I know how he feels, because I was in this situation before. Its hard for me to
say it but I want you guys to know about it.
all you can say what you want because you don't know these kids. and u don't
know what really happened in that locker room. you all just believe all that is
put in your head. if you could only know how much one of them has changed and
tried to make it up to the kid he hurt then u wouldn't be saying what ur saying.
and no i don't agree with what he did. i think it was horrible. but so does he
and he has fixed everything he has done and now is getting locked up and taken
away from all those who love him for who he is. think about it. for all you who
think ur perfect you need a serious reality check!
why didnt you post my comment about white people not getting trouble for doing
the same exact thing.. in some cases even worse???
that is sick that they did that stuff don't you if you think that is grouse and
sick then put your name under this
you know what i know that it was a bad decision for these boys to do this but
can we all just FORGIVE & FORGET we have already put the family in enough
stuggles and stress.
just kidding it should be takin seriously its just wrong nothing should have
ever happened im sure it was an accident but people shall learn from this and
not play around for it could be fun to them but not to others.... well thats all
i have to say........peace out
East is out to haze everyone in region 6
Wow, this isn't exactly surprising. Football's gay, anyway.
THIS WAS NOT RAPE! Sodomize was recently altered to mean genitals to the face as
well as its previous meaning. It is the new meaning of sodomy that the athletes
are charged with, not the old. Although still severe, it is not rape and those
of you who are accusing my friends of being rapists and being rape victims are
very ignorant. Do some research before you throw such heavy and untrue
accusations around and above all don't believe everything the media tells you.
cottonwood has kids that have spent time in lock up for worse things LET'S GET
I only just heard about this.The coach and school did do what they were
supposed to do, and I praise them for that, but I'm just amazed that everyone
thinks that them doing what any human being should do is so amazing. Now, I'm
from Australia, and I don't know any school that even has a sports team, so the
thought of a coach ever attempting to cover something like this up is just
digusting (not this coach, obivously, but there are people saying others
would).It's not hazing by any means. It's rape and sexual assault. Now, I
despise treating people too softly, and while there's definetly a line, I
disagree with absolute no-bullying policies (I mean, kids have to toughen up
somehow), but this is just dispicable. For people to call something like this
simple bullying or hazing really shows how warped our younger generations are
becoming.And I bet if the victims were female, you'd see the word rape 50
times throughout articles on this. But, males (and football players at that) are
expected to be tough about it. "Boys will be boys". Please. Rape is rape,
regardless of gender or school activities.
What I find sadly funny in these situations are the second-guessers who claim to
know what the coach, players, or police should have done. Did it ever occur to
you that you are looking at all the pieces of the puzzle, without being under
any time pressure? And it's oh-so easy to claim, self-righteously that you would
have done this or that, even though you have no experience to back you up,
except what you write here. And who knows if that's the truth or not? So please,
just shut up and stop hunting for conspiracy theories.
Rape (and that's what this is) is a crime of violence and not a crime that
necessarly has to do with sex. Lashing out in violence by children is a
red-flag to indicate deeper issues. Children do not come into this world as
rapists. Whatever feelings of powerlessness and frustration that leads a child
to think that this kind of abuse toward another child is the best way to go
should be further explored and addressed. The hardest thing in a case like this
is to also always remain loving toward the children who perputrated the acts.
This is not easy, especially with our society's ideas toward homosexuality in
general and since these acts were perputrated against children of the same sex,
many will use it to fuel the flames of hatred toward gay people. That is
unfortunate. Please know that I do NOT suggest that we should ever accept
unacceptable behavior. However, to "throw-away" the kids who were the attackers
whithout trying to help them is to waste a valuable resource and perhaps a
chance to avoid future similar incidents.
Most of the comments are from people who do not know what went on. I don't
either, but it sounds like the coaches did all that could reasonably be expected
of them. I get frustrated with the Monday morning quarterbacking of those who
know how they should have done better -- when they do not any of the details.
BRAVO..I agree whole-heartedly!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In a year from now, this will have all blown over for the perpatrators. They
will have some form of court action, a little wrist slap and that will be that.
It is sick but it is the truth. We in America are weak when it comes to
criminals. We let murderers walk, rapists free and bullies roam.Our
prisons are full of people that have introduced drugs into thier personal
bodies, while the violent people get off after minimal time. We are
confused!!!!!!!!!!!!!This is also not an "athelete" thing, it happens in
choir, theater, chess and checkers. We live in a world with some sick bullies.
Keep your eyes open and go to Karate (but don't go to the restroom alone).
When I need a gravel driveway...I will just bring someone who has made a serious
mistake and say...He who is without sin among you cast the first stone...I
should have within seconds a few loads.. I am saddened that these kinds of
horrific behaviors occur, I am more saddened at the defeatists who use this as
an excuse to shut the world down...forward some hyper-moral agenda or simply
pronounce to all of us without a brain how evil the world has become... 300
million people and a few (six in jena then three at east high) define someones
view of our lives. I think we find a reflection of our fears in what we
condemn. I hope the best for all involved...I do not want to participate in a
stoning...not even if they are proven guilty. I wonder if in fifty years the
three who committed this crime will be productive and contibuting adults...or if
they wil have been discarded into the garbage pile of life. These comments on
both ends of the spectrum are more troubling to me than I would have imagined
when I began reading.
Stats indicate that children who sexually abuse were victims themselves once. If
the adults in this situation are really doing their jobs, we're all going to
hear about a lot more than just these three on this particular football team.
These are not good kids. They are not even kids. They are young men. They are
criminals. You can bet that their crimes are the results of being desensitized
by viewing pornography and violence for a period of time. Something like this
does not happen overnight. When will parents realize that their young people
need supervision, in and out of the home? Teaching them correct principles and
letting them govern themselves is fine for educated adults, but not for children
of any age. To govern oneself, you must have self-control, something most
teenagers and too many adults lack.I'm not completely blaming the parents
and I'm certainly not blaming the coach. The young men are the criminals. But
young people need supervision at home, at school, and at play. It's that
simple. Adults need to act like adults, parents like parents, because teens
will certainly act like teens, and without clear and reinforced rules, one thing
might lead to another and before long, crimes like these will be committed.
Parents: become and stay aware. Some growing-up sorrows can be avoided. Some
can't. This could have been avoided. I am so sorry for the victims and their
Its comes down to respect for another human being. No matter how old you are,
your parents should have instilled in you the importance of respecting others.
Parents need to teach character and integrity; these are the true traits of
Manhood or Womanhood. This story saddens me.
I've heard it all, from defending these boys to prosecuting them and the
bottomline is that they are not good boys. There may be a perspective that they
are but they committed a terrible crime against another human being. Can't
believe that people would rationalize this fact! These kids that were
victimized didn't choose to be. Its easy to choose a side when its not you that
These are good kids. They are young...they did something stupid and are
obviously going to learn a great lesson. They should not be going to
prison...even jail for that matter. Please have a heart and understand the
situation. I'm not excusing the behavior but I talk of hazing because that's
all they meant by it. They were wrong for what they did and this was sexual
assault but was not meant to hurt nor go this far. Be Christians for heavens
sakes and stop acting like you all know the situation and can pass judgement or
that your opinion even matters. Because first of all it doesn't, and seconly
you don't even know these boys or the decision...you have gone off of what the
media has said.
I think that every opinion that could be formulated has been expressed. Perhaps
the moderator could stop allowing comments.
I am amazed at the attack on the coach. He was told about this thing at 10pm,
and reported it first thing in the morning. People say he should have called
the police and school administrators that night? What were they going to do?
Arrest a kid on a rumor? Waiting til the next morning gave him a chance to make
inquiries to determine the validity of the accusation. Imagine if he had some
kid arrested in the middle of the night and been wrong. I think the coach did
the right thing by a) waiting, and b)acting on the tip. People need to walk a
mile in his shoes before judging.
Dear STUDENT. Thanks for your post. You know more about what happened than any
of us self-appointed judge and jury. But, as I said in my post, bullying is
inexcusable, and bullies should be punished. You know it when you see it. Be
sure you're being honest with yourself.
Why do so many of these sick people inhabit schools. It looks like our current
schools are among the most dangerous places for our children. After paying
billions of dollars per year, our children learn less than before and are
subjected to a needlessly high risk of abuse from teachers or peers. It is time
to take back the schools for the people instead of the education mafia who are
clearly failing all of us.
What? Hazing is gluing the kids locker shut or filling his helmet with peanut
butter. Sodomizing a guy is rape and way beyond weird. I don't see how anyone
could even use the term hazing in relation to this story.
Gee, I wonder what rap music those male "spawn" have been listening to.You
don't suppose MTV taught them the same way they taught the Abu Grabb soldiers do
you? Hmmm, let me stick my head in a hold and hope it goes away.Oops,
wait, I forgot, music or movies or TV doesn't affect kids behaviour.
this isnt hazing. its a sex crime. they should go to prison and be put on a sex
Actually, few of us know what really happened. We take the headlines and let
our imagination take over. No, this is not to minimize the actions, but some
discretion is warranted.However, one really wonders why we
incarcerate all children in schools for 12 years (more or less). Most kids get
ample education in the first six years of school to fit into civilization. So,
trade schools, apprentice programs, or even voluntary labor makes much more
sense. But I suppose the "educational" mafia would oppose anything as
RE: Ralph. This is not an attach...for the most part, I agree. But maybe men
can only re-learn those principles by embracing a more (traditionally) feminine
approach to life (something that is altogether taboo, for that would make them
"gay"). And be careful about blaming the parents; there is, perhaps, no more
insidious system of socialization that the schoolyard. Parents can teach until
the cows come home, but put the student in a context where "fitting in" and peer
pressure reign supreme, and there's just no telling what'll come out the other
side, ya know?
