Cougars left scrambling for 2008 opponent

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  • Oh how Quickly
    Nov. 30, 2007 2:43 p.m.

    How come none of you BYU fans can remember when you backed out of a Football game in Logan four years ago? OH ya, because you can only see one side of everything... this is part of College Football. I'm just wondering why you all complain about playing an easier schedule next year than you did this year. Give me a break... if you played in a decent conference you would be a middle of the road program at best.

  • l
    Nov. 30, 2007 2:32 p.m.

    What if all the conferences were put in order based on Sagarin or a similar ranking system, then each year the top team from one conference would trade places with the last place team from the next conference. The BCS conferences would get all the best teams, as everyone would have a chance to filter their way up into them, so it would actually make sense to tie the big-money bowls to them.

    USU's last two games against NM and Idaho would have been very meaningful, since we'd be playing for who would get knocked down to the MAC. This year, Idaho would trade places with Bowling Green or CMU. Hawaii would replace UNLV in the WAC. BYU would trade places with Wisconsin in the Big Ten.

    There would be issues with losing local rivalries and extended travel if most of the conference was far away, plus schedules couldn't be made as far in advance, so there are some things to work out. But don't tell me the current system is anywhere close to perfect.

  • Edward
    Nov. 30, 2007 10:39 a.m.

    I agree with SS that Bronco's statement about scheduling "weaker" teams was obviously sarcastic.
    I'm not to sure about the effect of T.V., regarding Nevada, and the lack of coverage we get in this conference but can't feel that "any" team that comes to Provo is happy just being seen in a few neighborhoods. The Mtn. T.V. coverage is the real joke here followed by the conference school President's support of an obviously incompetent commissioner.

  • Bob
    Nov. 30, 2007 8:43 a.m.

    Nevada would probably play at home and be seen nationally on ESPN, instead of playing in Provo and only seen in a few Wasatch front homes. MWC teams always rated higher when they reguarly appeared on ESPN or ESPN2. The higher rankings of Boise State and Hawaii can be attribted to being seen nationally on a regular babsi.

  • Nevada Alumnus
    Nov. 29, 2007 11:13 p.m.

    How far has the once proud program stumbled when youre being stiffed by Nevada?

    This would have been a coveted game, oh say ten or twelve years ago. BYU is at best only a regionally recognized name.

    Nevada had Nebraska this year and will have Notre Dame, Missouri, Florida State and other national notables in the next few years to help bring the program into the national stage.

    This should be telling of the perception of the Mountain West and the program in Provo when you are snubbed for Grambling.

  • SS
    Nov. 29, 2007 10:34 p.m.

    Reading comprehension, people.

    The author was clearly presenting the point of view that Nevada's breach of contract was made in favor of an easier schedule (whether or not that is true, I can't say, but that was the point of the article).

    And P.S., it seemed pretty obvious to me - again by the author's context clues - that Bronco's statement about finding an easier schedule was sarcastic.

  • manly
    Nov. 29, 2007 9:07 p.m.


    I just moved to Florida and stopped in three other states on the way. Found Versus in evey single city.

    Actually, Versus is really big out here in the South. I watched the BYU-TCU game in Atlanta and watched the BYU-UTAH game in Miami. They get it here on their regular channels. What they don't get is cstv or the Mountain. CSTV is in the premium packages.

    So as a conference, we actually get far more exposure and games than with ESPN, it's just not the quality of the Big Broadcast GIANT.

    However, mark my words, Versus will be on ESPN's level in 5-7years and you'll see alot more PAC 10, BIG 12 games and even some SEC games coming into the mix since CBS is involved. The poor MWC will theen be on the bottom of the totem pole again.

    The`real problem is taking away the local FREE package away from the local viewers or watching EVERY single game on the schedule.

  • CougarBlue
    Nov. 29, 2007 7:57 p.m.

    You thing Bronco will break for UCLA, gimme a break. There were schools offering Edwards big bucks and even one or two NFL teams. He knew the value of working at the Y and stayed. I see that in Bronco also. This is a unique place to work.

    I believe his salary with school payments and supporters is close to $1 million dollars. I don't see Bronco as an Urban Meyers, here for a year or two and outa here. I think he wants to finish what he has started.

    His firesides tell me a lot about the other side of Bronco and that would not take place at other schools.

    As far as the PAC 10, forget it. It ain't going to happen. Lived in Southern CA for e35 years and the PAC 10 said they have never ever considered expanding to include BYU or Utah.

