Collie calls reaction to his post-game comments 'ridiculous'

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  • Utah fans
    Dec. 18, 2008 12:27 a.m.

    are a bunch of babies. They got lucky they won this year.

  • Utah Man
    Dec. 1, 2007 2:11 p.m.

    Utah may be sore losers but the whole reason this started is because BYU had to be sore winners.

  • Carol Warnick
    Nov. 30, 2007 8:39 p.m.

    Why is it so wrong to share your personal feelings about your beliefs? We all do it when we sing our National Anthem prior to a football game. We should be grateful that Collie trusted us enough that he could share his feelings with us and we would understand.

  • MarkyMark
    Nov. 30, 2007 4:35 p.m.

    Elder Bednar once told one of his sons... Paraphrasing,

    "Whenever you achieve something, remember that God gave it and you did NOT earn it."

  • MarkyMArk
    Nov. 30, 2007 4:33 p.m.

    I love the Cougars... but.

    Austin Collie seemed to have forgotten what Elder Bednar's Dad once told him. Paraphrasing...

    " When you achieve something, remember that God gave it and that you did NOT earn it."

  • BYU fans are fully invested
    Nov. 30, 2007 3:20 p.m.

    Utah fans are "fully INFESTED" with greed, spite, jealousy and pettiness. Grow up

    Nov. 30, 2007 3:09 p.m.

    Not everyone commenting on this article is from Utah. Second not everyone living in Utah is from Utah. Half of BYU is from out of state and a majority of U of U is not from Utah as well. So to simple Judge people is wrong.

    Just a personal thought I dont think BYU students or Athletes relize that not everyone in Utah is mormon. Especially in Salt Lake Area. So when someone makes a comment like that I could see how people who are not LDS could take offense. I think sometimes people at BYU give the church a bad image to non members in that state of Utah " Salt Lake County" as an example. Salt Lake County has Million people and less that half or LDS. Since Majority U of U fans are prob not LDS I could see how this could be taken offense to a lot of UTE fans because they are not mormon.

    I'm not pointing fingers at anyone I can just see how people are getting offended by this..

  • MM
    Nov. 30, 2007 12:10 p.m.

    I study at the U but I like the Cougars better. I am also a happy member of the LDS Church. However, Austin Collie's remarks were unnecessary. My home teaching companion is in the Utah football team and is one of the most faithful LDS members I know, "on and off the field." The fact that his team lost does not mean that God did not "step in" in favor of them and "take part in it". For all I know God loves both teams and rewards people in different ways. I agree with an IN Salt Lake City article referring to the "celestial arrogance" of immature BYU students. They can acknowledge God in their victories, but not in a way that suggests they are favored because they are better people than others.

  • cougarJim
    Nov. 30, 2007 8:09 a.m.

    As Austin will be translated soon, this is all a moot point.
    Let's focus on SDSU folks!

  • Is this really still going on?
    Nov. 29, 2007 4:43 p.m.

    I can't believe this is still such a big issue. I am a student at the U. As such, I was not offended by the comment at all. I have no doubt players on both teams say many prayers and try to be good people. Everyone has the right to his or her own opinion. Collie gave his opinion, got plenty of flack...isn't there something else to talk about now? Seriously?

  • LFP
    Nov. 29, 2007 4:30 p.m.

    Austin, As a good family friend of the Collie's I could not help but write and let you know of our support for you! I am so sorry that you have to put up with all these crazy Utahns. Your comment may have not been the best choice, especially in a place like this crazy state where everything is blown WAY out of proportion, but now you know right?? Just know we love you and are on your side and to FORGET about all these negative idiots on here. They are a bunch of low life's with nothing better going on!! Keep doing what you do and know you are a wonderful person. We support you %110 percent. This will all blow over soon enough. Much love!

  • WOW
    Nov. 29, 2007 11:56 a.m.

    I think everyone who is sticking up for Collie is missing the point of the criticism. They are not attacking him for recognizing God, they are attacking him for implying God favored his team and determined the outcome of the game. I don't thing anyone cares he mentioned God. Another point is I am not sure BYU is doing what is right on the field though. Lots of cursing, personal fouls, and taunting. For claiming to be the Lord's school/team whatever they sure behave poorly and give your church a bad reputation. I know Utah does it too but they are not claiming devine intervention because they are doing what is right.

  • WOW
    Nov. 29, 2007 9:58 a.m.

    I HATE byu more than most, but this is getting to be a JOKE!!! Listen to games on any week-end and you see players in EVERY sport say, "First of all, I'd like to Praise God"....and then imply that that is why they are being interviewed.

    Collie, I hope you guys lose your bowl game, I hope you lose every game next year, but YOU ARE RIGHT. You do good things "on and off" the field and in life...GOOD THINGS HAPPEN!!!

    Call it karma, "what goes aroung, comes around" ort whatever you want...YOU ARE RIGHT!!!!

  • Lt layton
    Nov. 29, 2007 8:29 a.m.

    I would just like to thank all those who left comments that they choose not to go to BYU as It made room for the rest of us and as I see it that was divine intervention!

  • WWJD
    Nov. 29, 2007 3:56 a.m.

    Collie's comments revealed a sincere belief that he holds and that a majority of LDS members share.

    But it is a wrong-headed idea. As such, BYU Student's suggestion to "keep it to yourself" is a disingenuous approach. All you are saying is that it is OK to be arrogantly self-righteou as long as you keep it to yourself!?

    That combines the sin of arrogant, self-righteous pride with the sin of being subtly dishonest.

    That is NOT what Jesus would do!

  • Re: BYU Student
    Nov. 28, 2007 10:22 p.m.

    Thank you BYU Student!!!!!!!!! Your comment was right on the money!! Whether or not Collie should be allowed to say what he wants, or whether or not his comment was nothing more than a profession of his faith, he represents BYU and the Church. There are people out there LOOKING FOR OFFENSES, hence all the more reason to avoid giving them a reason to be offended. When it comes to rivalries, the media and the opposing teams are always looking for fuel for the fire.

    The media wants this to be "THE HOLY WAR", which is yet another way to create divisiveness and improve readership. Let's keep the rivalry to SPORTS and not religion.....PLEASE!!!!!

    Our church leaders are constantly seeking for ways to quell divisiveness between us and other groups. We should do the same, after all, many U students are LDS.

  • byu
    Nov. 28, 2007 10:11 p.m.

    everyone except ute fans know that calling BYU the "lords university" and pretending like he favours our team is nothing more than a ploy to get you all riled up! and oh how fun it is to see you react!

  • a voice of reason
    Nov. 28, 2007 7:56 p.m.

    Hey stop crucifying Collie for his comments. He spoke his mind and stood by his take. Only Austin can account for how he is living his life and nobody else. If he feels like God helped him perform up to his potetial in that game who is to say otherwise. I know that many of us in school, sports or simple presentations have asked for help from a higher being and received it. No matter what faith you belong to, there is an ideal that good actions return good results and bad actions result in bad consequences. It is called kharma. My personal opinion is that God doesn't care who wins or loses but he does care how people live their lives and blesses all his children in some degree or another. The score still reads 17-10 and if God really does determine the outcome based on how players and fans are living their lives, then some players and students need to set down their bong and start living their respective religion.

  • Instead of
    Nov. 28, 2007 7:02 p.m.

    thanking god and/or mentioning their righteousness when they win, how 'bout someone blaming god or confessing how sinful they are when they lose? One implies the other, period. This is what the young Mr Collie (who has a lot of growing up to do, IMO) and all the self-righteous BYU "fans" fail to realize (or refuse to admit) when they just can't figure out why people would be upset. As a related side note, I honestly think there is an undercurrent of belief among some BYU "fans" that Gary Crowton, et al, brought down the "righteousness" level of the team and that god punished them as a result.

  • Patrick W.
    Nov. 28, 2007 5:14 p.m.

    So the kid has some Faith, good for him. But, thinking that God favors one team, or an athlete over another is ridiculous! God does not care about the outcome of sports, or entertainment. It erks me to hear celebrities and athletes praise God for helping theM win an oscar or a title.. Just say thanks and walk away.. haha


  • BYWho
    Nov. 28, 2007 4:51 p.m.

    you guys are killing me...if you want to go there then refs totally missed the offensive holding call on the 4th and 18 play. It should have been called by the refs as "offensive holding by GOD on B. McCain".

  • Divine Intervention
    Nov. 28, 2007 3:44 p.m.

    Collie is totally wrong. God looked down and saw the scared defender and the clueless UofU Coaches and realized no help was needed.

  • LDS U Fan
    Nov. 28, 2007 3:42 p.m.

    If Collie means that he's thankful that God has blessed him with the opportunities and skills that he has, and was therefore a part of that play, that's fine. But the timing of his remarks, as well as what he actually said, made it sound as if he MAY actually believe that God made sure that the U lost containment, blew the coverage and BYU won, because of his righteousness. That is, as Collie put it, "BS."

    I really do think that he had the former thought in mind, and I certainly hope so. Otherwise, as an active, card carrying, mission serving, BYU hating member of the LDS Church, I am really bothered by what he said.

  • Collie get a life
    Nov. 28, 2007 2:46 p.m.

    I agree that Collie is way off base. When we look around at the world events of Saturday, I think a football game ranks low on the scale of what the "Lord" was paying attention to. Collie new exactly what he was talking about when he made the comments. If the "Lord" helped him get open, does that mean the "Lord" made the Ute defender blow his assignment? Maybe the reason why BYU has such a terrible bowl record over the years is because the "Lord" is on Christmas vacation???

  • Football Fan
    Nov. 28, 2007 2:44 p.m.


    You're the man, I agree 100%

  • Hey "Collie get a life"
    Nov. 28, 2007 2:16 p.m.

    I'm also a typical BYU person, trying to do my best on and off the other field (baseball). I hope that it's typical of all you Yewts as well. It sure isn't typical of many atheletes any more (and yes they do succeed in their sport still). I think I'm better than you as well! Ha! How do you like that!? I'm better than anyone who doesn't see things the same as I do!
    Hey, we sound the same!

  • Collie get a life!!!
    Nov. 28, 2007 1:30 p.m.

    Typical BYU person, thinking they are better than the rest. Guess what Mormons are not above everyone and god will not treat you any better!!!! God will look at how you treated people, not that you went to BYU or that you were mormon. God does not make poeple make touchdowns!!!

  • Logic
    Nov. 28, 2007 12:40 p.m.

    I believe that the emotion behind the "Collie" bashing has diminished many bashers' logical capabilities. First rule of logic is that of "charity." Charity is idea that a word may have more than one meaning, therefore a sentence may have multiple interpretations. For a statement to be argued against you must take the words or sentences in context of the speaker's intent. You must use the speaker's definitions or meanings not the definition that you wish that he had "implied" for the sake of your own motives. The first rule is based on the idea of understanding before attacking. Most of the bashing seems based on an all too common twisting of Collie's intent.
    Although it's already been stated a number of ways, I'll say it again: one should look at his or her own motives before "casting stones".

  • CougarBlue
    Nov. 28, 2007 12:16 p.m.

    335 comments. You have got to be kidding me. He simply said he prepared and the Lord blessed him. He never put down any other player on the team. He never said the others didn't prepare or go to the Lord for help. He just said what has happened to him. Many of you need to get a life and quit being so angry.

    Quite complaining about the mote in a person's eye, when you have a beam in your own.

  • Collie's Right
    Nov. 28, 2007 11:52 a.m.

    Collie is right.

  • BYU
    Nov. 28, 2007 11:21 a.m.

    It comes down to this, Yes many athletes thank God for giving them strength or whatever and that is good, but I have never heard an athlete say that god blessed him because he was living right on and off the field, because that gives credit to the player for living right not God. Leave your own personal life out of it and give all the credit to God and that is what most athletes do. Its funny how BYU fans are so quick to come down on the utes coach for an onsides kick even after he said he was sorry. but now BYU fans are so quick to get defensive about Collie who has no intentions of saying he is sorry, but just tells everyone to get a life, and that this is all BS.

    Nov. 28, 2007 11:10 a.m.

    OK. I don't think Collie actually meant to imply that he or BYU were more righteous than Utah, but the comment was terrible. It made me cringe. Even worse was his combative response.

    I love BYU, and I'm a big football fan, but it's no joke that we're hated by a lot of people because we're perceived as self-righteous. Whether it's true or not (and as much as it pains me to say, it is true a lot of the time (which drives me crazy)) we need to be especially careful not to be this way or come off this way.

    Just because you believe something, it doesn't always need to be said. Maybe Collie thought God did help with 4th and 18, and he definitely thought his critics needed to get a life, but THERE'S NO NEED TO SAY ANY OF THAT STUFF. Please BYU people, just keep that junk to yourself. You're not doing me or any of the other normal BYU people any favors. Instead of saying "everyone else thanks God so it's OK," we need hold ourselves to a higher standard or else the stigma is never going to go away.

  • Mormon Ute Fan
    Nov. 28, 2007 10:35 a.m.

    As a Utah fan who was upset by the loss I still have to say that I don't believe Collie meant to offend anyone. He could have phrased his comment more wisely, but in the heat of the moment, that's just how it came out...and he is fresh of the mish!
    However it has been my experience in talking with many byu fans, including several in my own family, that they truly believe byu wins because it's the "lord's school." This type of attitude puts me off. And anyone who thinks so needs to put their pride in check. It's football for crying out loud! And Utah fans...the game is over, move on and let's just mentally prepare for the next match up ok?

  • CougarKeith (UtahKeith)
    Nov. 28, 2007 10:29 a.m.

    Good for you Austin, I salute you, and stand behind you 110%!!! Everyone else can take a hike, if you don't like what he said, get over it, or lose your guilty conscience! Get off the kids back.

  • Blown Away
    Nov. 28, 2007 9:18 a.m.

    Wow, I can't believe all the blogs being written about this incident. I question Collie for why he even said what he did. Examples of players thanking God and making the sign of the cross, or pointing their finger towards the heavens do not make the implications that Collie did when he said..." if you do what's right on and off the field." To me that says that if you are doing what's right off the field in your personal life, God will help you on the football field. Who cares which team won, that doesn't matter. But with his comment, I think it was taken as a personal insult rather than someone speaking out about his faith. I don't say that about my fellow workers yet God plays a role in all our lives if we let Him.

    It amazes me to read the blogs from the Deseret News articles. If its about Mitt and his faith there may be a 100 comments. If its about religion it may be 100 comments. But if its sports and religion, over 350 comments. After further review, I think I better get a life.

  • Anonymous
    Nov. 28, 2007 9:17 a.m.

    This is a perfect example why this state is so lame. It always comes down to religion with everything nobody can just shut their mouth and keep their beliefs to themselves like they should. You take something as good as Byu-Utah drag it in the mud and bring religion into it. Just another reason I will be moving back out of Utah grow up people stop gossiping and judging people for religious beliefs.

  • dave h
    Nov. 28, 2007 8:51 a.m.

    As a BYU fan I still have to say that Austin was wrong to say what he said. When you are an athlete in the spot light you always have to measure your words before speaking. If Austin actually believes that the Lord steps in and helps a team based on their "righteousness" I guess that is his right - even though most don't accept that idea including most of his fellow BYU team mates. I would bet that most of the other BYU players wondered "what the heck are you thinking Austin". Like it or not, this is an issue when make some sort of self righteous comment like that and it is better to just keep it to yourself.

  • JC From CA
    Nov. 28, 2007 8:45 a.m.

    To:Western Sport LDS fan, and Utah supporter. Look at the comments made from the Utah Players after the successful defeat of Pittsburgh in the Arizona Tostitos Bowl when coach Meyer was at Utah. The Utah players were making similar comments after their win. I was at the game as a BYU Fan Rooting for Utah, and loved the execution of the Utes. "They Dominated the team from Pitt because they were better prepared." Austin's success comes from principles taught at home and in the church. Amen Austin

  • Shame
    Nov. 28, 2007 8:13 a.m.

    Shame on Sorenson and the local sports radio hosts for even making this an issue. John Lund on the manly morning show would not get off the subject. I finally changed the radio station. I came back an hour later, and he was still on it. He made it an issue. I think much less of him now than I did before.

  • Father of four
    Nov. 28, 2007 4:27 a.m.

    That was a very good game, Thank you for giving credit were it was due. The example you set for my kids is very much appreciated, I wish we had more people like you, willing to stand up for what they believe in. Your comments allowed us to have another great dinner conversation with our kids. Thanks again

  • Ore Coug
    Nov. 28, 2007 2:50 a.m.

    To C: I interpret Collie to mean he did not mean offense and anyone taking offense should have better things to do in life, in other words "get a life".

    A couple of thoughts come to mind.

    1) Gods wrath is kindled against those who do not acknowledge his hand in ALL things. I interpret that to include football as well, although not necessarily outcomes, but in individual performance.

    2) The purpose of the article is to create controversy (or contention), after all it makes money. I believe nothing good comes from contention. In fact it is widely believed that the devil is the source of contention.

    Who, in this case, is doing the devils work? Surprising this is coming from the DMN.

    looking at the game with blinders on only makes for frustration, do you not have something better to do with you lives?

  • Deepa
    Nov. 28, 2007 12:51 a.m.

    If i were a ute defender, i'd try to blame divine intervention too. How else do you explain the utes forgetting how to guard the best player on the most important play two years in a row????

  • Noosa
    Nov. 28, 2007 12:30 a.m.

    As a BYU fan, I wonder why some Mormons blow criticism or differing points of view out of proportion and make it sound as if this is Mormon bashing? I've heard numerous athletes and coaches of all races and backgrounds excoriated on sports radio talk shows (Jim Rome, JT the Brick, Mike & Mike) for invoking similar attitudes. Cut the persecution complex and grow up. Collie could have easily defused the situation in his follow-up interview if he wanted the issue to go away.

  • Mike
    Nov. 28, 2007 12:07 a.m.

    Enough said... we can all stop the debate now.

  • Sacramento Coog
    Nov. 27, 2007 11:49 p.m.

    I know Austin Collie. He's a great kid, from a great family, and who does his best to live his religion. His comments were nothing more than a way of thanking the Lord for helping him reach his potential during the game. I hear the same kind of thing all the time in post game interviews and it's never a story. What this is, is another example of the state of Utah's hysteria over religion--particularly from those that oppose the Mormon faith or who are hypersensitve of the Church's influence. It's bigotry in another fashion.

    Good for you Austin--for thanking God to begin with and for standing up for your beliefs when attacked. The rest of you should heed Collie's advice and get a life!

  • Brian
    Nov. 27, 2007 11:47 p.m.

    Fischer does the same thing last year in the Jazz playoffs and we all admire him --- well, maybe Golden State fans did not think God had helped the situation. But, we all did. Collie said or did nothing wrong. I admire his faith (faith is an action verb) and then giving credit to God.

  • Strange bunch
    Nov. 27, 2007 11:41 p.m.

    You Utah Mormons are a strange bunch. You send missionaries - like Austin - all over the world telling people that they need to join your church and obey God's commandments (do the right thing) they will be blessed. (As I understand it those blessings apply generally to this life and the next life.) Then one of your own comes back from having delivered that message in South America and tells you that he thinks that that formula has helped him in his life - including this game - and you villify him for it. I would have thought you would be proud of the success of one of your own . . .. Strange bunch.

