3 East High football players arrested, kicked off team

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  • Eric Mendoza
    July 27, 2009 6:56 p.m.

    I know how he feels, because I was in this situation before. Its hard for me to say it but I want you guys to know about it.

  • Annonamous
    March 17, 2008 12:38 p.m.

    all you can say what you want because you don't know these kids. and u don't know what really happened in that locker room. you all just believe all that is put in your head. if you could only know how much one of them has changed and tried to make it up to the kid he hurt then u wouldn't be saying what ur saying. and no i don't agree with what he did. i think it was horrible. but so does he and he has fixed everything he has done and now is getting locked up and taken away from all those who love him for who he is. think about it. for all you who think ur perfect you need a serious reality check!

  • ????
    Jan. 9, 2008 9:42 a.m.

    why didnt you post my comment about white people not getting trouble for doing the same exact thing.. in some cases even worse???

  • sabrina
    Jan. 7, 2008 7:25 p.m.

    that is sick that they did that stuff don't you if you think that is grouse and sick then put your name under this

  • student at east!!
    Nov. 27, 2007 7:40 a.m.

    you know what i know that it was a bad decision for these boys to do this but can we all just FORGIVE & FORGET we have already put the family in enough stuggles and stress.

  • you know
    Nov. 9, 2007 8:29 a.m.

    just kidding it should be takin seriously its just wrong nothing should have ever happened im sure it was an accident but people shall learn from this and not play around for it could be fun to them but not to others.... well thats all i have to say........peace out

  • Anonymous
    Oct. 9, 2007 8:45 p.m.

    East is out to haze everyone in region 6

  • Anonymous
    Oct. 3, 2007 9:50 p.m.

    Wow, this isn't exactly surprising. Football's gay, anyway.

  • Student
    Oct. 3, 2007 6:17 p.m.

    THIS WAS NOT RAPE! Sodomize was recently altered to mean genitals to the face as well as its previous meaning. It is the new meaning of sodomy that the athletes are charged with, not the old. Although still severe, it is not rape and those of you who are accusing my friends of being rapists and being rape victims are very ignorant. Do some research before you throw such heavy and untrue accusations around and above all don't believe everything the media tells you.

  • cattonhood
    Oct. 3, 2007 5:25 p.m.

    cottonwood has kids that have spent time in lock up for worse things LET'S GET REAL!

  • Wow
    Oct. 3, 2007 11:29 a.m.

    I only just heard about this.
    The coach and school did do what they were supposed to do, and I praise them for that, but I'm just amazed that everyone thinks that them doing what any human being should do is so amazing. Now, I'm from Australia, and I don't know any school that even has a sports team, so the thought of a coach ever attempting to cover something like this up is just digusting (not this coach, obivously, but there are people saying others would).
    It's not hazing by any means. It's rape and sexual assault. Now, I despise treating people too softly, and while there's definetly a line, I disagree with absolute no-bullying policies (I mean, kids have to toughen up somehow), but this is just dispicable. For people to call something like this simple bullying or hazing really shows how warped our younger generations are becoming.
    And I bet if the victims were female, you'd see the word rape 50 times throughout articles on this. But, males (and football players at that) are expected to be tough about it. "Boys will be boys". Please. Rape is rape, regardless of gender or school activities.

  • InRussetShadows
    Sept. 30, 2007 11:52 a.m.

    What I find sadly funny in these situations are the second-guessers who claim to know what the coach, players, or police should have done. Did it ever occur to you that you are looking at all the pieces of the puzzle, without being under any time pressure? And it's oh-so easy to claim, self-righteously that you would have done this or that, even though you have no experience to back you up, except what you write here. And who knows if that's the truth or not? So please, just shut up and stop hunting for conspiracy theories.

  • Jeff
    Sept. 30, 2007 10:23 a.m.

    Rape (and that's what this is) is a crime of violence and not a crime that necessarly has to do with sex. Lashing out in violence by children is a red-flag to indicate deeper issues. Children do not come into this world as rapists. Whatever feelings of powerlessness and frustration that leads a child to think that this kind of abuse toward another child is the best way to go should be further explored and addressed. The hardest thing in a case like this is to also always remain loving toward the children who perputrated the acts. This is not easy, especially with our society's ideas toward homosexuality in general and since these acts were perputrated against children of the same sex, many will use it to fuel the flames of hatred toward gay people. That is unfortunate. Please know that I do NOT suggest that we should ever accept unacceptable behavior. However, to "throw-away" the kids who were the attackers whithout trying to help them is to waste a valuable resource and perhaps a chance to avoid future similar incidents.

  • Skeeter
    Sept. 30, 2007 9:04 a.m.

    Most of the comments are from people who do not know what went on. I don't either, but it sounds like the coaches did all that could reasonably be expected of them. I get frustrated with the Monday morning quarterbacking of those who know how they should have done better -- when they do not any of the details.

  • to: ricardo
    Sept. 30, 2007 8:29 a.m.

    BRAVO..I agree whole-heartedly!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • mister c
    Sept. 30, 2007 8:08 a.m.

    In a year from now, this will have all blown over for the perpatrators. They will have some form of court action, a little wrist slap and that will be that. It is sick but it is the truth. We in America are weak when it comes to criminals. We let murderers walk, rapists free and bullies roam.
    Our prisons are full of people that have introduced drugs into thier personal bodies, while the violent people get off after minimal time. We are confused!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    This is also not an "athelete" thing, it happens in choir, theater, chess and checkers. We live in a world with some sick bullies. Keep your eyes open and go to Karate (but don't go to the restroom alone).

  • Thotman
    Sept. 30, 2007 8:02 a.m.

    When I need a gravel driveway...I will just bring someone who has made a serious mistake and say...He who is without sin among you cast the first stone...I should have within seconds a few loads.. I am saddened that these kinds of horrific behaviors occur, I am more saddened at the defeatists who use this as an excuse to shut the world down...forward some hyper-moral agenda or simply pronounce to all of us without a brain how evil the world has become... 300 million people and a few (six in jena then three at east high) define someones view of our lives. I think we find a reflection of our fears in what we condemn. I hope the best for all involved...I do not want to participate in a stoning...not even if they are proven guilty. I wonder if in fifty years the three who committed this crime will be productive and contibuting adults...or if they wil have been discarded into the garbage pile of life. These comments on both ends of the spectrum are more troubling to me than I would have imagined when I began reading.

  • sarah1
    Sept. 30, 2007 7:58 a.m.

    Stats indicate that children who sexually abuse were victims themselves once. If the adults in this situation are really doing their jobs, we're all going to hear about a lot more than just these three on this particular football team.

  • Carole Knowles
    Sept. 30, 2007 7:22 a.m.

    These are not good kids. They are not even kids. They are young men. They are criminals. You can bet that their crimes are the results of being desensitized by viewing pornography and violence for a period of time. Something like this does not happen overnight. When will parents realize that their young people need supervision, in and out of the home? Teaching them correct principles and letting them govern themselves is fine for educated adults, but not for children of any age. To govern oneself, you must have self-control, something most teenagers and too many adults lack.
    I'm not completely blaming the parents and I'm certainly not blaming the coach. The young men are the criminals. But young people need supervision at home, at school, and at play. It's that simple. Adults need to act like adults, parents like parents, because teens will certainly act like teens, and without clear and reinforced rules, one thing might lead to another and before long, crimes like these will be committed. Parents: become and stay aware. Some growing-up sorrows can be avoided. Some can't. This could have been avoided. I am so sorry for the victims and their families.

  • Respect Others
    Sept. 30, 2007 6:11 a.m.

    Its comes down to respect for another human being. No matter how old you are, your parents should have instilled in you the importance of respecting others. Parents need to teach character and integrity; these are the true traits of Manhood or Womanhood. This story saddens me.

  • Roger
    Sept. 30, 2007 1:42 a.m.

    I've heard it all, from defending these boys to prosecuting them and the bottomline is that they are not good boys. There may be a perspective that they are but they committed a terrible crime against another human being. Can't believe that people would rationalize this fact! These kids that were victimized didn't choose to be. Its easy to choose a side when its not you that was victimized.

  • Hold Up...
    Sept. 30, 2007 1:08 a.m.

    These are good kids. They are young...they did something stupid and are obviously going to learn a great lesson. They should not be going to prison...even jail for that matter. Please have a heart and understand the situation. I'm not excusing the behavior but I talk of hazing because that's all they meant by it. They were wrong for what they did and this was sexual assault but was not meant to hurt nor go this far. Be Christians for heavens sakes and stop acting like you all know the situation and can pass judgement or that your opinion even matters. Because first of all it doesn't, and seconly you don't even know these boys or the decision...you have gone off of what the media has said.

  • Oh really?
    Sept. 29, 2007 11:00 p.m.

    I think that every opinion that could be formulated has been expressed. Perhaps the moderator could stop allowing comments.

  • No Corn
    Sept. 29, 2007 10:35 p.m.

    I am amazed at the attack on the coach. He was told about this thing at 10pm, and reported it first thing in the morning. People say he should have called the police and school administrators that night? What were they going to do? Arrest a kid on a rumor? Waiting til the next morning gave him a chance to make inquiries to determine the validity of the accusation. Imagine if he had some kid arrested in the middle of the night and been wrong. I think the coach did the right thing by a) waiting, and b)acting on the tip. People need to walk a mile in his shoes before judging.

  • lbjack
    Sept. 29, 2007 10:10 p.m.

    Dear STUDENT. Thanks for your post. You know more about what happened than any of us self-appointed judge and jury. But, as I said in my post, bullying is inexcusable, and bullies should be punished. You know it when you see it. Be sure you're being honest with yourself.

  • Bryan
    Sept. 29, 2007 9:57 p.m.

    Why do so many of these sick people inhabit schools. It looks like our current schools are among the most dangerous places for our children. After paying billions of dollars per year, our children learn less than before and are subjected to a needlessly high risk of abuse from teachers or peers. It is time to take back the schools for the people instead of the education mafia who are clearly failing all of us.

  • What
    Sept. 29, 2007 8:10 p.m.

    What? Hazing is gluing the kids locker shut or filling his helmet with peanut butter. Sodomizing a guy is rape and way beyond weird. I don't see how anyone could even use the term hazing in relation to this story.

  • Karl
    Sept. 29, 2007 8:01 p.m.

    Gee, I wonder what rap music those male "spawn" have been listening to.
    You don't suppose MTV taught them the same way they taught the Abu Grabb soldiers do you? Hmmm, let me stick my head in a hold and hope it goes away.
    Oops, wait, I forgot, music or movies or TV doesn't affect kids behaviour.

  • truth
    Sept. 29, 2007 7:48 p.m.

    this isnt hazing. its a sex crime. they should go to prison and be put on a sex offender list.

  • Buddy
    Sept. 29, 2007 7:34 p.m.