Anyone who has played football, wrestled, or virtually any other sport knows
that the object of the competition (at practices as well as games) is to
dominate and acheive as high a rank in the pecking order as your skills,
strength and character will allow. These "children" were not properly coached
or parented if they thought that such acts as they committed in ganging up on
someone would bring them prestige within the group. We have abandoned our young
men to a feminized and "politically correct" society. Men should re-learn the
priciples of chivalry, honor and strength of character. Also, allowing boys to
vent their naturally aggressive behavior in the noble sport of boxing wouldn't
be a bad idea either.
Even though the kids are 15 years old and may not be "noted for reason", they
apparently had enough reason to set a trap to sexually assault another person.
They should be punished as an adult would be punished. We're talking about
sexual assault NOT shoplifting.
These people were 15 years old. Hardly an age noted for reason, universal good
judgement and exemplary behavior - even among the church going! Isn't it
possible that they are guilty of grossly inappropriate, bullying behavior rather
than the felonious assaults for which they are charged? Bullying or
threatening horseplay among juveniles is inappropriate behavior and should be
condemmed, but rushing to judgement and demanding long prison sentences or worse
without knowing all the facts serves no one. Allegations levelled
by the prosecutor do not equate to knowing all the facts.
Hmm..Last Time I checked, Officials in public schools are SUPPOSED to act "en
loco parentis"--or in place of the parents--during school hours and activities.
Leagally that phrase makes the supervisor, teacher or coach liable for the
safety of the students under their watch. Reading some of the posts
that some coaches knew about muggings and other "hazing" acts makes me wonder
why aren'tthere at least 3 supervisors or coaches in the locker room until the
last student leaves? If I were the coach of East High, I'd wonder if the
parents of the alledged victim were going to sue in civil court since it
happened under his supposed supervision under "n loco parentis".
It's sad that some attribute this to homosexuality and "gay clubs".
Unfortunately, sports are inextricably linked to hegemonic masculinity--that
boys must be emotionless, aggressive, and in charge of their power. While these
actions are certainly reprehensible, they are not unlike instances of
heterosexual sexual assault, whereby the man wants to put the woman in her
place. As such, this certainly aligns with hazing, for these three aggressors
apparently wanted to steal the power from newbies while maintaining and
strengthening their own. If you think I'm nuts, that's fine, but before you
challenge me, read ANY book with "sports" and "masculinity" in the title. In
this age of political correctness and female prominence in sport, the locker
room is one of the last safe havens for traditional manhood. These acts have
nothing to do with sexual arousal; they are all about "marking territory".
Anybody claiming that this was an attack by "the gays" is clearly blinded by the
big picture/their own ideology. Moreover, they are advertising their own
ignorance regarding how systems of oppression writ large operate in our society.
So thank you. Thank you for sharing your stupidity with all of us. Please
As a coach and a teacher, let me assure you that the adults in charge must have
been neglecting their duties. You don't leave the student athletes at this age
unsupervised for any great length of time. You check the locker room frequently
or sit yourself somewhere so you can hear what's happening. It
shows a gross ignorance of liability issues on the part of the school/coaches
that this was able to happen three times before they knew about it.Cancel the season. The kids knew it was happening and did nothing. And what
kind of a school still uses its showers? Join the 21st century and ban the
showers. Most schools already have for this very reason. Harassment and rape.
Maybe there really is something to those science reports that claim toxins in
our lives are gradually changing male hormones into female hormones. If we can
have frogs with multiple legs, we can certainly have high school athletes with
unexpected desires. Maybe we'll just have to adjust and change standards when
the prom comes up.
If those three go to prison they may be on the receiving end of some of the acts
they tried to commit. Instant karma's gonna get you.
Isn't time we advance our learning experience by removing all forms of sports
from our schools? If students desire to play in league sports, let private
enterprise develop teams and leagues outside of the school system, where players
would front the cost to be on the team, instead of the taxpayer. Why should 100
parents pay school taxes so just one in 100 kids gets to play on the football
team? Its ridiculous in this day and age to allow this system to continue. Do
away with the sports and you do away with the violence and the locker rooms and
the showers where our children routinely are embarrassed or humiiated, or even
worse attacked or assaulted. Enough already.
So now we attach the moderator when it's east high writing this stuff weird
Everyone seems caught up in the politics surrounding what happened. I'm sure
that there is human excrement just like these boys in every school, red-state
and blue-state. They didn't do what they did because of a political belief. They
did it because they are scum. What matters most is what happens to the pathetic
creatures next. Will there be justice or not?
Uh... honestly you live in Utah, I don't think that these criminals were
"liberal" or lacking in "traditional conservative values." I think they were
sick boys looking for a power trip. People from both sides of the aisle seek
that kind of power, it is not tied into any specific morality, if it were, then
rape would be simple to stop, just outlaw one political party or way of
thinking. Sadly, the world doesn't work like that, and quick fix solutions
compound the problem raher than healing it.Don't blame liberals, you
live in the most conservative state in the U.S., by a long, long way. Maybe if
you lived in Mass. you could chaulk this up to acceptance of gays, but the face
is these boys probably have/had girlfriends, and still think they're straight,
despite being rapists.
Why are you all so surprised??? What do you think goes on in all our
alcohol-infused fraternity parties? When you are 19, 20 or 21, and drunk every
Thursday night? H E L L O ? Many of us never had parents that wern't busy at
work or too busy for us!
The next chapter of the story will be to portray the freaks as victims
themselves. Maybe they suffered a loss of self-esteem when they didn't make
quarterback or perhaps their mommies didn't love them enough. I'm sure there are
enough gullible people to buy any story the lawyers can devise. Alex is right,
the parents should be ashamed.
Forced sexual humiliation to show dominace today, Pimping out your son or
daughter tomorrow. Time to go back to teaching Traditional Conservative Values
at school and home.
You know prison time might be just the education the poor abusers need. Maybe we
could get it covered under the "No Pervert Left Behind" law.
Why are you surprised?.We trampled the pledge of allegience in
school, we banned school prayer. We banned Christmas and gave you "winter
break"... We rewrote history books to banish religious references and watered
down moral codes. Our teachers/professors have institutionalized
your kids to hate America and have no respect for the office of the Presidency.
School boards are now staffed with humanists and there is no longer a right or
wrong, just excusable shades of gray. We are breaking down your
family. Even marriage is a meaningless definition now.Kids who act
out are fed medications instead of receiving correction. Stern words might
offend someone, so it is replaced with "feel good" phrases that won't get us
sued.Should you really be all that surprised it has come to this?
Why? Your children are exactly what you are teaching them to be.Sick..... dellusional.....self absorbed and unconcerned with what is morally
right or wrong. After all, what is right or wrong all depends on your
individual opinion, does it not?
Hey Coach. The number is 9-1-1! The first call should have been made to the
gee VLADIMIR, at least we have a nation....you don't.
I'm glad that a few good people stood up and reported the sick behavior of the
boys on the team. What they did is not hazing, it is sick behavior for which
they need to be placed on the sex offenders list. It doesn't matter that they
are 15 years old. They should know better and their parents should be ashamed of
forcing their pathetic spawn into the public schools to abuse others.
Rape, Sodomy, Hazing? I would venture to guess these 3 didnt use their male
anatomy in any of this, but the usual nearby object that is so often part of
these sadistic rituals. Doesnt make it any less deviant, it brings out the
inner rage and need for domination that is usually within the leader of the
group. The others usually follow along, without the same rage, but caught up in
the Power themselves. usually the leader learned this behaviour from a relative
or older neighbor and quite possibly had it done upon them. Doesnt make any of
it any better. Just like the leader walking around with it inside for never
being able to tell a parent about it--they believe their victims will never tell
a teacher or coach or policeman either.I'm sure right now the leader
of this pack is having the conversation with his parents that should have
occurred at the time he learned of, witnessed or felt this same assualt upon
himself.Thank God for the judicial system to now determine
punishment. For not knowing is not a defense. If incarerated they will learn
real sexual assualt. Be careful when they r released.
In taking something "too far" your friend's behavior sadly ended up hurting your
some of your other friends. I'm sorry this happened. The consequences of their
actions are far reaching.Whether or not they originally "intended no
harm" is debatable, but regardless of their intent or they way the media may or
may not have blowen the story "WAY out of proportion; the lives of others have
been seriously and negatively affected by the choices and behavior of the
attackers. I don't believe the "people of the world have forgotten
that these students are still people". This story unfortunately became real when
three of your peers decided three other peers were not still people worthy of
respect. I'd be interested to know what you think the attackers
did, and how the community should go about giving them and their victims the
support they need.
The unfortunate thing is that the three will not be punished in any meaningful
way. It sounds like the coaches and school officials did the right thing. The
courts, I'm afraid, will not do the right thing. The American judicial system is
a joke. As assualts like this go on unpunished vigilante justice will be the
only refuge to good people. My thanks to the press at least for covering the
event. People deserve to know just how corrupt their nation is and how little it
is worth fighting for.