  • Controversy
    Nov. 27, 2007 11:38 p.m.

    Reporters are in the business of selling newspapers. Controversy sells papers. Its the oldest ploy in the newspaper business, and we've all been caught by this story, like a dumb carp.

  • Re: Don't Persecute Me
    Nov. 27, 2007 11:34 p.m.

    Aren't you making your comments through Red Goggles? Thats the reason Cougar fans don't like many Ute fans like you. Have a nice day.

  • Midwesterner
    Nov. 27, 2007 11:31 p.m.

    RE: Don't Persecute Me.

    I will use small words so you will understand. I like my Blue Goggles! This is America. I have the right to wear whatever color of eyewear I choose. I will not stoop to your level by making a hasty generalization about moronic Ute Fans (Not all of them, just the folks like you).

  • Silly
    Nov. 27, 2007 11:28 p.m.

    This story is a non-issue, or should have been. The prophet Isaiah warned of people who would, "make a man an offender for a word" (Isa 29:21).

    Brigham Young once stated that, "He who takes offense when no offense was intended is a fool."

    The world could use more men like Austin Collie, and less men that take offense where none was intended.

  • Josh
    Nov. 27, 2007 11:20 p.m.

    I've always thought God had a sense of humor. I'll bet he/she thinks this one is pretty good.

  • Don't Persecute Me
    Nov. 27, 2007 11:12 p.m.

    Isn't it funny that Collie trys to play the race and religion card in a place like Utah County. What a joke! Collie shows real maturity in his response by calling the whole thing B.S. and try to get Cougar sympathizers like the people on this blog to stick up for him. There is a reason why Ute fans like me don't like BYU and it's because of athletes like Collie and the cougar fans that can't take criticism. Take the Blue Goggles off ... now.

  • Davis
    Nov. 27, 2007 10:58 p.m.

    If you just think about it, if he were a member of some other religion he would not get as much heat!
    And because he is standing up for what he beleives in, I am proud of him as an LDS member!

  • none
    Nov. 27, 2007 10:28 p.m.

    Get a life Get a life Get a life!!!

  • RE: Take a logic class
    Nov. 27, 2007 10:19 p.m.

    Well, I feel a bit sheepish. Evidently, I need a logic refresher myself. In my previous post I ignored this logic rule:

    means that

    So, if Collie truly was saying "You live righteously, you're gonna win", then he would also be saying that "You don't win, you must not be living righteously."

    Anyhow, I stand by my original analysis: Collie acknowledged that as he does his best to follow the Lord, then the Lord blesses him and helps him accomplish great things.

    Collie did not make a sweeping statement like "Hey, you live right, you'll win (and therefore, if you lose, you must not be living right)."

  • ute fan
    Nov. 27, 2007 10:14 p.m.

    hey im a ute fan, but i agree with collie. let it rest

  • Non LDS BYU Student
    Nov. 27, 2007 10:03 p.m.

    I am (was) a KFAN listener. I'm a Jazz fan and often listen to the games on KFAN. After the BYU/UTAH game I had my car radio tuned to KFAN. I was disappointed in the commentators. Come up with something worth while; that reflects what a great game it was. Not, "lets try and make this athlete appear bigoted." 1280 it is for me.

  • anonymous
    Nov. 27, 2007 9:56 p.m.

    It's true. If he were from another school and were black, or jewish, or any other ethnicity, or denomination he would be praised, not ridiculed. It floors me how so many will say mormon's are intolerant of other people and yet face some of the most intolerant comments and people against them. Apparently the media was really lacking for a story if they had to beat this one to death.

  • Midwesterner
    Nov. 27, 2007 9:46 p.m.

    So, If I understand this correctly, A football player mentioned his personal religious beliefs in an interview, and a significant portion of those who heard the comments are offended, and demand an apology?

    I'm not sure that I understand why he should apologize or retract his statements. Aren't they his personal beliefs? If an individual United States Citizen has an opinion, I thought that they were free to express it.

    For what it's worth, those who are offended are either biggoted or just have a bad case of sour grapes because their team lost a game.

  • CougerKeith (UtahKeith)
    Nov. 27, 2007 9:44 p.m.

    Give it a rest people... All he meant by the comment was that the cheap call from the 67 yard TD called back was given "Karma" by never giving up. That was all the kid was saying and everybody blew it out of proportion. He was trying to apply the "Lesson" and "Example" to a real to life scenario was all he was saying. Get over it people!!! The Lord watches over those who keep their nose to the grindstone and work hard (have faith and don't give up no matter what), that was all he was saying. Anyone trying to put more into it than what he actually meant, SHAME ON YOU!!! He was excited, he was asked about a big play and he said quickly what he thought, and you all get on a kid for saying what he felt, but it didn't exactly come out the way it should have been understood by the public.

  • Ian
    Nov. 27, 2007 9:30 p.m.

    For me I really do believe that BYU is God's favorite school. There!


  • If the Mormons are living right?
    Nov. 27, 2007 9:19 p.m.

    Then where is the love? You got mormons Tazing mormons, now fighting over god. Over a kid's game where the players get a king's ransom!

  • The world is listening
    Nov. 27, 2007 9:08 p.m.

    I was getting my hair cut in Tokyo, Japan earlier today and you know what was being discussed? Yep, Collie's remarks.

    Most of the Japanese took offense to what he had to say and were lamenting the fact that the Japanese lost to the United States in World War II, not because of poor preparation, but because the United States had too many "darn" Mormons living right, while Japan didn't have one.

    I also talked to my friend in Iraq and by golly, this Collie issue was the topic of choice there as well. They really believe that those "righteous" Mormons are the reason Sadam was ousted from power.

    Beware BYU . . . the world is listening to your every comment!

  • Collies Friend
    Nov. 27, 2007 8:54 p.m.

    austin is one of my buddies. he is not a holier than thou guy. he is however a bigger faster and stronger than you guy the kid is a physical freak and a heck of a reciever.......let him thank god if he wants...tons of athletes do it........let the fans from a mountain west team that has beat byu in the last two seasons cast the first stone .................oh wait i forgot.......

  • Jeff
    Nov. 27, 2007 8:53 p.m.

    Collie is absolutely right. Religious bigotry is doing well in Utah. If he were not a Mormon, no comment would ever be made. Disgusting, PERIOD.

  • RE: Charles
    Nov. 27, 2007 8:39 p.m.

    Charles, you said...
    "It also is pretty clear that God doesn't help any particular team at the exclusion of other teams since no team always wins."

    What about the UNDEFEATED 2004 UTES??? Maybe Collie could enlighten us about their season?

  • SS More
    Nov. 27, 2007 8:32 p.m.

    "I wouldn't say it was lucky. We executed the play well. We should have had another one (TD). Obviously, if you do what's right on and off the field, I think the Lord steps in and plays a part in it. Magic happens."

    What does this statement have to do with BYU, LDS Church or anything else?

    Seems like someone is making a store out of nothing.

  • Almost 300 posts later....
    Nov. 27, 2007 8:29 p.m.

    and the majority is finding every excuse for Collie's stupid statement. The posts in here are pointing to one fact and one fact only: the majority of DN readers are BYU Fans.

    The law of the harvest logic being thrown around in here is very weak. There are posts comparing Collie's catch and remarks to a heart surgeon practicing medicine. IT IS HILARIOUS!!

    I lived in the religous deep south for a number of years and been to plenty of football games. A remark like Collie's would've been frowned just as much in Oxford, Mississippi as it was in SLC.

    BYU fans have always been thin-skinned and defending Collie brings up all the old arguments they use when someone is bagging on one of their players. The biggest of which is "if this wasn't a BYU player nobody would care".

    I live in Tucson and went to the barbershop today and believe or not Collie's remarks were being discussed. Most of the patrons took offense and were joking that the Wildcats lost to the Y this season not because of poor coaching but because BYU had too many Mormons living right on their team while Arizona only had two.

    Nov. 27, 2007 8:24 p.m.

    Utah had a great year despite all the injuries and adversity that they had to face. The players, fans, and staff all were blessed because of how they live their lives. I truly believe this. Utah will get a bowl game due to their hard work and blessings. I hope Utah blows out their bowl opponent and continued success except against BYU of course. I hope BYU and any other MWC bowl team does the same.

  • SSComment
    Nov. 27, 2007 8:24 p.m.

    I wonder if SS gets it? Why are you making an issue when one doesn't exist. Austin Collie made a statement about how God rewards those who do right -- he didn't say anything about his school, his religion or anything else. This statement could just as well have come from a Ute player on an occasion when they win.

    This item needs to die because it is not an issue. It is only one in the minds of those who want to be offended. Hear that SS?

  • chris
    Nov. 27, 2007 8:19 p.m.

    Good show austin. it's nice to hear someone actually speak their mind. a career in politics is due.

  • Gretzky
    Nov. 27, 2007 8:14 p.m.

    Okay, we've heard enough and Collie is awesome. He is blessed and his comment was no different than every NFL football player that bows his knee in the endzone to say a prayer of thanksgiving after every TD he scores.
    So let's just wrap this session up and move onto the next stupid controversy that PK and Gordie Monson drum up so they can save their jobs.

  • BYU Cougar
    Nov. 27, 2007 8:13 p.m.


  • re:Sweet
    Nov. 27, 2007 7:10 p.m.

    I'm sorry, I didn't try to imply everyones argument was incoherent and poorly spelled... just your post.

    BTW, I am also a BYU fan, so I am not offended by your "awesome" smack.

    I just didn't understand your rambling post.

  • What if?
    Nov. 27, 2007 7:03 p.m.

    God really wanted BYU to win, and the Utes to lose, so he intervened?


    That was the same move that Austin made down the right sideline in the CSU game for his totally wide open touchdown and the Ute coaches missed it in their preparation and had they prepared for the game by watching tapes, they would not have left Austin Collie open and the Utes would have won?

    Either way, Utah lost, BYU won, and it doesn't really matter what Austin thinks, now does it.

  • SS
    Nov. 27, 2007 7:04 p.m.

    Everyone defending Collie here just doesn't get it. The reason why most people who aren't BYU fans don't like them is because of the 'holier than thou attitude' that some of their fans display. Anyone who disagrees with that is simply out of touch with reality. Granted, I know that alot of BYU fans ARE NOT like this but perception is reality folks. There is a reason why BYU was once named the most hated team in America, and having a winning program is not the only reason. I think it's ridiculous when ANY athlete (black, white, muslim, catholic) suggests that god plays a role in determining the outcome of a game. But when you play for a religous school that people ALREADY have pre-conceived notions about such as being 'self righteous' it certainly will only add fuel to that fire when you make a statement such as he did. This is the difference. I don't think Collie is smart ebough to realize this. He may not have meant any harm by it, but it wasn't smart. By implying god was rewarding him on the field for living a 'righteous life' what does that say about the losing team?

  • Take a logic class
    Nov. 27, 2007 7:03 p.m.

    Disclosure: I'm a BYU fan and I thoroughly enjoyed the game.

    I agree with Austin's original comments. I interpret them as an explanation of the Law of the Harvest: if you obey the Lord's commandments, He will bless you. You may have difficulties and problems, but the blessings eventually come. The "blessing" may be one great play, where you accomplish something beyond your potential, or when pieces just "fall into place". Maybe the "blessing" is having the courage to overcome a tough lose and continue competing.

    Austin did NOT say:
    1. If you live right, you will win every game
    2. If you did not win, you must not be living right
    3. If you did win, you must be living right, that is the only reason you will win

    To the posters saying Collie's statements imply that "losing means that you're not righteous" - go take a basic logic class:
    is not logically equivalent to these:

    I also agree with Austin's rebuttal: if he was not a Mormon playing for BYU, this would be a non-issue. Too bad his response was not more eloquent.

  • Thats it, now I'm offended!
    Nov. 27, 2007 6:59 p.m.

    Spanky boy(re: sweet),

    You imply that your argument is more coherent then the rest of us. It is exactly that kind of arrogance, and self righteousness that makes me hate... Well it offends me. No, it really, really hurts. Ooops, maybe I lost coherence. Umm...

    Scoreboard too!

  • RE: utah-man18
    Nov. 27, 2007 6:58 p.m.

    If I didn't approve of you making that comment, and even if it went further and said it offended me, would you take it back and let me script for you what I thought it appropriate for you to say?

    I think Collie said what he said, was given the option to explain it and retract, and explained it.

    It's what he said.

    Be angry, but he said what he said.

    Nov. 27, 2007 6:57 p.m.

    Repent U of U fans so we can beat the Y next year. Repent... repent... we need to be more righteous than the Y. Repent!! I know some missionaries that can help the team out and get you baptized!! REPENT!

  • Seriously guys
    Nov. 27, 2007 6:54 p.m.

    Ok, so there's now like almost 300 comments on this article? Wow. I believe that I speak for most of us here when I say, people are making a big deal out of nothing at all, and that Austin Collie was simply overjoyed that he made a big play, and he was grateful and felt that it was appropriate to thank God for his success. His part about "when your doing what's right on and off the field" was speaking in a general sense. Then all of the anti-BYU advocates start all of this controversy about it. I can see how some Ute fans and anti-BYU people got upset about the way they interpreted his comments, but I really don't feel that it was directed towards them. So Austin responded the way that he did today because of how "ridiculous" everyone else is being about it, and they seriously are. Austin said what he said today because everyone who was offended by what he said just set themselves up for it. So I understand both sides, but for real, it's not something to get so worked up about.

  • Holy War
    Nov. 27, 2007 6:52 p.m.

    "Holy War" tells you all you need to know. For every holy team there is an unholy team, you know, good and bad in all things. Why do you think the Utes are red?

  • !st Ammendment
    Nov. 27, 2007 6:48 p.m.

    Freedom to exercise your religion, freedom of speech and the press.

    Mike Sorensen postulated and basically said that Mr. Collie did not have these first ammendment rights.

    Sounds sort of funny, a reporter trying to editorialize and censor a source.

  • utah_man18
    Nov. 27, 2007 6:47 p.m.

    The fact is that by saying what he did when he did (right after being asked if he was lucky to make the play), Collie brought this on himself. A player pointing to the sky or an actor thanking God for his success is very different; Collie's comment and it's timing suggest that the Lord stepped in to make the Utes lose. I can see why he thinks the over reaction is ridiculous, but at the same time I don't approve of him making the statement at that time. If he wanted to thank God in an interview he should have brought up his injury and been grateful for a full recovery.

  • There they go again!
    Nov. 27, 2007 6:41 p.m.

    The christians, stoning each other!

  • go cougs
    Nov. 27, 2007 6:42 p.m.

    CTR- collie did own his comments. he didnt chage what he said, he has a point. if he was a player at another university it would have been awesome that a young talented person gave credit to god. if a ute player would have said the same thing it would have been funny becuse he would hve been snubbing BYU. i think one of your players would have thanked god but i forgot, you lost. i never get tired of listening to ute fans cry after their team loses. instead of worying about collie, you should worry about your team getting burned on 4th and forever in a bowl game. again.

  • bj
    Nov. 27, 2007 6:40 p.m.

    years ago coach croton commenting on the holy war reminisced about coaching a BC/NotreDame game. he saw the priests on one side praying fo ND and the Jesuites praying for BC and said to himself God isn't here - he's at the BYU Utah Game!

  • Cowboys
    Nov. 27, 2007 6:35 p.m.

    They used to say that they didn't finish putting the roof on the top of the Dallas Cowboy Stadium so God could watch his team play.

    Just glad it was said in Texas so as not to offend any hypersensitive Ute fans.

  • re:Sweet
    Nov. 27, 2007 6:31 p.m.

    Before I take your "offense" and become offended, could you type your theory in a coherent statement, so I could then decide if I am offended or not.

    Thanks a bunch there spanky...

  • Agenda
    Nov. 27, 2007 6:31 p.m.

    If you have ever meant to say something - and it came out a little differently than you intended - THEN GET OFF OF COLLIE"S BACK.

    It is amazing to me how people interpret what Collie said according to THEIR OWN AGENDA.

    Collie has said, in no uncertain terms, that he WAS NOT saying God determined the outcome of the game - period. Enough said.

    I find it amusing how many U fans play the "self-righteous" card when it comes to BYU.

    How self-righteous is it to take a comment by Collie, a 21 or 22-year old, place your own spin on it, and then accuse not only Collie, but ALL BYU fans of being self-righteous - because of the spin you put on the comment???

    Not only is it hypocritical, but it is SELF-RIGHTEOUS to the nth degree - and all because you are upset that you lost a stupid football game!

    I think there are a lot of people who are willing to throw Collie under the bus, not because of what he said, but in an effort to get the upper hand in a "football rivalry".

    Pretty pathetic.

  • Roy
    Nov. 27, 2007 6:19 p.m.

    What a waste of precious breath and time. Like many other previous writers here, I have literally heard many hundreds of such comments by players in a variety of sports in Arkansas, Mississippi, Oklahoma, Texas, Washington, etc. I have never heard of anyone complain until Collie's comment Saturday. I love all the mind reading that has been spewed out by the media and some individuals. This is nothing more or less than very thinly disguised Mormon bashing or Mormon (irrational)defensiveness. I sometimes think there are a few LDS folks would be agreeable (and even apologetic) if there was a groundswell of non LDS public opinion to run Mormons out of Salt Lake City or Utah. I think Austin's reaction is accuarate: "Get a life" and move on to something that is really important. If you don't like Collie's or any other athlete's faith based comments, don't like and don't like it for decades if you want but shut up and focus on cleaning up or keeping clean and pristine your own verbalizations.

  • Divine intervention
    Nov. 27, 2007 6:10 p.m.

    What's all the fuss about? In the medical profession (and I'm sure many others), people ask for help from the Lord daily. Russell M. Nelson has told the story of being inspired in his work as a heart surgeon. If it's ok to receive inspiration in these circumstances why would it not be ok for anyone in any other profession receive or expect inspiration? I'm sure that Austin prays daily for guidance in his academic endeavors, and I think it's only right for him to pray for the same on the field. Just like studying for a test, if you put forth a good effort and study hard you can expect help from the Lord to remember the things you've studied. Austin, and I'm sure other athletes at other schools can expect the same in regards to athletics. If they work hard and practice right (live right on the field), they can expect help in improving/magnifying their talents. Austin feels that he has been helped in regards to football, and I have no problem with him sharing that feeling(or any other athletes from doing the same). I know it makes me better in my profession when helped from above.

  • The sweetness of offence
    Nov. 27, 2007 6:08 p.m.

    Bottom line, people love to be offended. "I'm offended", "I'm hurt" especially Mormons. Offence is like Mormon beer. The more the merrier, I guess. Austin offended us, thats why we "hate BYU". etc, etc, It is so funny, so Utah. Listen, folks, I hate to be the barer of obviousness but if you are offended YOU CHOSE TO! and if you HATE someone or something YOU CHOSE TO. It is simlply an only because you are a hatefull, take offence full person. Unless I missed the "control others course" growing up. You control your own emotions, thoughts, feelings. So at least preface your hate and intolerance by saying: " I like to be offended, I chose to hate BYU.

