jazz when they saw other teams are interested. I doubt he wants to play for Jazz. He would be a beast in any other team. I want AK to be traded to another team and reach his potential. I want to see good basketball a good thinking coach with new ideas...

  • Navyair
    Dec. 23, 2007 12:11 a.m.

    Interesting Posts: Sloan can be too critical at times, but between Gira and AK47 he has players who are talented but flawed. Gira can shoot, and last year at times it looked like he was trying to defend, that was the best Gira has looked. His problem is that he is not a smart player, he has never learned not to try that little head-fake drive, it results in a travel/turnover at least once every game. If he is going to be a shooter, he needs to just take the shot when he is open. He grew up being a scorer, and cannot stop trying those poor percentage floaters and runners. Too old now to change.

    AK47 is similar, a great talent in many ways, but takes too many chances with the ball, since he likes showy passes, but way too many turnovers, and I have never seen a 6-9 player who can jump who gets stripped or misses so many shots within 5 feet of the rim. He is a terrible finisher unless he has a clean dunk.

    Bottow line: both players are veterans, they should play smarter, but are unlikely to change. They are who they are.

  • parkcity
    Dec. 22, 2007 10:03 p.m.

    FACT: gira isn't the best shooter on the jazz, isn't the best pure shooter, isn't the best outside shooter. he is a good mid range shooter, he would do fine shooting off the curls like harpring always does. you just assume he is a great 3 point shooter because 1. thats all he does and 2. he's a white european. total liability on defense, can't take anyone to the hole to save his life, shoots or travels every time he gets a touch. cut him off and move on, did fine without him last night, and now tonight cj miles gets a career high.

  • Jazzsmack
    Dec. 22, 2007 3:53 p.m.

    Isn't jerry sloan a millionaire too???

    I guess the only difference is: he is the crybaby dictator for life, that no one can question.

    The cry-baby that miller is blindly loyal too.

    ON that samee show miller also said he doesn't watch the road games. how does he really know hat is going on?

    He gets all his information ONE-SIDED from the coaches and management. No a very well rounded view for an owner to have.

  • Earth to j.c and jm
    Dec. 22, 2007 3:22 p.m.

    You too make me sick Gira is not the purest shooter on the Jazz. Didn't you read the story about a guy named MORRIS ALOMND he scored 50 points. Gira has never Scored near that even in croatia. You too need to come back to reality. Jazz fans everywher want rid of Gira. He stinks, He is a cancer. There is a new 2 guard in town and he is a scoring Nut(Almond). He basically said O'connor, Sloan trade Gira. I can shoot and make good B-ball choices play me not Gira. His defense well its like boozers, but thats what Brewdog, Ak, Harp, Milly, and J.C are for.

  • JM
    Dec. 22, 2007 2:14 p.m.

    Enough bickering. Fact: Gira is one of the best pure shooters on the team. Fact: when Gira was in the rotation, we were wining. Fact: Gira is out and the Jazz are down. I wonder if Jerry has ever heard the term, "Lighten up Francis". Team sports is a give and take for players and coaches. I don't want to see either Sloan or Gira have to go anywhere. Real men can talk their way through problems and agree to disagree and move on. We do it in marriages and we need to do it in sports. I'm tired of losing, refer to Fact 2.

  • Former Ute
    Dec. 22, 2007 11:30 a.m.

    I don't watch all the Jazz games, but I watch a lot and I've never seen Gordon play well enough to make a difference in a game. His shooting is spotty at best, his defense is no better than I could play (and I'm 58 years old) and he never seems to be part of the team on the floor. Sure, Jerry Sloan is not very flexible, but I still appreciate a coach who demands hard work from spoiled millionaires who have signed contracts to work. Fire Jerry? So who do you get next? Isiah Thomas? What quality coach would be willing to come to Utah? Jerry Sloan should stay in Utah until he's in the Hall of Fame.

  • Jazzed
    Dec. 22, 2007 11:14 a.m.

    Forget all this trivial mess, Fess and Almond to the rescue, minus Gira and Collins will do just fine. Jerry will be gone before he can messs them up.Phoenix will take Gira in a heartbeat for a draft choice or possibly one of their rookies, I just don't think either rookie is needed, and we certainly don't want Banks.

  • Get Real
    Dec. 22, 2007 11:08 a.m.

    The Jazz knew what kind of player Giri was when they traded for him, a good outside shooter, thats what they needed. They bring him in and punish him for being what he is. I think it would probably be in the best intrest of both the Jazz and Giri to trade him.

  • Jazz Fan
    Dec. 22, 2007 10:22 a.m.

    I say "fire Sloan". He has a mean attitude and his language is disgusting. I would not play basketball for Sloan for a million bucks. What he did to Gira at the Charlotte game was irresponsible. Sloan's signing up for another year was hard to take...Get a new coach!

  • Growed Up
    Dec. 22, 2007 9:59 a.m.

    Sounds like from what Miller said about Giri, he'll never learn to play in a structured system. I say "never" because he's had plenty of years to adjust, and hasn't yet.

    Giri will only do well on a team that isn't so structured, one that likes to let 3-pointers fly and one where they like to let their shooters camp out there until the defender forgets about'em.