That is some SICK behavior...THEY DEFINATELY SHOULD BE ON A SEX OFFENDER LIST!
Let's see how this goes. First story: Mom and dad complain to the
principal because the coaches are walking around the locker room watching their
son naked as he changes his clothes. They want to have that pervert coach
removed.Second story: Mom and dad complain because their son was
attacked in the locker room. They want to know where were the coaches? They
should be fired because they aren't doing their job, watching the boys in the
locker room. Sounds stupid. NO, As a high school teacher and
administrator for 29 of my 33 years in education I faced these same comments
regularly. Half the parents wanted the coaches to walk the locker room all the
time and the other half didn't want the coaches watching their sons dress and
undress. After a shooting on campus and a police investigation we
found there were at least 30 students who knew the shooter had a gun, but didn't
want to rat him out. You would think somehow we administrators would know he
had the gun, after all 30 students knew it. On a campus of 4800 kids, 365 staff
and 50 acres we didn't know everything.
you all are talking more about what heroes the coaches are and not about the
victims. i feel sorry for them, they are the heroes.
Ok Mom. Maybe the student who is defending them in the previous post and claims
to be a friend cares to address that question. Student wants us to be "shamed
upon", so maybe this story is not true at all according to their version. Guess
the legal system will now determine that for all.I agree with that
other poster that the Coaches are as much to blame for allowing this environment
to thrive, even if Student says it wasnt as bad as the news said it was.
That is why I am asking Willie......I am curious as to the community outlook.
As a student of East High, I am familiar with the so-called "rapists" and
"perverts". I am a friend to both the victims and the attackers and I feel that
the people of the world have forgotten that these students are still people.
They intended no harm when they committed these "felonies" and the media has
blown it all WAY out of proportion. They are not rapists or molesters or any
other name you wish to call them. They are three boys who took something too far
and got into the news for it. They did not rape anybody nor did they do anything
of that nature. Half of the things you hear about in the news are untrue and
these are my peers and my friends and I am concerned about them all, whether
they are a victim or an attacker and they all need our support. The last thing
they need is the community turning against them and telling them to "rot in
jail". Shame on you all.
Hey Mom who asked: " No one has answered the question as to the
ethnicity of the three violaters.....Why not?"Uh, what difference
does it make on a persons ethnicity? I'm sitting here in Chicago and assume
they're all Mormons because this is Utah. Does that sound as foolish and short
sighted as your question?Should make no difference on their color,
or religion. If convicted they are rapists, period.
Why is this Coach and his staff being glorified as heros? Where was the
Leadership along the way that would have prevented this behaviour happening?
Were there no pep talks about hazing having a zero tolerance policy, just as
being caught smoking or drinking? Where was the relationship or "open door"
policy, so those who were being harrassed could have more easily approached
these Coaches? Where was the Leadership of the Captains, or "leaders" of the
team, who had to hear, or know of the abuse going on right around them? Showers
and locker rooms are filled with other players and the coaches are usually right
near by.Something stinks about this whole thing, well beyond a Coach
getting accolades well after the fact of the abuse occurring. I want to know
where the upfront leadership, direction, and example setting was by these so
called Sports Educators.15 year old student athletes dont normally
go this far out of bounds of society unless they are assurred they wont get
caught and if they do, nothing would be said. The other athletes who remained
mum on this are at fault cuz of the coachesinfluence.
No one has answered the question as to the ethnicity of the three
This sort of behavior occured on my fball team in the early 70's by guys that
went on to be married. to women. I still know them. This isn't an
assault by homosexuals, but it is sexual power-related gang behavior.
with the program that east has always had and will continue to have things like
this will keep it strong. yes the coach did what he was supposed to but it sets
a precedent and builds confidence with his team and the program will continue.
I applaud that school for involving the police. This is not hazing and no prank.
Similar incident happened recently in Virden Illinois and is being swept under
the rug. The police chief said he hasn't been 'asked' to investigate. I'm
heartened to hear this is not a universal reaction.
take away all the morals and all that remains is a situation of inexperienced
persons trying to communicate. whether that communication is agressive or
loving is immaterial. why do these young men have to manifest their
desires toward another in such a self-loathing/personal dispensing way?if
they were in a society that could and should love them for who they are, not who
they want to love, then maybe they would have boyfriends and be like every other
normal teen.society is to blame. we need more love.
Having sex is a felony? We need to save room in our prisions for real criminals.
I personally think that this is natural, though immoral, behavior. Life is a
power struggle. It's the survival of the fittest. Men have been raping women
since the beginning of time. Would this have been national news if it was done
to females? Everyone is up in arms because the revered son is victimized
instead of our daughters. My condolences to the victims.
"Staff acted heroically"Uh, we don't know that.
Put those perverts in jail where they can be hazed. Only problem is that they
will probably like it.
Where the heck were their coaches???? I have coach high school athletics for 20
years and would have known if someone was being raped (and that's what it is) in
the lockerroom or showers. These coaches are somewhat responsible for not
keeping a better eye on things. This is disgusting and any of the young men who
would be involved in such a sick act should be dealt with in a harsh way. I
don't have a problem with "hazing" if it includes silly rituals like carrying
the water buckets or washing to seniors lockers, but this is insane. What kind
of sick humans do such a thing?
This is just the tip of the iceberg. The sexual aspect is incidental to the
pervasiveness of bullying in K-12. In 19th-century schools, when social
Darwinism ruled, bullying, so-called "hazing," was seen as a way of establishing
the social order. Alas, tradition has allowed this cruel, obsolete custom to
become ingrained in today's school culture.No, schools aren't
babysitters, but conduct is part of the student's evaluation. Students should
be scrutinized for their oonduct, particularly towards other students, and held
strictly accountable. Abuse of other students should be as severly punished as
drugs or theft -- it is surely as reprehensible.I don't understand
why self-defense class is not mandatory in all lower grades, say 3-7. Yes,
boys will be boys (girls, too), whose aggression is natural and hard to control.
This's what sports are for. And this is why abuse should not be tolerated any
more in lockerooms than in schoolyards or bathrooms.Hazing, such as
silly stunts, can be good-natured, but too easily can become assault. Students
intuitively know the limits. Schools should not wait until confronted but
should proactively root out bullying and treat as it should be treated -- as a
Bullying? this is attempted rape. This is a criminal matter.
Extraordinarily sound judgement by coaches and school officials. Instead of
trying to cover this up, they attacked it head on and as a result, their honesty
and conviction appears to have had a positive effect on all concerned. Job
At my high school, only the coaches practiced "hazing". Their version of hazing
was a grueling practice of running and drills. There was so much hitting, I
would always come home bloody. We were all proud to be part of such a team. I
heard of other high school teams at that time who practiced some really wierd
hazing rituals, even sexual. I never respected nor recognized those teams. I
imagined the players must have been ashamed to be part of such a pathetic
organization...such a disgrace.
Hazing? Bullying?It sounds like some people want to face up to the
reality of the situation.
Hey man, why are you people picking on good ole football players? They're just
boys being boys. You should cut them some slack. By God here in Texas, we revere
our high school football players. Criticizing these boys ain't American.
You said:After you completely remove God from every school in the land,
what do you have left? It looks like the answer is demons. Imagine going to
school every day and having to ward off attacks from incubi and succubi and
other red-eyed fiends, and who ya gonna call?>>Well, i am not
someone who believes in God, and am someone who completely supports removing
such fairy tales from public education - leave that to the parent - but I nor my
family would NEVER condom such heinous activities. I don't need the
threat of God or the spectre of the hereafter to protect myself and my children
from becoming afflicted by vicious, subhuman behavior. In fact,
given the demographics, these boys WERE likely raised in religious faithful
households.This isn't about God's place (or absence) in schools:
this is about parents totally failing at instilling values in their children
DESPITE raising them "with God."
What really warms my heart is that the coach met with the team and told them
"why this behavior is unacceptable". Imagine, having to tell people that rape is
"unacceptable". These are crimes that go way beyond "hazing". Stupid parents and
stupid coaches. Amazing.
all these freaks out there need to find Jesus in the BibleFRED 2008!
Were all the perpetrators minorities? Someone compared this to Jena.I believe the students should sue the media for hypersexualizing them at an
early age. Letting minors watch some movies and television shows or listen to
RAP/POP for that matter should qualify as child abuse if not actual
If I had to guess, I'd say that these boys were raised by women, or had women as
the dominant role in the household. Sports are notorious for having feminine men
hiding the mother inside them with a super-masculine appearance.It's
all well and good to blame the symptoms, but deny the root cause. If you're not
the kind of noble man who can lead a household, if you're not the kind of woman
who can respect your husband's authority, if you're not the kind of person who
kept your belt buckled before marriage, look in the mirror - you made these
Isn't it amazing how as society's morals continue to decline behavior in
our public schools increasingly resembles behavior in our prisons.
This is just another example of bullying. It has to be stopped. Too many
children are being traumatized while going to school because of bullies.This takes the cake though! Sodomizing another student. This is just
awful. The kids that did this not only need to be punished but they also need
to be helped.
I cannot believe this is called "hazing" by some, when it is clearly rape or
attemptd rape. If these rapists were not jailed immediately, there is something
seriosuly wrong here. It's really sick to have even the slightest tolerance for
this sort of assault. "Hazing"? it's just outragous.
I never enter comments where there are word police.