    Here's one guy that thinks it is soooooo funny that you have rendered such power to us. We control you I guess, and who you like and who you hate. Sweet. Here's one: Be sad and mad all year about BYU's Magic!

    HA HA HA HA, do you hate me now? offended?


  • tired of whining
    Nov. 27, 2007 6:05 p.m.

    How is Austin Collie recognizing God in something he did successfully and different from an actor thanking God at an awards ceremony?

    I am a mormon. I am not offended or embarrassed by what Collie said. Sometimes the truth hurts!

  • me
    Nov. 27, 2007 6:03 p.m.

    if you believe the Lord answers prayers, he answered mine when Max and Austin hooked up on that play, and Harvey Unga punched it into the endzone, and then Austin and Max hooked up again. Way to go cougs!!!!

  • CTR
    Nov. 27, 2007 6:03 p.m.

    Did the young faithful Austin really respond to his 'my team is more righteous than your team' comments by saying, "I really think it's because I'm a Mormon white kid from Brigham Young University"...
    What a tough cross to bear being a white Mormon on full ride scholarship in a city that's 99% white. I cannot believe he is naive enough to pull the persecution card. Act like an adult and own your words. God doesn't win football games. Why do you have such a hard time admiting you have darn good team and were fortunate enough the utes can't play defense in the last 2 minutes of a game.
    Choose The Red-

  • Doink!
    Nov. 27, 2007 6:01 p.m.

    Remember the year of the Doink? Utah fans were dancing in the stands. A chip shot field goal is all that Utah needed to beat BYU. The snap, the kick, the ball sails end-over-end toward the north goal posts. All of Utah held its collective breath. Then . . . Doink! The ball hit the goal post and fell short.

    And who says God doesn't root for the Cougars??

  • anoyomus
    Nov. 27, 2007 5:51 p.m.

    After living in Utah for over 20 years and loving the quality of life here I spent the last two years in the South (the Bible belt). There are many God fearing people here and there. My children were able to find great friends with high moral standards here and there. However the one thing I miss the most moving back to Utah is the much more responsible and mature media.

    The Utah media is completely irresponsible and want nothing more than to incite needless controversy to promote themselves.

  • wYo8
    Nov. 27, 2007 5:45 p.m.

    read sorenson article today about Yewts BB coach and in state rivals. He quotes Twitt about the Holy War being just another game. The clock counting down seems to say other wise. But he knows exactly what Collies statement implied. Double standard no doubt.

  • Debbie
    Nov. 27, 2007 5:42 p.m.

    How ridiculous that anyone would think the Lord blesses them because they play for BYU! There are LDS players on many teams around the country so who is the Lord supposed to favor? I think officiating, preparation etc has more to do with it. Keep your preaching away from the game. I am LDS but I don't think BYU is favored over anyone because you live right. What about all your players who aren't LDS who break the school's ethics code? Do you get punished for them? I don't think so either. Now all we need is the testimony meeting like John Beck would do!!!!

  • bj
    Nov. 27, 2007 5:40 p.m.

    ute fans and reporters "get a life"? are you crazy? will never happen.

  • Robo
    Nov. 27, 2007 5:15 p.m.

    What if he does think God helped BYU win the game? How's that any skin off of your nose?

  • Snooze
    Nov. 27, 2007 5:06 p.m.

    No football fan outside of the mtn. viewing area cares either way about BYU or it's football team. This whole thing is a none issue. Get over it. Get past it. Move on.

  • C
    Nov. 27, 2007 5:06 p.m.

    I've read through all the comments and it seems that many people are agreeing with Collie on one point. "Get a life." So am I to understand that simply because someone disagrees with you or takes offense to something you've said, that gives you the right to simply dismiss their feelings or their opinion?

    Or am I to understand that because a part of me was offended by Collie's comments that I've become self righteous and closed minded? I think he could have worded it differently. If he wants to thank God for allowing him to play his best and help his team to victory, that's fine. In fact, I applaud him for doing so.

    The moment he implies that the Lord rewarded his way of living in the form of a football victory I lose all respect I may have had for him. God does play a part in every aspect of our lives. However, he has better things to do then care about the outcome of the "holy war."

    I am a Ute fan and I will admit the better team won. I just hope next year players will choose their words a bit more wisely.

  • reasonable man
    Nov. 27, 2007 5:03 p.m.

    One more thought.

    As a controversy, this is idiotic. This is a non-issue.

    This is a kid saying something that almost everyone is taking out of context, and then using their interpretation of the remarks to bash the kid, his school and his church.

    After all, he is only 21 or 22. What did you expect, that everything he would say would be so well crafted that no one would ever disagree with it?

    This whole thing is a stupid and senseless controversy. To use it to bash a school or a religion is just dumb and really intolerant. Cut the kid some slack -- don't you think he was a little excited? And who doesn't get their back up just a little when attacked as a result of someone's interpretation of what was said? Sheesh.

    It just seems like someone wants to fuel a fire that shouldn't be burning at all.

  • Coug in PA
    Nov. 27, 2007 5:04 p.m.

    I'm not in Utah, and truth is anyone outside the Utah-BYU rivalry wouldn't give a darn about Collie's statements. I agree with him...if it bothers you then "get a life" and get over it.

    Collie is a class act!

  • Silly
    Nov. 27, 2007 4:57 p.m.

    What if the Utes had won and a player on their team said the same thing? It would be no big deal and this is also no big deal.

    I think Collie's comment reflects his own view of his own performance. He felt assisted by a higher power. Nothing wrong with that. I think the Utes got some divine help when they scored their TD.

    Collie said he felt like he received divine help. I think it is a great show of faith.

  • Thanking GOD
    Nov. 27, 2007 4:56 p.m.

    He didnt thank GOD, he didnt give god credit for helping them like the others do... he basically said god helped him cuz of the way he lives his life. Where have you EVER HEARD someone brag about the way they live their lives? Thats where the problem was

  • BMG
    Nov. 27, 2007 4:50 p.m.

    We need separation of church and football. They are not like the armies of Helaman. God did not, as Collie suggested "steps in and plays a part in it." Lets be clear about something, and if you disagreee, you must be going to a different LDS church than I go to: God may have given him swift legs, a strong body, a smart brain, and a healthy attitude, which he should appropriately be thankful for. He DID NOT, by anyone's religion, "step in" and make it so Collie got open, caught the football, and caused him to score six points. This, God did NOT cause to have happen and should not be given credit for it.
    Again, we need separation of church and football.

  • Proof God cares about sports...
    Nov. 27, 2007 4:51 p.m.

    Genesis: "In the Big-inning, God created...."

  • GO BYU
    Nov. 27, 2007 4:45 p.m.


  • Cougar
    Nov. 27, 2007 4:32 p.m.

    Well said xenith ... I agree with all the way

  • Mark in Ohio
    Nov. 27, 2007 4:20 p.m.

    It's interesting that only those associated with the U of U are the only ones who even bat an eye what Collie said. Out here in the real world, Collie's comments are no different than any other deviout athlete, regardless of religious affiliation. I think Utes are simply super-sensitive to this subject. No one else is.

  • LDS Ute
    Nov. 27, 2007 4:17 p.m.

    It's not necessarily Collie's comment that causes outrage. It's the simple fact that the predominant religion in the state has people who preach that they are the "chosen few." So any comment directly or indirectly made in this context will cause a furor. SOME PEOPLE in our faith will never understand that while unfortunate, WE ALL speak for our religion. It is a religion (like all) of God but represented by the people. So when a few act like fools, something like this gets blown out of proportion. Please remember this next time you act superior to someone else's beliefs, or worse ostracize them from the "Members of the True Church". It's up to each of you to promote goodness, not self righteousness.

  • TellingTheTruth?
    Nov. 27, 2007 4:15 p.m.

    My goodness what a mess...

    Football is just a game, not life but many of you seem to think it is.

    Was Collie right to think God has blessed him to be successful in football? Yes, because he has been and thanking God for it is natural. Even if thanking God during a post-game interview isn't viewed as appropriate.

    The sad state of affairs in Utah(because I have lived there)is that some of the locals just don't like us Mormons. They think, I believe that we should keep our thoughts and opinions to ourseleves.

    They don't want to hear that we believe that The Church of Jesus Christ of Lastter Day Saints is the kingdom of God on earth.

    Now I know that this has nothing to do with football, but that is the brunt of the critcism we as Latter-Day-Saints bear in all this.

    Now I have a testimony of the Gospel of Jesus Chrsit and there are folks who will disagree with me. But that is their problem, not mine.

    But no one wants to hear it publicly. The reason why this probably won't be posted, right?

    But Austin has a right to thank God for his blessings?

  • Anyone Remember?
    Nov. 27, 2007 4:05 p.m.

    Coach Whit said something two years when the utes were 3-4 and faltering badly in the 4th quarter of games. He was trying to figure out what the utes were doing mon-friday that was translating into problems on Saturday. He specifically wondered if his guys were "living right" and if that had anything to do with their losing ways. He didn't have any proof of wrongdoing by his players but he was speculating that something was up.

    I found it a bit ironic after utah fans have balked at Austin's correlation of "living right" and how the game turned out. Is their a direct correlation? No. However, it sure seems Kyle and Austin were saying the same thing. I sure don't see much difference.

  • Who cares
    Nov. 27, 2007 3:59 p.m.

    This is an example of people fishing for news. Sports writers, columnists, and bitter Utah fans that have nothing better to do than look for any excuse to call BYU arrogant or self righteous. Get on with your lives Utah fans and start looking forward to gymnastics season.

  • xenith
    Nov. 27, 2007 3:38 p.m.

    You people have no idea how stupid you all look on both sides of this little arguement. Most of the writers in Utah are considered Hacks otherwise they would be in a bigger newspaper coverage area. Noone in the rest of the country even cares if a player thinks or beleives he was blessed by god. They appreciate his humility for that moment. but seriously those of you who think the cougs are more righteous get over yourselves. and you utes that are somehow feeling so insecure you have to attack a college kid that has stronger beleifs in god than you do also need to getover yourselves.

  • kcmm
    Nov. 27, 2007 3:34 p.m.

    Maybe if he would have taken all of the credit for himself and his own abilities and maybe even spoke about himself in 3rd person as some other athletes have done, that would have pacified the world/critics. Give the guy a break, he is very young and was just grateful. He said some things in an impromptu interview, that he hadn't totally thought out. Live and Learn. Maybe Bronco, the Master of Political Correctness, will give him a few pointers in the off season... Read all you want to into his comments, but I don't think he was trying to dog anyone, he was just expressing appreciation to God...

  • Brent
    Nov. 27, 2007 3:29 p.m.

    This was a well played game by two fine teams. BYU WON. Wow, still upset by reference to Diety. Get over it bitter yewts!!!!


  • Moses
    Nov. 27, 2007 3:25 p.m.

    How do we know God doesn't care about football? Go deep Peter, James and John. I just think Collies remarks should have been done in private, between he and his maker. He does make a good point in that religious overtones are shown by other athletes all the time.

  • HooperCougar
    Nov. 27, 2007 3:19 p.m.

    SHHH! Please don't anyone tell the yewts... HARLINE & COLLIE ARE STILL OPEN!!! GO COUGARS!!!!

  • Why so much controversy?
    Nov. 27, 2007 3:19 p.m.

    Honestly, how many times have you seen and heard a player from the south praise God and thank Him for the ability to make the plays he did, which helped his team win the game? I've heard it countless times. Why can't a Mormon say the same thing? Can he not attribute success in his life to blessings from God? Is that reserved for other Christians? Everyone needs to relax and realize this happens after almost every football game. Collie should not be criticized for making such remarks. I do not think in any way he meant that God wanted BYU to win over Utah. Everyone just tried to make it sound that way to cause controversy.

  • Anonymous
    Nov. 27, 2007 3:18 p.m.

    It must be a difficult and frustrating life-CHOOSING to take offense at every little comment out of everyone's mouth, whether they meant it to be offensive or not.

  • Deck Max Hall with bows of...
    Nov. 27, 2007 3:17 p.m.

    What a season to spend with
    family and friends. Snow outside
    and another MWC CHAMPIONSHIP!
    15 Straight CONF. VICTORIES!!
    and bent, angry Utah Fans!!!
    oh and BYU hoops ranked and
    powerful!!! Man it's good
    to be BLUE!!!
    GO BYU!!!!!
    wonder if we'll kill'em in
    baseball too???

  • The Church of Football!
    Nov. 27, 2007 3:12 p.m.

    Get ready for a full Church offense in
    2008 Utah! Collie, Hall and Unga!!!

  • Swede
    Nov. 27, 2007 3:12 p.m.

    It is very obvious that "The Bubble" has initiated an orchestrated Collie statement commentary! It was a dumb comment from AC and plays into the already negative perception that BYU & Mormons are favored!!

    The Lord cares about the individual but doesn't much care as to who wins a football game.

  • AZ Coug
    Nov. 27, 2007 3:00 p.m.

    He's not at all saying that BYU is blessed for "living right". He said "on and off the field", reffering to himself living right, and possibly including Max Hall in the comment.
    He's free to say that "on and off the field" they are giving 100 percent and being blessed for it (whether on the practice field or in life).
    The backlash is due to over-sensitivity to spiritual issues. Think outside the bubble of Happy Valley before over reacting to what the rest of the world just calls "gratitude" to a higher power.
    Enough of this "Holy War" talk. I cringe everytime they say that. Unless of course you're saying it's a Good Vs Evil thing...then I'm with you! The Devil is red, people! Go Cougs!

  • Mark
    Nov. 27, 2007 2:58 p.m.

    No God doesn't care about football games. I asked Him and He said that He is more into soccer. More of his children play that sport and like any good Father, he tries to attend the games, but current events have kept Him busy at the office lately.

  • Faith=SUCCESS!!!
    Nov. 27, 2007 2:56 p.m.

    People including athletes of faith are:

  • Japan Coug
    Nov. 27, 2007 2:55 p.m.

    The (over)reaction to Collie's comments about God is unwarranted. His original comments were no different from other athletes who thank God for their success. The worse that can be said is that maybe he should have considered that his comments might be misconstrued or misunderstood, given that he represents BYU.

    However, one thing does bother me about Collie's comments in this article, and some of the comments from DesNews readers. I don't understand what being white has to do with this, or why Collie and others felt the need to mention that he's white and that his whiteness somehow affected public reaction. This is silly, and shows how out of touch some people are about race. Does anyone really think that the reaction would have been different if he had been a Polynesian, black, or Hispanic RM playing for BYU? IMO, white athletes are just as likely as others to thank God for helping them (just listen to Kurt Warner, John Kitna, and many Latin baseball players). His comments seem to imply that either non-whites get special treatment, or are more likely to invoke God than whites are. This seems more insensitive (or ignorant) than anything he said about God.

  • BYU Fan
    Nov. 27, 2007 2:50 p.m.

    Great game. I wish I could have seen that play on TV instead of listening to it on the radio. God doesn't care about football. He only cares about the way we treat each other.

  • Life-long Utah Resident
    Nov. 27, 2007 2:49 p.m.

    I want to disagree completely with BMan's comments about BYU students/fans thinking they are better than Utes. I've lived in Utah for a long time, and I have associated with hundreds of BYU and Utah students during that time.

    You might find 1 out of every thousand BYU students who actually thinks he is morally or spiritually superior to Utah students solely because he goes to BYU (intellectually is another matter -- most students will defend their education and proclaim its superiority).

    On the other hand, you'll find just as many Ute fans -- if not more -- who consider themselves superior to BYU fans because they don't go to such a "narrow-minded" school.

    Both sides are obviously wrong -- people are people anywhere they are --

    And by the way, Austin wasn't saying BYU won because the Lord loves BYU more than Utah -- so let's not act like we Utahns are all offended or ashamed by his remarks because we're not.

    Bottom line is: who cares?

  • jim h
    Nov. 27, 2007 2:46 p.m.

    "God made me healthy, wealthy, pretty, smart and I get to win games because I am righteous." ARROGANCE

    "I thank God for his blessings, I will strive to do the right things." HUMILITY

    It's startling how many "religious" people can't spot the difference. Might make a good sunday school lesson.

  • Golden Hurricane(9-3)
    Nov. 27, 2007 2:45 p.m.

    Congrats to BYU! You are the best team we played this year and yes even better than OU. You won your conference(MWC) and we are in the Championship in
    C-USA. We wish you luck at SDSU and in Vegas. We are a better loss than UCLA trust us we'd beat them good with their weak DBs!
    GO TULSA!!!!!

  • If god blesses me?
    Nov. 27, 2007 2:42 p.m.

    In the interview, Collie gave kudos to Max Hall, practice, play execution, living right, the lord and magic as to the success of what has been coined a miracle play.

    It seems strange to me to think that people are treating this interview as self righteous and a mistake.

    The reasoning against Collie is,

    IF living right and the lord favored Collie on this play, THEN the lord loves Collie (BYU) and not the U.

    Does that mean Collie also thinks that the U has no magic, and does not practice, is incapable of play execution?

    The reasoning suggests an IF/THEN scenario.

    IF a coach after a win talks about all the practice and hard work the team did the past week, THEN he must think the other team sat around watching daytime TV.

    IF I thank the lord for my job, THEN I believe people who didnt get the job are not loved by god.

    IF I thank the lord for safe travel, THEN I believe all the people who got in accidents where not loved by god.

    I must be self righteous. IF I stop thanking god, THEN god will bless other people too.

  • ND Fan For Life
    Nov. 27, 2007 2:33 p.m.

    A few thoughts:
    - Had Collie been at Notre Dame (let's pretend for a minute that the team was actually winning games) and made a comment like that after a USC game, he would have likely received the same criticism. Players at religious schools are more like to be scrutinized for making comments about God. (I can think of a few cases where comments by ND players were subjected to the same scrutiny)
    - I will admit that when I firt heard Collie's comment, I interpreted it as a holier than thou comment. Now I have no doubt that this comment was not made with any malice or meant to be high-minded. However, the religious arrogance that can be excerted by some mormons in Utah results in the over sensitivity being shown in this case.
    - And finally, talent and hard work may have helped BYU win that game, but God doesn't care about football.

  • TrueBlue
    Nov. 27, 2007 2:25 p.m.

    I honestly think that Austin's comment had nothing to do with the fact that the game was BYU vs Utah. I think that he was grateful for the fact that he had the priviledge of making such a big play. It was 4th and 18, it wouldn't have mattered who BYU was playing. Going back and reading the context of his answer, it seemed to me like he was just thrilled with making the big play, and he felt that such a wonderful blessing was God given. When he was scrutinized for his comment, he was aware of why people responded the way they did. So, like myself, being a BYU fan and a mormon, I think he's just sick and tired of people criticizing us for everything we say and do.

  • Wow
    Nov. 27, 2007 2:20 p.m.

    We have taken some comments made by a young football player and turned them into major reasons to hate:

    Austin Collie
    Sports writers
    BYU fans
    UU fans
    LDS Church members
    All those living in Utah
    All non-Mormons

    No wonder there are so many wars around the world.