    Live in reality, not a dream world.

  • Little food for thought
    Nov. 29, 2007 6:31 p.m.

    Weber State plays Hawaii and Utah next year.

  • Who to schedule
    Nov. 29, 2007 3:17 p.m.

    BYU already has Washington in Seattle next year. It is a rough place to play even if the Huskies aren't exactly the Washington Huskies.

    UCLA at home is also on the schedule.

    Wyoming, New Mexico, UNLV and SDSU will be the conference home games.

    And oh, yea. BYU already has a cupcake on the schedule...Utah State in Logan.

    Someone like Florida will not come to Provo for one game only. They don't have to.

    Florida State is scheduled to come to Provo in 2010 and may be willing to move the date ahead a couple of years, but Bowden will not want to come to Provo when he is rebuilding and BYU is stacked--which will be the case next year.

    Realistically, this hole will be filled by a lower-level MAC school or a CFS school looking for a big pay-day.

  • RE: Give me a break / CTR
    Nov. 29, 2007 2:28 p.m.

    Why would BYU stoop to Utah's level and schedule a cupcake team? Weber State? Give me a break !!...

  • Whoa Nellie
    Nov. 29, 2007 2:27 p.m.

    It sounds like Grambling State might have flexible travel plans for August 30, 2008. If Nevada can schedule them for that date why can't BYU schedule them for a few dollars more? After all, it's just a business deal.

  • RE: News Flash
    Nov. 29, 2007 2:13 p.m.

    Do you think people out here in Gods country care what goes on east of the Mississippi? Seriously, we who live out here on the West absolutely LOVE it and are very proud of the way football is played out here. We watch are fair share of games and realize that the better teams out here can and would compete favorably with those teams out there. The only reason we talk about you poor soles east of the Mississippi is because of the media bias towards the east coast and because the media pretty much shoves it down our throats.

  • It's something more
    Nov. 29, 2007 2:11 p.m.

    Yeah Hawaii has any easy schedule. But they NEVER lost. Going undefeated has as much to do with conquering yourself as it does with your competition.
    In my opinion LSU is the best and most tallented team in the nation, but they lost twice to teams that they shouldn't have. You can't argue with NO losses.
    Even if BYU schedules cupcakes, does this put them in the BCS automatically? NO, they still have win all their games.
    So I say, go for it Bronco. Schedule those awfull Aggies up north, Idaho state, and Snow college. Does UVSC have a team? Heck, play Timpview high. But don't cry when for some reason your players choke on a cupcake game and you lose. (Of course this would only happen as punishment from the Lord because your players weren't living right.)

    Going undefeated gives Hawaii a BCS berth. Reguardless of the team played.

  • Re:Give me a Break / CTR
    Nov. 29, 2007 1:41 p.m.

    Whose holding their own against BCS teams, take a look at the facts.
    BYU under Bronco 2 wins / 6 losses.
    UofU during the same time 4 wins and 3 losses.
    Go ahead schedule a cupcake it may be your only chance to start the season with a W.
    Choose The Red-

  • Ufan
    Nov. 29, 2007 1:26 p.m.

    Utah was faced with the same dilema as BYU earlier this year, and we scheduled Michigan with the open date. As a fan I am excited!! It can only help the conference if we show well. Respect has to earned.

  • Smith
    Nov. 29, 2007 12:59 p.m.

    -Mike in Austin-
    Maybe BYU should try an on-side kick.

  • Re: Re: News Flash
    Nov. 29, 2007 12:49 p.m.

    I have been out. I grew up watching WAC/MWC football. I will always follow it, but it took one game in the Horseshoe (OSU's stadium) for me to realize why no one cares about the MWC. People in the East see no difference between the WAC and MWC. They can name Utah and BSU because they broke into their BCS party. Outside of that it means nothing to them. It doesn't matter who would be mid-tier or first-tier in the MWC, because no one outside of the Intermountain West cares. Last Saturday's game is a pefect example. Two teams playing poorly on the worst tv station in the world. It seriously looked like high school kids put together the broadcasting and camera work.

  • Anonymous
    Nov. 29, 2007 12:38 p.m.

    BYU just needs to win with the schedule they have.

  • T-Rex
    Nov. 29, 2007 12:31 p.m.

    Schedule a tough opponent and beat them. That's the MWC's BCS ticket. Once Hawaii gets crushed in a BCS bowl game all the legitimacy Utah and Boise State earned for the MWC and WAC will be gone.