    Actually, few of us know what really happened. We take the headlines and let our imagination take over. No, this is not to minimize the actions, but some discretion is warranted.

    However, one really wonders why we incarcerate all children in schools for 12 years (more or less). Most kids get ample education in the first six years of school to fit into civilization. So, trade schools, apprentice programs, or even voluntary labor makes much more sense. But I suppose the "educational" mafia would oppose anything as reasonable.

  • grad student
    Sept. 29, 2007 7:29 p.m.

    RE: Ralph. This is not an attach...for the most part, I agree. But maybe men can only re-learn those principles by embracing a more (traditionally) feminine approach to life (something that is altogether taboo, for that would make them "gay"). And be careful about blaming the parents; there is, perhaps, no more insidious system of socialization that the schoolyard. Parents can teach until the cows come home, but put the student in a context where "fitting in" and peer pressure reign supreme, and there's just no telling what'll come out the other side, ya know?

  • Ralph Schmalph
    Sept. 29, 2007 7:21 p.m.

    Anyone who has played football, wrestled, or virtually any other sport knows that the object of the competition (at practices as well as games) is to dominate and acheive as high a rank in the pecking order as your skills, strength and character will allow. These "children" were not properly coached or parented if they thought that such acts as they committed in ganging up on someone would bring them prestige within the group. We have abandoned our young men to a feminized and "politically correct" society. Men should re-learn the priciples of chivalry, honor and strength of character. Also, allowing boys to vent their naturally aggressive behavior in the noble sport of boxing wouldn't be a bad idea either.

  • Alicia G
    Sept. 29, 2007 7:21 p.m.

    Even though the kids are 15 years old and may not be "noted for reason", they apparently had enough reason to set a trap to sexually assault another person. They should be punished as an adult would be punished. We're talking about sexual assault NOT shoplifting.

  • Monkey wrench
    Sept. 29, 2007 6:43 p.m.

    These people were 15 years old. Hardly an age noted for reason, universal good judgement and exemplary behavior - even among the church going! Isn't it possible that they are guilty of grossly inappropriate, bullying behavior rather than the felonious assaults for which they are charged?

    Bullying or threatening horseplay among juveniles is inappropriate behavior and should be condemmed, but rushing to judgement and demanding long prison sentences or worse without knowing all the facts serves no one.

    Allegations levelled by the prosecutor do not equate to knowing all the facts.

  • Educated Literate
    Sept. 29, 2007 6:39 p.m.

    Hmm..Last Time I checked, Officials in public schools are SUPPOSED to act "en loco parentis"--or in place of the parents--during school hours and activities. Leagally that phrase makes the supervisor, teacher or coach liable for the safety of the students under their watch.

    Reading some of the posts that some coaches knew about muggings and other "hazing" acts makes me wonder why aren'tthere at least 3 supervisors or coaches in the locker room until the last student leaves? If I were the coach of East High, I'd wonder if the parents of the alledged victim were going to sue in civil court since it happened under his supposed supervision under "n loco parentis".

  • grad student
    Sept. 29, 2007 6:20 p.m.

    It's sad that some attribute this to homosexuality and "gay clubs". Unfortunately, sports are inextricably linked to hegemonic masculinity--that boys must be emotionless, aggressive, and in charge of their power. While these actions are certainly reprehensible, they are not unlike instances of heterosexual sexual assault, whereby the man wants to put the woman in her place. As such, this certainly aligns with hazing, for these three aggressors apparently wanted to steal the power from newbies while maintaining and strengthening their own. If you think I'm nuts, that's fine, but before you challenge me, read ANY book with "sports" and "masculinity" in the title. In this age of political correctness and female prominence in sport, the locker room is one of the last safe havens for traditional manhood. These acts have nothing to do with sexual arousal; they are all about "marking territory". Anybody claiming that this was an attack by "the gays" is clearly blinded by the big picture/their own ideology. Moreover, they are advertising their own ignorance regarding how systems of oppression writ large operate in our society. So thank you. Thank you for sharing your stupidity with all of us. Please educate yourself.

  • Teacher in PA
    Sept. 29, 2007 6:07 p.m.

    As a coach and a teacher, let me assure you that the adults in charge must have been neglecting their duties. You don't leave the student athletes at this age unsupervised for any great length of time. You check the locker room frequently or sit yourself somewhere so you can hear what's happening.

    It shows a gross ignorance of liability issues on the part of the school/coaches that this was able to happen three times before they knew about it.

    Cancel the season. The kids knew it was happening and did nothing. And what kind of a school still uses its showers? Join the 21st century and ban the showers. Most schools already have for this very reason. Harassment and rape.

  • Ferris
    Sept. 29, 2007 5:26 p.m.

    Maybe there really is something to those science reports that claim toxins in our lives are gradually changing male hormones into female hormones. If we can have frogs with multiple legs, we can certainly have high school athletes with unexpected desires. Maybe we'll just have to adjust and change standards when the prom comes up.

  • Keyzer Soze
    Sept. 29, 2007 5:23 p.m.

    If those three go to prison they may be on the receiving end of some of the acts they tried to commit. Instant karma's gonna get you.

  • whstrat
    Sept. 29, 2007 5:11 p.m.

    Isn't time we advance our learning experience by removing all forms of sports from our schools? If students desire to play in league sports, let private enterprise develop teams and leagues outside of the school system, where players would front the cost to be on the team, instead of the taxpayer. Why should 100 parents pay school taxes so just one in 100 kids gets to play on the football team? Its ridiculous in this day and age to allow this system to continue. Do away with the sports and you do away with the violence and the locker rooms and the showers where our children routinely are embarrassed or humiiated, or even worse attacked or assaulted. Enough already.

  • Anonymous
    Sept. 29, 2007 5:00 p.m.

    So now we attach the moderator when it's east high writing this stuff weird

  • Allen
    Sept. 29, 2007 3:06 p.m.

    Everyone seems caught up in the politics surrounding what happened. I'm sure that there is human excrement just like these boys in every school, red-state and blue-state. They didn't do what they did because of a political belief. They did it because they are scum. What matters most is what happens to the pathetic creatures next. Will there be justice or not?

  • To Regan
    Sept. 29, 2007 2:50 p.m.

    Uh... honestly you live in Utah, I don't think that these criminals were "liberal" or lacking in "traditional conservative values." I think they were sick boys looking for a power trip. People from both sides of the aisle seek that kind of power, it is not tied into any specific morality, if it were, then rape would be simple to stop, just outlaw one political party or way of thinking. Sadly, the world doesn't work like that, and quick fix solutions compound the problem raher than healing it.

    Don't blame liberals, you live in the most conservative state in the U.S., by a long, long way. Maybe if you lived in Mass. you could chaulk this up to acceptance of gays, but the face is these boys probably have/had girlfriends, and still think they're straight, despite being rapists.

  • it only gets worse
    Sept. 29, 2007 2:46 p.m.

    Why are you all so surprised??? What do you think goes on in all our alcohol-infused fraternity parties? When you are 19, 20 or 21, and drunk every Thursday night? H E L L O ? Many of us never had parents that wern't busy at work or too busy for us!

  • HRW
    Sept. 29, 2007 2:41 p.m.

    The next chapter of the story will be to portray the freaks as victims themselves. Maybe they suffered a loss of self-esteem when they didn't make quarterback or perhaps their mommies didn't love them enough. I'm sure there are enough gullible people to buy any story the lawyers can devise. Alex is right, the parents should be ashamed.

  • Reagan Conservative
    Sept. 29, 2007 2:37 p.m.

    Forced sexual humiliation to show dominace today, Pimping out your son or daughter tomorrow. Time to go back to teaching Traditional Conservative Values at school and home.

  • Jill
    Sept. 29, 2007 2:24 p.m.

    You know prison time might be just the education the poor abusers need. Maybe we could get it covered under the "No Pervert Left Behind" law.

  • Imma-liberal
    Sept. 29, 2007 2:19 p.m.

    Why are you surprised?.

    We trampled the pledge of allegience in school, we banned school prayer. We banned Christmas and gave you "winter break"... We rewrote history books to banish religious references and watered down moral codes.

    Our teachers/professors have institutionalized your kids to hate America and have no respect for the office of the Presidency. School boards are now staffed with humanists and there is no longer a right or wrong, just excusable shades of gray.

    We are breaking down your family. Even marriage is a meaningless definition now.

    Kids who act out are fed medications instead of receiving correction. Stern words might offend someone, so it is replaced with "feel good" phrases that won't get us sued.

    Should you really be all that surprised it has come to this? Why? Your children are exactly what you are teaching them to be.

    Sick..... dellusional.....self absorbed and unconcerned with what is morally right or wrong. After all, what is right or wrong all depends on your individual opinion, does it not?

  • ED
    Sept. 29, 2007 1:57 p.m.

    Hey Coach. The number is 9-1-1! The first call should have been made to the police, period.

  • neoconx
    Sept. 29, 2007 1:45 p.m.


    gee VLADIMIR, at least we have a nation....you don't.








  • Alex
    Sept. 29, 2007 1:45 p.m.

    I'm glad that a few good people stood up and reported the sick behavior of the boys on the team. What they did is not hazing, it is sick behavior for which they need to be placed on the sex offenders list. It doesn't matter that they are 15 years old. They should know better and their parents should be ashamed of forcing their pathetic spawn into the public schools to abuse others.

  • itgetspassedon
    Sept. 29, 2007 1:23 p.m.

    Rape, Sodomy, Hazing? I would venture to guess these 3 didnt use their male anatomy in any of this, but the usual nearby object that is so often part of these sadistic rituals. Doesnt make it any less deviant, it brings out the inner rage and need for domination that is usually within the leader of the group. The others usually follow along, without the same rage, but caught up in the Power themselves. usually the leader learned this behaviour from a relative or older neighbor and quite possibly had it done upon them. Doesnt make any of it any better. Just like the leader walking around with it inside for never being able to tell a parent about it--they believe their victims will never tell a teacher or coach or policeman either.

    I'm sure right now the leader of this pack is having the conversation with his parents that should have occurred at the time he learned of, witnessed or felt this same assualt upon himself.

    Thank God for the judicial system to now determine punishment. For not knowing is not a defense. If incarerated they will learn real sexual assualt. Be careful when they r released.

  • MamaM: to Student
    Sept. 29, 2007 1:22 p.m.

    In taking something "too far" your friend's behavior sadly ended up hurting your some of your other friends. I'm sorry this happened. The consequences of their actions are far reaching.

    Whether or not they originally "intended no harm" is debatable, but regardless of their intent or they way the media may or may not have blowen the story "WAY out of proportion; the lives of others have been seriously and negatively affected by the choices and behavior of the attackers.

    I don't believe the "people of the world have forgotten that these students are still people". This story unfortunately became real when three of your peers decided three other peers were not still people worthy of respect.

    I'd be interested to know what you think the attackers did, and how the community should go about giving them and their victims the support they need.