I'm old guy, 1940s high school football. Hazing, initiation to serious football
took place at 1st block and tackle practice, when you discovered just how hard
someone could hit you with shoulder pads in sports-aggression by the rules. One adjusted naivete immediately, responded in kind, or folded in shock
and withdrew. If the latter happened, there was no school backlash. That
person was simply not a football player, very often went on to excel at other
things.Assaulting a tryout kid or new teammate sexually as hazing
would have been seen by every single person with any kind of view, kid, adult,
player, parent, coaches, admin staff, principals, as the most inconceivably
repugnant possiblity. A remote hint would have invoked every horrified authority
into stopping perpetrators NOW, no disagreement about whether this was a
crime.That was then. This is now. How did we get from then to this?
Stirring mud today won't get us out of it & we can't time travel back.How should we pray? Your Honor! Tonight flip us all into someplace better than
this. I hope it works!
For our national viewers, EAST HIGH is where the hit Disney movie HIGH SCHOOL
MUSICAL was filmed. They changed the mascot to Wild Cats for the movie but kept
the same colors. Still to this day many young movie fans drop by the
school to take pictures and see where their favorite scenes from the movie where
filmed.I had to mention this because East High is a great school and
hope these latest happenings don't take away from some of the better things East
is known for.
I'm thrilled that a school reported this type of CRIME to the police. All
too often, the actions of "jocks" gets explained away. However, the
school employee waited TOO LONG to call police. A sex crime should not be
reported to the school first and then muddled through school bureaucracy until
"the next day." Police should have been called immediately upon the first
You people that post these comments make everything alot worse! Everytime
someone tells what happened it gets worse. These boys were not trying to hert
him but they took it to far. Why cant it end at that? Everyone needs to get
over themselves. I bet that everything will be alright in the end!
Re: Mike said, "I find it hard to believe that the victims told no one, that
rumors did not get out." It is quite obvious that you've never been
the victim of assault (sexual or otherwise). I speak from personal experience
when I say that the humiliation of having gone through abuse is bad enough; the
last thing you want is for all your friends to KNOW about it. Associated with this is the feeling that you're somehow to blame, even when
your logic assures you you're not. Also, a victim will feel completely alone
and alienated--that's why it's almost a relief to learn other people have been
through the same thing. There's a reason that once a case is broken, more
victims come out since they finally know they're not alone.This is
simple human psychology. Very few people are able to immediately report any
kind of abuse, and it's worse when it's sexual abuse. Having to talk to
EVERYONE about what you went through only reinforces the pain and makes you
relive it time and again. I just pray the victims have a good family/spiritual
base and get the counseling they need.
"Jeff in Texas" -- any act, including "pushing a penny across the floor" that
one does as a result of force or coercion is inappropriate, those who are
exerting the influence, be it by force or fear, are COWARDS, those who condone
it are idiots. Those who repeat these actions by doing similar things to others
are perpetuating the cowardly and stupid, just as those who were molested then
in turn molest are perpetuating those heinous acts.
Anybody take a good look at the world lately? There's not much left but sex.
The brainpower is disappearing and traded for rough sports, and the sex gets as
violent as many other activities we encounter. The controversial sex researcher
Kinsey supposedly said that the only unnatural sex act is the one that can't be
performed. Otherwise, it's all out there and it isn't going away. The
teenagers know that and their parents, while well-intentioned, are hysterical,
neurotic -- and clueless. Who are the victims? Who? Are you sure?
To all of the ex jocks on here commenting about boys being boys, would you feel
the same if this happened to your daughters, sisters, wives, or mothers?This wasn't a hazing. This was an assault by three punks that need a
good old fashioned beat down.
This is Horrible! I can't believe these guys thought this was Okay behavior.
This is sad. My heart goes out for the victims and their families. I agree with
a few others...I think they should be tried as adults!! They're old enough to
know the difference between right and wrong. Please CHARGE THEM AS ADULTS!!!
THIS WAS VERY WRONG!
Hazing? Anything involving the sort of acts alleged, ain't quite hazing folks.
Just one more direct result of teaching "values clarificaton," "situation
ethics," etc. in schools. Teaching that there are no absolutes tells kids just
that. Whatever seems right at the moment is okay. This is what has happened to
this country - through its insane, self important and self righteous shrinks
running their insane asylums called "schools."
I personally think that the 3 boys need to be charged as adults. I'm assuming
they are all white boys. I'm scared to think if it were white boys that did it
to even one black kid, or if it were to a female. This would never end. Charge them as adults, no leniency (I can't spell either).
Of course no town meeting. You need only go 10 posts deep into this blog to see
how insulated this amazing coach and administration is. Welcome to the East
side.(Funny, all of the posters use different names, but the same
adjectives-- does everyone share the same English teacher?-- to describe this
awesome man. Question, if he is so wonderful and builds such amazing character,
why were there repeated rapes in "his" amazingly wonderful locker room over a
two week period by his "awesome" athletes? Things that make you go
Those three boys have certainly made mistakes. To err is quite human after all.
However, they still have very good long term potential. For example, they
might make excellent Republican members of the U.S. Senate or House or
Representatives. If their punishment is to include any community service, may I
suggest that service as a page or intern in Washington D.C. might provide them a
lot of experiences from which they can learn.
I do not think one person has asserted that the coach condones this behavior. I
am sure he teaches "awesome" football and I am sorry you feel insulted.I am very happy that "you" were not subjected to repeated rape on school
property. As adults it is our responsibility to protect minors from preditors of
any age. Any person who has questioned the actions of the "caring coach and
administration" has not done it in an attempt to hurt anyone. The facts are
what they are, what happened was not an isolated incident but a series of
behaviors that cannot be allowed to happen in a place where parents drop
thousands of children off daily hoping and praying for their safety. If "Coach" cares like you say he does, he would be the first to tell you that
students need safety and he should be first in line to address this issue so
that something like this would never happen again. Honorable people can be
negligent in their responsibilities. Read some of the previous posts
from those who have been assauted and be thankful it wasn't you. I don't want it
to happen to my children, or anyone elses.
Wow! I thought HS football was all about fun and then off to the dance after the
game. That is a very distrubing story. That is not hazing folks! That is a
crime by sexual predators. I hope there was a town meeting to get to the bottom
Those 3 boys should be expelled immediately.
And now you know why (now grown-up) nerds like me always thought jocks in high
school were gay. LOL.
Why are there not coaches in the locker rooms. If this school was really
attempting to keep their students safe there would not be a single student in a
locker, shower or for that matter any room in the entire building without an
adult who gives a care. Simple, straight and to the point. Instead of no child
left behind, how about: no child left ALONE. Not one!
I'm a Student at East and I knowf or a fact our school and administration took
the proper actions as soon as the events were reported. Coach Whitehead is an
amazing coach and man and would NEVER, absolutely never condone what happened.
Coach not only teaches our football players how to play awesome football, but he
cares about them as well as students and individuals. I have no respect for
those on here who have insulted him or the administration when they have no
right to do so and are not around the administration as much as the football
players and students.
Maybe they should change thier logo to East High Rainbow Warriors!
The school took proper action?What are you people thinking?If you saw a rape or any crime in your yard, would you wait until the next day
to report it?Until the coach explains why he waited to report the
crimes until the next day, this is not acceptable.This happend to
two students between August 30th and September 11th. I find it hard to believe
that the victims told no one, that rumors did not get out. Students gossip and
create drama over the simplest things, yet this slips past everyone at the
school for two weeks. This happened on school property.Why are
people not outraged? Our we so blinded by sports and glory that we are willing
to protect the adults to whom we trust our children at the expense of their
safety. You applaud and find these actions "refreshing". I find
the lack of action apalling. The lack of a moral compass by so many of the
"posters" on this blog sickens me. Don't any of you have children that you love
and want protected from predators? I hope someone finds the courage to hold the
The schools have kicked out God and allowed Satan to enter. That's why it
This behavior went on for over two months and the coaches didn't know about it?
Ignorant? No it sounds more like negligence if it were my son I'd file a civil
lawsuit against the defendants, the coaches and the school.The coaches
waited to notify the school administration and then everybody started to circle
the wagons,Depose the three kids and ask them who else knew what was going
on.Strange question to a victim of sexual assualt about returning to
practice, I would think the administrator would offer to get him some
counseling.Whatever it takes to raise upstanding young men, I guess.
SICK!The RAPISTS should rot in JAIL!
I think many of us feared that this sort of thing might occur following the
establishment of the Gay/Lesbian Alliance at East High School. From the
viewpoint of this school-approved club, the only thing wrong with this behavior
was the force involved. I hate to say "We told you so?"
Ethnicity is relevant. Black and brown sexual violence on white is rampant -
just check the FBI stats. If this is an integrated school, that is one of the
Inhabitants of this second-rate society are capable of just about anything
disgusting. Way to go, Baby Boomers. You sure have made a difference; even
your grandchildren are perverted, wanton and, basically, sociopathic. Were
these "kids" LDS, by the way? I would seriously doubt it.
This is what happens when you participate in such a barbaric sport. I say ban
this sport as it will only lead to more violence.
The sexual assault speaks for itself. This was a crime and, so far, has been
handled appropriately. The season should not be canceled and anyone, regardless
of "status" who commits a crime should be held accountable by the school and
civil authorities. In this day and age of school coverups, obfuscations, and
lies, it's refreshing to actually see a school take the proper action. Way to
go East High.