  • SeattleCougarBlue
    Nov. 29, 2007 12:23 p.m.

    UCLA! when you bash the bruins, you aren't doing the cougars any favors. Have cougar fans forgotten that the cougars lost to UCLA?? Until the cougars beat them badly and repeatedly the bruins are a quality opponent. UCLA is once again playing this weekend to keep the trojans out of the Rose Bowl. Any opponent from the top half of the PAC-10 is a benefit to the Cougars schedule. Just be thankful they don't have a schedule like the Huskies of Washington... Ohio State, Boise St., Syracuse and the PAC-10 schedule. Next year's schedule for the Huskies includes BYU, Oklahoma, and Notre Dame.

    I have no complaints about BYU's BCS opponents. However, I would love to see the non-bcs teams be the likes of Boise St., Hawaii, or other strong teams from the WAC. You can also throw in Notre Dame and Navy. We could maybe trade on of the PAC-10 opponents each year for a BCS team in the East... the cougars have done that before with teams like Boston College, Georgia Tech, Virginia.

  • its gonna be hard
    Nov. 29, 2007 11:37 a.m.

    well it is going to be hard to find someone who will play in Provo. no one wants to play there. plus whoever ends up playing us will want us to go there first. alot of teams don't realize how good the cougars are when they are clicking. have you looked at who people think BYU will play in Vegas if the don't get a BCS bid? UCLA! playing them twice in one year and again next year? if they were at all any good then it would be worth it but they aren't playing well at all. they haven't played well since losing to UTAH. i say if we try to get pac 10 school we get USC or one of the top teams there that would help us with getting a BCS bid next year.

  • cougarfan
    Nov. 29, 2007 11:10 a.m.

    I cant beleive everyone just doesn't get it. You all say that Hawaii doesn't play anyone good on the road. They we supposed to either open the season at USC or Michigan, ESPN wanted them to play at Michigan for television purposes, Michigan backed out and left Hawaii high and dry, by the time Hawaii knew this USC had already scheduled Idaho. Michigan State also pulled out of a game sheduled in Hawaii, therefore making Hawaii schedule 2 DII schools. All three "Powerhouse teams" didn't want anything to do with Hawaii. It worked out well for Michigan though, scheduling App State instead. So stop refering to Hawaii as if they purposely made their schedule soft, it came down to other top 10 teams being to scared to play them. I agree with whoever said that all 3 (if hawaii does) teams that cracked the BCS had something in common. They all ended the previous season ranked and returned the majority of their good players. This really makes it look good for BYU next year. If they win out they will be ranked to start the 2008 season and if they win, they will crack the BCS.

  • Re: News Flash
    Nov. 29, 2007 10:53 a.m.

    News Flash should get out more. Maybe even talk to people on both sides of the Mississippi before making silly comments. Of course most Easten college football fans view both the WAC and MWC as beneath the ACC, Big East, Big Ten... but even casual eastern college football fans are 1) aware of the difference between the WAC and MWC (even though these games are never on TV in the East) and 2) know the MWC conference was formed from old members of the WAC and is generally thought of as a superior conference. Most seasons Hawaii and Fresno St. would be mid-tier MWC teams, and Boise St. would be a first tier MWC team; but the rest of the WAC is trash and would be at the bottom of the MWC. To say an Eastern college football fan doesn't know the difference is silly. We may not care, and both conferences are largely irrelevent, but why wouldn't we know the difference?

  • ogmson
    Nov. 29, 2007 10:15 a.m.

    I love the idea of scheduling Utah an extra game next year....the record at the end of 2008 would then be 4-0 over the last four games against the Yewts, instead of just 3-0!

    The travesty in College football is that ANY team has the right to bow out of a game and not keep a schedule. They just have to pay for it. Obviously conference games are required to be made up. (i.e. SDSU) It would be a great time to go to Notre Dame and try and move up the home and home schedule to start again in 08. Also, for those who have shorter memories, Bobby Bowden said he for the operative word..."Never come to Provo". I can't imagine anything has changed in five years, unless FSU gets a new head coach....
    Weber might be a good choice...the yewts have them scheduled for next year...maybe they know something BYU doesn't?? Although, I don't think BYU needs the additional 1500 fans WSU would bring like the Yewts would need them. Let's see, 1500 added to 19000 fans at RES would take them over 20,000 fans! Now I know why they were scheduled!