  • Vladimir
    Sept. 29, 2007 1:07 p.m.

    The unfortunate thing is that the three will not be punished in any meaningful way. It sounds like the coaches and school officials did the right thing. The courts, I'm afraid, will not do the right thing. The American judicial system is a joke. As assualts like this go on unpunished vigilante justice will be the only refuge to good people. My thanks to the press at least for covering the event. People deserve to know just how corrupt their nation is and how little it is worth fighting for.

  • PUDDN
    Sept. 29, 2007 12:57 p.m.

    That is some SICK behavior...THEY DEFINATELY SHOULD BE ON A SEX OFFENDER LIST!

  • Dear FB Fan
    Sept. 29, 2007 12:54 p.m.

    Let's see how this goes.

    First story: Mom and dad complain to the principal because the coaches are walking around the locker room watching their son naked as he changes his clothes. They want to have that pervert coach removed.

    Second story: Mom and dad complain because their son was attacked in the locker room. They want to know where were the coaches? They should be fired because they aren't doing their job, watching the boys in the locker room.

    Sounds stupid. NO, As a high school teacher and administrator for 29 of my 33 years in education I faced these same comments regularly. Half the parents wanted the coaches to walk the locker room all the time and the other half didn't want the coaches watching their sons dress and undress.

    After a shooting on campus and a police investigation we found there were at least 30 students who knew the shooter had a gun, but didn't want to rat him out. You would think somehow we administrators would know he had the gun, after all 30 students knew it. On a campus of 4800 kids, 365 staff and 50 acres we didn't know everything.

  • dave
    Sept. 29, 2007 12:49 p.m.

    you all are talking more about what heroes the coaches are and not about the victims. i feel sorry for them, they are the heroes.

  • Willie Smith
    Sept. 29, 2007 12:45 p.m.

    Ok Mom. Maybe the student who is defending them in the previous post and claims to be a friend cares to address that question. Student wants us to be "shamed upon", so maybe this story is not true at all according to their version. Guess the legal system will now determine that for all.

    I agree with that other poster that the Coaches are as much to blame for allowing this environment to thrive, even if Student says it wasnt as bad as the news said it was.

  • easter
    Sept. 29, 2007 12:16 p.m.

    sick

  • Mom
    Sept. 29, 2007 12:14 p.m.

    That is why I am asking Willie......I am curious as to the community outlook.

  • Student
    Sept. 29, 2007 12:02 p.m.

    As a student of East High, I am familiar with the so-called "rapists" and "perverts". I am a friend to both the victims and the attackers and I feel that the people of the world have forgotten that these students are still people. They intended no harm when they committed these "felonies" and the media has blown it all WAY out of proportion. They are not rapists or molesters or any other name you wish to call them. They are three boys who took something too far and got into the news for it. They did not rape anybody nor did they do anything of that nature. Half of the things you hear about in the news are untrue and these are my peers and my friends and I am concerned about them all, whether they are a victim or an attacker and they all need our support. The last thing they need is the community turning against them and telling them to "rot in jail". Shame on you all.

  • Willie Smith
    Sept. 29, 2007 12:01 p.m.

    Hey Mom who asked:

    " No one has answered the question as to the ethnicity of the three violaters.....Why not?"

    Uh, what difference does it make on a persons ethnicity? I'm sitting here in Chicago and assume they're all Mormons because this is Utah. Does that sound as foolish and short sighted as your question?

    Should make no difference on their color, or religion. If convicted they are rapists, period.

  • Billyboy
    Sept. 29, 2007 11:52 a.m.

    Why is this Coach and his staff being glorified as heros? Where was the Leadership along the way that would have prevented this behaviour happening? Were there no pep talks about hazing having a zero tolerance policy, just as being caught smoking or drinking? Where was the relationship or "open door" policy, so those who were being harrassed could have more easily approached these Coaches? Where was the Leadership of the Captains, or "leaders" of the team, who had to hear, or know of the abuse going on right around them? Showers and locker rooms are filled with other players and the coaches are usually right near by.

    Something stinks about this whole thing, well beyond a Coach getting accolades well after the fact of the abuse occurring. I want to know where the upfront leadership, direction, and example setting was by these so called Sports Educators.

    15 year old student athletes dont normally go this far out of bounds of society unless they are assurred they wont get caught and if they do, nothing would be said. The other athletes who remained mum on this are at fault cuz of the coaches
    influence.

  • mom
    Sept. 29, 2007 11:50 a.m.

    No one has answered the question as to the ethnicity of the three violaters.....Why not?

  • yeah
    Sept. 29, 2007 11:50 a.m.

    This sort of behavior occured on my fball team in the early 70's by guys that went on to be married. to women. I still know them.

    This isn't an assault by homosexuals, but it is sexual power-related gang behavior.

  • rk
    Sept. 29, 2007 11:28 a.m.

    with the program that east has always had and will continue to have things like this will keep it strong. yes the coach did what he was supposed to but it sets a precedent and builds confidence with his team and the program will continue.

  • In Illinois
    Sept. 29, 2007 11:27 a.m.

    I applaud that school for involving the police. This is not hazing and no prank. Similar incident happened recently in Virden Illinois and is being swept under the rug. The police chief said he hasn't been 'asked' to investigate. I'm heartened to hear this is not a universal reaction.

  • observer
    Sept. 29, 2007 11:27 a.m.

    take away all the morals and all that remains is a situation of inexperienced persons trying to communicate. whether that communication is agressive or loving is immaterial.
    why do these young men have to manifest their desires toward another in such a self-loathing/personal dispensing way?
    if they were in a society that could and should love them for who they are, not who they want to love, then maybe they would have boyfriends and be like every other normal teen.
    society is to blame. we need more love.

  • hillary for prez
    Sept. 29, 2007 11:26 a.m.

    Having sex is a felony? We need to save room in our prisions for real criminals.

  • Lori
    Sept. 29, 2007 11:23 a.m.

    I personally think that this is natural, though immoral, behavior. Life is a power struggle. It's the survival of the fittest. Men have been raping women since the beginning of time. Would this have been national news if it was done to females? Everyone is up in arms because the revered son is victimized instead of our daughters. My condolences to the victims.

  • WJC
    Sept. 29, 2007 11:21 a.m.

    "Staff acted heroically"

    Uh, we don't know that.

  • DrudgeFan
    Sept. 29, 2007 11:14 a.m.

    Put those perverts in jail where they can be hazed. Only problem is that they will probably like it.

  • Andrew
    Sept. 29, 2007 11:04 a.m.

    Where the heck were their coaches???? I have coach high school athletics for 20 years and would have known if someone was being raped (and that's what it is) in the lockerroom or showers. These coaches are somewhat responsible for not keeping a better eye on things. This is disgusting and any of the young men who would be involved in such a sick act should be dealt with in a harsh way. I don't have a problem with "hazing" if it includes silly rituals like carrying the water buckets or washing to seniors lockers, but this is insane. What kind of sick humans do such a thing?

  • lbjack
    Sept. 29, 2007 10:54 a.m.

    This is just the tip of the iceberg. The sexual aspect is incidental to the pervasiveness of bullying in K-12. In 19th-century schools, when social Darwinism ruled, bullying, so-called "hazing," was seen as a way of establishing the social order. Alas, tradition has allowed this cruel, obsolete custom to become ingrained in today's school culture.

    No, schools aren't babysitters, but conduct is part of the student's evaluation. Students should be scrutinized for their oonduct, particularly towards other students, and held strictly accountable. Abuse of other students should be as severly punished as drugs or theft -- it is surely as reprehensible.

    I don't understand why self-defense class is not mandatory in all lower grades, say 3-7. Yes, boys will be boys (girls, too), whose aggression is natural and hard to control. This's what sports are for. And this is why abuse should not be tolerated any more in lockerooms than in schoolyards or bathrooms.

    Hazing, such as silly stunts, can be good-natured, but too easily can become assault. Students intuitively know the limits. Schools should not wait until confronted but should proactively root out bullying and treat as it should be treated -- as a crime.

  • jea
    Sept. 29, 2007 10:37 a.m.

    Bullying? this is attempted rape. This is a criminal matter.

  • Danny Del Rossi
    Sept. 29, 2007 10:30 a.m.

    Extraordinarily sound judgement by coaches and school officials. Instead of trying to cover this up, they attacked it head on and as a result, their honesty and conviction appears to have had a positive effect on all concerned.
    Job well done.

  • a
    Sept. 29, 2007 10:28 a.m.

    At my high school, only the coaches practiced "hazing". Their version of hazing was a grueling practice of running and drills. There was so much hitting, I would always come home bloody. We were all proud to be part of such a team. I heard of other high school teams at that time who practiced some really wierd hazing rituals, even sexual. I never respected nor recognized those teams. I imagined the players must have been ashamed to be part of such a pathetic organization...such a disgrace.

  • Joe
    Sept. 29, 2007 10:16 a.m.

    Hazing? Bullying?

    It sounds like some people want to face up to the reality of the situation.

  • Jim in Texas
    Sept. 29, 2007 9:52 a.m.

    Hey man, why are you people picking on good ole football players? They're just boys being boys. You should cut them some slack. By God here in Texas, we revere our high school football players. Criticizing these boys ain't American.

  • Agnostic..comment for Cary
    Sept. 29, 2007 9:22 a.m.

    You said:
    After you completely remove God from every school in the land, what do you have left? It looks like the answer is demons. Imagine going to school every day and having to ward off attacks from incubi and succubi and other red-eyed fiends, and who ya gonna call?
    >>

    Well, i am not someone who believes in God, and am someone who completely supports removing such fairy tales from public education - leave that to the parent - but I nor my family would NEVER condom such heinous activities.

    I don't need the threat of God or the spectre of the hereafter to protect myself and my children from becoming afflicted by vicious, subhuman behavior.

    In fact, given the demographics, these boys WERE likely raised in religious faithful households.

    This isn't about God's place (or absence) in schools: this is about parents totally failing at instilling values in their children DESPITE raising them "with God."

  • gman
    Sept. 29, 2007 9:13 a.m.

    What really warms my heart is that the coach met with the team and told them "why this behavior is unacceptable". Imagine, having to tell people that rape is "unacceptable". These are crimes that go way beyond "hazing". Stupid parents and stupid coaches. Amazing.

  • Fred 2008!
    Sept. 29, 2007 9:07 a.m.

    all these freaks out there need to find Jesus in the Bible

    FRED 2008!

  • spiker
    Sept. 29, 2007 8:55 a.m.

    Were all the perpetrators minorities? Someone compared this to Jena.

    I believe the students should sue the media for hypersexualizing them at an early age. Letting minors watch some movies and television shows or listen to RAP/POP for that matter should qualify as child abuse if not actual molestation.

  • Ian
    Sept. 29, 2007 7:47 a.m.