Richard, Why do you want to know the ethnic background of the kids? Whats up
I would be interested to know who raised these young men to think that this was
acceptable in any enviroment. How about a little personel accountability my the
parents. These are the actions of a horrible adult and these "juvenile's" need
to be treated as such.
After you completely remove God from every school in the land, what do you have
left? It looks like the answer is demons. Imagine going to school every day
and having to ward off attacks from incubi and succubi and other red-eyed
fiends, and who ya gonna call?
Ummm. . first off, I have absolutely no interest in the "ethnic backgrounds" of
the perpetrators. Secondly, you who think this was about sex are ignorant of the
psychology of rape (and this WAS attempted rape). It's not about sex, homo- or
hetero-. It's about power and self-loathing. It's a more violent expression of
the syndrome we see in those blowhard conservatives who are so repressed that
they can be rabidly anti-homosexual out of one side of their mouths while
inserting naughty no-nos into the other. Does the name Larry Craig ring a bell?
And not just him. There's a pretty big list ya know. ;)
This crap happened to me at summer camp 38 years ago.I still
remember that incident with outrage and disgust. My counselor just laughed
about it. I hate them all for it, and have NOT forgiven them.
It would at least be interesting to know the ethnic backgrounds of the
perpetrators and the victims?
I agree with a poster, this team should have its season cancelled now! While
this felony did occur and it did involve only sophmores, there is no way to make
light of this. These boys, by wearing the East uniform, are representatives of
the entire school and the whole football program. I think that a school up
north was forced to give up a season a few years ago for a less severe
incident.The coaches at this school should be in area and be a
presence in and out of the lockerroom (if I understand right that this happened
at the school)so that this can't happen. So as much as you want to applaude the
East coach, there is still some blame that he must face. I am glad that these
vagrants were removed from the team, and that it was reported, but it shouldn't
have happened a first time and definatly not a second or third. It
is sick to think that various youths were but throught this and I hope and pray
that they can put this in the past and move on with their lives.
Coach Whitehead is responsible for his team and their actions. This
started September 3rd and I am sure that is when the rumors started flying
around school. I have worked in a large High School as a teacher and ran a
varsity girls basketball program out of state for years. You follow up the
rumors and make sure it doesn't happen.If someone is raping kids,
you call the police. If anyone had heard about this at 10:00 and waited until
the next day to report it, they should not be responsible for the safety of
students. The victims might have retaliated, hurt themselves, hurt others, etc.
Coach Whitehead has all of the culpability until it is reported, and
all of the coaches, athletic directors and fans vouching for his character and
what he's going through mean nothing if something would have happened that night
between when he knew and when he reported it. It is the Law. I
sincerely hope that when the truth comes out coach Whitehead is cleared, but I
would quit apologizing for the man until this happens. If the students safety
were put in jeopardy, he should be held accountable.
Chimp, how is this political in anyway? It's not. This is a story about sexual
assault, aka an act that violated the law. Too much time on drudgereport has
made you incapable of separating politics from the situation. This type of
behavior is intolerable no matter which political side you tend to lean towards.
That is why it is against the law. Your rhetoric lacks the application of
something I like to call "Common Sense".
This is disgusting. i mean these poor kids are being hurt because of some idiot
kids. thank god for coaches like Whitehead.
In Boulder Colorado this would be considered American History 101. They are so
cool in Boulder and free to do whatever they like.
Deroy (above) is right when he says to: " discontinue football and all other
sports. -do all classes via cable TV".High school is a waste of
time for the vast percentage of kids. There are a few who can get some good,
but that's often negated by being exposed to uncivilized animals. We are
reaping what we've sown and we've gotten a pervered,collectivist society.
So the coach let them know that their behavior was "unacceptable." A five year
old saying a four letter word is "unacceptable." These boys have allegedly
engaged in conduct that is hateful, immoral and criminal and should be punished
accordingly if guilty. Rape is rape. Minimizing such conduct does no one any
good. It's just "unacceptable" to do so.
"Those who don't mind "being hazed, as JJ and Tom in Texas suggest, are victims
of pathological psychological forces -- the technical term is the "Stockholm
Syndrome" (Look it up.).Someone who defends hazing is sick or a good
ol' idiot."JJ and Tom were not saying that this, or any other
violent act, is hazing. They are saying that sometimes people do pranks for an
"initiation" that does no harm. The example give of pushing a penny across the
floor with your nose is a good one. There is no harm done; it is just something
"to do". These cases were criminal sexual assaults, plain and
After watching CNN's coverage of the "Jena Six" story, I have been enlightened.
Stomping someone after he's lost consciousness or raping another male is no
crime. Now, if those boys had hung a noose in a tree, they should be put to
death! When is America going to wake up. After all, if you had to choose,
wouldn't you rather be raped or stomped by 6 guys rather than endure the sight
of a piece of rope left by a 16 year old?
I don't know why "hazing" is attached to this. It's not an organized petty
harrassment by the veteran players - it's rape pure and simple. they took
advantage of thier victim's vulnerability. I suppose if these kids were
straight, the victims would have been girls - sexual orientation is not the
issue. It's not only female rape victims that are scared to report.Whether the the coach should have known or seen. Give them the benefit of
doubt. They found out about it, then took the time to verify that there were
grounds to call in the authorities before they potentially ruined someone's life
with false charges. then they called the cops.My concern is this:
why would any players feel they were safe from being discovered doing this on
school grounds? Coaches should be walking through the locker rooms unpredictably
(MWA -management by walking around) just so the perps would know there is a
serious risk of being caught. Unsupervised teenagers can get up to lots of
So you are saying that men regularly rape each other and that is nothing new,
just good old horseplay and hazing. My gosh, I am glad to not be a boy. Rape
is absolutely unacceptable behavior at any age.
When did forcible rape become an acceptable form of male bonding? I don't recall
anyone in my groups throughout Life, be it in school or the military or even in
the work place ever suggesting we rape the new guy or girl to see how they would
react. This trend towards the violent and perverse among todays youth frightens
me. Where did these kids get the idea that this was something they would get
away with? A few years ago on long island football players sodomized a kid
during training camp and the parents tried to blow it off as a childish prank.
Something in our society is truly twisted.
If they are so interested in sodomy, put them in prison for a year
HAZING?!?! Who in their right mind would call this "hazing"?!Forcing someone down, holding them down, and sodomizing them is CRIMINAL
SEXUAL ASSAULT. It's rape.Let's call it what it is, not play word
games like Rush Limbaugh and call it fun school boy pranks, routine hazing, or
"boys will be boys" like he did with the torture at Abu Ghraib.
I went to East, and this is reprehensible. This never happened while I
attended.And kiddies who are huge fans of High School Musical think
they all sing and dance there? I wish they did, it's nicer than what happens in
real life in high schools in America.
Come on, boys will be boys.They have the pro sports stars' examples to
prove they can do pretty much whatever they want with minimal consequences.
This was attempted on me when I was a sophomore in high school. Luckily, I
landed a good left uppercut on one the three trying to rape me ("just for fun").
Knocked the S.O.B. out cold and the other two ran out of the locker room.These kids need to be punished to the full extent of the law.
I don't think that is considered hazing - isn't hazing an organized activity
carried out by upperclassmen? These were 15 year olds. Sick sick sick.
These "boys" should be kicked out of school for life. After serving whatever
time they do, they should never be allowed to hang out with anyone younger than
18, ever. These are people shaped animals and it is about time we stand up
and demand that we not be forced to tolerate their presence. They gave up being
kids when they started doing these things, let them pay their dues and then go
get a job. I am sure they can learn a trade in jail.
i don't think that it was very nice of those boys. but i think they might have
just been fooling around. i think if they really wanted to rape, at least one
of the 3 incidents would have gone to completion. one boy successfully fighting
off multiple attackers everytime? i think the assailants were just trying to
humiliate their victim, but not actually penetrate. still a horrific act that
deserves to be punished. but i do believe this incident resembles "hazing" more
so than true "rape".
What has our society come to? Easy to see why these things happen when morals
mean nothing to many of our countrymen, educators and politicians. There is
such a decay in standards that it has become "anything goes". Shame on America.
chimp my ride,This incident occurred in the most conservative state
in the union. Your statement does not really deserve any acknowledgement, but
its absurdity has prompted me to action.
One of the best things to come out of this is these three perps have been
identified early in their deviant careers
As bad as this incident is, I believe hazing is becoming less and less
acceptable, and less tolerated. It will never be extinct as long as people are
people, but nowadays it is dealt with more frequently and harshly, thus keeping
it at bay. In contrast to NYker, I believe that ANY tolerance of such acts
cultivates a mentality that mutates and grows into bigger problems in the wider
society. The fundamental basis of the criminal mentality is "every person for
themselves," and "don't rat." Hazing and toleration of it feeds into both of
those. Each incident can and should be dealt with according to the
severity of the incident. My freshman coach dealt with a very, very minor
incident by making us ALL run 5 miles of stair laps. That hammered the message
home, and no one in my class ever attempted or tolerated hazing again. In this
case, appropriate steps have been taken. What WOULDN'T be appropriate is
punishing those who neither participated or witnessed by cancelling the season.
The right lesson was taught by punishing the guilty, celebrating the person who
brought it to light, and affirming the victims.