  • Coug Fan from Idaho...
    Nov. 29, 2007 10:05 a.m.

    Next Year BYU has a very good chance of winning against UCLA at Home, on the road against an average Washington team, and then a cupcake game against Utah State, and for sure cup cake game against whoever we play for the first game of the season. The only thing I'm worried about for next year is Robert Anae, as our offensive coordinator. He is the WORST! His play calling against Utah cost us three touchdowns. I've never seen a coach so pass happy. I thought when a team can't stop what you do you keep doing it until they prove they can stop you. That was the case with our running game. Utah was gashed all day by our running game, yet Anae just had to keep flinging that football around the field. So as long as Anae is BYU's offensive coordinator, BYU will lose one to two games each year because of shoddy play calling. Show some common sense ANAE!!!!

  • News Flash
    Nov. 29, 2007 10:04 a.m.

    The football world that matters (East of the Mississippi) considers the WAC and MWC to be interchangeable, that is assuming they have ever heard of either conference. People know about the Utes due to basketball success and breaking the BCS. Ninety nine percent know nothing about the Cougars or any of the other teams in the MWC. Boise State is well respected due to winning a BCS game. Outside of Boise State people know nothing about the WAC.

  • Hawaii Disaster
    Nov. 29, 2007 10:00 a.m.

    Hawaii will get the WAC's 2nd win against a BCS opponent against Washington this Saturday. Then what?

    Utah and Boise State both made a statement for non-BCS conferences by winning their break-through games. That was big for those who hate the BCS monopoly and gave us fuel for our arguments that the BCS was nonsense.

    Hawaii? One of the worst road teams ever. Gets overtime wins on the road against San Jose State, Lousiana Tech, and squeaks out at Nevada. They whine about why teams won't go to Hawaii but fail to schedule anything outside of the WAC on the road. Is theirs really a forumla for BCS success? Do they really belong?

    They have absolutely no hope against LSU in the Sugar Bowl. An LSU drubbing will be the worst thing that can happen for non-BCS schools and could tighten the "strength of schedule" formula in coming years.

    I don't think dumbing down your schedule following the Hawaii way will pay off over the long haul. It is not just a matter of getting there, you want to look like you belong when you arrive....

  • Congrats (a Utes Fan)
    Nov. 29, 2007 9:31 a.m.

    How does a scheduling story turn into banter between Utah and BYU fans? As a Utes fan my opnion is the Cougs should put a weak team in. If you look at the three teams that have busted into the BCS they all had one thing in common. The year before they ended with a high ranking. If BYU can win their bowl game they will probably be a top 20 or 15 team. Then next year with the returning players they should start in the top 20. The Utes did that and so did BSU and HI. I would love for BYU to be in the running for a BCS game. Imagine if Utah and BYU both broke into the BCS within 5 years. Maybe we could push our way into the PAC 10.

  • Nate
    Nov. 29, 2007 9:16 a.m.

    Why would Nevada be afraid of BYU? They are playing @ Moussori, @ UNLV, vs. Texas Tech and vs. Grambling State. The reason why they dropped BYU was probably, because of the fact that they would have 3 away games and 1 home game. That makes it difficult for any team and their fans. Their fans want to see games at home. If you have no respect for the WAC or their teams, then what are you complaining about? BYU is a bunch of whining mormons. How does it feel being stiffed? The whole MWC stiffed the WAC back in the day just to from the MWC.

  • #1cougfan
    Nov. 29, 2007 9:04 a.m.

    BYU is scheduled to play FSU in the next few years anyways. why don't we just bump it up a year. I think we need to play teams from the east of we want BCS attention. Even if it is a lower team from a BCS conference. I hope that BYU and UTAH can make it into the BCS bust every year and have the rivalry game actually mean something every year. Like a conference championship.

  • observations
    Nov. 29, 2007 8:45 a.m.

    Interesting how BYU wasn't chicken when they refused to play USU in Logan but now Nevada is chicken.

    I am always told that USU is so much below BYU that BYU fans don't even think about USU. This situation has nothing to do with USU but USU keeps being mentioned here.

    All of these types of contract come with buy out clauses. Nevada will have to pay the buyout. This kind of stuff happens all the time. Last year BYU bought out USU's contract with Oregon so that USU would play in Provo. That put Oregon in the same situation. BYU didn't have a problem with it then.

    Hawaii did have Michigan and Michigan State on their schedule but they backed out just like Nevada just did. So to assume that they went out of their way to have an easy schedule is a completely false assumption. But I wouldn't expect anything different.