  • BYU fan
    Nov. 27, 2007 2:17 p.m.

    Austin should have spoken more carefully.

    It was right after an emotional victory and in response to an unexpected question - he is young - I suggest we all forgive him.

    Many who are piling on BYU as being self righteous are still hurting over a very close loss. I understand that hurt as it has happened to my teams as well. I suggest we all forgive them.

    Journalists have used this subject ad naseum to further their craft and improve their ratings. They have kids to feed and perhaps now wish they would have kept a better perspective. I suggest we all forgive them.

    Collie will hopefully learn.
    We as fans will hopefully learn.
    Local Journalists will hopefully learn.

  • East Coaster
    Nov. 27, 2007 2:15 p.m.

    This is truly an amazing discussion and I can hardly believe the number of comments it has generated. I for one am not one to respond to things like this, but I'm making an exception here.

    Collie's comment reflects one of the major reasons I want to send my 5 children to that school. I am proud to hear someone like that is willing to openly speak about his faith. If Collie walks his talk, that makes him a great example; one I will not hesitate to share with my children and remind them it's possible to be successful while maintaining your values.

    By the way, I feel pretty sad for those of you who feel God doesn't care about football. I believe God cares about His children being happy. I believe God wants us to and helps us accomplish our personal goals. Of course things don't always go our way and there are reasons for that, but I for one am grateful for that kind of faith.

  • BMan
    Nov. 27, 2007 2:12 p.m.

    Having grown up just outside of Provo as a church member, and having graduated from BOTH BYU and Utah after serving a mission, I believe those who make Austin's remarks appear benign and not unlike others talking or expressing their religious beliefs are completely missing the underlying significance of his words. The bottom line is that Austin's remarks offended and hurt many in this state whether they are church members or not because his words bolster the very real perception that many, but certainly not all, BYU fans feel (and sometimes express ) they are intellectually, morally and spiritually superior to their neighbors up north. Which, ironically, goes against the very tenants and teachings of the religion and its cornerstone - Jesus Christ. Therefore, I would hope Austin and others have learned something from this situation, but judging from Collie's response that people need to "get a life" and others responses above, I sadly don't think many have.

  • Unga - Needs to learn
    Nov. 27, 2007 2:08 p.m.

    Mr Ungha needs to learn from Brother Collie. If only he were more righteous he would have cought that pass. Maybe he can rectify that by next game.

    If BYU really wants to be righteous and win all their games Bronco needs to be fired and replced by President Hinckley.

  • situations
    Nov. 27, 2007 2:05 p.m.

    although I am adding to this problem, everyone from both sides has blown this into a bigger issue then it needs to be. No matter where you come from your gong to get bashed for your beliefs, sure Collie faced some critism but lets face it he did kind of say it in an unfamiliar way to most other people, so of course people are going to take it the wrong way. Now, for the people trashing Collie, who cares he has the right to believe in God, and believe that God plays a role in his life. He's one of the best receivers out there so who can really argue with him if he wants to credit God for his success and not himself.

  • No Matter What He Said
    Nov. 27, 2007 2:03 p.m.

    No matter what Collie said...How many MILLION times have we all heard guys "thank God" or "I just believe my faith in Jesus helped me overcome" etc. etc. etc. I remember what a big deal the reverend Reggie White was and he used to say that kind of stuff non-stop. So saying that because he's a white kid at BYU draws the attention - AMEN. And heck I'm an ex-mormon who hates the arrogance of some. But it is no different than Evander Holyfield saying God played a hand in his boxing win etc. etc. etc. And on and on and on!!!

  • Ute Fans
    Nov. 27, 2007 2:01 p.m.

    The only part I think is hilarious is that Ute Fans are concerning themselves with this. The Utes played a good game and came up short. Don't get mad at a 22-year old player because your team lost. Whether you agree with his comments or not, why don't you keep your comments to yourself as that is what you are telling him to do.

  • Anonymous
    Nov. 27, 2007 1:59 p.m.

    Whoa, he's right! If he were African-American and Baptist no one would've thought twice. In fact, if he were himself in any other state, no one would've thought twice. It's just a matter of everyone in Utah being overly sensitive about the Mormon thing. Just more of that Us v. Them mentality that runs down the Wasatch Front. Utahns relax!

  • Give me a break
    Nov. 27, 2007 1:53 p.m.

    How many have prayed for help on a test that they studied for hours for, and expressed thanks when they did well on that test? Did God favor them more than the kid that did poorly?

    Give me a break. He wasn't claiming that he or BYU was better than the Utes. He was simply acknowledging that God helped them to play to their abilities, to perform as they practiced. He's trying to give some due credit to God. It wasn't a lucky play. They prepared for it. He felt they blessed to perform to their abilities, and felt that the blessing came as a result of living right. This is what every LDS member believes. Whether it be a musical performance, job interview, test, or athletic event...

  • Ute Fans
    Nov. 27, 2007 1:47 p.m.

    Most of you are a bunch of sore losers

  • Funny
    Nov. 27, 2007 1:47 p.m.

    So does that mean Austin and his team mates were naughty during the week of UCLA and Tulsa? Or how about during the crowton years.

    People there is a huge difference for thanking god for looking out for you not being injured or thanking him for your gifts.

    Like it or not his word imply he was more rightous on and off the field than his counterparts.

    Put down the 44 oz Diet Coke and BYU pen and think about it.

  • Mr. BYU
    Nov. 27, 2007 1:43 p.m.

    Mr. "Westernsport and NY", you are the ones who are clueless! Austin Collie did NOT say "I'm glad that the good Lord blessed me to be better than all the other football players & that he helped BYU win the game".

    Are you saying that The Lord does NOT bless those who work hard and asks for his help in all things? Collie is merely saying what most of us who have been taught the gospel have learned that if you do what is right and ask the almighty for help then in many cases you will be blessed--as he feels was the case here.

    The Lord doesn't just bless in spiritual things but if the almighty sees fit then he will bless with temporal blessings as well. Collie has obviously been blessed with great athletic skills and in this instance the concentration to catch that great pass. If you don't believe that then you better brush up on the teachings by going to church meetings more often.

  • what a joke
    Nov. 27, 2007 1:40 p.m.

    The joke here is how long it took me to read all of these comments. What a waste of time that was. I feel even worse about it that I'm now adding to all of this. Visitor at 11:07 had it exactly right. Why is it ok for a ute player to yell out "Where is your God now?" after scoring but wrong for a player to acknowledge God after making a big play?

    Austin was simply acknowledging that his God has given him the ability to play this game and that by doing his best (both on and off the field) in his schoolwork, training, life, etc. he has reeped blessings. Some of his blessings include speed and football sense among others. He never said, nor do I believe, implied that BYU won because their players are more righteous. To those of you that take such huge offense at such a little thing really have some issues. I've seen many like you that have left the church or other organizations by taking offense at little issues over who said something. If you bishop states that his family is blessed and prospering because he's doing his best to be......

  • Swine
    Nov. 27, 2007 1:41 p.m.

    I think the quote to remember is "Don't cast your pearls before swine!" Why is it OK to pray to have help on a test, but not OK to pray to catch a ball? Why is it OK to recognize God for your health or a good job, but not for the skills that you have that helped you win a game? Obviously, Collie's only mistake was sharing his pearls with swine. What does that say about those that dont like his comment?

  • Bitter Utah Fans
    Nov. 27, 2007 1:39 p.m.

    It all depends on how you want to look at it. If you want Collie to be a self righteous punk who thinks he is better than "Ute players" than you can make him that. If you want him to be a humble, spiritual guy giving credit where it is deserved, than so be it. We have all said something that can be taken the wrong way, but the only person who knows what we were really trying to say is the person who said it. I don't know Collie personally, but I would venture to say that he wasn't trying to say that he was more righteous. I just love how we are so quick to judge a person by one single comment that in most cases would be considered a great comment. And then to generalize it and say, "that is why I hate BYU Mormons". To me that is ignorance. Collie said it and it is over. What his real feelings are, who knows. Don't make it into another reason to "hate BYU Mormons". That is what is ridiculous.

  • Blake
    Nov. 27, 2007 1:36 p.m.

    This guy is obviously ridiculous! Yes Mr. BYU, God took time from all the genocide in Sudan, the victims of the cyclone in Bangladesh and the horrible conditions in Africa to ensure that BYU one a football game. Seriously! Step outside of yourself for a you really think that you are that important! You need to get a life, not the people that are point out how ridiculous your comment is.

  • Tate
    Nov. 27, 2007 1:36 p.m.

    Why isn't anyone talking about Tate flipping off all of BYU's fans? Why do we spend so much time talking about Collie saying he worked hard and no time at all about how rude Tate and the other utah football players were?

  • Guardian Angel
    Nov. 27, 2007 1:36 p.m.

    You are all wrong. It's not that God likes and favors BYU, he just can't stand the U.

  • The Big Picture
    Nov. 27, 2007 1:32 p.m.

    Don't trash this kid because of his beliefs. If he truely believes that is the reason for his success who are we to take that from him. Not to mention the fact that he goes to a PRIVATE, religious institution. Personally I don't think God cares about sports, but he does about all of our lives and what we personally need. If you don't like that, DEAL WITH IT, I'm not going to change and neither should Collie.

  • To All BYU Commentors
    Nov. 27, 2007 1:27 p.m.

    Let's get one thing straight. You all keep defending Collie saying there's nothing wrong with thanking the Lord or saying the Lord can bless you. You're right there's not. But that's not what Collie said. The last part of his statement is what really gets him into trouble "Magic Happens" That line, whether he meant it or not suggests the Lord helped him get wide open to miraculously get out of a huge jam for BYU and convert the near impossible 4th and 18. If he would've said he prayed to the Lord for strength and to play his best he would've been fine. He chose his words very poorly. You have to admit that much! What he meant can be up for speculation, but everyone has to agree he did not choose his words wisely, regardless of what point he wanted to get across.

  • CCR Ute
    Nov. 27, 2007 1:26 p.m.

    It's not that Collie thanked God for his athletic ability that helped him make the catch, which would have been fine, he said that because he did the "right" thing off the field, he was "blessed" and the play was made. "Magic". Is he saying that those who have failures on the field are not living "right"? How many times do bad things happen to good people? Are they not righteous as well? As an LDS Ute, I cringe whenever BYU players/fans play this card. People are not getting on Collie for praising God, they are upset because he made his own spirituality the reason for his success. God blesses all of us in all we do, but we also all fail, every day, even good people. If Collie had not made the catch, I doubt he would have said that he was living "right" and that God blessed him to miss the catch to give him a chance to learn from his mistakes. BYU fans, this has nothing to do with Mormonism, but everything to do with humility and class.

  • Mike S. Fan
    Nov. 27, 2007 1:06 p.m.

    Way to go Mike! You've done you job perfectly. I for one can't wait for your next insightful column. I just hope your OPINIONS continue to stir such emotions, so we can all be entertained by this ridiculous banter.

  • Forever Strong
    Nov. 27, 2007 1:04 p.m.

    Collie reiterated what is said in the locker room. It's obvious that they're encouraged to live right off the field. Can't fault anyone for fact, have to praise people for that. But his comment was a mistake. I agree with Sorensen that it does imply that BYU is more righteous than Utah. That may not have been what Collie intended, but that's how it came across. I'm glad Bronco has them bought into the system, but the comments to the media need to be tempered. I recently saw a screening of "Forever Strong." It's a movie that all will love. It's the story of the Highland High Rugby team and the great Coach Gelwix. One of the secrets to their success is that they live right off the field. They serve in the community, they are punished for use of illegal substances or breaking team rules...they are taught to live a strict code. Living "right" improves self-esteem...that's going to translate into improved performance in any field. I commend BYU's ability to clean up from previous years' embarrassment, but the comment he made was a Holier than Thou comment. A mistake he won't repeat.

  • Something to think about
    Nov. 27, 2007 1:01 p.m.

    Anyone doubt that some Utah players prayed before the game that they would play well?

    Anyone doubt that Utah also has a lot of good (honest, religious, etc...) student athletes?

    Is it really self-righteous to say you were blessed by God?

    Too many people are treating this as a mutually exclusive comment (If Austin is living right and was blessed...He must think he is better than me because I lost). Can't it just mean he thinks the Lord blessed him?

    How many of us have been promoted or recieved a prestigous award? How many of us have privately told our family and friends that we felt "the Lord stepped in" and "blessed" us with such promotion or award? Does that make you self-righteous because you got it and someone else didn't? How many of us would be accused of being self-righteous if we announced to the the media (and the 50 other applicants who didn't get the promotion) that "the Lord stepped in" and "blessed" you with this job.

    Probably all of us!

    Hmmmm...the message didn't change but the reception sure did. I don't believe any offense was meant so I am choosing to give the guy a break.

  • Utes that misunderstand
    Nov. 27, 2007 12:57 p.m.

    Collie is not perfect. But there is nothing wrong with him saying that living right results in blessings in whatever you do. Should he say that living wrong gets you blessings? Should he say god doesn't care about football players actions off the field? Also, telling belligerent Utah fans (including columnists) to get a life is actually great advice and you should be thankful. To all the other Utah fans that don't care, I applaud you.

  • From Afar
    Nov. 27, 2007 12:56 p.m.

    I am a native Utahn, devout LDS, and now live in the South. I am aware of the stereotype that is present in relation to 'redneck' lifestyle. While we have been treated so very well here by new friends and neighbors (much better than we were treated in Utah), there are some who do perpetuate this stereotype, to the disadvantage of others.

    There is also the stereotype of BYU as being a self-righteous, holier-than-thou institution, and that has spilled-over into people's perception of the LDS Church. Sadly, Austin Collie's comments, and the comments of those responding here, have only perpetuated this stereotype. Austin Collie's comments CLEARLY indicated that he believed divine intervention on his play on the last drive. It is one thing to have divine intervention in your belhalf when trying to better your position in life, it is another to claim intervention at the expense of another of Heavenly Father's children.

    Then, when people take issue with his comments, Austin cowardly tries to play the martyr and makes himself, and what he represents, look even worse. It would be hard for friends to see that conduct form one of or own, and then believe my words.

  • We have a right
    Nov. 27, 2007 12:56 p.m.

    People have a right to thank God if they want.

    To all of you criticizing Collie for this, are you somehow able to divine that God did not help him?

    Do you know all of the circumstances surrounding this and exactly what had been going on in his life that he might have had to overcome?

    You don't know everything he's been going through and I guess he feels like he has recieved help from above for trying his best to do the right things.

    For anyone to criticize him for what he said is pretty cruel and insensitive and plain ignorant.

  • BYU Alum Utah Fan
    Nov. 27, 2007 12:51 p.m.

    I agree with Collie's comments, however they were made with poor timing. Had they been made after any other game this year, they would have been brushed off as another BYUism - similar the the comparison of the Title of Liberty to classic football uniforms and the importance of Friday night firesides.

    Unfortunately, they were made after miraculously beating Utah where the rivalry is no longer athletic, it is spiritual. Collie had to know what kind of backlash this would set off.

  • Ute Fan
    Nov. 27, 2007 12:50 p.m.

    I agree with Collie that the uproar is because he is from BYU. Most BYU fans I know winced when they heard his comments because they know that some BYU fans have a reputation for being self righteous. Most BYU fans are great. It is the exception 1% to 5% ? of BYU fans who come accross as self righteous. Unfortunately, this makes it difficult for Collie to talk about his personal spiritual conviction without being lumped in with them.

  • Anonymous
    Nov. 27, 2007 12:49 p.m.

    I have been a BYU football fan for all my life. I inherited that from my grand father who took all his grand children to every game. We sat behind the visitor section and never had a bad experience until the Utah game would come to town. Every time this game took place in Provo we would endure constant references about the LDS faith. They would sneak in and spray beer on the Ys fans and be completely rude. All this as a protest to BYUs beliefs system. My grand father played football for Utah and lettered. My mother and father graduated from the U. I have no bias, but I find that Ute fans can be as self righteous about their school as any BYU fans. Every year I have to listen to my in-laws talk about their football god, Urban Meyer. Not only do they praise this god but they talk about BYU players, fans and school as if its hell on earth (even though their daughter's a BYU graduate). As much as I love them, there is no one as self righteous as they are when it comes to this football game. I hate this game!

  • just a fan
    Nov. 27, 2007 12:38 p.m.

    don't care what anyone says, byu still thinks they're better than everyone else, especially AUSTIN COLLIE

  • All Hail BYU
    Nov. 27, 2007 12:38 p.m.

    We all know the main reason why Collie is getting this attention from angered Utah FRUTES is because they're beginning to realize maybe the Lord doesn't like them after all.

  • What gives?
    Nov. 27, 2007 12:38 p.m.

    I don't know of too many other people who don't get upset at times when someone criticizes them. True, I think Collie could have handled it better, but he didn't. That doesn't mean you wouldn't either if you were in his spot, so just lay off.

  • Answered prayers
    Nov. 27, 2007 12:38 p.m.

    Hey, I pray for help with things I have to do (work, new projects, realtionships, tests, long road trips, etc.). I feel I've received help with those things in various ways and sometimes I take an opportunity to tell other people about it. The only thing Collie did differently was tell a reporter about it and all that reporter is interested in doing is selling news stories, getting higher radio show ratings, and promoting his own career. To me most reporters are low lifes. Austin will learn to not cast his pearls before swine.

  • Anonymous
    Nov. 27, 2007 12:37 p.m.

    the fact is, no one from any other school would have said this????!

  • Cougs can't win
    Nov. 27, 2007 12:35 p.m.

    Nice job Collie - way to respond and I'm glad so many readers agree - even Ute fans.
    When BYU has players getting in trouble the comments are "I thought you guys didn't live that way, stop being hypocritical..." Then a comment like Collies is interpretted as "stop thinking you guys are better or have God pulling for you" I have to believe that deep down everyone knows what Collie was saying - but the BYU haters had to try to use it as ammunition against the Cougars.
    The Lord's school??? View it how you want - I believe it's the Lord's church and BYU is owned by the church. But I would never think He gives preferential treatment for something as trivial (to Him) as a sporting event.
    I think all athletes can be blessed for treating their bodies and minds right. An option open to anyone, including any athletes on any school's team. With a different environment at BYU and players buying into it, my guess is that there are more doing the right things in a religious sense. Why is it OK to tell recruits to not go to BYU because of the rules?????

  • BYU
    Nov. 27, 2007 12:34 p.m.

    We're so sorry Mr. Sorenson, I know that losing two years in a row must sting very bad. It's tough when your favorite team loses to its rival, especially when you work at the Deseret News, hope your fellow employees are being kind. We are so sorry that Mr. Collie is a Mormon, served a mission, and caught an unreal 4th and 18 to snatch the victory. We are sorry that Mr. Collie acknowledged the Lord in his success. Looking back he should have forgotten the Lord completely and only praised himself for the win. Next year we will change our name from Brigham Young to Bobby Young so that we are not exploiting our religious origin, we will stop praying before games, and we will stop executing on 4th down so that we do not cause you any more pain. Does that sound fair? I wish you the best in dealing with this current set back and again we apologize for all the harm we have caused.