Being a man, Hazing never helped anyone do anything. Push-ups may make you a
man, pushing yourself to your physical limits may make you a man, hazing only
shows the hazers as cowards and bullies. Those who don't mind
"being hazed, as JJ and Tom in Texas suggest, are victims of pathological
psychological forces -- the technical term is the "Stockholm Syndrome" (Look it
up.). Someone who defends hazing is sick or a good ol' idiot. Even the kind of hazing such as "making them carry your equipment to
the bus" is stupid, non-productive, and is the virus that grows and mutates into
conduct such as this. Mike Vick was only "hazing" those dogs.
This has rape, plain and simple. Hazing is between upper classman and under
classmen. These were all sophmore and they knew what they wanted, they stalked
out there victims are attacked them. The stdents, coaches, school district and
police all did the right thing. The only thing wrong eith this was some idiot
called it hazing.Cambridge Dictionary of American English:haze
(TREAT BADLY) verb [T] to force (people new to a group, esp. a
college social group or sports team) to take part in activities that are very
embarrassing and sometimes harmful
Some people call it hazing I would call it rape. Im with Jamie.
Bullykilla, your "typical jock behavior" comment is as uninformed as it is
idiotic.Don't try and sell us that you've "...quit all participation
and support of any professional sport..." You never played any sport and you
know it!Go back to playing backgammon. Your insipid comments have
no place here.
Liberalism is destroying the very fabric of american so ciety.
these kids need to give up they're liberal ways.This is just not good.
What about that kid they let transfer from lone peak? he gets to play like
tonight...can these kis do that?
Why would you ask if they are LDS?
Silly civilians. You can't punish athletes. It could affect their careers.
I know this is pretty nasty stuff, but kick them off the team??? C'mon,
that's a little harsh!
time to play the race card?
this is crazy. why dont you print what it really is. RAPE or attempted RAPE.
what a shame that they dont call it what it is. maybe it would make young men
wake up and realize it is NOT HAZING. as far as the coach goes. i think it is
sad it would take an act like this to make a team play better. makes me wonder
what signs where there before that should have been a huge red flag to do
something about it before it ever went this far.
Since the boys names cannot be released because they are minors, why not release
the names of the parents. They should be hanging their heads in shame for what
their children have done and deserve scrutiny from the community. The parents
are responsible for teaching their child what is right and wrong. Right?
discontinue football and all other sports.do all classes via cable
TV.no more school buses.that would be the end of GM who have
been behind bussing kids to school all these years.curfew for all
chill-runzz from 8A to 4P.those are school hours.
Freaks are raised by freaks. Bet the adult supervision was close to zero. There
are bad eggs everywhere. You'd think the fellow students would be somewhat aware
- this story would have ended better if the students were the ones to come
forward and rat out the offenders. I'm sure they knew...
Who knows, perhaps these boys will grow up and become conservative Republican
Typical jock behavior. Look at what kind of 'heroes' these kids have. I have
quit all participation and support of any professional sport.
No, they're gay alright. And openly granting legitimacy to gay groups gives
perverts like these perpetrators a green light in their minds to committing
perverted acts in public with non-consenting victims. How else do they get the
idea? In church?
93 comments and it wasn't untilcomment # 75 that someone triedto
tell us that "it was Brigham'sfault", ad nauseam [# 88 +/-}.Only two (2) warts in an otherwisecivilized exchange of thoughts.
These 15 year-old rapists will get to experience some real rape after they get
thrown in prison with the big boys. FRESH MEAT!
The same hazing happened recently in Virden, IL...
To Rich--Hockey? I played hockey for fourteen years, and hockey players
are the most disgusting, disturbed people I've ever been around.....aside from
maybe firemen......so I don't think that hockey is the answer.
Capt. Depending on thei criminal history, they could be charged as
adult, depening on the policy of the media or your state they names may become
The suspects in this case have real issues and will most likely get some time.
Will this happen to them while they are inside, maybe, but most likely what
will happen is they will continue to victimize smaller guys in their new home as
well. If the previous posts were accurate and they were starters I would assume
they are pretty good sized guys.I have to agree it is about power
but there is a sexual component in how they chose the victims. Once the
identities come out, you may see more victims come out of the woodwork including
females who may have been date raped
Chris, your comment that this type of behavior is abhorrent is correct. Problem
is the rest of your post is pure garbage. Yes, 3 boys took did something aweful
but what does that have to do with the rest of the team or program. Why punish
the whole team and community for their actions? That would be stupid.If the coachs had not done their job (tried to hide this or someting) then
something along the lines of canceling the season/shutting down the program
should be considered. But that isn't what happened.As I see it, the
leadership has made a very strong statment by their actions. They have kicked
them off the team and turned them over to the police (they did their job). But
further is the leadership they are showing by not getting involved in the hazing
vs rape (I believe it is rape) debate. They have strictly said neither is
tollerated here and they will not have it. A great message sent to the players
and the whole community. Second is the leadership they are showing torwards the
victims in how they have been treated. I believe this is their job, and I say
Names were withheld due to they are minors. Any minor who commits a felony
should not be protected. Being 15 years old they are mature enough to understand
what the law is. Names and photos should be public knowledge not withheld. It
goes with the crime.
This is why we should all play hockey.
Now that Drudge has picked up on this story it goes national. Hopefully now
these disgusting thugs will get the prison time they deserve and it won't be
just swept under the carpet.
Are these fine young men LDS
Hmmm comments are just sad. These are not gay boys, they are straight boys who
think it's "funny" or "just a joke" to force another human being into doing
something they do not want to do. It's no different than if they had attacked a
woman. They are seriously disturbed - sexual preference had nothing to do with
When I was that age 50 years ago, we did not even know that such behavior
existed. Our culture now is all about perverted sex. We need to clean up TV,
movies and music.
Chris, I find your comment about cancelling the season to be a gross
over-reaction. It wasn't the team that committed these heinous crimes; it was a
few individuals who are being held accountable for their actions. The team (and
their opponents who want to play against them) should not be punished for what a
few players did. The team is responsible to police it's own, but such gross
aberrations need to be ferreted out for what they are, and not imputed to the
rest of the players.
this isnt hazing. those 3 are a bunch of perverts
The ACLU needs to step in and defend the civil liberties of these children.
I can't believe this article never says the word rape. This was rape, and those
rapists should be locked up for years and years.
I cannot buy into anyone's assertion that this was hazing. True hazing is
good-natured, and can bring people closer together. Most things that are passed
off as hazing nowadays are really violent actions that would be prosecuted if
they happened on the street.This was rape, or attempted rape at
best. This is an attempt by one group to assert dominance over another, and it
takes us back to the stone age. This is not acceptable and should be prosecuted
to the fullest extent of the law. The school and coaches are to be
congratulated for their quick action in contacting authorities. However they
should be castigated for creating an environment where the perpetrators would
even consider that this was acceptable behavior.Throw the book at
NYker | 10:46 a.m. Sept. 28, 2007"While i do not condone the
actions, i catogorically disagree with police intervention."I wonder
if you'd feel the same way if somebody tried to put their private part up your
For everyone that thinks this is being blown out of proportion, what if the
victims were girls, would you still feel the same way? I hope that this
attempted rape of a man gets treated the same way an attempted rape of a woman
would be treated, but will see. It normally doesn't, the double standards must
be removed. Attempted rape is attempted rape.
To NYker...what an idiodic statement.A sexual assault is a felony.Police
involvement and a strong justice system is CERTAINLY what is needed.
You've got to remember that this incident did not involve ANY varsity players!
It is in the program and i understand that but the news did not make it clear
that they WERE SOPHOMORE PLAYERS and that it occured away from the varsity team.
The varsity team is doing too well to have anything taken away from them just
because of a BAD HEADLINE. The media needs to realize this and they owe East an
appology. Good luck the rest of the season leopards! Hold your heads up high!!
oh, the attackers will probably get off with a slap on the hand and wind up with
half of this country feeling sorry for them...the victims will wind up being the
horrible ones...there will be busloads of people going there to stand up for the
poor boys whose childhoods led them into this way of life...ever heard of Jena,
Cancelling the season is the right thing to do if you want to hammer home the
point that this behavior will not be tolerated and an individual's actions
impact more than himself. This kind of behavior is abhorrent, and it seems that
the hyper-religious community that Utah is is turing a blind eye to it. They're
ignoring the brutality of it and changing subjects by saying that the coach is a
I really feel bad for the victims. This was not hazing it was rape!
I couldn't agree with you more. Thank you for your comments.
I think this incident is getting blown way out of proportion. Hazing is
something thats gone on for thousands of years more or less without consequence.
While i do not condone the actions, i catogorically disagree with police
Ricardo you are correct sir.
In this stupid PC world of ours we have way to many overreactions to things that
don't amount to a hill of beans but this is different. If the facts are correct
it sounds like these little perverts need some jail time where someone may just
put them on the receiving end of a rape. Three cheers to the coaches and school
for stepping up and handling the situation.
Jocks have been hazing kids when i was in school 30+ years ago and always got a
pass because they were jocks. But this story really illustrates how sick our
society is and how that sickness shows up everywhere including our schools. I'm
just thankful my son is grown, I really fear for kids being born into the world
Why would punishing the victims and bystanders by canceling the season ever be
considered the right thing to do? "Gee, some football players were victims of
assault, so let's add insult to injury by canceling their season" is a lame and
To those who defend 'hazing' and who hesitate to call these repugnant acts
'rape,' your conscious self-blinding reactions are only going to maintain the
level of danger the victims of these crimes faced or will enhance the danger.