  • Utes
    Nov. 29, 2007 8:02 a.m.

    Hey, open against Utah.

    Make it a home and away freeway series.

    That way Utah would have two shots at a win, and two BYU bowls.

    Unga would be guaranteed two games next year with big numbers.

  • Michigan Cougar Fan
    Nov. 29, 2007 7:51 a.m.

    A couple of thoughts. First, no one east of the Mississippi ever talks about BYU. Second, if you play more teams from the ACC, Big East, or SEC, they might start. Third, higher quality opponents will not only help your BCS aspirations, but will also help recruiting (good players want to play good teams). Ultimately, the only way to build a major football program is by playing the best teams. Every Mountain West program should schedule as many non-conference games as possible with BCS schools with good programs.

  • Greg
    Nov. 29, 2007 7:34 a.m.

    It sounds like Nevada does not want any part of the "Provo Blue Magic"?

  • Tmoney
    Nov. 29, 2007 7:29 a.m.

    Nevada is irrelevant for the most part what bothers me is that BYU schedules all of their BCS opponents against the Pac-10. UCLA and Washington in the same season, UCLA and Arizona this year. I cant remember the last time they played a Big 12 team in a non bowl game. I tired of always seeing Pac-10 on our schedule

  • wsl
    Nov. 29, 2007 6:55 a.m.

    According to a release by University of Nevada, they asked out of the game with BYU over a year ago. How is it that BYU is just now realizing it?

  • Need playoffs or bust
    Nov. 29, 2007 6:43 a.m.

    Shoot yeah, Hawaii deserves to be in BCS, I mean look at all the high quality wins from the WAC this year. Hmmm... well maybe not, does it count for anything if the 2nd place WAC team Boise St. lost to the last place PAC 10 team (Washington)?

    Who knows, Hawaii may be deserving, and I hope they win their BCS game, assuming they beat Washington.

    The big eye sore on BYU's loss column is Tulsa, to me that does not qualify them for a BCS game. I think any at-large should go to either Florida or Kansas.

  • Mike in Austin
    Nov. 29, 2007 6:20 a.m.

    A note on BYU and so-called "class"...

    How many here are willing to take the bet that, despite the score, BYU will keep Unga in the game until he breaks the freshman rushing record?

    I'd say that odds are 2-1

  • Play Quality Schools
    Nov. 29, 2007 4:33 a.m.

    The only way the Cougars and the MWC to gain national respect is to play and beat BCS schools. Period. If Nevada's too scared, bring on Florida State or whoever. Win or lose, at least BYU's played a quality opponent.

    Did I read Bronco right that he might go along with playing cupcakes? I guess the man isn't perfect after all. I DISAGREE COMPLETELY. The main appeal of BYU sports is trying to become visible nationally and showing the Cougars can *compete* with the best. Not always gonna win... but it's never been all about that.

    Pollsters aren't impressed with cupcakes, and even IF the Cougs SOMEHOW cupcaked their way into a BCS game, who wants to see them blown out 84-7? I don't! Hawaii will choke in a BCS bowl. Horrible road team + few quality opponents + ramped-up competition = DISASTER.

    If BYU's going to *say* they'll play the game the right way, for heck's sakes, *really* play it the right way. SCHEDULE QUALITY. But if Bronco *really* wants only 25,000 in LES for a thrilling 2012 home opener, BYU vs. North Dakota State, that's his choice. He has his free agency. I have mine.

  • SJ Bobkins
    Nov. 29, 2007 2:39 a.m.

    Recall that a Crowton coached Cougar team already completed BYU's part of the home and home agreement by playing, and getting upset in Reno. I hope Nevada has to pay a fortune to find BYU another home game. They got their win and recognition for beating BYU now they cover with the thought of becoming an opening weekend meal for the Cougs.
    Fans don't mind seeing BYU losing a competitive game to a highly regarded team, as long as it's respectable, but to play any more body bag games with Div 1-AA competitors (including in reality, Utah State) creates a big snore and apathy. We have the Eastern Wash and Eastern Illinois games as evidence.
    Other MWC teams are at a different point, where a win means more than seeing a good game between decent teams. BYU needs to keep climbing, not sinking down to a less competitive level. Everyone knows what Hawaii does, it's no secret.
    BYU Football isn't a charity to help USU stay in Div 1-A, by increasing their home attendance, 10,732 for 2007, 107th in the NCAA Div 1-A, far below the required 15,000.

