Vote "No" on district split

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  • Anonymous
    Oct. 30, 2007 8:50 a.m.

    The Deseret News argues that "there is no remedy in place" to mitigate the tax increase that is feared by Herriman and the west side cities of Jordan School District. This is massively incorrect, there is a remedy. The west side cities can control their growth instead of allowing it to continue unchecked, out of control and at record setting levels.

    If the city councils of these west side cities declare a moratorium on new building permits, you can bet the real estate and developer lobby will push the legislature to find a solution to the equalization issue very quickly.

  • Get into the game
    Oct. 27, 2007 9:30 a.m.

    Mc: You need a geographical shift - Cottonwood, Skyline and others suffering from declining enrollment and program shortages have NOTHING to do with things south of I-215.

    The claim made by the editorial that the "poorer" areas not have a voice is absolutely false. No demographics support this notion - median income, home prices, and poverty rates are virtually the same in the south end of the valley - it is quite different from areas north of the belt-route.

  • Jack
    Oct. 27, 2007 9:21 a.m.

    I agree that Herriman is wasting tax payer resources by throwing good money after bad. As noted above, the Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals denied their Motion for an Expedited Appeal, Briefing and Review. This is in line with Judge Stewart's ruling denying their Motion for Emergency Relief and a Permanent Injunction, noting that Herriman et al had not established a reasonable likelihood of success on their constitutional claims (i.e. violation of Equal Protection). And, these rulings are in line with legal opinions by the Office of Legislative Research, the Attorney Generals Office, and an unbiased legal opinion by a BYU law professor specializing in constitutional law. I certainly hope, that in a sense of fairness, the Deseret News will report on the ruling of the Tenth Circuit.

  • 10th Circuit denies Appeal
    Oct. 26, 2007 6:26 p.m.

    This just in. Yet another judge rules in favor of self-determination. Herriman et al are wasting taxpayer monies jousting with windmills.

    There are 181 kids in Granite District whose homes would be in the new district. Should the ENTIRE Granite population thus be required to give permission on our local issues so that we can take care of our own?
    Would Herriman (or ANY other city) feel it's right that my persmission is required before they can change zoning , fix a road I use, or do any other city function just because it MIGHT affect me? Any city's immediate neighbors are affected by their decisions.

  • evensteven
    Oct. 26, 2007 1:55 p.m.

    The DesNews board is 'troubled'!!!! Ye gads, the sky is falling. It would be nice to see the board give this topic the serious consideration they seem to believe it deserves. This editorial is pure emotion. Fear-mongering at its best.

    As many writers have pointed out, JSD will be split. They have said as much themselves, preferring a north-south split to proposed east-west. The arguments by JSD against a split are entirely disingenous and self-serving.

    I wish the DNews would tell us who the 'poor' are who would have to go it alone. Demographics from all relevant studies show the west-side currently as well-off as the east-side. A new west-side district will have the same tax revenue per student as Alpine, Weber, Cache and other larger districts. Are they in financial peril?

    Critics of the split are like chicken littles running around raising issues but then ignoring the responses when rationally and logically presented. BBKing above has it right.

  • To Des News
    Oct. 26, 2007 12:43 p.m.

    Please don't confuse us with the facts... we've already made up our minds, and it ain't for the benefit of the kids! Thanks Legislature!

  • JD
    Oct. 26, 2007 12:31 p.m.

    This is a difficult and troubling issue. But what is most troubling to me is that while throwing stones at each other, the real culprit is escaping responsibility. The source of this crisis is the Jordan School District and their total melt down in projecting growth impacts on the district and lack of courage and leadership to address the issues. Here we have residents on each side of the valley angry with each other, while the District announces that of the $281 million in bonds approved in 2003, they are finally issuing $200 million in 2007! Now the District states they will need another $700 million to meet the growth demand and they estimate conservatively another $200 million is needed for critical repairs at existing schools. Can we really trust the district with this responsiblity as well as the reality of administrering a district that by 2015 will have over 100,000 students. Where is the editorial addressing this issue? More important, throughout this debate the District has not offered any statement regarding solutions to the dilemma. There must be a change to a bureaucracy that created this mess.