    Because Sloan's never really believed in the 3-pointer (shooting or defending them), Giri has no chance of succeeding on this team.

    Good luck, Giri, wherever you go.

  • Any trade is good
    Dec. 22, 2007 9:31 a.m.

    Any trade of Gordan away from the Jazz is a good trade to make. He is team cancer, and besides that, he's walking away from the Jazz at the end of the season. Better to get something rather than nothing for him.

    Jazz brass need to carefully evaluate this situation and think about doing something to make the team better now. If the Jazz are getting any offers at all, they should seriously consider them.

  • jim b cedar city
    Dec. 22, 2007 9:24 a.m.

    Let's see...Geri likes to get open for a shot while the other team is one on one. Hmmm...Boozer likes to play soft defense so he can have energy to score on offense. What's wrong with this picture.

  • Tigre
    Dec. 22, 2007 9:05 a.m.

    Thanks Rock!

  • KM
    Dec. 22, 2007 8:59 a.m.

    If Giricek doesn't know his role after three plus years, he's not going to. The good thing is that Almond is getting great experience down in the D-League. Miles is also getting some playing time.

    The Jazz need to part ways with Giricek now rather than later. Giricek is not going to rediscover his love for Utah like AK because he's been at such odds with the coaching staff. We need someone who accepts the role player role. That's interesting that Phil Johnson thinks Gira is the most talented player on the team.

    We need a shot-blocking three like Gerald Wallace, but not as developed. By the end of season, Giri will be gone and Almond will play a role off the bench. You heard it here first.

  • Time to go
    Dec. 22, 2007 8:59 a.m.

    Sloan was a good coach, but the game past him by 10 years ago. Hey Sloan there is something out there called a three point line, maybe you should try and guard it once in a while. Maybe putting some plays in your offense that breaks down the zone defense might help too. The NBA allows a zone defense now, not sure that you knew that. Time to retire.

  • Jimmy's Sneakers
    Dec. 22, 2007 8:22 a.m.

    Jimmy's solution:

    Gordan Giricek $4,000,000
    Jarron Collins $2,350,000
    Jason Hart $2,300,000
    1st round pick (or Knicks future 1st-rounder)

    to TWolves

    Marko Jaric $6,050,00 (+21.3 million thru 2010/11); and
    Mark Madsen $2,420,000 (+5.47 million thru 2009/10)
    or Michael Doleac $3,120,000

    This trade gives us a better backup PG/SG as Marko can play both. He is highly overpaid for the next 3-years but that is the reason the TWolves would want to trade him, since they are in cost-cutting mode. Please don't tell Jimmy that the TWolves would not want Giri, becuse I know that to be true, they just want his expiring contract like they wanted Theo Ratliffs expiring contract plus a draft pick that will help them rebuild. Fisher's buyout gives the Jazz the flexibility to add Marko's contract and still be able to extend Williams and Millsap in the coming years.

    We would also get a better post man to replace Collins as either Madsen (energy) or Doleac (15 foot jumper) bring more to the table than Collins does. If we needed to we could contribute $3 mill in cash to help buyout the $4.5 million combined owed to Hart and Collins next season.

  • please
    Dec. 22, 2007 8:19 a.m.

    oh please you are begging for another 20 years of mediocrity. after years of abuse you would have said something in return regardless of how much you get paid. and if that is the case you are playing the game solely for the love of money and not for the game. get real. go giri!

  • Gira Backer
    Dec. 22, 2007 6:49 a.m.

    I think the Jazz's record speaks for itself when Gira gets playing time. The losing slide started when Gira was benched. When he got some playing time during the slide, his confidence was gone and he was not the same player as earlier in the season.

    He started off the year deadly with his shot, and hustling on defense. I have not even read in the papers that Gira has made some outlandish selfish comments since the benching, but Sloans comments when he sent him to the bench shows once and again who the real adult is. Once again Sloan does not know how to handle players.

  • MATT
    Dec. 22, 2007 3:43 a.m.

    Sloan backer is exactly correct. In fact it echoes my sentiments exactly, just in a way more effective than i would have written it.

  • J.C.
    Dec. 22, 2007 1:24 a.m.

    I think Gira is the best outside shooter the Jazz have. I feel Jerry needs to get off of his back. Jerry to me is messing up team chemistry with his attitude towards Gira. Of course injuries also are a big part of that. But, from what i see Gira plays hard just as much as everyone else. There is something more to this than we the public know. If it's an X's and O's thing Gira is not doing then i guess he needs to learn to listen but otherwise he plays hard and can help the team with some outside shooting that they desperately need.

  • Sloan Backer
    Dec. 22, 2007 12:42 a.m.

    Gira's gettin paid, let him learn to know his role & shut his mouth. This is the NBA not high school. If Coach tells him to whistle before every shot, he better learn the right key! Otherwise he can join the ranks of those who get paid to watch a game & have awesome seats & free drinks. Not a bad gig if you can get it. I'm sick of hearing about crybaby millionaires who want to reinvent the team to their liking. Last time I checked, it's not Coach Giricek's club to run. Good luck finding another team who will pay the $$ he wants. I'm guessing he's going to pull an AK & rediscover his love for Utah Jazz Basketball or he's headed back to Croatia & the lucrative deals they can does a condo next to Milosovic sound?