  • SammFan
    Nov. 29, 2007 1:23 a.m.

    They HAVE to schedule up! They owe us big time.

    If they play teams from BCS conferences - and more importantly - with better TV deals, we have a shot at seeing the games on Nat'l or even Regional TV!

  • SeattleCougarBlue
    Nov. 29, 2007 12:49 a.m.

    Living right! That was one awesome crack in response to Collie's comments... gotta admit, you had me ROFL! As far as nevada not honoring their contract no big deal for BYU. I would just as soon see the cougars play a BCS opponent anyway. In fact, if WAC teams have found the formula for high rankings and BCS bowl games by playing weak opponents, then BYU should drop Utah State and force Nevada to play USU twice next year! That should be weak enough to impress the WAC brass! The only WAC schools that are worthy to be on the schedule with the cougars are Boise St., Hawaii, and possibly Fresno St. In fact MWC... invite Boise St. to join the MWC and let the other WAC schools play Grambling instead of Boise St. That would make more sense based on their "formula."

    I would just send a letter to Nevada thanking them for the favor even though it was a classless act. Then I would send a letter to the other MWC schools encouraging then not to ever schedule Nevada as a non-conference opponent. Let them fill their schedule with Grambling, Eastern WA, UVSC, and Elko high school.

  • AK Cougar
    Nov. 29, 2007 12:27 a.m.

    Next years Great Alaska Shootout had a dropout team. Teams post a $50,000 bond to get in the tourny. The UAA AD says next year maybe he'll collect a $100,000. bond. Maybe BYU needs to collect a no show bond something like $500,000 to $1,000,000 when they schedule these non conference teams. This could put some serious financial obligations to keep their word whether written or not.

  • Reality Check
    Nov. 29, 2007 12:20 a.m.

    Washington will beat Hawaii and pop that bubble they are living in.

  • Worthy
    Nov. 29, 2007 12:16 a.m.

    You know, when you are living life right on and off the field the Lord will step in and play a part. Don't worry he'll bless your program to find a quality opponent to make your BCS hopes great and thus bring glory to the Church through it. Just keep the faith. Go Cougs!

  • BCS record
    Nov. 29, 2007 12:08 a.m.

    Actually, the WAC is 1-14 against BCS schools. Fresno State beat Kansas State last week.

  • Bronco Staying
    Nov. 29, 2007 12:05 a.m.

    Bronco was asked if he would leave by channel 2, and he said basically he would stay as long as he is wanted, and he looks at as something beyond football and has to do with his faith and his family (i'll leave it at that). bronco isn't going anywhere

  • good riddance
    Nov. 28, 2007 11:53 p.m.

    Let's get a non conf schedule that helps our exposure and recruiting. Play someone from a major conference, especially in the PAC 10 where we recruit heavily and can get a big fan base out to the game. Our kids in CA and AZ rarely get to see BYU play. East Coast appearances are also too rare. BYU is already on the verge of disappearing with the poor TV deal. I went there in the days of McMahon, Young and Bosco. I can't believe 25 years later we are still struggling to improve the quality of this program. We should NEVER EVER consider a WAC team on our schedule...

    You are only as good as your competition...

  • -Living right-
    Nov. 28, 2007 11:28 p.m.

    I'd have to agree with you... someone isn't living the way they should. I guess that is why the U of U is so blessed. this has never happened to them before.

  • Band?
    Nov. 28, 2007 11:24 p.m.

    Did they really note the band in that announcement? Geez

    Pretty classless that they didn't even mention dropping BYU or their contractual obligation they are ignoring.

    BYU should charge Nevada the cost of a sell out at LES. 65k seats at an average of $50 per seat. A three million dollar invoice might be just the wakeup call they need to honor their contract.

    At the very least they should call it a forefit and take the win.
    Don't expect BYU to play the Wolfpack ever again.

  • RE: Bronco leaving?
    Nov. 28, 2007 11:19 p.m.

    I heard the same thing.
    No question Bronco's stock is rising and schools with $$ will be calling.
    Bronco's days at BYU are extremely numbered.
    BYU needs to have a plan for when this happens. The bidding war for Kryal Wittingham was embarassing.

    I say good for Bronco.

  • Las Vegas Katbacker
    Nov. 28, 2007 11:13 p.m.

    Hawaii didn't ask for their schedule. Michigan and Michigan State bought out their play contracts with them. No big school wants to go to Hawaii. They are going with what they can get. They still were looking for a game to finalize the schedule in March (5 months before kickoff).