  • Only Collie Knows!
    Nov. 27, 2007 12:33 p.m.

    Surely, the guy was super happy after his team won the so-called 'holy war'. He was happy and said what he said! The Cougars won, the Utes lost! Will it be a 3-peat come next year? I think that's the real question! Mahalo to the Cougs.

  • Why BYU is hated
    Nov. 27, 2007 12:30 p.m.

    Another reason BYU is hated so much. Self-righteous and arrogant. Collie, thanks for reaffirming our hatrid for BYU.

  • Holy War
    Nov. 27, 2007 12:26 p.m.

    I am totally offended by anyone calling the BYU/Utah game a Holy War! Which of these 2 schools is a church school? It's BYU. So, which one is "holy"? It's BYU. So that implies that Utah is not holy. How can you say that it's a "Holy War"? Please stop, it's offensive.

  • SEC Country
    Nov. 27, 2007 12:25 p.m.

    This is not a national news item, only in classless Morman hating Utah is this an issue. The University of Utah, from personal experence, has no respect for any thing good.

  • MWC Champs
    Nov. 27, 2007 12:10 p.m.

    Not once has Collie or anyone else ever said that God helps Cougars and not Utes. He helps those who ask.

  • Thanks
    Nov. 27, 2007 12:05 p.m.

    Thanks, Divinity. God DOES care about football. In fact, he cares about a lot of things that would otherwise be meaningless but for the fact that those things create opportunities for us to develop our relationships with him. The most profound spiritual experiences in my life have arisen from answers to prayers as trivial as, "Please help me find my car keys," or from slighly less trivial things like, "Please help me pass this exam so that I can have a job." Does he care about football? Presumably only to the extent that his intervention lends itself to the spriritual development of his children, but, yes, in those cases (which are many), he does.

    We don't always know when God is or isn't intervening, but I'd rather err on the side of giving him more credit, rather than less credit, than is due. And I certainly don't fault Austin or any player from any other school or religion for doing so, or for acknowledging the hand of God publicly, however inartfully he may have been able to do so when caught in front of a camera at a very emotional moment.

  • Listen to the interview!
    Nov. 27, 2007 12:04 p.m.

    It is amazing how people react in this state about any religious comment, or rather reference made to deity. I just listened to Collies complete interview and am amazed that this has become a comment of discussion. If BYU had lost the game and the interviewer had asked Collie the same questions his response about that specific play would still be valid. The comments were not made about winning the game, but about a play. In the bulk of the interview the comments were about one play. Only in the end, long after the comment, did Collie talk about the game as a whole. Listen to the interview!

  • Texas football fan
    Nov. 27, 2007 12:03 p.m.

    Get a life, people. Down here in the Bible Belt, players pray before a game to insure that God helps them play their best. I've heard all-conference Big XII QB's "thank God who helped me play me best this game--I give all the thanks to Him for helping me pull this out."

    No negative comments like what I've heard here. No "holier than thou" accusations. No arrogance aside. If a player thanks God for helping him play well, isn't that the same as thanking God for helping him win? It's a fine logic point, but let's just move on. Like it or not, Collie thanked God for helping him play well.

    Let's talk about other stuff, like how Utah and BYU, both good teams who played a great game, will do in their respective bowls.

  • It's just like he said
    Nov. 27, 2007 12:03 p.m.

    This is obviously about a lot more than football. Austin simply said that he compared it to anything. Anytime we try our best to do what is right God blesses us, I'm a firm believer in that. Was he arrogant in saying he was trying to do what is right? I don't think so. Did he say he was perfect? No, but according to what he said, he is trying his best to do what's right. Anybody can do the same, and sometimes things turn out, and sometimes they don't.

  • apples to apples
    Nov. 27, 2007 11:57 a.m.

    For a person to say they are blessed due to their own personal righteousness is one thing. To thank God for their success is something else.

    Most athletes you see pointing to the sky are thanking God - not saying they were blessed becaused they deserved it.

  • BYU Grad
    Nov. 27, 2007 11:52 a.m.

    Collie was right to recognize God's hand in his performance. Think about how appropriate his comments would seem in any other aspect of life (school, career, family, etc) and you'll realize that he was simply recognizing God's helping hand, which is fitting considering the time of year.

    While God does not favor one team over another, He also does not stop blessing righteous players once the game starts and then refuse to give blessings until the game is over. This is not how it works. My point is that there are football players from both Utah and BYU who benefit from righteous living, meaning they receive blessings while they are off the field AND when they are on the field. But God still doesn't care who wins.

  • Hypothetical
    Nov. 27, 2007 11:45 a.m.

    What if I apply for a job and do all I can to get that job including live right in order to ask for a blessing? If I get that job am I not right in thanking God for blessing me to get that job? Does that mean he loves me more then he loves the other candidates for the same job? Was Austin unworthy when he got hurt against Tulsa? No. All he is saying is when you work hard and live right you will be blessed.

  • Big Guy Upstairs
    Nov. 27, 2007 11:44 a.m.

    If it's important to you, it's important to me. That's how I've always handled the prayer department. No prayer too trival, but whether I answer or not, well, that's up to me.

  • BBKing
    Nov. 27, 2007 11:43 a.m.

    How many times have I personally watched a football, basketball, baseball, rugby, or hockey player (once) thank G-- for the results of their hard work?

    Mmmm, literally hundreds of times.

    And how is this different? Two ways: First, it gets at the heart of the Holy War, the perception BYU is religious and the Utes are heathens. And two, Collie is Mormon.

    Truth be told there are probably as many Mormons at Utah as there are at BYU but it is perception that plays here. If this had been a Mormon saying this between say USC and UCLA it would have been far less an issue. But I still think and issue, which gets to the Mormon thing.

    In any case, I did not take it that he was saying BYU was chosen by G-- but instead G-- will bless people that work hard.

    This is much to do about nothing. It may even show a hint of antithesitic attitudes by the nerds who are making a big deal of it on the radio. Too bad that under any circumstances the mention of G-- causes such problems. If the Utes had won and someone mentioned G--, sincerely good for them.

  • Henry Drummond
    Nov. 27, 2007 11:41 a.m.


    I moved here from another state and am simply bewildered by all this. Austin's expression of faith is not particularly to my taste, but does it have to be?

    It seems that people in this state are living on a religious powder keg. It never takes much to set things off. It seems like everyone here feels they are persecuted and abused. Maybe we would all be better served by talking to each other rather than at each other.

    Sorry for the sermon, but I have found that people in this State are kind and intelligent and caring and giving and forgiving ... just not with each other. I really don't understand why.

  • Sigh...
    Nov. 27, 2007 11:40 a.m.

    Assuming that God cares about football, why would God care so much about a sport that consistently keeps millions and millions from going to church on Sunday? Is there any sense to this whole argument?

    Weather a team wins or losses makes no significant difference to my day, week, month, or life. The person who advances medicine, or technology makes a significant impact to untold billions.

    Sports junkies are just that.

  • God's School?
    Nov. 27, 2007 11:33 a.m.

    I don't think God stepped in to help Collie. If I recall, he was in South Bend helping the Irish defeat Stanford.

  • Freedom of Speech
    Nov. 27, 2007 11:33 a.m.

    Since when did Freedom of Speech mean "shut up, and don't criticize a football player?"

    Freedom of speech means that when a football player says something dumb, people can point it out. Perhaps the mormons who are offended by the criticism could choose not to be offended, as they have been counseled to do.

  • Utah stupidity
    Nov. 27, 2007 11:32 a.m.

    It's good to be reminded of the silliness I left behind in Utah before coming to Georgia, where high school, college, and professional athletes say things strikingly similar to what Collie said (sometimes even more pointed, and apparently more offensive, as it would seem from some of the responses above), but we just shrug and move on without getting our knickers knotted. God helping your team beat someone else is rather commonplace here. The Georgia God is quite big on sports. It may be compensation for God's failure to preserve the southern lifestyle and secession in that unpleasant affair from 1861 to 1865.

    For what it's worth, from the outside, Collie isn't the one looking like an idiot in this affair. The idiots are the ones who are irate because they assume Collie is saying he is more righteous than they, and then, in a lusciously ironic twist, using Collie's statement to justify their own disdain for BYU -- effectively placing their own righteousness above Collie and anything else BYUish. The latest rendition of the ever-popular "My righteousness trumps yours" argument that has been going on since time immemorial beween BYU and Utah. Idiocy. Just shrug and move on, folks.

  • Listen and maybe you'll learn
    Nov. 27, 2007 11:28 a.m.

    Collie's original comments should his arrogance, and don't deny that cougar fans. To say "the Lord stepped in" is a lot different than giving thanks to God. Collie's reaction to the comments not only solidify his arrogance, but shows he is ignorant as well. He's ignoring the facts of what he said and isn't being responsible for it.
    His ignorance and arrogance remind me of a lot of people on this blog.

  • Tongue in Cheek
    Nov. 27, 2007 11:27 a.m.

    Does anyone remember the scripture where it says that God does not care about football? And why would BYU not be God's favorite team. It is His Church that owns the school, so it should be His football team. I'm not sure why Austin Collie didn't just point this out. Also, the only reason why BYU ever loses in any sport is just so the Lord can humble them. It will only help to make them work harder and become better!

    Go Cougars!

  • CA Cougar
    Nov. 27, 2007 11:27 a.m.

    Westernsport wrote that "[Collie's] comments suggest that Heavenly Father loves BYU & helped them convert on 4th down." What Westernsport should have wrote was that this was his interpretation of Collie's comments. I certainly didn't interpret Collie's comments this way. He was simply excited and he praised God for the help that He's given him on the football field. That's my interpretation of Collie's comments. I truly believe that God doesn't care about the outcome of football games, but he does bless his children regardless of which team they're on.

  • Bryan
    Nov. 27, 2007 11:28 a.m.

    I wouldn't call this self righteousness. I would call this sharing the team secrets of success.I admire Austin for not backing down on his comments. He is right - God does bless those who are doing everything they can to live good lives.

  • correction
    Nov. 27, 2007 11:27 a.m.

    to: jim h is right on:

    Collie did not find a hole in a 2 deep defense. Watch the replay, the coverage was not 2 deep. It was man free, McCain bit, Collie took advantage of McCain's mistake.

    When Collie was interviewed, he was excited. Could he have worded it better, probably. But, his priorities are better than most college sophomore football players.

  • Dear Austin Collie
    Nov. 27, 2007 11:25 a.m.

    Quit playing the persecution card. You said something ignorant, be a responsable adult and own it. When you drop the "my God is better than your God" or "my faith is stronger than the faith of my oppenents" or "I'm more righteous than my opponents" take, you're going to take some grief. And deservedly so. And it's not because you're a "white Mormon". You insulted people of all faiths- including your own- along with people who are not religious. That is extremely weak to play the persecution card. Own your ignorant opinion and statement.
    Good People Of All Kinds
    PS Were you not living right on and off the field in 2004? 52 - 21.

  • Former BYU Fan
    Nov. 27, 2007 11:23 a.m.

    Growing up as a young LDS boy, I worshipped the BYU Cougars. Then once I got to high school I realized how self-righteous and prideful about half of BYU's students are (only half, I won't make a ridiculous generalization). Really half of them will look down on you if you don't go to BYU. They give you that smug "I'm better than you" look. Their parents think their child is genius because their son goes to BYU. Mr. Collie is in this half I am talking about. He's likely one of those cougars who refers to BYU as "The Lord's School". I hate when BYU fans use that phrase, ridiculous. You make our church look so bad, when you do that! I had a scholarship opportunity to attend BYU (my dream growing up) and turned it down due to this attitude. You're not the Lord's School and the Lord is not going to help you win. My buddy is a BYU fan and said after the game, "I was excited til I heard Collie's comment, no wonder so many people (including Mormons) hate BYU!"

  • socal oldcoug
    Nov. 27, 2007 11:21 a.m.

    After reading almost all of the comments it seems to me that those who took offense at Collie's comments were largely Utah fans.

    Hey -- the kid made a statement from his heart that could have been crafted better. I will grant you that. But come on ute fans, get over it, you lost. I understood what he meant to say, and perhaps this world would be a little better if we all really tried to understand what everyone is saying instead of twisting the words to "prove" that one is right or wrong.

    A great game. Played hard by both teams.

    Better luck next year.

  • anyone remember...
    Nov. 27, 2007 11:18 a.m.

    When Mike Salido crossed himself after scoring a TD for the Cougs in their upset of Miami in Provo back in 90? There was no discussion about Salido's actions at the time. Just as there shouldn't be any about Collie's comments at this time. This is a non-story.

    RE: Tired of self-righteousness
    Maybe you should look on the positive side. I'm sure the RMs and other LDS faithful (i.e., your head coach) of your beloved Utes believe that God has had a hand in their success. We can probably trace Utah's recent success and competitiveness to recruiting these quality young men. Their faith and hard work has made them successful off the field and it reflects in how they play on the field. This "Holy War" has really almost become 2 Mormon factions battling against each other!

  • jim h is right on
    Nov. 27, 2007 11:18 a.m.

    great point jim. Austin is just young and nieve. Success or lack thereof is not indication of righteous living. Most people realize that and that is why this is making such a fuss. What he is saying implies that because I am a ute fan or cannot run a 4.4 forty that i'm not living right. It is offensive. The reason BYU won is because collie found a hole in the 2 deep zone and hall got him the ball. what does god have to do with that?

  • A Bitter, Biter Utah Fan
    Nov. 27, 2007 11:15 a.m.

    Austin Collie is a tremendous athlete, and from what I know, he has great character. He has every right to praise God in whichever manner he feels necessary. I don't think that he should have to apologize for his comments, and I applaud him for sticking to them.

    I wish that more athletes on this level were as humble as Austin Collie. A young man with his athletic prowess, giving credit to God. It just doesn't happen that often anymore.

    Am I bitter, YES I AM BITTER! But not toward anyone with affiliation to BYU (except their dork fans). I am bitter towards our own program. Maybe, just maybe we ought not to put so much into trick plays. Trick plays are for middle tier teams that need a little extra to win the occasional game. We need to solidify our offense.

    Another gem of knowledge: Hall is not better than Johnson. However, he plays how he is coached, as did Johnson. We went from McBride to a national contender under Meyer, just to go back to where we were before. Coach Witt is a good coach, he just needs to make offensive changes.

    Santa wears red for the Utes!

  • Divinity
    Nov. 27, 2007 11:12 a.m.

    Can anyone really prove that God doesn't care about football? Maybe He does.

  • Anonymous
    Nov. 27, 2007 11:12 a.m.

    I totally agree with Eric's comment. Austin needs to learn to word things better so as not to offend others. Hopefully he will learn this lesson and be more careful next time.

  • Give me a Break
    Nov. 27, 2007 11:10 a.m.

    Actually, it wasn't Austin's "rightous living" that got us the win. It was mine. I've never prayed so hard in my life and I know He answered my prayer. Oh, and by the way when did so many people become mind readers. Give the kid a break. He's a good kid and a terific athelete. Talk about self-righteous. I'm sure not one of you who has criticized Collie has ever said anything that could be misconstrued. When Ute fans criticize BYU for being self-righteous it's a little like the "pot calling the kettle black". Give me a break, it's only a game! (Which BYU happened to win thanks to me).

  • Visitor
    Nov. 27, 2007 11:07 a.m.

    I am an avid sports fan and came from another state to watch the game. I enjoyed once again this great rivalry. I watched fans making lots of noise on each side before and during the game. I laughed when I heard a Ute alumni make fun of the BYU Honor Code at the tailgate party at Provo High. I was near the Utah bench when one of the players yelled, "Where's your God now?" after Utah scored their touchdown. I am an alumnus of the U of U and find those ridiculing Collie to be ill-informed and intolerant. This seems to be typical of many of those who support the athletics in the Salt Lake basin. The press has now reached a new low for blowing this controversy out of proportion. Mr. Collie is a young man of faith that could be exemplified by a few. Sore losers often react in predictable ways.

  • Cashing in Righteousness Chips
    Nov. 27, 2007 11:06 a.m.

    I guess being humble isnt a core value of the Mendenhall led Cougars. Collie is doing no one a favor (including himself) to come out and say what he did in this article. Why didnt he at least admit that the words came out wrong? Nope, he just tells everyone to get a life.

    Collie is the one who invoked God in a heavy handed way into the play. Most (especially Utah) fans wouldve looked at it differently if Collie had stated they had worked hard all year and that hard work paid off on that play. Or better yet, luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity. No, instead Collie implied because he was living right on and off the field the Lord let him cash in one of his righteousness chips. Many BYU fans have been saying other people like Tony Dungy have invoked God into conversations after big wins but Dungy only thanked God for blessing him for the opportunity to win a Super Bowl not this was my reward for living a Christian life.

    Go ahead Cougar fansdefend and dismiss Collies knuckleheaded statement, it proves how blind you are supporting your team.

  • Wow
    Nov. 27, 2007 11:04 a.m.

    Does a righteous person respond with Anger even if he did not intentionally mean to provoke it from others?

    I can't ever recall a conference talk where a prophet or an apostle talked about how righteous he was. I thought the TEAM won the game.

    Does a righteous person use "B.S." in a public interview? Does it stand for Boy Scout?

    Does a righteous person condemn others for disagreeing with them and demand they get a life?

    Pride comes before the fall. This is for me as much as anyone because I have many failings and faults. I am human and I make mistakes. Its hard for Collie to admit that... Just like me.

  • Tired of self-righteousness
    Nov. 27, 2007 11:02 a.m.

    This is the kind of attitude that I HATE from BYU. What about all the players on the U team that are doing what they are supposed to be doing? They lost so implied I am better than you are. That is what is getting everyone up in arms. If he would have said I thank my Heavenly Father for giving me the strength that would have been different.

  • McMahon
    Nov. 27, 2007 10:57 a.m.

    We all know that Jim McMahon was righteous on and off the field. I think that is why he was so successful as a Cougar.

  • Eric
    Nov. 27, 2007 10:57 a.m.

    After re-reading Austin's quote, it still came out wrong as much as I know what he was trying to say. The problem is he implies (with or without wanting to) that he was living right and succeeded, therefore his opponent didn't. His comments beg the question. He will learn to be more careful, like we all need to, in not offending. He had an opportunity to set the record straight, but ending it with "people need to get a life" was not a good way to do it. It appears he is still learning.

    His premise is incorrect too. Barry Bonds cheated on his wife, on his taxes, and in baseball with performance enhancing drugs. He was not living right on or off the field and he "obviously" is the all-time home run leader.

  • jim h
    Nov. 27, 2007 10:57 a.m.

    So maybe we can identify the people in this world who aren't doing the right things. Perhaps Mr. Collie should visit Primary Childrens' Hospital and talk with some of the parents & kids. Maybe he could clue them into where they went wrong.
    Mr. Collie certainly has been blessed, but for him to assume that it's his doin' is arrogant.
    Righteous living is no guarantee of wealth, success or winning ballgames. Sometimes the wicked have a pretty good run.
    It would be a shame if the LDS church was drifting towards a philosophy of evaluating someone's righteousness through the external trappings of health, wealth, success & winning ballgames.