To those who say 'if your child doesn't go to this school, it is not your
business,' you are also sheltering yourself from the part of the world that lies
outside your little community. Wake up. You are probably Christians defending
rape by omission of protest. What would Jesus do? Well, the Jesus I know
wouldn't tolerate such life-changing violations upon these young individuals.
He'd smote you for being so goddamn ignorant.
Being a coach's wife, I know there is not much that goes on with these athletes
that coaches don't know. This was a sexual assualt. Their names should be
entered in the "sexual predator" lists, so something serious can be done about
them WHEN they commit this crime again. Attacks do occur in the locker rooms
more often than are reported. Most of them are muggings by two or three
athletes usually against the last one to leave the locker room. They obviously
have it planned. They know exactly what they are doing, and it is not hazing.
This just shows there is more to these 3 boys motives than simple "hazing", if
that was ever their intention. As a heterosexual male, I would think there
needed to be a certain level of "arousal" for these 3 boys to be convinced this
is something they needed to do. Leaving sexual preference at the door, the only
thing left is forced sexual intent.
This sort of thing was a common practice in the wrestling program at our high
school in the late 80s early 90s. It is perplexing as a lot of these guys are
really homophobic, yet they do things like this.Odd.
When did the gay club merge with the football team? This is why gay clubs
shouldn't be tolerated. Sexual preference is not a legitimate differentiator.
Well, boys will be boys. Whats the big fuss? Pranks like this have been going
on for generations. For all we know it could be just a simple misunderstanding.
This is America where you are innocent until proven guilty!
Memo to Athletes' Mom, whose "athletes" don't attend East High. Where I come
from, they are called "children" or "sons/daughters."
The depravity of mankind. Repulsive and ever worsening.
To those who consider hazing an OK activity, it is precisely the acceptance of
hazing with a wink and a nod that leads to more intense hazing as those that
were victims of hazing will want to get even by stepping up the activity that is
perpetrated on their victims. It should come as no surprise that the deviate
behavior would intensify over time, which is what happened here. It is not
about sex or homosexuality, and can easily be blown off by using those terms.
It is about having power over another. This is exactly why hazing of any kind
must not be tolerated.
Good on the coach and administration acting swiftly after learning what was
happening. Hazing is making the first year players carry your equipment to the
bus, what happened here was flat out criminal.For those that think
the coach should have known all along, it's one thing to keep track of your own
children, try to keep track of 50+ high school kids all at once. I used to
teach and saw 130 students a day. I can promise you, the only thing I could
keep track of was their grades.Why not praise someone for doing
their job, they darn sure get flak when they don't.
This kind of thing just didn't happen (nor did anyone dream of it happening when
I was a student on the football team in midwestern state (1960's). And don't try
to tell me some bull about we just didn't hear about it. IT WASN'T HAPPENING. We
weren't continually exposed to and overwhelmed by violent films, rap lyrics,
pornography, etc...and sexual perversion wasn't a lifestyle or accepted as
normal behaviour.It makes me very scared for my grandsons when I see what
kind of anger, disrespect, and perversion are present in today's youth. But when
you present abnormal, anti-social, uncivilized behaviour as the norm and
obscenity as freedom of speech, when God is no longer permitted to be part of
our country and our heritage as our forefathers embraced, and when liberal
socialism and political correctness are promoted by the mainstream media, what
can we expect as a Nation and as a people?The parnets of these sezual
perverts and thugs should be closely investigated, as well.
Those who think this happens everywhere are just ignoring the problem they
have.I played football for a state championship program, a USA Today
top 25 ranked team. In my 3 years playing in high school I never saw or heard
of any act of hazing. We knew that it was unacceptable behavior and that the
coaches would come down hard on any hazing type of behavior. Hazing is not a
requisite for team unity.I have no idea when the coaches learned of
this or how quickly they acted, nor if they handled it well or not.I
do know that coaches can create a culture over time where hazing becomes
unacceptable at any level. Maybe this was a first step towards that end. I do
not know enough about this program to know.
I was involved in a simular incident when I was in school many years
ago...believe me, the coaches and other players knew what was going on and more
than likely tried to cover it up....IF he's such a good coach, why not cancel
the season..this would send a message that is you do the crime, know about the
crime, and refuse to report the crime, you all pay the price
I think what the coaches did was great. I live out of state and our coaches
denied what was going on and fought to keep kids who were hazing on the football
Those posters who are comparing this to rape are right on. Call it what it is.
Whether it is male or female, locker room or bedroom, "friend" or stranger it is
rape and should be treated as such. Those who say Coach Whitehead was just
doing his job, I'm here to tell you that it was far above what some coaches
would do. There are some who not only turn a blind eye, but actually encourage
"hazing". I know of once situation where a coach allowed athletes on his team
to verbally and mentally abuse team members. He actually did it himself. He is
now an administrator at a school on the east side of the SL valley. The abuse
needs to stop. The actions of East High coaches and administrators should be
applauded by all. I would be glad to take my children to a school that has such
I know how you community feels. We have a similar occurance here in South
Missouri. About 22 male basketball players from the East Carter County R2
school district of Ellsinore, Mo. attended a basketball camp at Lyon College,
Batesville Arkansas the week of June 10-13, where allegations of horrible sexual
hazing of boys ranging from ages 13-15 by older boys and was reportedly caught
on a cell phone and found by a parent of one of the students involved. Although
sexual hazing has been alleged, the local prosecutor has indicated in a
Batesville newspaper interview that he intends to file far less serious charges
than parents of the victims had sought. Prosecutor McSpadden (a veteran
criminal attorney but newly elected prosecutor) said there could be no sexual
hazing because there was no evidence of sexual gratification. Further research
on his part will find that the sexual hazing issue is about power and domination
over a victim. In other words, past sexual hazing cases elsewhere have been
regarded by prosecutors as male-on-male sexual assault--without any
gratification on the part of perpetrators except to assert power and dominance.
WHAT??????? We all need to band together!!!!
these boys should for sure be put on sexual registry! that is just not right,
hazing is not about sexual acts!
Unfortunately, there are thousands of "men" out there who have done varying
degrees of similarity to what these 3 boys did at East High. These 3 will be
made an example of but this will not fully atone for the sins of the sporting
"fathers." For all of those that have been bullied and hazed as "frosh" in high
school it's taken how many centuries to deal with this kind of perversion and
intimidation??? these are certainly crimes but they are only doing what they
were taught by their previous teammates of sports. i suspect these 3
perpetrators don't realize what they were doing was a crime and we may find out
that they have had similar actions performed against them when they were
younger. thank you to East high for attempting to break the cycle of sports
Hazing is one thing. While still against the rules, and those caught doing it
should be suspended, it is generally things like making someone push a penny
with your nose across the floor, or some other juvenile act.This is
not a case of hazing. This is criminal and devient behavior. When it crosses
into this type of event, whether it be of a sexual nature, binge drinking, or
physical abuse it cannot be tolerated on any level.I don't really
care if the seniors make the underclassmen who wish to participate in chasing a
pig around in the mud trying to catch it. (Yes, some people don't mind being
hazed.) If they get caught, they broke the rules and should be suspended, but
it doesn't end in any harm to the students.
this didnt happen more than once in the locker room. only a select few saw what
happened and they reported it. this media coverage is just bringing them down.
it happened three weeks ago they have moved on and so should you.
Having attended East High myself (recent enough to have attended classes in the
new building),Iam shocked and saddened by this horrible act demonstrated by
fellow "Leopards". I am glad to hear Coach Whitehead and other adminstrators
have taken the appropriate actions for all involved and hope the young men
involved recieve the counseling they need.GO LEOPARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My hats off to the Coach whose bearing the burden of all this. How could these
kids do this to the Coach? I mean, really, didn't they think of his reputation
at all? I'm glad the Coach from East High is getting so much support
from the community, God knows he's gone through so much already.
I was the administrator at East in charge of athletics from 2004-06 and Coach
Whitehead is outstanding coach and leader of young men. I can also say this for
the other coaches (both boys and girls)I worked with who are currently there.
East's coaches have always insisted on doing things the right way. Sometimes
that cost them victories but the integrity and honesty of these coaches will be
their bench mark long after they are gone. When Coach Whitehead moves on to the
next level, the university that hires him will be very lucky and will have a
program of which they can be proud. I am proud of you, Aaron, your staff and my
friends in the administration of East for doing the right thing.
I am glad that this incident is being called what it is...sexual abuse, not
hazing. Hopefully the victims of this abuse are getting some help.
For those of you who have come to the conclusion that all of East High's
athletes share tendencies similar to those that were demonstrated by the three
students mentioned in the article are very naieve. If there are three people in
a society that commit murder, do you assume that all memebers of the society are
murderers? Of course not! So why do you make the assumption that all athletes at
East High are rapists with homosexual tendencies?
I know that I hazed a few players as a high school athlete, and the so-called
"victims" thanked me later for helping to tough them up and learn how to defend
themselves. East High is running from a legal entanglement as they ought to be,
but its a rouse to say that hazing is the issue at hand here.
I went to East All my Kids went to East. Good Job Coaches...Whitehead IS A MAN
one of the 3 would not happen to be one of your kids is it?
uhh this is a serious perverse problem. This is a bad reflection of East, the
community and the state. It is people like you who put their head in the sand
that allow behaviors like this to take place. For the student that reported
this to the coach should be proud for being brave enough to do it.