  • Living right
    Nov. 28, 2007 11:03 p.m.

    If the people who schedule these games were living right, this wouldn't happen.

  • Woo hoo!! Bring on FSU!
    Nov. 28, 2007 11:01 p.m.

    Love to see Bobby and the boys come to Provo.

    Torn between a softer schedule that would allow us to go 3-0, but surely no one could criticize our SOS playing UCLA, Washington, and FSU in one season.

  • Bronco Leaving?
    Nov. 28, 2007 10:57 p.m.

    I just got back from Southern California. A local sports channel mentioned UCLA will fire their coach after their upcoming loss to USC this saturday. Bronco Mendenhall was mentioned as a possible candidate to replace him. I don't know if it is being mentioned in the local media here. I know Bronco likes it here but UCLA could pay three times more than BYU plus the nice weather and recruiting pool would be awesome. Any truth to the news?

  • New horn section
    Nov. 28, 2007 10:36 p.m.

    Sounds to me like BYU just needs to get a better band.

  • just me
    Nov. 28, 2007 10:24 p.m.

    The reason Hawaii is ranked high is because of their quarterback who is breaking Ty Detmer's records. That is where the interest is not their schedule.

  • Re: Exclude the BCS
    Nov. 28, 2007 10:14 p.m.

    I like the idea of excluding BCS schools, lol. Your scenario reminded me of the people that hang out at a popular night club, hopping the bouncers will let them in. Of course its all based on attractiveness. The Big East is filled with former mid-major teams that the BCS allowed into their dance. Those teams are still the same caliber, but now they hang with the more popular crowd. The rest of the teams (mid-majors) sit outside pathetically hopping to be included. Why they just don't leave the dance line, and go hold your own dance. When you no longer have people clamoring to get into the popular night club, it loses much of its appeal.

  • Exclude the BCS
    Nov. 28, 2007 9:58 p.m.

    The 5 non-bcs conferences should join ranks and exclude the bcs teams from competition. Don't schedule them for any games, and at the end of the season, the 5 non-bcs conferences should stage their own playoff system for a national champion. Move forward without them.

    Trying to compete with the bcs, is like tying to hangout and win the admiration of the popular crowd when your a nerd. It's pathetic the way non-bcs schools kiss the butts of the bcs. I'd say, go your own way and develop a better mouse-trap.

  • So What!!!
    Nov. 28, 2007 9:56 p.m.

    BYU chokes at least two OOC games every year. Nevada backing out just saved BYU that one extra Tulsa like choke. Get a gimme game like Eastern Washington, can't hurt, just look at Hawaii.

  • BSC is Antiquated
    Nov. 28, 2007 9:51 p.m.

    Wapiti, thanks for the stats. BCS teams are overrated. They have created a rift in the minds of the nations football fans, that bcs teams are far superior to the mid-majors. There is more parity in football than ever before.

    Here's a suggestion. shuffle conference teams each year. Let Michigan play in the MWC and BYU or Utah play in the Big 10, and see if they can compete. We might be shocked in the outcome.

  • Gretzky
    Nov. 28, 2007 9:49 p.m.

    Let's get Hawaii on the schedule so we can see what former BYU QB Jake Bower can do unless he goes to Michigan with Coach Crowton if the LSU coach Les Miles takes Crowton with him...

  • wapiti
    Nov. 28, 2007 9:41 p.m.

    The Mountain West is 6-7 vs the BCS this year. The WAC is 0-14 . . . yes that's zero wins and fourteen losses. The Mountain West schedules and wins its fair share against the BCS schools. The WAC? The record speaks for itself.

  • Re: Give me a break
    Nov. 28, 2007 9:36 p.m.

    The MWC has beaten half the BCS teams it has scheduled, with three losses coming from SDSU alone. The MWC is certainly holding its own against BCS schools. Let's just see if Hawaii can beat an opponent with some raw talent in Washington before we declare Hawaii BCS worthy.

    As for Nevada - bock, bock, bock, buh-kock!

    I'm pretty sure BYU can't play any FCS teams next year, but I'm OK if Florida State wants to come to Provo. They'll get some serious chapped lips in that dry, September Provo heat.

  • BCS is a nightmare
    Nov. 28, 2007 9:34 p.m.