    If I had to guess, I'd say that these boys were raised by women, or had women as the dominant role in the household. Sports are notorious for having feminine men hiding the mother inside them with a super-masculine appearance.

    It's all well and good to blame the symptoms, but deny the root cause. If you're not the kind of noble man who can lead a household, if you're not the kind of woman who can respect your husband's authority, if you're not the kind of person who kept your belt buckled before marriage, look in the mirror - you made these boys.

  • Observant
    Sept. 29, 2007 6:57 a.m.


    Isn't it amazing how as society's morals continue to decline behavior in our public schools increasingly resembles behavior in our prisons.


  • Anonymous
    Sept. 29, 2007 6:57 a.m.

    This is just another example of bullying. It has to be stopped. Too many children are being traumatized while going to school because of bullies.

    This takes the cake though! Sodomizing another student. This is just awful. The kids that did this not only need to be punished but they also need to be helped.

  • Mike
    Sept. 29, 2007 5:09 a.m.

    I cannot believe this is called "hazing" by some, when it is clearly rape or attemptd rape. If these rapists were not jailed immediately, there is something seriosuly wrong here. It's really sick to have even the slightest tolerance for this sort of assault. "Hazing"? it's just outragous.

  • Joe
    Sept. 29, 2007 4:32 a.m.

    I never enter comments where there are word police.

  • bayj
    Sept. 29, 2007 4:18 a.m.

    I'm old guy, 1940s high school football. Hazing, initiation to serious football took place at 1st block and tackle practice, when you discovered just how hard someone could hit you with shoulder pads in sports-aggression by the rules.

    One adjusted naivete immediately, responded in kind, or folded in shock and withdrew. If the latter happened, there was no school backlash. That person was simply not a football player, very often went on to excel at other things.

    Assaulting a tryout kid or new teammate sexually as hazing would have been seen by every single person with any kind of view, kid, adult, player, parent, coaches, admin staff, principals, as the most inconceivably repugnant possiblity. A remote hint would have invoked every horrified authority into stopping perpetrators NOW, no disagreement about whether this was a crime.

    That was then. This is now. How did we get from then to this? Stirring mud today won't get us out of it & we can't time travel back.

    How should we pray? Your Honor! Tonight flip us all into someplace better than this. I hope it works!





  • DRUDGE READER TIDBIT
    Sept. 28, 2007 10:53 p.m.

    For our national viewers, EAST HIGH is where the hit Disney movie HIGH SCHOOL MUSICAL was filmed. They changed the mascot to Wild Cats for the movie but kept the same colors.

    Still to this day many young movie fans drop by the school to take pictures and see where their favorite scenes from the movie where filmed.

    I had to mention this because East High is a great school and hope these latest happenings don't take away from some of the better things East is known for.

  • Mike Henry
    Sept. 28, 2007 10:52 p.m.

    I'm thrilled that a school reported this type of CRIME to the police. All too often, the actions of "jocks" gets explained away.
    However, the school employee waited TOO LONG to call police. A sex crime should not be reported to the school first and then muddled through school bureaucracy until "the next day." Police should have been called immediately upon the first complaint.

  • WOW
    Sept. 28, 2007 10:46 p.m.

    You people that post these comments make everything alot worse! Everytime someone tells what happened it gets worse. These boys were not trying to hert him but they took it to far. Why cant it end at that? Everyone needs to get over themselves. I bet that everything will be alright in the end!

  • Peter
    Sept. 28, 2007 10:43 p.m.

    Re: Mike said, "I find it hard to believe that the victims told no one, that rumors did not get out."

    It is quite obvious that you've never been the victim of assault (sexual or otherwise). I speak from personal experience when I say that the humiliation of having gone through abuse is bad enough; the last thing you want is for all your friends to KNOW about it.

    Associated with this is the feeling that you're somehow to blame, even when your logic assures you you're not. Also, a victim will feel completely alone and alienated--that's why it's almost a relief to learn other people have been through the same thing. There's a reason that once a case is broken, more victims come out since they finally know they're not alone.

    This is simple human psychology. Very few people are able to immediately report any kind of abuse, and it's worse when it's sexual abuse. Having to talk to EVERYONE about what you went through only reinforces the pain and makes you relive it time and again. I just pray the victims have a good family/spiritual base and get the counseling they need.

  • Voice of Reason
    Sept. 28, 2007 10:20 p.m.

    "Jeff in Texas" -- any act, including "pushing a penny across the floor" that one does as a result of force or coercion is inappropriate, those who are exerting the influence, be it by force or fear, are COWARDS, those who condone it are idiots. Those who repeat these actions by doing similar things to others are perpetuating the cowardly and stupid, just as those who were molested then in turn molest are perpetuating those heinous acts.

  • Robert
    Sept. 28, 2007 10:00 p.m.

    Anybody take a good look at the world lately? There's not much left but sex. The brainpower is disappearing and traded for rough sports, and the sex gets as violent as many other activities we encounter. The controversial sex researcher Kinsey supposedly said that the only unnatural sex act is the one that can't be performed. Otherwise, it's all out there and it isn't going away. The teenagers know that and their parents, while well-intentioned, are hysterical, neurotic -- and clueless. Who are the victims? Who? Are you sure?

  • Dave
    Sept. 28, 2007 9:37 p.m.

    To all of the ex jocks on here commenting about boys being boys, would you feel the same if this happened to your daughters, sisters, wives, or mothers?

    This wasn't a hazing. This was an assault by three punks that need a good old fashioned beat down.

  • Kelly
    Sept. 28, 2007 9:35 p.m.

    This is Horrible! I can't believe these guys thought this was Okay behavior. This is sad. My heart goes out for the victims and their families. I agree with a few others...I think they should be tried as adults!! They're old enough to know the difference between right and wrong. Please CHARGE THEM AS ADULTS!!! THIS WAS VERY WRONG!

  • Schratboy
    Sept. 28, 2007 9:30 p.m.

    Hazing? Anything involving the sort of acts alleged, ain't quite hazing folks.

  • Tony B.
    Sept. 28, 2007 8:40 p.m.

    Just one more direct result of teaching "values clarificaton," "situation ethics," etc. in schools. Teaching that there are no absolutes tells kids just that. Whatever seems right at the moment is okay. This is what has happened to this country - through its insane, self important and self righteous shrinks running their insane asylums called "schools."

  • axl
    Sept. 28, 2007 8:16 p.m.

    I personally think that the 3 boys need to be charged as adults. I'm assuming they are all white boys. I'm scared to think if it were white boys that did it to even one black kid, or if it were to a female. This would never end.

    Charge them as adults, no leniency (I can't spell either).

  • re: Raider Nation
    Sept. 28, 2007 8:07 p.m.

    Of course no town meeting. You need only go 10 posts deep into this blog to see how insulated this amazing coach and administration is. Welcome to the East side.

    (Funny, all of the posters use different names, but the same adjectives-- does everyone share the same English teacher?-- to describe this awesome man. Question, if he is so wonderful and builds such amazing character, why were there repeated rapes in "his" amazingly wonderful locker room over a two week period by his "awesome" athletes? Things that make you go hmmmmmm???)

  • Craig N. Foley
    Sept. 28, 2007 8:06 p.m.

    Those three boys have certainly made mistakes. To err is quite human after all. However, they still have very good long term potential. For example, they might make excellent Republican members of the U.S. Senate or House or Representatives. If their punishment is to include any community service, may I suggest that service as a page or intern in Washington D.C. might provide them a lot of experiences from which they can learn.

  • "Amazing Coach"
    Sept. 28, 2007 7:59 p.m.

    I do not think one person has asserted that the coach condones this behavior. I am sure he teaches "awesome" football and I am sorry you feel insulted.

    I am very happy that "you" were not subjected to repeated rape on school property. As adults it is our responsibility to protect minors from preditors of any age. Any person who has questioned the actions of the "caring coach and administration" has not done it in an attempt to hurt anyone. The facts are what they are, what happened was not an isolated incident but a series of behaviors that cannot be allowed to happen in a place where parents drop thousands of children off daily hoping and praying for their safety.

    If "Coach" cares like you say he does, he would be the first to tell you that students need safety and he should be first in line to address this issue so that something like this would never happen again. Honorable people can be negligent in their responsibilities.

    Read some of the previous posts from those who have been assauted and be thankful it wasn't you. I don't want it to happen to my children, or anyone elses.

  • RaiderNation
    Sept. 28, 2007 7:59 p.m.

    Wow! I thought HS football was all about fun and then off to the dance after the game. That is a very distrubing story. That is not hazing folks! That is a crime by sexual predators. I hope there was a town meeting to get to the bottom of this?

  • Disgusted
    Sept. 28, 2007 7:56 p.m.

    Those 3 boys should be expelled immediately.

  • Kyle Coppola
    Sept. 28, 2007 7:42 p.m.

    And now you know why (now grown-up) nerds like me always thought jocks in high school were gay. LOL.

  • Jim
    Sept. 28, 2007 7:35 p.m.

    Why are there not coaches in the locker rooms. If this school was really attempting to keep their students safe there would not be a single student in a locker, shower or for that matter any room in the entire building without an adult who gives a care. Simple, straight and to the point. Instead of no child left behind, how about: no child left ALONE. Not one!

  • Student
    Sept. 28, 2007 7:11 p.m.

    I'm a Student at East and I knowf or a fact our school and administration took the proper actions as soon as the events were reported. Coach Whitehead is an amazing coach and man and would NEVER, absolutely never condone what happened. Coach not only teaches our football players how to play awesome football, but he cares about them as well as students and individuals. I have no respect for those on here who have insulted him or the administration when they have no right to do so and are not around the administration as much as the football players and students.

  • Ken
    Sept. 28, 2007 6:48 p.m.

    Maybe they should change thier logo to East High Rainbow Warriors!

  • Re:Mike
    Sept. 28, 2007 6:44 p.m.

    The school took proper action?

    What are you people thinking?

    If you saw a rape or any crime in your yard, would you wait until the next day to report it?

    Until the coach explains why he waited to report the crimes until the next day, this is not acceptable.

    This happend to two students between August 30th and September 11th. I find it hard to believe that the victims told no one, that rumors did not get out. Students gossip and create drama over the simplest things, yet this slips past everyone at the school for two weeks. This happened on school property.

    Why are people not outraged? Our we so blinded by sports and glory that we are willing to protect the adults to whom we trust our children at the expense of their safety.

    You applaud and find these actions "refreshing". I find the lack of action apalling. The lack of a moral compass by so many of the "posters" on this blog sickens me. Don't any of you have children that you love and want protected from predators? I hope someone finds the courage to hold the adults responsible.

  • Philip
    Sept. 28, 2007 6:38 p.m.

    The schools have kicked out God and allowed Satan to enter. That's why it happens.

  • Abogadospo
    Sept. 28, 2007 6:37 p.m.