  • Anonymous
    Nov. 27, 2007 10:55 a.m.

    Note how Collie specifically said action "on and off the field". If he truly believed that how his actions on the field influenced how the Lord blessed his life he is way off base. This is exactly why so many people believe that BYU and it's players have a "holier than thou" belief.
    How a player acts on the field does not influence the Lord so don't say that it does. BYU and its players should be held to a higher stantard and the problem it they don't live up to it.

  • Football Fan
    Nov. 27, 2007 10:53 a.m.

    If anyone ever listens to Patrick Kinnihan on the radio in the morning with that silly David James, you know that he set up that question. These radio "personalities" are a hoot. David James talks so fast he foams at the mouth. Kinnihan says and does everything contrary to get a rise out of people. The both are so silly I can't stand to listen to them anymore.

  • LOL
    Nov. 27, 2007 10:51 a.m.

    Sure I agree with Collie, this is the same guy who was going to put the hurt on Utah when he was a freshman... It is because he is white and morman and lives in utah and goes to byu. No respect, none BYU should be ranked #1 but no respect... It is because he is white and think of all the suppressing that he has had to go through being a mormon and living in utah it is hard life...

  • Not a Ute Fan
    Nov. 27, 2007 10:50 a.m.

    Why can't we focus on the truly important topic, namely that BYU is better than Utah at football?

  • Gordy
    Nov. 27, 2007 10:48 a.m.

    Collie was right. While we know that God does not control or care about the outcome of sporting events, we also know that righteous living yields blessings. And once the game begins, God does not suddenly cut off a righteous player from his/her access to those blessings.

    In addition, I think we're all mature enough to realize that both BYU and Utah have righteous and unrighteous players on their teams. Neither school has a monopoly on righteousness.

  • ME
    Nov. 27, 2007 10:43 a.m.

    Could agree with Austin Collie more.

  • Sympathy
    Nov. 27, 2007 10:40 a.m.

    Us Mormons are sooooo picked on!! It drives me nuts. If this was any one else, it'd be fine!

  • Jim TPA
    Nov. 27, 2007 10:39 a.m.

    How many of you Y detractors really believe Collie intended his comments to convey the message that God cares enough about the outcome of football games to intervene on one team's behalf? Deep down none of us believe that's what he meant. This is one reporter trying to create controversy where really none exists!

  • jonny
    Nov. 27, 2007 10:39 a.m.

    i think collie said it best...if he weren't a mormon playing at BYU his comment would have received no attention. that's 100 percent true. if kobe bryant, or peyton manning said that no one would have cared... if anything they would be pleasantly surprised.

  • Concast-hater
    Nov. 27, 2007 10:37 a.m.

    4th and 18 conversion to win a game is something so rare, God very well could have been a part of. With that said there have been worse things said and done by BYU football players. Lets move on.

  • JB
    Nov. 27, 2007 10:35 a.m.

    Amen to the wise words of "Initially Speaking"

  • bombadil
    Nov. 27, 2007 10:26 a.m.

    Austin, it's a good thing you caught the ball. If you dropped it, you would have disappointed 13 million people. (tongue firmly in cheek)

  • Missionary tool
    Nov. 27, 2007 10:18 a.m.

    I've been all over the country and talked to non-members and recent converts about the LDS Church, and I've never heard one convert say "yeah, I got interested in the gospel because of BYU athletics."

    However I've heard quite a few non-members say they will never be members because of the words and actions of BYU athletes and fans.

    How many people do you suppose Austin Collie (and those of you rushing to his rescue) have driven away from the gospel with this latest incident?

    Missionary tool, my foot.

  • Alternate
    Nov. 27, 2007 10:20 a.m.

    Mike Sorenson and the DNews crossed the line. Should never have been written. Terrible journalism!

  • Picked on
    Nov. 27, 2007 10:17 a.m.

    I am shocked to see how many mormons and BYU fans feel that they are so picked on because of their religion. Can anyone not see how Collies comments might be interpreted by others not of the LDS faith? Instead of becoming so defensive, why not try to understand where other people are coming from? Seek first to understand...

  • Stay quiet
    Nov. 27, 2007 10:14 a.m.

    Just keep you mouth shut and play the game. Nobody cares about your personal beliefs! Youre a football player not a philosopher!

  • Alabama Cougar
    Nov. 27, 2007 10:13 a.m.

    This is insane. Here we are arguing about the comments of a respectable kid. He's a fantastic athlete who strives to live a religion. Why is such person lambasted by many of the people on this blog? It seems that some of these people would respect him more for being a thug involved in criminal activity. God forbid that someone thinks that the God they strive to serve will bless them for so serving.

  • God is watching U!
    Nov. 27, 2007 10:12 a.m.

    That's why we pray , we got to pray just to make it today! Give the young man a break , every athlete has a physcological approach or spiritual approach matters not what color. People have died so this guy can make any statements he chooses! There are more important issues like my life so that is why I'm getting off this site, so don't Taze me Bro!

  • BYU
    Nov. 27, 2007 10:07 a.m.

    I would never question anyone's relationship with the lord. Or the feelings of how they are blessed and how there prayers are answered. To me those things are very sacred and personal and I don't feel comfortable talking about them in a setting other than a spiritual situation.

    Collie should not be suprised by the backlash. Football is very emotional and the hatred in rivalries is very high and as much as I like football I would say the hate goes to far.

    The bottom line is there are probably many people that do what they feel is right and yet their lives are filled with trials and problemes. SO obviously people get offended when he says if you do what is right everything will be great. For him maybe it has but there are many that have years of struggles before they feel like things work out.

    BYU fans and players have to get away from the Republican LDS attitude of my life is great because I'm a good person. If your life isn't you its your fault.

    Lay off Collie it was an emotional game and his feelings and beliefs should be honored.

  • Dannyboy
    Nov. 27, 2007 10:06 a.m.

    You would never hear anything about this outside of Utah. Get a life Utes!!!

  • PS
    Nov. 27, 2007 10:05 a.m.

    I remember hearing a story about mothers on both sides of a team or battle praying for their side to win -- rather than praying for winning, I've turned to praying for a safe, good game. It makes watching a lot more fun! (Although I must admit I have prayed for a successful touchdown attempt every once in a while :-)!)

  • Collie Fan
    Nov. 27, 2007 10:02 a.m.

    Anonymous is spot on!!

    Sorensen needs to get a grip!

    Does God care about football? I can't speak for God, but I would venture to guess that he cares a whole heck of a lot more for the student athletes - on both sides of the ball, equally the same. Collie was not suggesting he was "superior" or "holier than thou" because he keeps his nose clean on and off the field. He was simply acknowledging the Lord's hand in his success.

    Calling Collie prideful, boastful or self-righteous completely misses the boat. It tells me that there are those who don't know what it's like to give credit where credit is rightfully due. You, that don't understand this concept, need to try it for once. Just try it; give praise to God for what you have received and see if your outlook on life is better! That's all Collie was trying to communicate!

  • My Two Cents Worth
    Nov. 27, 2007 10:02 a.m.

    First, I know that God helps us -- does He help one side win over the other? I don't know if He does in every case, but He heard the prayers of those under Hitler's reign of terror & helped them to ultimately regain their freedom. I also know He heard the prayers of good Germans so I think righteousness (not self-righteousness) does play an important part in prayers being answered.
    Thank goodness God is in charge, for as an all-knowing, all-seeing, ever loving Father, He knows when to step in, and when to allow us to experience things for ourselves.
    Second, my only objection to Collie's comments was his use of "B.S." to emphasize his point. I'm sure it was said just as it was written, and out of frustration in trying to get his important point across (I've done it, with regrets later!), but it's use distracted from the message.
    It helped me realize that I need to be careful, myself, that I don't take away from what important things I could say by slipping into even mock cursing.

  • Blucoug
    Nov. 27, 2007 10:01 a.m.

    Overreacting jealous Ute fans.

    What exactly is the news here?

  • Utah State Fan
    Nov. 27, 2007 9:58 a.m.

    Where's the story? I think people are reading much more into this than they should. There is nothing wrong with Collie giving credit where it's due, and even as a USU fan I don't take exception and think the Lord doesn't love one team as much as another. That's not the point here at all. We all need to remember where our blessings come from, and quit picking on those that honestly give praise where it's due.

  • Mohan
    Nov. 27, 2007 9:57 a.m.

    What a difference it makes to quote someone correctly. Collie told Kinahan: "I wouldn't say it was lucky. We executed the play well... Obviously, if you do what's right on and off the field, I think the Lord steps in and plays a part in it." Who in the world would disagree or take offense with this statement? Any reference to being "righteous" totally illudes me in his comment, just like Collie totally illuded his defender for the 1st down. Don't try to modify his words so you can impose yet another layer of self-righteous hate and bitterness onto a program that has really made a "miraculous" turn-around by doing what? Obviously by doing what is right on and off the field is what makes a team successful. To "do what is right" is not just a Primary theme or a cool symbol on a championship ring. It means to train, to work, to condition, to prepare, and then to execute. Go Collie. Go BYU. Go Utah - work it out of your minds.

  • Initially Speaking
    Nov. 27, 2007 9:56 a.m.

    I dont take offense at Austin's comments and but they were dumb and here's why. By making the comparison of doing what is "right" and the Lord stepping in to assist is fine, except when used following a competition. Because there was direct competition, using words just as "doing what is right" infers that those you were competing against weren't. Try and justify it all you want, but it does.

    Many of you have claimed that his comments were no different than other athletes thanking God or Jesus after a game. The difference is a big one. Had Collie said, I just thank God for the opportunity to make a great play doesn't undermine your opponent whereas saying "God picked me" absolutely does. BYU has a reputation of being self righteous, and this is why.

    If Collie really was as good a person as he claims, he would be apologizing for offending people, not saying, "get a life". My favorite part? Talking about the plan of salvation and using terms such as "b.s." in the same breath. Further evidence that he shouldn't have a microphone in front of him.

  • Football Purist
    Nov. 27, 2007 9:55 a.m.

    He didn't say "I want to thank the lord". He said "The lord stepped in".

  • Mookie
    Nov. 27, 2007 9:53 a.m.

    Just when I think that I just might give it a shot and start rooting for the college that is named for one of my Church's presidents, I am reminded why I have grown to dislike BYU athletics.

    There is more to life than BYU football and many fans either forget that or are looking for something other than faith to satisfy the emptiness in their lives.

    BYU fans, what would you do if The Church discontinued BYU football?

  • Class Act
    Nov. 27, 2007 9:53 a.m.

    Austin Collie is obviously not the brightest one of the bunch. It's not just because he's a white mormon that goes to BYU. If a player from Notre Dame, SMU or some other religous school made a similar comment he would also be criticized. Think about where you are. And retaliating by saying 'get a life' is real classy. Way to go Austin.

  • Stewbad
    Nov. 27, 2007 9:52 a.m.

    I have a degree from Utah and a degree from BYU. I root for the school that gives me the most blessings.

  • Josh
    Nov. 27, 2007 9:51 a.m.

    Hey "Amazed", it's not so amazing when you look at what Collie said in the context of the rivalry, which has a lot to do, in the minds of many Utah fans, with BYU's nagging and incessant claim to moral superiority. Comments like that will ALWAYS arouse controversy where this rivalry is concerned.

  • Cougar Dad
    Nov. 27, 2007 9:48 a.m.

    This is all a distraction to to real point that Ute fans don't want to face. "Harline is still open" was followed this year with "4th and 18". BYU is not more righteous than Utah, only better in football the last 2 years.

  • Neutral
    Nov. 27, 2007 9:47 a.m.

    As a neutral observer, BYU fans needs to stop down playing his comments and see it for what it is. Collie thinks he is more righteous than the next guy. It probably does not stop with him either. A rose by another other name is still a rose. Of course Utah fans are going to jump all over it.
    Having moved here from out of state and seeing this rivalry for over 15 years now, Utah dislikes BYU for the exact comment that Collie made. They look down there noses at Utah fans for whatever reason, whether is be the religion issue or because BYU was better during the 80's and 90's than Utah was and there is a feeling of self righeousness that comes from the fans towards Utah.

    Both sides need to get over there differences. Have fun with the rivalry and realize that Utah needs BYU to be successful and BYU needs Utah to be successful. I have seen to many 'haters' of the other team on each side who call themselves fans of one team or the other.

  • Better Pass the Memo
    Nov. 27, 2007 9:46 a.m.

    I bet Notre Dame hasn't gotten the memo letting them know that they can't talk about their lord. Hang up the crosses.. People, when you are so overly concerned about a comment someone makes after a game you obviously have never played the game. I watched my son suffer a loss this year where he was devastated for days-did God play a roll in the other teams victory? No-Our team didn't do what we had to in order to win. But emotions are high after a game. But this is just something most athletes do(thanking god). Much like looking at the camera and thanking your mom.
    MOVE ON!

  • Come On
    Nov. 27, 2007 9:47 a.m.

    Collie had no right saying that. It is a game he should treat it like a game. The first thing I do when I win Monopoly is look to the sky and thank the all mighty. How about we talk about something more important BYU' Blue Zone offense. That was sad.

  • Dave
    Nov. 27, 2007 9:42 a.m.

    A book I loved as a kid was called "I Am Third" by Gale Sayers who put God first, family second, and myself third. Austin Collie and Max Hall and the oter cougar players suscribe to this philosophy, unfortunately the utes and their followers think "I am third" applies to their place in the Mountain West Conference.

  • mcw
    Nov. 27, 2007 9:41 a.m.

    I find it amusing how many anonymous Ute fans can get so excited about Collie's "arrogant" comments after the game, but seem to have forgotten Mack's proclamation prior to the game regarding Unga that "You can't even compare us...I've got more moves than he'll ever have" Then Unga racks up over 140 yards rushing to Mack's 50 yards rushing. Any Ute fans (or BYU fans for that matter) calling Mack arrogant or demanding an apology?

    If an opposing player would have made that comment Whittingham would have taken it personal and focused his game plan solely on Mack showing up the competition.

    Any local media jumping on this story?...No, because the religion card guarantees more ink and air time. The media will beat this like a dead horse because they will do anything for market share in an over flooded market. And they're not ashamed of it either. They thrive on controversy so they try to create it by fanning the flames.

  • Dave
    Nov. 27, 2007 9:39 a.m.

    A self-righteous cougar.

    What exactly is the news here?

  • Zoobe Hater
    Nov. 27, 2007 9:40 a.m.

    Amen Jim Jr.

  • Head in the sand
    Nov. 27, 2007 9:38 a.m.

    Praising God is awesome, there is nothing wrong with the act itself. The problem lies when you add to the comment and insinuate divine preference. Collie's words couldn't be construed as anything but divisive judging by the reaction.I don't think he intentionally blasted his opponent, but I do believe that he is a young man who is isn't very adept at word choice.He had a chance at contrition and sadly never showed any. He doesn't have to apologize for his beliefs, but maybe a sorry for the misunderstanding would have eased the situation.

  • Judge not. . .
    Nov. 27, 2007 9:39 a.m.

    To think that Collie was saying the more righteous team in this game won is ridiculous. Here is a young man, who believes God has blessed him, and will continue to bless him in whatever endeavor, as long as he is doing his best to live a good life. You don't know him. I think people that do see his point of view exactly. I don't know him but for that reason, I give him the benefit of the doubt. To do otherwise is judgmental and creates a bitter taste in my mouth. Anytime we judge critically, not understanding the whole situation, we are embracing an attitude that we know best, when actually none of us do.

  • Anonymous
    Nov. 27, 2007 9:37 a.m.

    Hans Olsen and John Lund have done a great job on this subject, they keep it light, It is a joke. Take it as such. 1280 knows how to shed light on things, not dark!

  • tac
    Nov. 27, 2007 9:36 a.m.

    I think we (LDS) are slowly drifting from one of our bedrock principles - free agency - we are responsible for our actions and yes, that includes the inventions we develop and the skills of the athletes.

  • RE: westernsport
    Nov. 27, 2007 9:33 a.m.

    and all others who are still criticizing Collie...

    Stop judging Collie based on what YOU are inferring from his comments. Don't put words into his mouth. What most people are criticizing him for and what he actually said are two very different things.

    Some people still seem to believe that Collie meant that God made BYU win. Did he ever say that? NO!!!!!! Obviously they're just looking for a reason to justify their anger and hatred for BYU.

    Once again, there is a difference between God helping you to do your best and God helping you to win a ball game.

  • PK's question was insulting
    Nov. 27, 2007 9:31 a.m.

    PK knows Austin as well as anyone having covered BYU sports in the past. To ask a leading question that implied the catch was pure luck finally coming his way was intentional. He knew Austin would speak his mind and right after a very emotional win he would probably say something that would give PK the chance to keep his job for another couple of weeks. What else do people tune into KFAN for anyway?? Actual sports analysis?? PK said on TV last night that his impression of Austin's comments were not that he was implying God wanted them to win. I think even PK - the reporter who staged this whole response - is now embarrassed by how big it has become and that it was he that instigated it.

  • pure arrogance
    Nov. 27, 2007 9:29 a.m.

    I think it's a weird thing to praise God in sports, but not particularly offensive. But Collie wasn't praising God. He was praising himself, and implying that because of his righteousness, God had no choice but to step in and make "magic" happen. BYU likes to claim that their sports programs are great missionary tools. If I knew nothing about the LDS church and heard this kid's arrogant statement, I would not be at all interested in learning more. Here's a thought Collie....truly righteous people are humble. You would never hear President Hinckley make a comment like you did...claiming that his own righteousness resulted in victory on the football field. BTW, apparently John Beck has stopped doing what's right. God's not working much magic with him anymore. Must be the playing on Sunday. So Collie....assuming that your righteousness continues and you are such an amazing player in a few years that the Sunday-playing pros come calling, will you make yourself available for the draft??

  • CR
    Nov. 27, 2007 9:28 a.m.

    Here's the problem with Collie's comments:
    People in the public eye often give thanks or praise to God or a higher power, particularly in Athletics. This is acceptable to a secular audience because it shows humility.
    Collie's comments do not show humility, but, rather, pride. He justifies the Lord intervening in the play because of how he's living his life on and off the field. His comments lacked genuine praise to God in favor of justification because he and the other Cougar players are such great guys. Even if Collie did not intend for this type of tone, its a bit offensive to Media and the public at large. Damage is already done.

  • please
    Nov. 27, 2007 9:27 a.m.

    I think you're all comparing apples to oranges. Most athletes do thank God, but they thank him for their talents. That's fine. Collie basically implied that God helps decide football plays. That's moronic. And yes, if someone of another religion implied the same thing, he too would be criticized.
    This is not about LDS persecution, it's about a moronic comment. You people need to get out of Utah or Mesa more if you think only LDS people get criticized for stupid remarks.
    God does not care about a 4th down in a game of football.

  • Observer
    Nov. 27, 2007 9:28 a.m.