  • Michael
    Oct. 26, 2007 12:15 p.m.

    The financial concerns on the west side are valid. However, where the west side is looking to fulfill those responsibilities is not. The construction of new schools on the west side is a result of the tremendous new home construction on the west side. Nearly everywhere (except Utah) has a fee on new home construction called "impact fees." These fees offset the cost of new schools being built. Afterall, that is the source of the need for new schools. It is not appropriate to fund new schools from existing neighborhoods.

    The new home construction companies and developers are getting away "scott free" without paying their fair share.

    Secondly, Jordan School district will need to be split...it is completely unwieldy. One can not make any change in an organization that large -- and there is certainly no personalization of educational needs. VOTE yes to the split.

  • Mc
    Oct. 26, 2007 11:19 a.m.

    Wait until the east side kids grow up and have to live on the west side to afford a home. They will have a huge tax burden to educate the grandchildren of those who want to shed the west side now. They can thank their parents for that.

    They may also find that they have fewer options in their east side high schools. They have programs now that are used by west side students who must travel to Skyline, Cottonwood, etc. There may not be enough students on the east side alone to keep those programs going, so they will be eliminated. With open enrollment some east side schools depend on west side kids to keep their numbers high enough to even remain open. Cottonwood High School would have closed years ago without the students who are bused from the west side.

  • CP1KL
    Oct. 26, 2007 8:57 a.m.

    A district of 80,000 students growing to 104,000 students in the next few years deserves to be split. Research shows mid-size districts of about 30,000 students are the most efficient. That's what we're creating on the east side. Plus, if a new district is not created, the east side communities will be exporting $400 million, plus another $300-$400 million in interest to build schools on the west side, with very little return investment. Even last night Superintendent Newbold and the JSD were discussing how they are dropping needed east side renovation projects to build more schools on the west side. This is why a new school district needs to be created. The needs are just too different on the two sides of the district.

  • Teacher
    Oct. 26, 2007 8:23 a.m.

    At some point in time the district will be split. No matter what happen in November. A split now is a progressive proactive move. The sky won't fall, teachers will not lose their jobs, aliens will not land from space but more manageable districts will evolve. That benefits everyone.

  • Growing Pains
    Oct. 26, 2007 8:19 a.m.

    The exponential growth on the 'west side' should not be shouldered, financially, by those in established areas on the 'east side'. New schools will need to be built in disproportionate rates on the west side, while schools on the east side will start closing down because the west side's immediate needs will be top priority. A smaller district will best meet the needs of both parties, both now and in the future.

  • Great Editorial
    Oct. 26, 2007 7:55 a.m.

    I appreciate the Deseret Morning News opposing this split. It's ridiculous on so many levels. There are too many risks and students will be the real losers on this. I plan to vote no. Thanks for reaffirming my decision.

  • Chuck
    Oct. 26, 2007 7:41 a.m.

    Herriman and Riverton areas will be hurt the most if the district division is stopped. They will not be able to get the schools they need AT ANY PRICE without the vote of the east side. THEY are the ones that need the split the most, so that they can self determine their own future.

  • DBM
    Oct. 26, 2007 7:35 a.m.

    Can someone please explain to me how hiring one or more school district administrators at over $100,000 per year or many times that to hire all of the new administrative staff to run new school district(s) and build new district offices and buy new bus fleets and ..... will help even one student. Looking at the area within the current Jordan District boundaries, people are talking about spending millions more, and not doing one thing to actually reduce class size, reduce teacher load, etc. If this idea were about improving education, we would be looking at consolidating districts and putting more of our money into teachers (where the rubber hits the road), not administrators (many of whom wouldn't know a student if it fell on them). What this vote WILL teach the children is that their parents do (and, therefore, they can) worry most about the three things identified by Captain Hook: "Me, me, me, me. My, my, my, my. Now, now, now, now."

  • BBKing
    Oct. 26, 2007 4:59 a.m.

    If you keep doing what your doing, you keep getting what you are getting.

    By all means, let's keep doing what we are doing. Change is always bad!