    This behavior went on for over two months and the coaches didn't know about it? Ignorant? No it sounds more like negligence if it were my son I'd file a civil lawsuit against the defendants, the coaches and the school.
    The coaches waited to notify the school administration and then everybody started to circle the wagons,
    Depose the three kids and ask them who else knew what was going on.
    Strange question to a victim of sexual assualt about returning to practice, I would think the administrator would offer to get him some counseling.
    Whatever it takes to raise upstanding young men, I guess.

  • Mama Right
    Sept. 28, 2007 6:36 p.m.

    SICK!

    The RAPISTS should rot in JAIL!

  • Dave
    Sept. 28, 2007 6:29 p.m.

    I think many of us feared that this sort of thing might occur following the establishment of the Gay/Lesbian Alliance at East High School. From the viewpoint of this school-approved club, the only thing wrong with this behavior was the force involved. I hate to say "We told you so?"

  • GreatLakeState
    Sept. 28, 2007 6:30 p.m.

    Ethnicity is relevant. Black and brown sexual violence on white is rampant - just check the FBI stats. If this is an integrated school, that is one of the consequences.

  • Diogenes
    Sept. 28, 2007 6:20 p.m.

    Inhabitants of this second-rate society are capable of just about anything disgusting. Way to go, Baby Boomers. You sure have made a difference; even your grandchildren are perverted, wanton and, basically, sociopathic. Were these "kids" LDS, by the way? I would seriously doubt it.

  • Jackson
    Sept. 28, 2007 6:05 p.m.

    This is what happens when you participate in such a barbaric sport. I say ban this sport as it will only lead to more violence.

  • Mike
    Sept. 28, 2007 6:02 p.m.

    The sexual assault speaks for itself. This was a crime and, so far, has been handled appropriately. The season should not be canceled and anyone, regardless of "status" who commits a crime should be held accountable by the school and civil authorities. In this day and age of school coverups, obfuscations, and lies, it's refreshing to actually see a school take the proper action. Way to go East High.

  • Drudge reader
    Sept. 28, 2007 5:57 p.m.

    Richard, Why do you want to know the ethnic background of the kids? Whats up with that?

  • James
    Sept. 28, 2007 5:37 p.m.

    I would be interested to know who raised these young men to think that this was acceptable in any enviroment. How about a little personel accountability my the parents. These are the actions of a horrible adult and these "juvenile's" need to be treated as such.

  • Cary
    Sept. 28, 2007 5:26 p.m.

    After you completely remove God from every school in the land, what do you have left? It looks like the answer is demons. Imagine going to school every day and having to ward off attacks from incubi and succubi and other red-eyed fiends, and who ya gonna call?

  • mikey
    Sept. 28, 2007 5:24 p.m.

    Ummm. . first off, I have absolutely no interest in the "ethnic backgrounds" of the perpetrators. Secondly, you who think this was about sex are ignorant of the psychology of rape (and this WAS attempted rape). It's not about sex, homo- or hetero-. It's about power and self-loathing. It's a more violent expression of the syndrome we see in those blowhard conservatives who are so repressed that they can be rabidly anti-homosexual out of one side of their mouths while inserting naughty no-nos into the other. Does the name Larry Craig ring a bell? And not just him. There's a pretty big list ya know. ;)

  • KCFWB&G
    Sept. 28, 2007 5:14 p.m.

    This crap happened to me at summer camp 38 years ago.

    I still remember that incident with outrage and disgust. My counselor just laughed about it. I hate them all for it, and have NOT forgiven them.

  • Richard
    Sept. 28, 2007 5:08 p.m.

    It would at least be interesting to know the ethnic backgrounds of the perpetrators and the victims?

  • FB Fan
    Sept. 28, 2007 5:02 p.m.

    I agree with a poster, this team should have its season cancelled now! While this felony did occur and it did involve only sophmores, there is no way to make light of this. These boys, by wearing the East uniform, are representatives of the entire school and the whole football program. I think that a school up north was forced to give up a season a few years ago for a less severe incident.

    The coaches at this school should be in area and be a presence in and out of the lockerroom (if I understand right that this happened at the school)so that this can't happen. So as much as you want to applaude the East coach, there is still some blame that he must face. I am glad that these vagrants were removed from the team, and that it was reported, but it shouldn't have happened a first time and definatly not a second or third.

    It is sick to think that various youths were but throught this and I hope and pray that they can put this in the past and move on with their lives.



  • Quit Apologizing for the Coach
    Sept. 28, 2007 4:48 p.m.

    Coach Whitehead is responsible for his team and their actions.

    This started September 3rd and I am sure that is when the rumors started flying around school. I have worked in a large High School as a teacher and ran a varsity girls basketball program out of state for years. You follow up the rumors and make sure it doesn't happen.

    If someone is raping kids, you call the police. If anyone had heard about this at 10:00 and waited until the next day to report it, they should not be responsible for the safety of students. The victims might have retaliated, hurt themselves, hurt others, etc.

    Coach Whitehead has all of the culpability until it is reported, and all of the coaches, athletic directors and fans vouching for his character and what he's going through mean nothing if something would have happened that night between when he knew and when he reported it. It is the Law.

    I sincerely hope that when the truth comes out coach Whitehead is cleared, but I would quit apologizing for the man until this happens. If the students safety were put in jeopardy, he should be held accountable.

  • Dan
    Sept. 28, 2007 4:46 p.m.

    Chimp, how is this political in anyway? It's not. This is a story about sexual assault, aka an act that violated the law. Too much time on drudgereport has made you incapable of separating politics from the situation. This type of behavior is intolerable no matter which political side you tend to lean towards. That is why it is against the law. Your rhetoric lacks the application of something I like to call "Common Sense".

  • Izz the kid
    Sept. 28, 2007 4:37 p.m.

    This is disgusting. i mean these poor kids are being hurt because of some idiot kids. thank god for coaches like Whitehead.

  • j teew
    Sept. 28, 2007 4:19 p.m.

    In Boulder Colorado this would be considered American History 101. They are so cool in Boulder and free to do whatever they like.

  • Buddy
    Sept. 28, 2007 4:18 p.m.

    Deroy (above) is right when he says to: " discontinue football and all other sports. -do all classes via cable TV".

    High school is a waste of time for the vast percentage of kids. There are a few who can get some good, but that's often negated by being exposed to uncivilized animals. We are reaping what we've sown and we've gotten a pervered,collectivist society.

  • Linden Groves
    Sept. 28, 2007 4:10 p.m.

    So the coach let them know that their behavior was "unacceptable." A five year old saying a four letter word is "unacceptable." These boys have allegedly engaged in conduct that is hateful, immoral and criminal and should be punished accordingly if guilty. Rape is rape. Minimizing such conduct does no one any good. It's just "unacceptable" to do so.

  • Jeff in Texas
    Sept. 28, 2007 4:04 p.m.

    "Those who don't mind "being hazed, as JJ and Tom in Texas suggest, are victims of pathological psychological forces -- the technical term is the "Stockholm Syndrome" (Look it up.).

    Someone who defends hazing is sick or a good ol' idiot."

    JJ and Tom were not saying that this, or any other violent act, is hazing. They are saying that sometimes people do pranks for an "initiation" that does no harm. The example give of pushing a penny across the floor with your nose is a good one. There is no harm done; it is just something "to do".

    These cases were criminal sexual assaults, plain and simple.

  • THIS WAS NOT SO BAD!
    Sept. 28, 2007 3:57 p.m.

    After watching CNN's coverage of the "Jena Six" story, I have been enlightened. Stomping someone after he's lost consciousness or raping another male is no crime. Now, if those boys had hung a noose in a tree, they should be put to death! When is America going to wake up. After all, if you had to choose, wouldn't you rather be raped or stomped by 6 guys rather than endure the sight of a piece of rope left by a 16 year old?

  • MD
    Sept. 28, 2007 3:57 p.m.

    I don't know why "hazing" is attached to this. It's not an organized petty harrassment by the veteran players - it's rape pure and simple. they took advantage of thier victim's vulnerability. I suppose if these kids were straight, the victims would have been girls - sexual orientation is not the issue. It's not only female rape victims that are scared to report.

    Whether the the coach should have known or seen. Give them the benefit of doubt. They found out about it, then took the time to verify that there were grounds to call in the authorities before they potentially ruined someone's life with false charges. then they called the cops.

    My concern is this: why would any players feel they were safe from being discovered doing this on school grounds? Coaches should be walking through the locker rooms unpredictably (MWA -management by walking around) just so the perps would know there is a serious risk of being caught. Unsupervised teenagers can get up to lots of things.

  • Jessie
    Sept. 28, 2007 3:32 p.m.

    So you are saying that men regularly rape each other and that is nothing new, just good old horseplay and hazing. My gosh, I am glad to not be a boy. Rape is absolutely unacceptable behavior at any age.

  • Darrell
    Sept. 28, 2007 3:27 p.m.

    When did forcible rape become an acceptable form of male bonding? I don't recall anyone in my groups throughout Life, be it in school or the military or even in the work place ever suggesting we rape the new guy or girl to see how they would react. This trend towards the violent and perverse among todays youth frightens me. Where did these kids get the idea that this was something they would get away with? A few years ago on long island football players sodomized a kid during training camp and the parents tried to blow it off as a childish prank. Something in our society is truly twisted.

  • TW
    Sept. 28, 2007 3:21 p.m.

    If they are so interested in sodomy, put them in prison for a year

  • What?!?!
    Sept. 28, 2007 3:20 p.m.

    HAZING?!?! Who in their right mind would call this "hazing"?!

    Forcing someone down, holding them down, and sodomizing them is CRIMINAL SEXUAL ASSAULT. It's rape.

    Let's call it what it is, not play word games like Rush Limbaugh and call it fun school boy pranks, routine hazing, or "boys will be boys" like he did with the torture at Abu Ghraib.

  • Tia
    Sept. 28, 2007 3:10 p.m.

    I went to East, and this is reprehensible. This never happened while I attended.

    And kiddies who are huge fans of High School Musical think they all sing and dance there? I wish they did, it's nicer than what happens in real life in high schools in America.

  • Jon Baxter
    Sept. 28, 2007 2:54 p.m.

    Come on, boys will be boys.
    They have the pro sports stars' examples to prove they can do pretty much whatever they want with minimal consequences.

  • Dave in Scottsdale
    Sept. 28, 2007 2:39 p.m.

    This was attempted on me when I was a sophomore in high school. Luckily, I landed a good left uppercut on one the three trying to rape me ("just for fun"). Knocked the S.O.B. out cold and the other two ran out of the locker room.

    These kids need to be punished to the full extent of the law.

  • Anonymous
    Sept. 28, 2007 2:36 p.m.

    I don't think that is considered hazing - isn't hazing an organized activity carried out by upperclassmen? These were 15 year olds. Sick sick sick.

  • Unbelievable
    Sept. 28, 2007 2:33 p.m.