    Many of you people have zero understanding of this situation and you are simply letting your Ute-loving, BYU-hating biases taint your view of what's going on here. What he said was totally benign, and if you can't see that then you have more issues than I thought!

  • Billy Smith
    Nov. 27, 2007 9:26 a.m.

    So what is this fine, spiritual young man implying when he states "in this world is just B.S.". I thought you weren't suppose to use that type of language at BYU. I guess BYU will now lose it's bowl game cause he isn't living the way he should.

  • ogmson
    Nov. 27, 2007 9:20 a.m.

    Good for Austin for not backing down. PLEASE don't buy into this madness! Only discussion yesterday on sports radio is over a player talking about magic and, oh no...The Lord. Sad. Having grown up in the South and played HS sports, I can tell you that before EVERY game we had prayer. AND SO DID THE OTHER TEAM!!! I have seen players from every walk of life, PRO and College point to the sky and thank God. Oh yeah?? For what?? According to sports radio that shouldn't happen. God doesn't care. It's offensive to the other team. Last night on MNF QB Roth.. pointed to the sky and thanked God for the successful FG. Where is all the fervor today??!! I am blown away by the response of some for buying into the nonsense. Make something out of nothing seems to be the new mantra. I guess it is time for everyone to start attacking George Washington for his MT.Vernon prayers. I guess God didn't love England. Get a life. God does NOT care about a FBGame. He does care about his children. The NT taught the parable of Ten virgins...guess we have to delete that now...

  • Amazed
    Nov. 27, 2007 9:16 a.m.

    We're so messed up as a society. We worship sterioid injecting, burglarizing, sexual assaulting professional athletes, claiming their extra-currular activities and belief systems are irrelevant to their games. Then we shriek and point the finger of scorn at a 21 year old college kid who dares to praise his God in the midst of an emotional exult after a rival college football game.

    Sorenson and KFAN, Collie gave you some wonderful advice. Get a life. Take a day off, take inventory of your life, identify the cause of the emptiness, and resolve to fill your life with something substantial.

  • JimJr
    Nov. 27, 2007 9:15 a.m.

    I've been listening to the local sports talk radio shows and the announcers are totally freaking out at Austin's comments. They are implying that Bronco Mendenhall teaches his players to think in this religious "fanatical" way.

    As a BYU grad, I thought Collie could have expressed his comments a lot better. I think when you speak off the cuff this way (especially about spiritual stuff)in a football environment that it has an overall negative effect.

    I don't think Collie meant to say that God favors BYU over everyone else but he did misspeak as far as the mass media is concerned.

    I also think other players from different faiths misspeak when they bring God into a football environment. I think Bronco Mendenhall needs to be careful in this area as well.

    Just play the game and leave all the other stuff at home or in church. GO COUGS!

  • Ute Student
    Nov. 27, 2007 9:15 a.m.

    This IS Ironic. After Dallas's win over the lowly Jets the NFL network did an interview with TO. He went off for like 30 seconds about how God had blessed him with ability, a great team, and with the such a great season. Now I don't know the minds of God but maybe he does favor TO on the football field and maybe he does favor BYU, in fact after watching that game and last years game I would bet on it. Than again there were were years there where we musta been the more righteuos School. Anyways give the Kid a break, anyways I would like to think it was devine intervention myself makes me feel better about my team not covering BYU's best reciever two years in a row! Maybe they were made invisible.

  • Ryan
    Nov. 27, 2007 9:12 a.m.

    Another day, another ad nauseum analysis of someone's words.

    Since when do we all belong to some sort of moral authority with the right to judge people based on their beliefs and comments? Let them say what they want - how is it hurting you at all?

    I agree with Collie. If you were offended - get a life! You're too thin-skinned and eager to be offended.

  • represent
    Nov. 27, 2007 9:11 a.m.

    Collie draws heat for his comment, not because he is a white Mormon, but because he plays for a Church school whose entire identity is based on its religion. There is no other school like it in all of football - not Baylor, SMU, BC, or Notre Dame. If Bob Jones U had a football team, you can be sure people would react to the comments of its players.

    Collie (and all Cougars) know that they are under scrutiny and that they play for a school that has often had problems with holier-than-thou attitudes. He knew that this game in particular has drawn out self-righteous comments and accusations in the past. He should have been more careful.

    Nov. 27, 2007 9:05 a.m.

    The next time Utah beats BYU in football I hope that a Utah player says those exact words. It will be interesting to see how BYU fans respond.

  • Rambis
    Nov. 27, 2007 9:03 a.m.

    Let's see if I get this straight. Had BYU NOT converted the 4th down, would Collie have said, "Obviously we weren't living right on and off the field, so the Lord didn't step in and help us"? Is he also implying that the Utes haven't been "living right" on and off the field? Were BYU players not "living right" before the UCLA and Tulsa games? It was a dumb comment. The implication of the comment is that he was living right and so good things happen to him (except, of course, offensive PI), and that the defender was NOT living right, so good things DIDN'T happen to him. Terrell Owen points to God a lot after his TDs, but he's not the finest example of "living right".

    God has endowed all those young men playing with great athletic ability. They all work hard. They are all passionate about the game. I just don't think that the Lord made any "magic" happen.

  • The real issue
    Nov. 27, 2007 9:02 a.m.

    The real scary part of all this is not what Collie said. He is just an excited kid saying something without thinking. The scary part is how many others are writing to say they also believe the 4th down conversion was a gift from God.

    Look, nobody has a problem with an athlete thanking God for a great experience or humbly giving credit to God for giving him extraordinary athletic ability. Everyone will have a problem with an athlete (of any faith or race) who implies that God changed the outcome of the game because of the athlete's righteousness. Find me an example of a Baptist or Catholic saying something comparable and not getting criticized for it. Please don't let this add to some kind of Mormon persecution complex.

  • Sick and Tired
    Nov. 27, 2007 9:01 a.m.

    What a non-story. Since when should anyone care what a 21-year-old college student says and/or thinks. This is simply the media digging for a story, and as usual, blowing things way out of proportion. Why don't we just stick with what happens on the field.

    I'd just like to thank the Lord for helping me write such a strong and well thought out comment.

  • Grace
    Nov. 27, 2007 9:02 a.m.

    His comment illustrates the doctrine of earning Gods grace that really rubs a lot of non-LDS Christians the wrong way. There is a subtle difference between thanking God for divinely intervening in a football game, and thanking God for rewarding your righteousness with divine intervention in a football game.

  • Utah Man
    Nov. 27, 2007 9:00 a.m.

    Ha! I love it! Collie is now super defensive about the comments he made, which just proves his arrogance. This could all be blown over if he would politely say that he felt his comments were taken the wrong way and left at that. Instead, he lets his pride step in and gets "angry" about what has been said of him. If Collie and the rest of you Cougar fans haven't figured that out that pride becomes before the fall, you better start reading The Book of Mormon and brush up on the pride cycle.

    Acronym for Fully Invested: Y is full [of] itself.

  • Illinois Cougar
    Nov. 27, 2007 8:59 a.m.

    I am happy to see that a majority of the postings seem to get "The Spirit" of Collies' comments. I can honestly say that Collie could have crafted his comments better, but those with an open mind understand his feelings.

    Collie is an outspoken individual who is willing to put it out there. Good to see someone still has guts to say what they feel without fear of the PC Gestapo! Enough has been said in his defense. However, to those who can't get past his team colors; GET A FRIGGIN' LIFE!!!

  • Good Call Collie
    Nov. 27, 2007 8:56 a.m.

    We are pathetic society driven by a need for news to even make this a story. Who cares what he said, other than if you do care you need a life. He isn't the leader of the free world or in any political office or position where he must keep his eye on being politically correct. This is not embarassing to himself or the university or BYU fans as some may suggest. I am embarassed by those trying to sensationalize a non-event. By the way, what he did say is a non-event and should be left at just that. Don't take the fact that the guy was instrumental in hanging a loss on your team as a right to victimize him.

  • Joseph Price
    Nov. 27, 2007 8:55 a.m.

    The Lord cares what we care about when we involve him in our lives more than he cares about football. Even if what you care about doesn't matter in the long run or is silly - like sports. He's not a sports fan, he's a fan of us and helping us take the next step.

  • Bob
    Nov. 27, 2007 8:50 a.m.

    Condemning Collie for his comments is gross hypocrosy for those who profess to be a part of any religion.

  • cg
    Nov. 27, 2007 8:49 a.m.

    I agree with Collie wholeheartedly. He gave credit where credit was due. The Lord is in the details of life, even the seemingly "trivial" events. Does this mean that the Lord foreordained BYU to win, NO. He simply gave strength to those Utah and BYU players who were in line to receive strength because of their diligence to principle. Those who choose to be offended, let them be offended. This world seems to seek to belittle anything that points to gratitude from a higher power.

    It is rejuvenating to finally hear someone (Collie) face the liberal media and speak his mind. We should be exhilarated to hear a young kid giving the credit for an amazing accomplishment to another. He could have said "yea, it was all me". Awesome catch and good luck to both teams.

  • Steve Salmon
    Nov. 27, 2007 8:50 a.m.

    Collie can try to make it a non-issue all he wants. The fact is he said, "The Lord stepped in." The implication is that the Lord helped him in a meaningless athletic competition that the Lord does not give a hoot about. Other athletes that make the sign of the cross, or give thanks in the open public arena is seemingly more self-promotion than anything else. Give thanks and praise in a private setting. Yes, it does come across as self righteous and holier than thou.

  • true blue
    Nov. 27, 2007 8:44 a.m.

    Austin is a heck of an athlete and a good individual.

  • Sticking up for Sorenson
    Nov. 27, 2007 8:45 a.m.

    Sorry people, but Collie's comments crossed the line and Sorenson was right to call him out on them. It's one thing to thank the Lord or cross yourself, it's entirely another thing to imply that the "Lord steps in" in response to actions "on and off the field". God stepped in and helped BYU win because their players are more righteous off the field???? Gimme a break! Mormons need to stop being so defensive; anyone who implies such a ridiculous concept would and should be critized for it.

  • Matt
    Nov. 27, 2007 8:38 a.m.

    I'm so glad that Collie didn't apologize for his "off-base" comments. I think his point is valid and I'm glad that he reaffirmed them come Monday morning.

  • E
    Nov. 27, 2007 8:38 a.m.

    I think he is pretty rude for telling everyone to get a life.

  • arc
    Nov. 27, 2007 8:40 a.m.

    The player was and is correct. The media are way off base. The law of the harvest. Nice Biblical principle. He wasn't boasting. He was responding to specific question. Give the guy a break.

  • Tommy
    Nov. 27, 2007 8:37 a.m.

    This story is absolutely ridiculous. I find it hard to believe people really are taking Austin's comments that far out of text. He simply is recognizing God's hand in his life. What is so wrong with that? I agree 100% with Austin, that people need to get a life. That includes all those idiotic Ute fans that called into the radio stations to rip on Collie, and also the media for putting their own spin on this. So not only can we not say in God we Trust anymore, now a good Christian kid, from a private Christian school, can't profess how God has had a hand in his life for living right.. Seriously people, get a life..

  • Amen!
    Nov. 27, 2007 8:36 a.m.

    I couldn't agree with Anonymous more. I'm a University of Utah student, and frankly I am so dissapointed at how Utah fans have reacted to this comment. Things like this are said all the time in sport eventings. I realize that Utah lost the game, and all this uproar is just because fans want something to latch onto after the tough loss. Let go. Get over it. Leave the kid alone, and go pick on one of these other guys who refernce God all the time in sports. I'm embarressed for other Utah fans. It's too bad we have to harp on something so stupid like this. What about our defense for blowing the 4th and 18 coverage. Harp on that kid. Leave Collie alone for being religious.

  • Active LDS Utah fan
    Nov. 27, 2007 8:35 a.m.

    I conducted a small unscientific poll here at the office of those who do not consider themselves sports fans and come from various faiths. Every one of the persons polled took exception to Collies comments. They feel the comments give the impression God somehow intervened to ensure that the most righteous team prevailed. I share your faith brother, but ease back on the livin' right speaches after a game (especially a victory). The comments can be perceived as self righteousness instead of an expression of faith in God.

  • Kudos
    Nov. 27, 2007 8:32 a.m.

    Very well put "Anonymous". The media is always looking to spice a story up. Report the news.

  • whatever
    Nov. 27, 2007 8:32 a.m.

    The lesson to be learned here--at least for Collie and other BYU athletes--is that when being interviewed or in the public eye as a result of actions performed on behalf of the university, a higher standard of communication is required. Had he made the comment to his buddies or at church in testimony meeting, he wouldn't be staring into the bright lights of public scrutiny. Would I have been able to walk that higher road myself after such a thrilling victory? Heck no, I'd have called the Utes "evil incarnate" and declared a battle won for truth and righteousness. Nonetheless, I'm cognizant of the leadership that Bronco is providing and hope that all students who represent BYU in one capacity or another will choose a higher road than what might be commonly chosen by those from other schools.

  • Dance, Austin, dance!
    Nov. 27, 2007 8:33 a.m.

    I love how he's trying to get the spotlight off himself by pointing at others.

    I have no problem with players thanking God or making religious gestures during sporting events.....what bothers me (and many others) about this is when Collie says his righteousness was in any way responsible for their victory, he's also saying his opponent's lack of righteousness (compared to his) was responsible for their defeat.

    Many Ute players live very righteous LDS lives (and they manage to do so with no Honor Code office holding their hands). If righteousness were the key to winning, why did they lose?

    Another way of putting it: Randy Moss and the Patriots must be the most righteous people on earth.

    Austin Collie is a good young man who said something dumb (like young people in the spotlight tend to do). He would gain a lot of respect from me if he would admit he said something dumb instead of trying to place blame on others.

  • Observer
    Nov. 27, 2007 8:29 a.m.

    This whole thing has been completely overblown. Obviously the kid was speaking about how the Lord has blessed him. It had nothing to do with God helping his team win a game. Many many people have prayed for help with getting a job, passing a test in school, and doing their best in a sporting event at some point in their life. These same people certainly give at least some credit to God for their success in these competitive areas, but when Mr. Collie does the same thing, it turns into a circus overnight. Rather than crucifying the kid for his religious beliefs, and making assumptions about what he meant, perhaps congratulating him for being a great player (and an even better human being) would be the appropriate course of action. It's never a bad thing to give the Lord some credit for success in life. Nor is it wrong to thank him for our blessings.

  • Robo
    Nov. 27, 2007 8:28 a.m.


  • Utah Mormon fan
    Nov. 27, 2007 8:27 a.m.

    I'm a mormon and a Utah fan, so I understand where Collie's comments came from. I am also a huge sports fan who has seen many times when players give thanks to God after big plays or games. However, Collie's comments have drawn such attention because they weren't simply praising God. "Obviously, if you do what's right on and off the field..." Without this part of the comment, there would be very little controversy, but because he made him and his team as "better people" on and off the field, it has drawn so much attention. It was an offensive comment, whether BYU fans are willing to admit it or not.

  • Why the anger?
    Nov. 27, 2007 8:22 a.m.

    Why can't he just say "it wasn't my intention to suggest that I am more righteous than other athletes. I'm sorry if it came out that way"? Why does he have to get all angry about it and say people need to get a life? His reaction is as ridiculous as anyone else's.

    By the way, Coach Dungy constantly emphasizes his belief that God does NOT intervene in football games and that to think otherwise would indicate a lack of perspective on life.

    Collie spoke without thinking, and I hold nothing against him for it. But the quote itself is worlds away from crossing yourself after a touchdown. Don't even make that comparison.

  • Too many sports writers
    Nov. 27, 2007 8:19 a.m.

    We have a handful of talking heads on the radio and sports casters on almost every local TV channel who desperately need something to talk about. They take molehill statements by athletes and make mountains of them on a regular basis in order to get listeners and viewers. Sounds to me that PK set this response up when he suggested it was luck evening itself out. Any truly religious person would take exception to luck being why they succeeded when they feel strongly that God has a hand in all areas of their life. I think Austin is right - more people need to get that kind of life.

  • Worried
    Nov. 27, 2007 8:17 a.m.

    It because when someone takes a kneem or says that they are a Christian, they are not implicating that God cares more about them than another team, another person or anything else for that matter. Gods last concern is the outcome of a football game. He has plenty of other issues to deal with, before the outcome of a football game. I think the issues lies in how specific the comment was. I dont drink or smoke so I am better than you. I am a member of the church and took offense to this comment. It shows how judgemental people can be...

  • Ramirez
    Nov. 27, 2007 8:17 a.m.

    The God I believe in doesn't care about football...

  • KCFan
    Nov. 27, 2007 8:16 a.m.

    Stick to your guns Collie! You're right!

  • Sara
    Nov. 27, 2007 8:12 a.m.

    Good for him. I think he was trying to give the Lord and not luck credit. If a person prays to do their best, and then is blessed with that, who should get the credit? This PC stuff is getting ridiculous.

  • Amen
    Nov. 27, 2007 8:10 a.m.

    Amen to "anonymous' comments. I agree. Oops I used a realigious term with "amewn." Is that going to be censured?

  • Reality
    Nov. 27, 2007 8:09 a.m.

    What happens when the Devil worshipers win a game and publicly praise Satan for their good fortune. Will everyone be as philisophical. Personally I'm glad that Collie has a friend in God, but I think he should keep it to himself. And, yes I'am a Utah fan still stung by the lose.

  • Anonymous
    Nov. 27, 2007 8:07 a.m.

    Middle-aged female sports fan-
    It appears as though you didn't watch any news reports after the Super Bowl and Tony Dungy's statments. People were ripping his comments on TV and radio for a week after that. If Collie couldn't take the heat that his comments were obviously bring, then he should have kept his mouth shut. I highly doubt rebuttling with "people need to get a life" will help him much with this one. Once again, should have kept his mouth shut!

  • Big A
    Nov. 27, 2007 8:07 a.m.

    Ute fans need to chill out, such sore loosers

  • coach c
    Nov. 27, 2007 8:04 a.m.

    People can say what they want. Some media people are way over the top and showing that an analysis of this game, which BYU dominated, isn't what they want to postulate, they would rather stir up controversy because their beloved Utes lost and were dominated and they need something to draw the attention away from how bad the Utes looked. Personally, I agree with Collie. But the real story is BYU's dominating performance.

  • Get a life is right
    Nov. 27, 2007 8:03 a.m.

    How many athletes, actors, singers, etc. constantly say when they do something good or win an award thank God first! It happens every week in sports, they always thank God for everything first. Collie is right, just because he is a mormon from BYU, the media has to find some story and blow it way out of proportion. Why is it only a topic when Collie speaks of God, it happens EVERY week!! This is why the media gets a bad name, do your job!! And quit trying to stir up trouble!

  • Ute Fan
    Nov. 27, 2007 8:02 a.m.

    Apparently, there isn't a remedial logic course at BYU. When you say that a higher power steps in because you're doing "what's right on and off the field", the OBVIOUS implication is that those on the other team aren't. That's why these types of proclamations are inane regardless of the source's team or religious background.

    Sure, God helps people in all their endeavors, but come on. "Magic happens"? Maybe if the check I had written at tithing settlment earlier that day had been bigger...