    Hawaii has figured it out. Get the weakest schedule possible, and get in a BC$ bowl. Even if a non-BCS team went undefeated on a tough schedule, they still wouldn't even be considered for the national championship. This year, it's more clear than ever that a playoff system is needed.

  • 0-4
    Nov. 28, 2007 9:34 p.m.

    Nevada is obviously afraid of starting the season 0-4, thus they have replaced the BYU game.
    We should not stoop to Hawaii's level, by scheduling 2 DII schools, however, we should actively try to schedule the perennial doormats of the big conferences: Duke, Northwestern, Baylor, Minnesota, and Syracuse. Also schedule any WAC team and 1 DII school.
    Schedule the doormats for the first 3 non-conference games and then schedule the 4th non-conf game against a decent to upper-level BCS team.

  • grumpyolman
    Nov. 28, 2007 9:33 p.m.

    Here's some facts:
    1) Nevada is afraid to play the cougars. (maybe they really do get help from above)
    2) BYU down graded its schedule when it re-scheduled Utah State, since they are both in the WAC they could drop the aggies as payback.
    3) If we can't replace these games with BCS teams the BCS could be considered in collusion with the WAC and include them in the lawsuit.
    4) The Utes were not able to use "That offensive Hakka" or "Those stupid statements by Curtis Brown" as motivation to beat the "Y" but cougs beware Austin Collie's "help from above" statement is the final straw they will not forget and next year they'll be waiting for us. (are the rest of you as scared as I am)

  • BCS Tactics
    Nov. 28, 2007 9:28 p.m.

    Hawaii has taught us that a weaker schedule is not necessarily a problem for making a BCS bowl appearance (no disrespect to Hawaii, I'm a fan). This is the climate that we find ourselves in with the BCS. A number of BCS schools use this to their advantage. The BCS has shown us that a glossy win/loss record is more impressive than strength of schedule. Why beat yourself up against mid to upper BCS schools, when you can swim in friendlier waters, and gain national recognition. I'm loving the current rankings mess. It screams for a playoff. Perhaps the evil sith lords (BCS Presidents) will get the message that their system is a flop in determining a national champion.

  • Anonymous
    Nov. 28, 2007 9:29 p.m.

    Give me a break -

    You may want you check your facts and compare this years MWC record against BCS schools and to the WAC record against BCS schools. You might be surprised.

  • Football fan
    Nov. 28, 2007 9:18 p.m.

    I think it would be great if instead of brining in Eastern Illinois and Easter Washington, BYU would play the local FCS teams such as Weber State and Southern Utah. Sure it would be an easy win, but it would be much more exciting for the local fans.

  • FSU
    Nov. 28, 2007 9:19 p.m.

    Nevada would do BYU a favor if they could get a good ACC team to play in Provo. I personally would rather see MWC teams play up instead of down.

  • Interesting
    Nov. 28, 2007 9:14 p.m.

    hmmmmm.... sounds like BYU might want to consider how it fells to be stiffed! BYU didn't want to compete against the Aggies in Logan (Basketball). Let's face it - it's all about winning......

  • Wassup
    Nov. 28, 2007 9:14 p.m.

    What BCS team has Hawaii beaten away from home?

  • No respect
    Nov. 28, 2007 9:12 p.m.

    This is exactly why the MWC and the WAC will never receive respect. You have the likes of Bronco stating that he should find an easier schedule so he can get into the BCS.... Come on....

    Try to keep up with the Big East or maybe the ACC. Hopefully one day you can compete with the SEC...

    What a joke.

  • Steve Jarvis
    Nov. 28, 2007 9:02 p.m.

    If we must schedule a lower tier school then make it a Utah lower tier school like Weber State or Dixie. I don't want to see another Eastern Washington when we have local small schools that could at least make the game have some meaning.

    I'd like to see the Grambling band too. I hope that GU and some of these 'patsies' blow out some of the bigger programs next year like App. ST. did to Michigan this year.

  • dblack
    Nov. 28, 2007 8:57 p.m.

    BYU needs to enforce the contract by taking immediate legal action against Nevada for serious dollars that they cannot afford without some pain. A deal is a deal. Nevada cannot make as much money playing Grambling in their stadium as they could coming to Provo to play BYU. Perhaps they don't want to play BYU because they are afraid of losing the game more than losing money.

  • Give me a break
    Nov. 28, 2007 8:54 p.m.

    The last people who should be criticizing strength of schedule is the MWC teams. When they consistently schedule and beat BCS teams then they might be able to condemn Hawaii.