    These "boys" should be kicked out of school for life. After serving whatever time they do, they should never be allowed to hang out with anyone younger than 18, ever.
    These are people shaped animals and it is about time we stand up and demand that we not be forced to tolerate their presence. They gave up being kids when they started doing these things, let them pay their dues and then go get a job. I am sure they can learn a trade in jail.

  • Jeremy Shalom
    Sept. 28, 2007 2:32 p.m.

    i don't think that it was very nice of those boys. but i think they might have just been fooling around. i think if they really wanted to rape, at least one of the 3 incidents would have gone to completion. one boy successfully fighting off multiple attackers everytime? i think the assailants were just trying to humiliate their victim, but not actually penetrate. still a horrific act that deserves to be punished. but i do believe this incident resembles "hazing" more so than true "rape".

  • mm
    Sept. 28, 2007 2:27 p.m.

    What has our society come to? Easy to see why these things happen when morals mean nothing to many of our countrymen, educators and politicians. There is such a decay in standards that it has become "anything goes". Shame on America.

  • Chimp this
    Sept. 28, 2007 2:16 p.m.

    chimp my ride,

    This incident occurred in the most conservative state in the union. Your statement does not really deserve any acknowledgement, but its absurdity has prompted me to action.

  • Early Identification
    Sept. 28, 2007 2:16 p.m.

    One of the best things to come out of this is these three perps have been identified early in their deviant careers

  • Voice of Reason
    Sept. 28, 2007 2:14 p.m.

    As bad as this incident is, I believe hazing is becoming less and less acceptable, and less tolerated. It will never be extinct as long as people are people, but nowadays it is dealt with more frequently and harshly, thus keeping it at bay. In contrast to NYker, I believe that ANY tolerance of such acts cultivates a mentality that mutates and grows into bigger problems in the wider society. The fundamental basis of the criminal mentality is "every person for themselves," and "don't rat." Hazing and toleration of it feeds into both of those.

    Each incident can and should be dealt with according to the severity of the incident. My freshman coach dealt with a very, very minor incident by making us ALL run 5 miles of stair laps. That hammered the message home, and no one in my class ever attempted or tolerated hazing again. In this case, appropriate steps have been taken. What WOULDN'T be appropriate is punishing those who neither participated or witnessed by cancelling the season. The right lesson was taught by punishing the guilty, celebrating the person who brought it to light, and affirming the victims.

  • Voice of Reason
    Sept. 28, 2007 2:12 p.m.

    Being a man, Hazing never helped anyone do anything. Push-ups may make you a man, pushing yourself to your physical limits may make you a man, hazing only shows the hazers as cowards and bullies.

    Those who don't mind "being hazed, as JJ and Tom in Texas suggest, are victims of pathological psychological forces -- the technical term is the "Stockholm Syndrome" (Look it up.).

    Someone who defends hazing is sick or a good ol' idiot.

    Even the kind of hazing such as "making them carry your equipment to the bus" is stupid, non-productive, and is the virus that grows and mutates into conduct such as this. Mike Vick was only "hazing" those dogs.

  • NameWithHeld
    Sept. 28, 2007 2:05 p.m.

    This has rape, plain and simple. Hazing is between upper classman and under classmen. These were all sophmore and they knew what they wanted, they stalked out there victims are attacked them. The stdents, coaches, school district and police all did the right thing. The only thing wrong eith this was some idiot called it hazing.
    Cambridge Dictionary of American English:
    haze (TREAT BADLY) verb [T]
    to force (people new to a group, esp. a college social group or sports team) to take part in activities that are very embarrassing and sometimes harmful

  • Anonymous
    Sept. 28, 2007 2:03 p.m.

    Some people call it hazing I would call it rape. Im with Jamie.

  • Sportsman
    Sept. 28, 2007 2:01 p.m.

    Bullykilla, your "typical jock behavior" comment is as uninformed as it is idiotic.

    Don't try and sell us that you've "...quit all participation and support of any professional sport..." You never played any sport and you know it!

    Go back to playing backgammon. Your insipid comments have no place here.

  • chimp my ride
    Sept. 28, 2007 1:52 p.m.

    Liberalism is destroying the very fabric of american so ciety.

  • chimp my ride
    Sept. 28, 2007 1:51 p.m.

    these kids need to give up they're liberal ways.This is just not good.

  • Trans fat
    Sept. 28, 2007 1:45 p.m.

    What about that kid they let transfer from lone peak? he gets to play like tonight...can these kis do that?

  • Re Anonymous
    Sept. 28, 2007 1:42 p.m.

    Why would you ask if they are LDS?

  • Cheryl
    Sept. 28, 2007 1:39 p.m.

    Silly civilians. You can't punish athletes. It could affect their careers.

  • tr
    Sept. 28, 2007 1:36 p.m.

    I know this is pretty nasty stuff, but kick them off the team???
    C'mon, that's a little harsh!

  • Sharpton
    Sept. 28, 2007 1:36 p.m.

    time to play the race card?

  • jamie
    Sept. 28, 2007 1:29 p.m.

    this is crazy. why dont you print what it really is. RAPE or attempted RAPE. what a shame that they dont call it what it is. maybe it would make young men wake up and realize it is NOT HAZING. as far as the coach goes. i think it is sad it would take an act like this to make a team play better. makes me wonder what signs where there before that should have been a huge red flag to do something about it before it ever went this far.

  • JusticeForAll
    Sept. 28, 2007 1:24 p.m.

    Since the boys names cannot be released because they are minors, why not release the names of the parents. They should be hanging their heads in shame for what their children have done and deserve scrutiny from the community. The parents are responsible for teaching their child what is right and wrong. Right?

  • deroy
    Sept. 28, 2007 1:22 p.m.

    discontinue football and all other sports.

    do all classes via cable TV.

    no more school buses.
    that would be the end of GM who have been behind bussing kids to school all these years.

    curfew for all chill-runzz from 8A to 4P.

    those are school hours.

  • Sad state of affairs..
    Sept. 28, 2007 1:20 p.m.

    Freaks are raised by freaks. Bet the adult supervision was close to zero. There are bad eggs everywhere. You'd think the fellow students would be somewhat aware - this story would have ended better if the students were the ones to come forward and rat out the offenders. I'm sure they knew...

  • Betty Boop
    Sept. 28, 2007 1:17 p.m.

    Who knows, perhaps these boys will grow up and become conservative Republican senators.

  • Bullykilla
    Sept. 28, 2007 1:14 p.m.

    Typical jock behavior. Look at what kind of 'heroes' these kids have. I have quit all participation and support of any professional sport.

  • Hmmm
    Sept. 28, 2007 1:12 p.m.

    No, they're gay alright. And openly granting legitimacy to gay groups gives perverts like these perpetrators a green light in their minds to committing perverted acts in public with non-consenting victims. How else do they get the idea? In church?

  • pohaku-1
    Sept. 28, 2007 1:12 p.m.

    93 comments and it wasn't until
    comment # 75 that someone tried
    to tell us that "it was Brigham's
    fault", ad nauseam [# 88 +/-}.

    Only two (2) warts in an otherwise
    civilized exchange of thoughts.

  • Bubba
    Sept. 28, 2007 1:12 p.m.

    These 15 year-old rapists will get to experience some real rape after they get thrown in prison with the big boys. FRESH MEAT!

  • pattern?
    Sept. 28, 2007 12:49 p.m.

    The same hazing happened recently in Virden, IL...

  • Echo4Kilo
    Sept. 28, 2007 12:47 p.m.

    To Rich--
    Hockey? I played hockey for fourteen years, and hockey players are the most disgusting, disturbed people I've ever been around.....aside from maybe firemen......so I don't think that hockey is the answer.

  • Krazy Kansas
    Sept. 28, 2007 12:40 p.m.

    Capt.

    Depending on thei criminal history, they could be charged as adult, depening on the policy of the media or your state they names may become available.

  • Krazy Kansas
    Sept. 28, 2007 12:37 p.m.

    The suspects in this case have real issues and will most likely get some time. Will this happen to them while they are inside, maybe, but most likely what will happen is they will continue to victimize smaller guys in their new home as well. If the previous posts were accurate and they were starters I would assume they are pretty good sized guys.

    I have to agree it is about power but there is a sexual component in how they chose the victims. Once the identities come out, you may see more victims come out of the woodwork including females who may have been date raped

  • Anonymous
    Sept. 28, 2007 12:29 p.m.

    Chris, your comment that this type of behavior is abhorrent is correct. Problem is the rest of your post is pure garbage. Yes, 3 boys took did something aweful but what does that have to do with the rest of the team or program. Why punish the whole team and community for their actions? That would be stupid.

    If the coachs had not done their job (tried to hide this or someting) then something along the lines of canceling the season/shutting down the program should be considered. But that isn't what happened.

    As I see it, the leadership has made a very strong statment by their actions. They have kicked them off the team and turned them over to the police (they did their job). But further is the leadership they are showing by not getting involved in the hazing vs rape (I believe it is rape) debate. They have strictly said neither is tollerated here and they will not have it. A great message sent to the players and the whole community. Second is the leadership they are showing torwards the victims in how they have been treated. I believe this is their job, and I say WELL DONE!

  • Captain3292
    Sept. 28, 2007 12:16 p.m.

    Names were withheld due to they are minors. Any minor who commits a felony should not be protected. Being 15 years old they are mature enough to understand what the law is. Names and photos should be public knowledge not withheld. It goes with the crime.

  • Rich
    Sept. 28, 2007 12:15 p.m.

    This is why we should all play hockey.

  • Amazing G
    Sept. 28, 2007 12:12 p.m.

    Now that Drudge has picked up on this story it goes national. Hopefully now these disgusting thugs will get the prison time they deserve and it won't be just swept under the carpet.

  • Anonymous
    Sept. 28, 2007 12:10 p.m.

    Are these fine young men LDS

  • knowsmore
    Sept. 28, 2007 12:02 p.m.

    Hmmm comments are just sad. These are not gay boys, they are straight boys who think it's "funny" or "just a joke" to force another human being into doing something they do not want to do. It's no different than if they had attacked a woman. They are seriously disturbed - sexual preference had nothing to do with it.

  • CarlNB
    Sept. 28, 2007 11:57 a.m.

    When I was that age 50 years ago, we did not even know that such behavior existed. Our culture now is all about perverted sex. We need to clean up TV, movies and music.

  • Rocky
    Sept. 28, 2007 11:55 a.m.

    Chris, I find your comment about cancelling the season to be a gross over-reaction. It wasn't the team that committed these heinous crimes; it was a few individuals who are being held accountable for their actions. The team (and their opponents who want to play against them) should not be punished for what a few players did. The team is responsible to police it's own, but such gross aberrations need to be ferreted out for what they are, and not imputed to the rest of the players.