    The great thing about this story is that Collie has actually said something more stupid than his "We're gonna put a hurtin' on 'em." comment prior to be rolled by the Utes on their way to the Fiesta Bowl.

  • So Cal Cougar
    Nov. 27, 2007 8:01 a.m.

    To Anonymous: articulate and persuasive comment. To Collie: articulate and persuasive clarification/follow-up. Per Collie, we *do* need to get a life. We're in the middle of a civil war in Iraq and the constitution's been violated by the White House, for Pete's sake. We should focus on the *real* news, and not Collie's innocent comment.

  • Nice Call Collie!
    Nov. 27, 2007 8:01 a.m.

    Nothing harmed and well said.
    Scott Collie, Max Hall and Harvey Unga
    are going to run through the MWC
    again next year and they'll run, lift,
    throw, catch, study and pray and win
    their way into the BSC in 2008.
    Faith w/o works is dead!
    Nobody works harder than these guys!!!!

  • Amen!
    Nov. 27, 2007 7:56 a.m.

    Amen! (Oh, wait a minute--can I say that?)

  • MIT
    Nov. 27, 2007 7:53 a.m.

    I see players pointing to heaven all the time thanking God after they made a TD. Are they saying God helped them make the TD? I think the answer is yes they are. They are saying it was God that gave them the talents to do what they did. Many times in post game interviews they say something like they want to thank God again implying that He had a hand in their win. I think it's a way of staying humble and letting people know that you know it wasn't all you. Austin (IMO) was just implying the same thing in different words.

  • Talking idiots
    Nov. 27, 2007 7:46 a.m.

    The stuffed shirt, arrogant talking idiots on the talk radio (and you know who you are!) just have to have something to fill the time with, so they create controversy where none exists. They find solutions for which there are no problems. This kind of action, ascribing divine help to a performance, is so COMMON in sports that it does not deserve any mention, but somehow this young guy gets all this hate for an innocent statement. Way to go Austin!

  • Stupid Comment
    Nov. 27, 2007 7:36 a.m.

    It was a pretty stupid comment. Just like when all those other athletes thank god for their win.

  • TH
    Nov. 27, 2007 7:36 a.m.

    Very well put.

  • Kate
    Nov. 27, 2007 7:31 a.m.

    It was mentioned for the reasons he stated which I believe to be true, because he is a white Mormon who attends BYU. I think there is nothing wrong with what he said and that he is right.

  • Laughingaway
    Nov. 27, 2007 7:28 a.m.

    Collie, you poor persecuted "white Mormon kid." Don't they teach students in Provo that when you say something that stupid to a reporter, people are going to react? Of course, maybe he's right. It is reassuring to the rest of us to know that during the years when Utah has beaten BYU, it was because God was stepping in to help His Utes who were doing "what's right on and off the field."

    What unbelievable hubris. It's easy to see why Ute fans resent the team down south.

  • Roger
    Nov. 27, 2007 7:29 a.m.

    I think its pretty clear that the more righteous you are, the more successful you are in life. As the Book of Mormon says, if you obey the commandments, youll prosper in the land. This is especially clear in sports, where it is the more righteous players and teams that win. Who was it that said, the harder I practice, the more lucky I get? Luck is the politically correct term for divine intervention.

  • Barrett
    Nov. 27, 2007 7:28 a.m.

    Amen to Collie's response.
    Quit bashing Collie!
    Get a life folks!

  • Bob
    Nov. 27, 2007 7:11 a.m.

    It's just Pat Kinahan trying to get people's attention and trying to get his name out there. It's what he does.

  • John in Texas
    Nov. 27, 2007 7:12 a.m.

    Austin was right on. Any other athlete any place in america would have been labeled a good kid. Not so for a BYU athete. We just have to face the fact that BYU is before the world in a glass encasement. Lets
    just show our metal and what it's worth by by our actions on and off the football field, basketball court, socker field, ...

  • Danno
    Nov. 27, 2007 7:12 a.m.

    Well said Austin Collie.

  • Anonymous
    Nov. 27, 2007 7:10 a.m.

    Some people have way too much time on their hands. The game is over, go back to work and do real things in life. This is a football game for crying out loud.

  • ACC-BYU fan
    Nov. 27, 2007 7:10 a.m.

    ("That implies a higher power favors one team over another and that his team is favored for being more righteous.")
    Hey, they won didn't they!

    /maybe you should pray for Utah next year. heh.

    ********walking off dribbling a football********

  • mbd
    Nov. 27, 2007 7:09 a.m.

    Poor Collie. Mormon white kids just can't get a break here it Utah.

    Next time he might just want to thank God instead on thanking himself for being righteous.

  • a_little_taller
    Nov. 27, 2007 7:07 a.m.

    C'mon, KFAN. Anything for ratings, huh? Of all the interviews after championships are won that start off with "First of all, I'd like to thank Jesus...", after all the crossing and pointing to the heavens after a good play in college and pro sports, you're going to be critical of Collie for acknowledging God after winning an important game?

    Collie is absolutely right. It is ridiculous that you will take something like that and try to make a giant deal out of it. Any other player from any other school says something like that and it's acceptable. But because it's a BYU player, it's self-righteous? Sorry, not buying it.

    To Collie: I, for one, appreciate that you recognize the hand of God in your life and aren't ashamed to publicly acknowledge His blessings. The world would be so much better if more people were willing to do so. Best regards.

  • AbqDave
    Nov. 27, 2007 7:07 a.m.

    This is crazy that this is an issue. Collie is right that if he were of another race or other religion or frankly in another state, it would be a non-issue. Sounds like some people are cranky about the L.

  • To Anonymous
    Nov. 27, 2007 7:06 a.m.

    Right on!!!! and Collie had right- people need to get a life. Don't bad mouth someone for having God in their life or for having faith.

    Nov. 27, 2007 7:07 a.m.


  • Russ in Naperville
    Nov. 27, 2007 7:05 a.m.

    Way to standup for your self Austin. Don't let it distract you.

  • Anonymous
    Nov. 27, 2007 6:55 a.m.

    Like it or dislike it, creating controversy is the job of OpEd writers and radio talk show hosts. I agree this is ridiculous and isn't news worthy, just like the "big" story about football fans getting in fights at or after football games...oh my!

    And I am reading the piece. =)

  • Football fan
    Nov. 27, 2007 6:53 a.m.

    I don't think the issue is his Christianity or that he was proud of his beliefs, the issue, as Mike Sorensen suggested, was that he was implying the reason why they won was because they were more righteous or deserved more of the Lord's "help". It's an issue of pride, that we're better than you, or favored by God.

    Now this is assuming the article is accurately portraying both sides, based on what I read here, Collie needs to keep it on the field and leave the interviews for cooler heads. What he needed to say was that he was sorry anyone misconstrued his comments and clarify what he really meant-not attacking your critics because they take your comments for what you essentially said.

    "People need to get a life" ? Sure I can understand he's upset that his comments were perhaps blown out of proportion, but he's asking for it when he starts shooting his mouth off. Maybe with the bad publicity he's caused for the "Lord's School" he won't be receiving much extra "help" in the immediate future....

  • Charles
    Nov. 27, 2007 6:49 a.m.

    Austin is correct.

    Would it surprise Ute fans (or the press) to learn that BYU pre-law and pre-med students also pray for and expect divine help in getting into UofU law and medical schools?

    All Christians, Muslims, Jews .... pray for and expect divine help.

    It also is pretty clear that God doesn't help any particular team at the exclusion of other teams since no team always wins.

  • Rich
    Nov. 27, 2007 6:44 a.m.

    I have seen many non-LDS players give credit to the Lord for their success immediately after a football game in front of cameras and admired them for their faith and courage, at the same time realizing that there were players of equal faith on the opposing team. In fact, I have seen players kneel in prayer after games joining hands together from opposing teams. The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away. Not that the Lord determines the outcome but his hand in the expression of our gifts and talents we should be able to freely express and acknowledge. It is good to see the expression of gratitude in either case.

  • Ute Fan
    Nov. 27, 2007 6:38 a.m.

    "I really think it's because I'm a Mormon white kid from Brigham Young University. Anybody else says that from any other team and it's just 'how spiritual that guy is." - Austin Collie

    This is exactly what I was thinking yesterday, listening to all of the idiots calling in to the radio. Athletes all over the rest of the country are free to give thanks to their "Lord and savior Jesus Christ" but in the state of Utah people freak out if a player from the Church of Jesus Christ's school tries to praise his Lord and glory his god. Given that this is a private religious university we should be disappointed if players FAIL to give thanks and praise.

    ...but the Utes are still going to win next year when Collie and his Cougs come into our house!

  • BYUBlue
    Nov. 27, 2007 6:35 a.m.

    If you get the video "Tradition, Spirit, Honor" Bronco talks about wanting to start the whole fireside thing before games, and tried (unsuccessfully) to get the first one going in San Diego. When none of the Stake Presidents or Bishops of the area thought that anyone would come, they let it go - and lost the game. After that they decided that no matter if anyone came or not, they would have a fireside. I like what Austin actually said, that if you do the right thing on and off the field you will be blessed. Doing the right thing on and off the field is available to every player on every team everywhere. I think that many of the Ute players have been blessed with a very good season as well. This has nothing to do with BYU being a church sponsored university, and everything to do with individuals or organizations as a whole doing the right things and being blessed (note that being blessed does not always mean winning games). If you believe in god, then this principle makes sense - if you don't then best of luck to you and your arm of flesh.

  • Mike in Austin
    Nov. 27, 2007 6:32 a.m.

    I have no problem with an athlete suggesting that God will help those who do their best and "live right, on and off the field". Where Austin, fans, other athletes, and all of us need to be careful is in not letting pride enter our hearts, causing us to believe we are any better than anyone else.

    Whether this is a fair statement or not, I believe that is the main reason non-BYU fans have so much animosity towards BYU fans and players... and that is because many of those that follow BYU do, in fact, believe that they are somehow better. When, in fact, we know that God loves all His children.

    Mike Sorenson was correct to make the conclusion he did, and I have no problem that he published those thoughts. (We were all thinking the same thing anyway, why not put it in black and white?)

  • ma`at
    Nov. 27, 2007 5:52 a.m.

    I agree. What a non-controversy! Mike Sorenson's indignation at Collie's comments betray the underlying heartache of a heartbroken Ute fan. He might be more at home writing for the Trib. methinks.

  • Anon.
    Nov. 27, 2007 5:34 a.m.

    These plays are a combination of sheer luck and skilled players involved. I don't know how God is involved? He has bigger things to worry about rather than a trivial play ... a nanosecond of His time to drop a blessing or two to accomplish an impossible feat like breaking record for a number of TDs?

    We can always give thanks to our God for health and such but to use Him in your trivial sports feat, please be careful how you use Him because the opinion is baised and one-sided ego-centric religious attitude isn't something that would reflect His example of tolerance of our diversity in our communities abroad.

  • ct
    Nov. 27, 2007 5:08 a.m.

    How many times do you hear guys like T.O. say "Thanks to God" and it is like he is a hero. Many athletes thank their creator for their skills, talents and blessings related to sports, health and family. Collie did not say that BYU is God's school and that the U is evil, he simply stated that if you work hard and do your best, then you will be blessed. Be happy that Collie is humble enough to thank God, afterall, he could have caught the ball and danced around and get a penalty for unsportman-like conduct and lose the game... Oh wait, that's been done before... thanks Steve Smith for putting a little distance between the uprights and your kicker.

  • Anonymous
    Nov. 27, 2007 4:53 a.m.

    no where did Collie say that God favors one team over another. Thanks to the media and for the internet forum pundits for blowing this way out of proportion.

  • NY
    Nov. 27, 2007 4:26 a.m.

    What is unfortunate is that Collie doesn't get it. Even after given the opportunity to clarify, he is still clueless. Very unfortunate and very embarrassing for BYU fans.

  • Anonymous 2
    Nov. 27, 2007 4:14 a.m.

    These reporters are pathetic and ridiculous. They really do need to get a life. They are always trying to make something out of nothing. People see right through it and it is getting really old.

  • Washington BYU Fan
    Nov. 27, 2007 3:35 a.m.

    Anonymous is 100% right. And to touch on what Collie said, how many times do we see athletes in interviews that are not LDS that say practically the same thing. The say how blessed they have been, and how the Lord helped them. You hear it all the time.

  • westernsport
    Nov. 27, 2007 3:19 a.m.

    I am a happy faithful member of the LDS faith and a returned missionary, and I have the upmost respect for BYU as an institution! BUT yes his comments were silly and uneeded. His comments suggest that Heavenly Father loves BYU and helped them convert on 4th down! Does any one in their right mind think that Heavenly Father has a favorite football team that he guides and directs?? Yikes! Unfortuanatly he embarassed the Church and made us look like a bunch of higher than thou saints. Yes I am a Ute fan, but I am also a happy member of the LDS faith and just cringe when I hear BYU fans say these things, I have to end up explaining for days to those around me that we really dont think that! BYU deserved to win because Max hall made a great play with the game on the line, not because the Lord pulled some strings from above. Please stop and think people!

  • SJ Bobkins
    Nov. 27, 2007 2:24 a.m.

    If Collie had crossed himself, or pointed skyward with his single index finger or stated: "I have God to thank for the victory, no one would have said word one. Since this is "The Official Year to BASH Mormons" anything goes when a Mormon acts in the same way as someone from another faith.
    I've heard 10,000 winning athletes credit God or Jesus for making it all happen, teams praying for God's help to win, batters crossing themselves so God will give them the ability to hot one off the pitcher. At least 1000 times I've seen players point to the sky and say "give God the credit" (for the win)
    I wonder why God didn't like the losers as much, or why a person bumped off a plane which later crashes thanks God for saving his life. Why didn't God insure that all the passengers were bumped? Why did he save this man's life or help a losing team win.
    I do think God blesses those who do what he asks, but I have no idea if that goes for football. If Collie was Catholic, nothing would be said.
    Let it go, leave Mormons alone!

  • Army Guy
    Nov. 27, 2007 2:22 a.m.

    Collie's right--any other school's athletes have free reign on thanking God, claiming divine intervention, or otherwise acknowledging deity. But if a BYU player says something, it's suddenly labeled "holier-than-thou." Come on people, this is ridiculous. Good for Collie for giving credit where credit is due. Did God want BYU to win? Who cares! That's not what Collie (nor any other athlete for that matter) was saying. But did God help Collie get to where he is today in terms of talent and preparation? Collie has every right to believe so, and to express it as he wishes. This is an invented controversy by some BYU-hating hacks with nothing better to do. I'm behind you Austin--and that's something nobody in Utah's secondary can say...

  • TL
    Nov. 27, 2007 1:58 a.m.

    I agree with Anonymous. Those that have made such a big deal of this, needs to get a life.

  • Interested
    Nov. 27, 2007 1:53 a.m.

    I agree with Anonymous. Had not Collie been a Mormon from BYU, it is likely that he would have been praised for his religious ferver. I think one of the problems we have these days is that many comentators believe that "controversy sells" and if there is no conflict they seek to creat conflict in the minds of their audience for their own selfish purposes. Also, society in general seems to be more focused on finding fault with each other than in seeing value in each other. This is a sad state of affairs. (An 80 year old alumnus of both BYU and Utah)

  • BYU non Mormon FAN
    Nov. 27, 2007 1:47 a.m.

    Now that I was able to read the entire quote, the guy who wrote the column put it out of proportion. The game was awesome;either Sorensen was emotional, maybe he forgot to be objective, maybe he should learn from 99% of the Utes fans.

  • Test us...
    Nov. 27, 2007 1:39 a.m.

    Let's see how many people 'have a life' and can refrain from continuing to diss a young 20 year old man. The D News was wrong to have a follow up story. Let it die, people.

    For the record, I grew up in SLC and heard this kind of philosophy many times from all sorts of people - applied to ALL KINDS of stranger events, so this is not just a BYU kind of thing. Having lived outside Utah for 30 years and now outside the US, I hear it just as much. If you have never attributed ANYTHING to the 'hand of God', go ahead and cast stones at Collie.

  • RoadRunner
    Nov. 27, 2007 1:32 a.m.

    Austin Collie and Anonymous are to be commended for their incisive reprimands of the KUTV sports staff and Deseret News columnist Mike Sorensen, et al, for their ludicrous commentary on Collie's totally innocent and harmless remarks. It is truly amazing what excesses these media folks will stoop to. Bravo! Austin and Anon, for putting them in their place.

  • Sour Grapes
    Nov. 27, 2007 1:31 a.m.

    We know that God does not control the outcome of games. Why would He? People can be rewarded/blessed for faith or obedience.

  • Religous Bigotry
    Nov. 27, 2007 1:26 a.m.

    The fact is that if Collie was a baptist, or a Catholic, or anything except LDS, at any school but BYU, this would not even have been reported. The fact that he's a white LDS kid somehow makes this a story. That's religious bigotry & it's silly. Be offended if you want - if you are, then you prove your own closed-minded ignorance. This type of thing is said all the time in sports and entertainment. If I'm wrong, then each of those statements needs to cause multiple-story fervor and be met with all kinds of righteous indignation. Totally a double standard here.

  • Julia
    Nov. 27, 2007 1:21 a.m.

    Seems to me that some people were just way too eager to point the finger and scream self-righteous. The reaction to his comments have been completely irrational.

  • Me to
    Nov. 27, 2007 1:20 a.m.

    Freedom of speech. Listen to some of the interviews on sports shows and them see if this kid should be treated any different for what he said. God has played a role in my life but I don't get a chance to say it and I certainly would if I could. Sorenson==jet a life.

  • Observant
    Nov. 27, 2007 1:18 a.m.

    As a rabid college football fan for more than four decades I have seen literally hundreds of college football players give thanks to a higher power. Usually this happens after a touchdown, or a great defensive play, or verbally in post game interviews.

    I have seen moments of silence, taking a knee and bowing a head in prayer (both individually and in groups), making the sign of the cross, kissing crosses (Saint Christopher Medals, and assorted other religous objects), and verbally thanking Jesus on national TV.

    I think Austin makes a valid observation. Why is this ok from an african american athlete from the SEC or BIG 12 but not from a european american from Provo?

    One additional observation in over four decades as a cougar fan I have noticed that the only people that ever really complain about this are from three western universitys that have four letter names that begin with a "U".

  • Anonymous
    Nov. 27, 2007 12:53 a.m.

    I love football. I have seen hundreds of games in my lifetime. I have watched players make the sign of a cross after a good play, kneel in the end zone to thank God after a touchdown, and even pray in huddles. No one comments on these actions, nor was Coach Dungy maligned when he stated after the Super Bowl that he was a Christian. In fact, he was praised. Why is there such a controversy now that one player mentioned God in an emtional interview after winning a hard fought and exciting game? The media has proclaimed the BYU-Utah game a "holy war." It seems expected that God should be mentioned. Religion is a part of who Austin Collie is and he spoke from his heart. He did not claim that God favors BYU or made Utah lose. Please don't try to create a controversy where none exists. (A middle-aged female sports fan)