Seriusly get over it.. if your student doesnt go to East then dont worry about
it. Mind your own business.
These boys need the book thrown at them (whatever that happens to be for
juviniles, and assuming they are all younger than 18)...
I think it is great that this is being taken care of but to be kicked off the
football team? BIG WUP! These boys should NEVER be allowed back in school and
quite frankly should have their butts thrown in jail, the disgusting little
This is sad...I hope that these kids will be punished to the fullest, and I hope
that the kid that this unfortunate event happened to, will be able to recover
from the embarrasement and this picture that will linger in his mind forever,
Coaches please...don't tell me that you do not know that things like this
happened, but you know all the plays of the opponents..wake up and smell the
damn freaking coffee, We were not there possibly to know what happened, but I
think that this is a COWARDLY act from kids that does not have an ounce of
values in their lives, everyone makes mistakes..this is just sad, I hope
that the Football team will be able to put this aside and concentrate on the
upcoming games that lies ahead of them.....SAD very, very SAD.......good luck
two years ago , a kid was allowed to play on the 2A level while everyone in the
town knew the guy stole the dope from the evidence box then eliminated himself
by testing positive on his test ,one he stayed up all nite studying for ,
while other fine athletes sat the bench. It comes down to the philosopy of the
coaches and then they expect parents to be so stupid to buy into what they are
selling ..sorry but we're not fools ..if it had been my kid , he would have been
off the team so FAST!
God bless Coach Whitehead, his assistants, the victims, and the players on the
East High Football Team. Lets all hope that this incident does not fester in
the news and that the team and coaches can get it behind them.
re:alternateSorry to disappoint you, but I will not lose sleep over
it. Once again, the way the story was reported suggests that too much time
passed between the time it was reported to the coach and then reported to the
authorities. During that timeline another student might have been assualted, or
proper counseling might not have been made availible to the victims, and they
might have hurt themselves in the process. Youth are fragile. In my world
children are protected. In your world, officials, teachers and schools are
protected. I like my world.
re:InsiderImportant facts that were left out of the newspaper story. Thanks
I have no idea who coach whitehead is, I'm a basketball coach up north, so I
know the demon that he deals with from time to time in working with teenage
athletes, but I hope you critics out there back off. If you think kids are safer
in another school, I say good luck to you. That's a foolish thought. Coach, you
did your job and thanks for doing it the right way. The point is it was dealt
with and hopefully doesn't happen again. I hope we all fear for the kids and
what they go through today. Why would you criticise someone that is in this
situation. I promise that coach whitehead didn't ask for this...
To 1st Parent. Your comment about Lone Peak is very disappointing. This has
zero to do with the LP situation.To Mishandled. Your comments are
also disappointing. Based on the facts that I read and I am sure you read, the
school officials acted correctly. I am afraid that in your world there would be
no officials, teachers or schools.
The head coach was informed by the sophomore coach after 10 pm that night.
Prior to school starting the next day, the head coach was in the principal's
office reporting it. Where the previous post is wrong, it was reported to the
police within minutes of the coach and the principal meeting. Only the third
attack was reported to the coach. The other two attacks came to light during
the police investigation. The three players were arrested shortly there after.
When I think of hazing (and by no means do I condone it), I think of a large
group of upperclassmen putting the newbies through humiliating activities. With this case--three boys acting independently of the team, stalking
and attacking a lone student--it sounds like sexual predation, and something so
violent and deviant can't be lessened with the rote "boys will be boys"
cliche.The suspects involved are not looking to initiate others into
their football fraternity, they're acting on psychopathic urges that should be
met with counseling, jail time and being listed on the registry.
My athletes do not attend East, but I had to write in. Parents of all athletes
at East should be the first to applaud the school's actions. Contrary to some
student's and parent's beliefs, the administration, teachers and coaches are NOT
babysitters. They are NOT responsible for the student's behavior or moral
ethics. That is taught at home, that is the responsibility of PARENTS! And if
the student brings the sort of unacceptable behavior, that these students are
accused of to the school, one should take a closer look at their personal lives
and NOT BLAME the school staff. I also applaud the student who was brought up
with the moral ethics at home to stand up and report the incident he witnessed.
Thank you for making a stand for the young men in your school and for letting
all student athletes, who a few consider themselves above the law, know that
unacceptable behavior is just that and that no matter the reason given "hazing"
or otherwise, they are finished. Hopefully, East is working with the parents of
these young men in finding them some help.
It is hard to hide assaults happening at a school like this between August 30th,
September 3rd and 6th until September 11th.Instead of calling an
administrator or the police that night (I'm sure coach Whithead knows both
numbers) he waited until the next day. The police were informed the day after
that. And posters in this blog are saying that this is what coaches, teachers,
and administrators are supposed to do? They are dangerously wrong.I'm sorry, but if one of my children went to East High School, they would be
pulled out today and not returned with these people responsible for their
safety. As an educator of 15 years I question the safety of students at East
High School. Mandatory reporting of any abuse is supposed to be done the same
day. This should have been reported at the first whisper of any danger to
students, period. I hope the UDE looks into the licensing of these individuals
and takes appropriate and swift action for the safety of all students.
Yes he did his job. Courage or no courage, he did what he was supposed to. He
didn't hide anything when contacted by the press, he didn't pass it off to
district personnel or administrators, he took accountability for his program.
Courage. Well, it's debatable, I think so, but you are entitled to your
opinion. You make it seem like it's another day at the office. What he did was
not easy. Honorable? Absolutely. A lot of programs would try to hide this.
The coach reported it immediately and took immediate action.
Yes it happened in his program. However, worse have happened in other programs,
high school and college that were never reported. Perhaps the coach did the
obligatory thing, but courage was shown by the team mate to stand up to the
three bullies. I wish we were as all honorable as you.
Where are you from? The "perfect world" of Lone Peak, you say.
What are you talking about? He did what he was suppose to do. What any coach
would have done. Don't talk about courage when they do what they are suppose to
do. Good for the coach for doing what he's suppose to do. It's nice to know
that if my kid gets sexually assaulted a coach will stand up for him or her.
But it wasn't like it was a tough decision on his part to make and to call the
authorities. Any coach would have done that. Don't make him sound like he's
one of a kind. It was his program where this happened...
His job is to coach. Not police perverted children. He did do more than most
coaches. He did more than his Job.
Yes, heinous activities took place. Events that should have never taken place,
let alone on the campus of a public school. A previous post
questioned the outrage. I assure you that there was outrage. I assure you that
Coach Whitehead, his staff, his varsity players, the sophomore players, and the
administration were outraged. There was no "lax" attitude in dealing with this
terrible event.I assure you that this is eating Aaron Whitehead up.
Many people outside looking in do not realize how much a coach puts into a
program. Coach Whitehead places more into his program than the average coach.
He places honor and character above winning. Coach Whitehead did do the right
thing at the right time. As a previous post stated, a lot of courage was
It has nothing to do with courage. You can't sit back and talk about how good
of job the coach did. He did what he was suppose to do nothing more and nothing
less. It's funny to me how we praise people for doing what they're suppose to
do. It's their job!!!
Do you mean to tell us that teachers/coaches know everything that goes on at a
school? Did you ever do anything that no teacher/coach/parent knew about? GET
REAL! Kids know, and have always known, how to get away with things; even the
disgusting crap described here. Really, what would you have coaches do? Be in
the locker rooms every second watching all the kids dress/shower? Should
teachers now escort every kid to the bathroom as well? As far as what is being
reported, this situation was handled correctly. If not, please educate us all on
what could have been done differently.
That's just too wierd. Hmm... I wonder if all your East High football players
treat eachother that way? Either way... Way to go you East High Leopards! You
show your true colors with this one!
A rarity here: Courage displayed on so many levels:1. A student "ratted
out" his fellow teammates to an assistant coach (the guilty 3 were all
starters).2. The assistant coach immediately reported the incident
to the head coach.3. The head coach immediately notified the proper
authorities.So often we read about players, teams, coaches, and even
school administrators who try and cover up such events, but EVERYONE involved
took the courageous road and placed honor above football. I feel
bad that these events occurred, but hopefully others will see the positive
outcome to this situation and take courage to eliminate these heinous acts once
and for all.
Are you kidding!!! Are we to believe that the coaches and administrators had
absolutely no idea that this disgusting behavior was going on around them. This
is not just a one time event, this happened several times. Where is the out
rage, the coaches didn't know, but almost every student did. These acts took
place at school, a play where we expect our students should be protected. This
isn't throwing a kid in a locker. Wake up people
Coach Whitehead is a class act. He is a coach in whom a parent can have
confidence he will not only teach your son football, but build his character as
well. The conduct of these three boys is not representative of the team, the
coaches, or the school. I am glad to see appropriate action being taken.
Coach Whitehead is an amazing.
I know first hand that this kind of stuff goes on at other schools and very
little if anything is done depending on the "athlete" that is committing the
crime. I applaud you in what you did coach! I also applaud the team in their
support to the three boys as this was DEFINATELY not their faults!
Coach Whitehead is a great coach. His greatness is in his ability to make sure
his players become good, outstanding citizens. Good Job Coach. Keep up the
good work. Telafalala!
Thanks for the positive spin at the end. With such an unfortunate series of
events and stupid behavior by those kids, its nice to know that the team is
pulling through this and that the 3 are being held accountable. The article was
written well and I applaud East's coach for stepping up and handling this well.
Good luck to all the East boys the rest of the year.