  • Anonymous
    Sept. 28, 2007 11:53 a.m.

    this isnt hazing. those 3 are a bunch of perverts

  • Hil Clinton
    Sept. 28, 2007 11:42 a.m.

    The ACLU needs to step in and defend the civil liberties of these children.

  • Tony
    Sept. 28, 2007 11:42 a.m.

    I can't believe this article never says the word rape. This was rape, and those rapists should be locked up for years and years.

  • Tom in Texas
    Sept. 28, 2007 11:32 a.m.

    I cannot buy into anyone's assertion that this was hazing. True hazing is good-natured, and can bring people closer together. Most things that are passed off as hazing nowadays are really violent actions that would be prosecuted if they happened on the street.

    This was rape, or attempted rape at best. This is an attempt by one group to assert dominance over another, and it takes us back to the stone age. This is not acceptable and should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

    The school and coaches are to be congratulated for their quick action in contacting authorities. However they should be castigated for creating an environment where the perpetrators would even consider that this was acceptable behavior.

    Throw the book at 'em!

  • JimR
    Sept. 28, 2007 11:25 a.m.


    NYker | 10:46 a.m. Sept. 28, 2007
    "While i do not condone the actions, i catogorically disagree with police intervention."

    I wonder if you'd feel the same way if somebody tried to put their private part up your behind.

  • Stubbs
    Sept. 28, 2007 11:23 a.m.

    For everyone that thinks this is being blown out of proportion, what if the victims were girls, would you still feel the same way?
    I hope that this attempted rape of a man gets treated the same way an attempted rape of a woman would be treated, but will see. It normally doesn't, the double standards must be removed. Attempted rape is attempted rape.

  • Racer
    Sept. 28, 2007 11:18 a.m.

    To NYker...what an idiodic statement.A sexual assault is a felony.Police involvement and a strong justice system is CERTAINLY what is needed.

  • Over Looked!
    Sept. 28, 2007 11:16 a.m.

    You've got to remember that this incident did not involve ANY varsity players! It is in the program and i understand that but the news did not make it clear that they WERE SOPHOMORE PLAYERS and that it occured away from the varsity team. The varsity team is doing too well to have anything taken away from them just because of a BAD HEADLINE. The media needs to realize this and they owe East an appology. Good luck the rest of the season leopards! Hold your heads up high!!

  • beth ann
    Sept. 28, 2007 11:15 a.m.

    oh, the attackers will probably get off with a slap on the hand and wind up with half of this country feeling sorry for them...the victims will wind up being the horrible ones...there will be busloads of people going there to stand up for the poor boys whose childhoods led them into this way of life...ever heard of Jena, LA??

  • Chris
    Sept. 28, 2007 11:15 a.m.

    Cancelling the season is the right thing to do if you want to hammer home the point that this behavior will not be tolerated and an individual's actions impact more than himself. This kind of behavior is abhorrent, and it seems that the hyper-religious community that Utah is is turing a blind eye to it. They're ignoring the brutality of it and changing subjects by saying that the coach is a good guy.

  • Michael
    Sept. 28, 2007 11:14 a.m.

    I really feel bad for the victims. This was not hazing it was rape!

  • Chris
    Sept. 28, 2007 11:13 a.m.

    Cancelling the season is the right thing to do if you want to hammer home the point that this behavior will not be tolerated and an individual's actions impact more than himself. This kind of behavior is abhorrent, and it seems that the hyper-religious community that Utah is is turing a blind eye to it. They're ignoring the brutality of it and changing subjects by saying that the coach is a good guy.

  • to: ricardo
    Sept. 28, 2007 10:49 a.m.

    I couldn't agree with you more. Thank you for your comments.

  • NYker
    Sept. 28, 2007 10:46 a.m.

    I think this incident is getting blown way out of proportion. Hazing is something thats gone on for thousands of years more or less without consequence. While i do not condone the actions, i catogorically disagree with police intervention.

  • well said
    Sept. 28, 2007 10:30 a.m.

    Ricardo you are correct sir.

  • Dave_D
    Sept. 28, 2007 10:30 a.m.

    In this stupid PC world of ours we have way to many overreactions to things that don't amount to a hill of beans but this is different. If the facts are correct it sounds like these little perverts need some jail time where someone may just put them on the receiving end of a rape. Three cheers to the coaches and school for stepping up and handling the situation.

  • An Old Midwestern Gal
    Sept. 28, 2007 10:29 a.m.

    Jocks have been hazing kids when i was in school 30+ years ago and always got a pass because they were jocks. But this story really illustrates how sick our society is and how that sickness shows up everywhere including our schools. I'm just thankful my son is grown, I really fear for kids being born into the world today.

  • to kevin from dullsville
    Sept. 28, 2007 10:29 a.m.

    Why would punishing the victims and bystanders by canceling the season ever be considered the right thing to do? "Gee, some football players were victims of assault, so let's add insult to injury by canceling their season" is a lame and uninformed response.

  • Practical Radical
    Sept. 28, 2007 10:23 a.m.

    To those who defend 'hazing' and who hesitate to call these repugnant acts 'rape,' your conscious self-blinding reactions are only going to maintain the level of danger the victims of these crimes faced or will enhance the danger. To those who say 'if your child doesn't go to this school, it is not your business,' you are also sheltering yourself from the part of the world that lies outside your little community. Wake up. You are probably Christians defending rape by omission of protest. What would Jesus do? Well, the Jesus I know wouldn't tolerate such life-changing violations upon these young individuals. He'd smote you for being so goddamn ignorant.

  • Mauna
    Sept. 28, 2007 10:23 a.m.

    Being a coach's wife, I know there is not much that goes on with these athletes that coaches don't know. This was a sexual assualt. Their names should be entered in the "sexual predator" lists, so something serious can be done about them WHEN they commit this crime again. Attacks do occur in the locker rooms more often than are reported. Most of them are muggings by two or three athletes usually against the last one to leave the locker room. They obviously have it planned. They know exactly what they are doing, and it is not hazing.

  • Dan
    Sept. 28, 2007 10:21 a.m.

    This just shows there is more to these 3 boys motives than simple "hazing", if that was ever their intention. As a heterosexual male, I would think there needed to be a certain level of "arousal" for these 3 boys to be convinced this is something they needed to do. Leaving sexual preference at the door, the only thing left is forced sexual intent.

  • Bixby
    Sept. 28, 2007 10:17 a.m.

    This sort of thing was a common practice in the wrestling program at our high school in the late 80s early 90s. It is perplexing as a lot of these guys are really homophobic, yet they do things like this.
    Odd.

  • Hmmm
    Sept. 28, 2007 10:14 a.m.

    When did the gay club merge with the football team? This is why gay clubs shouldn't be tolerated. Sexual preference is not a legitimate differentiator.

  • Greg Melville
    Sept. 28, 2007 10:15 a.m.

    Well, boys will be boys. Whats the big fuss? Pranks like this have been going on for generations. For all we know it could be just a simple misunderstanding. This is America where you are innocent until proven guilty!

  • czar
    Sept. 28, 2007 10:13 a.m.

    Memo to Athletes' Mom, whose "athletes" don't attend East High. Where I come from, they are called "children" or "sons/daughters."

  • Dan
    Sept. 28, 2007 10:10 a.m.

    The depravity of mankind. Repulsive and ever worsening.

  • Doug
    Sept. 28, 2007 10:08 a.m.

    To those who consider hazing an OK activity, it is precisely the acceptance of hazing with a wink and a nod that leads to more intense hazing as those that were victims of hazing will want to get even by stepping up the activity that is perpetrated on their victims. It should come as no surprise that the deviate behavior would intensify over time, which is what happened here. It is not about sex or homosexuality, and can easily be blown off by using those terms. It is about having power over another. This is exactly why hazing of any kind must not be tolerated.

  • Adam
    Sept. 28, 2007 10:08 a.m.

    Good on the coach and administration acting swiftly after learning what was happening. Hazing is making the first year players carry your equipment to the bus, what happened here was flat out criminal.

    For those that think the coach should have known all along, it's one thing to keep track of your own children, try to keep track of 50+ high school kids all at once. I used to teach and saw 130 students a day. I can promise you, the only thing I could keep track of was their grades.

    Why not praise someone for doing their job, they darn sure get flak when they don't.

  • ricardo
    Sept. 28, 2007 10:01 a.m.

    This kind of thing just didn't happen (nor did anyone dream of it happening when I was a student on the football team in midwestern state (1960's). And don't try to tell me some bull about we just didn't hear about it. IT WASN'T HAPPENING. We weren't continually exposed to and overwhelmed by violent films, rap lyrics, pornography, etc...and sexual perversion wasn't a lifestyle or accepted as normal behaviour.
    It makes me very scared for my grandsons when I see what kind of anger, disrespect, and perversion are present in today's youth. But when you present abnormal, anti-social, uncivilized behaviour as the norm and obscenity as freedom of speech, when God is no longer permitted to be part of our country and our heritage as our forefathers embraced, and when liberal socialism and political correctness are promoted by the mainstream media, what can we expect as a Nation and as a people?
    The parnets of these sezual perverts and thugs should be closely investigated, as well.

  • Doesn't happen everywhere
    Sept. 28, 2007 10:00 a.m.

    Those who think this happens everywhere are just ignoring the problem they have.

    I played football for a state championship program, a USA Today top 25 ranked team. In my 3 years playing in high school I never saw or heard of any act of hazing. We knew that it was unacceptable behavior and that the coaches would come down hard on any hazing type of behavior. Hazing is not a requisite for team unity.

    I have no idea when the coaches learned of this or how quickly they acted, nor if they handled it well or not.

    I do know that coaches can create a culture over time where hazing becomes unacceptable at any level. Maybe this was a first step towards that end. I do not know enough about this program to know.

  • kevinfromduluth
    Sept. 28, 2007 9:58 a.m.

    I was involved in a simular incident when I was in school many years ago...believe me, the coaches and other players knew what was going on and more than likely tried to cover it up....IF he's such a good coach, why not cancel the season..this would send a message that is you do the crime, know about the crime, and refuse to report the crime, you all pay the price

  • Jeff
    Sept. 28, 2007 9:49 a.m.

    I think what the coaches did was great. I live out of state and our coaches denied what was going on and fought to keep kids who were hazing on the football team.

  • Vernon
    Sept. 28, 2007 9:37 a.m.

    Those posters who are comparing this to rape are right on. Call it what it is. Whether it is male or female, locker room or bedroom, "friend" or stranger it is rape and should be treated as such.
    Those who say Coach Whitehead was just doing his job, I'm here to tell you that it was far above what some coaches would do. There are some who not only turn a blind eye, but actually encourage "hazing". I know of once situation where a coach allowed athletes on his team to verbally and mentally abuse team members. He actually did it himself. He is now an administrator at a school on the east side of the SL valley. The abuse needs to stop. The actions of East High coaches and administrators should be applauded by all. I would be glad to take my children to a school that has such responsible leaders.

  • SE-Missouri Mom
    Sept. 28, 2007 9:31 a.m.

    I know how you community feels. We have a similar occurance here in South Missouri. About 22 male basketball players from the East Carter County R2 school district of Ellsinore, Mo. attended a basketball camp at Lyon College, Batesville Arkansas the week of June 10-13, where allegations of horrible sexual hazing of boys ranging from ages 13-15 by older boys and was reportedly caught on a cell phone and found by a parent of one of the students involved. Although sexual hazing has been alleged, the local prosecutor has indicated in a Batesville newspaper interview that he intends to file far less serious charges than parents of the victims had sought. Prosecutor McSpadden (a veteran criminal attorney but newly elected prosecutor) said there could be no sexual hazing because there was no evidence of sexual gratification. Further research on his part will find that the sexual hazing issue is about power and domination over a victim. In other words, past sexual hazing cases elsewhere have been regarded by prosecutors as male-on-male sexual assault--without any gratification on the part of perpetrators except to assert power and dominance. WHAT??????? We all need to band together!!!!

  • Anonymous
    Sept. 28, 2007 9:23 a.m.

    these boys should for sure be put on sexual registry! that is just not right, hazing is not about sexual acts!

  • Gretzky
    Sept. 28, 2007 8:51 a.m.

    Unfortunately, there are thousands of "men" out there who have done varying degrees of similarity to what these 3 boys did at East High. These 3 will be made an example of but this will not fully atone for the sins of the sporting "fathers." For all of those that have been bullied and hazed as "frosh" in high school it's taken how many centuries to deal with this kind of perversion and intimidation??? these are certainly crimes but they are only doing what they were taught by their previous teammates of sports. i suspect these 3 perpetrators don't realize what they were doing was a crime and we may find out that they have had similar actions performed against them when they were younger. thank you to East high for attempting to break the cycle of sports crimes.

  • JJ
    Sept. 28, 2007 8:46 a.m.

    Hazing is one thing. While still against the rules, and those caught doing it should be suspended, it is generally things like making someone push a penny with your nose across the floor, or some other juvenile act.

    This is not a case of hazing. This is criminal and devient behavior. When it crosses into this type of event, whether it be of a sexual nature, binge drinking, or physical abuse it cannot be tolerated on any level.

    I don't really care if the seniors make the underclassmen who wish to participate in chasing a pig around in the mud trying to catch it. (Yes, some people don't mind being hazed.) If they get caught, they broke the rules and should be suspended, but it doesn't end in any harm to the students.

  • anonymous goes to east
    Sept. 28, 2007 8:31 a.m.

    this didnt happen more than once in the locker room. only a select few saw what happened and they reported it. this media coverage is just bringing them down. it happened three weeks ago they have moved on and so should you.

  • Hi
    Sept. 28, 2007 8:27 a.m.

    Ewwwwww, yuck.

  • SLC gal
    Sept. 28, 2007 7:57 a.m.

    Having attended East High myself (recent enough to have attended classes in the new building),Iam shocked and saddened by this horrible act demonstrated by fellow "Leopards". I am glad to hear Coach Whitehead and other adminstrators have taken the appropriate actions for all involved and hope the young men involved recieve the counseling they need.

    GO LEOPARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Coach Max
    Sept. 28, 2007 3:42 a.m.

    My hats off to the Coach whose bearing the burden of all this. How could these kids do this to the Coach? I mean, really, didn't they think of his reputation at all?

    I'm glad the Coach from East High is getting so much support from the community, God knows he's gone through so much already.

  • Jeffrey Herr
    Sept. 27, 2007 10:17 p.m.

    I was the administrator at East in charge of athletics from 2004-06 and Coach Whitehead is outstanding coach and leader of young men. I can also say this for the other coaches (both boys and girls)I worked with who are currently there. East's coaches have always insisted on doing things the right way. Sometimes that cost them victories but the integrity and honesty of these coaches will be their bench mark long after they are gone. When Coach Whitehead moves on to the next level, the university that hires him will be very lucky and will have a program of which they can be proud. I am proud of you, Aaron, your staff and my friends in the administration of East for doing the right thing.

  • CTR
    Sept. 27, 2007 10:10 p.m.

    I am glad that this incident is being called what it is...sexual abuse, not hazing. Hopefully the victims of this abuse are getting some help.

  • Anonymous
    Sept. 27, 2007 9:56 p.m.

    For those of you who have come to the conclusion that all of East High's athletes share tendencies similar to those that were demonstrated by the three students mentioned in the article are very naieve. If there are three people in a society that commit murder, do you assume that all memebers of the society are murderers? Of course not! So why do you make the assumption that all athletes at East High are rapists with homosexual tendencies?

  • Being a man
    Sept. 27, 2007 9:30 p.m.

    I know that I hazed a few players as a high school athlete, and the so-called "victims" thanked me later for helping to tough them up and learn how to defend themselves. East High is running from a legal entanglement as they ought to be, but its a rouse to say that hazing is the issue at hand here.

  • East 75
    Sept. 27, 2007 8:24 p.m.

    I went to East All my Kids went to East. Good Job Coaches...Whitehead IS A MAN AMONG MEN.

  • uhh
    Sept. 27, 2007 8:07 p.m.

    one of the 3 would not happen to be one of your kids is it?

  • uhh wakeup
    Sept. 27, 2007 8:07 p.m.

    uhh this is a serious perverse problem. This is a bad reflection of East, the community and the state. It is people like you who put their head in the sand that allow behaviors like this to take place. For the student that reported this to the coach should be proud for being brave enough to do it.

  • uhh
    Sept. 27, 2007 7:05 p.m.

    Seriusly get over it.. if your student doesnt go to East then dont worry about it. Mind your own business.

  • Sickened
    Sept. 27, 2007 4:53 p.m.

    These boys need the book thrown at them (whatever that happens to be for juviniles, and assuming they are all younger than 18)...

  • M
    Sept. 27, 2007 3:33 p.m.

    I think it is great that this is being taken care of but to be kicked off the football team? BIG WUP! These boys should NEVER be allowed back in school and quite frankly should have their butts thrown in jail, the disgusting little punks!!!

  • Kasele
    Sept. 27, 2007 3:06 p.m.

    This is sad...I hope that these kids will be punished to the fullest, and I hope that the kid that this unfortunate event happened to, will be able to recover from the embarrasement and this picture that will linger in his mind forever, Coaches please...don't tell me that you do not know that things like this happened, but you know all the plays of the opponents..wake up and smell the damn freaking coffee, We were not there possibly to know what happened, but I think that this is a COWARDLY act from kids that does not have an ounce of values in their lives, everyone makes mistakes..
    this is just sad, I hope that the Football team will be able to put this aside and concentrate on the upcoming games that lies ahead of them.....SAD very, very SAD.......good luck

  • yeah!
    Sept. 27, 2007 3:04 p.m.

    two years ago , a kid was allowed to play on the 2A level while everyone in the town knew the guy stole the dope from the evidence box then eliminated himself by testing positive on his test ,one he stayed up all nite studying for , while other fine athletes sat the bench. It comes down to the philosopy of the coaches and then they expect parents to be so stupid to buy into what they are selling ..sorry but we're not fools ..if it had been my kid , he would have been off the team so FAST!

  • Supporter
    Sept. 27, 2007 2:15 p.m.

    God bless Coach Whitehead, his assistants, the victims, and the players on the East High Football Team. Lets all hope that this incident does not fester in the news and that the team and coaches can get it behind them.

  • Mishandled
    Sept. 27, 2007 2:10 p.m.

    re:alternate

    Sorry to disappoint you, but I will not lose sleep over it. Once again, the way the story was reported suggests that too much time passed between the time it was reported to the coach and then reported to the authorities. During that timeline another student might have been assualted, or proper counseling might not have been made availible to the victims, and they might have hurt themselves in the process. Youth are fragile. In my world children are protected. In your world, officials, teachers and schools are protected. I like my world.

  • Mishandled
    Sept. 27, 2007 1:52 p.m.

    re:Insider
    Important facts that were left out of the newspaper story.

    Thanks

  • ???
    Sept. 27, 2007 1:38 p.m.

    I have no idea who coach whitehead is, I'm a basketball coach up north, so I know the demon that he deals with from time to time in working with teenage athletes, but I hope you critics out there back off. If you think kids are safer in another school, I say good luck to you. That's a foolish thought. Coach, you did your job and thanks for doing it the right way. The point is it was dealt with and hopefully doesn't happen again. I hope we all fear for the kids and what they go through today. Why would you criticise someone that is in this situation. I promise that coach whitehead didn't ask for this...

  • Alternate
    Sept. 27, 2007 1:29 p.m.

    To 1st Parent. Your comment about Lone Peak is very disappointing. This has zero to do with the LP situation.

    To Mishandled. Your comments are also disappointing. Based on the facts that I read and I am sure you read, the school officials acted correctly. I am afraid that in your world there would be no officials, teachers or schools.

  • Insider
    Sept. 27, 2007 1:23 p.m.

    The head coach was informed by the sophomore coach after 10 pm that night. Prior to school starting the next day, the head coach was in the principal's office reporting it. Where the previous post is wrong, it was reported to the police within minutes of the coach and the principal meeting. Only the third attack was reported to the coach. The other two attacks came to light during the police investigation. The three players were arrested shortly there after.

  • Whiteboard
    Sept. 27, 2007 1:21 p.m.

    When I think of hazing (and by no means do I condone it), I think of a large group of upperclassmen putting the newbies through humiliating activities.

    With this case--three boys acting independently of the team, stalking and attacking a lone student--it sounds like sexual predation, and something so violent and deviant can't be lessened with the rote "boys will be boys" cliche.

    The suspects involved are not looking to initiate others into their football fraternity, they're acting on psychopathic urges that should be met with counseling, jail time and being listed on the registry.

  • Athlete's Mom
    Sept. 27, 2007 1:20 p.m.

    My athletes do not attend East, but I had to write in. Parents of all athletes at East should be the first to applaud the school's actions. Contrary to some student's and parent's beliefs, the administration, teachers and coaches are NOT babysitters. They are NOT responsible for the student's behavior or moral ethics. That is taught at home, that is the responsibility of PARENTS! And if the student brings the sort of unacceptable behavior, that these students are accused of to the school, one should take a closer look at their personal lives and NOT BLAME the school staff. I also applaud the student who was brought up with the moral ethics at home to stand up and report the incident he witnessed. Thank you for making a stand for the young men in your school and for letting all student athletes, who a few consider themselves above the law, know that unacceptable behavior is just that and that no matter the reason given "hazing" or otherwise, they are finished. Hopefully, East is working with the parents of these young men in finding them some help.

  • Mishandled
    Sept. 27, 2007 1:03 p.m.

    It is hard to hide assaults happening at a school like this between August 30th, September 3rd and 6th until September 11th.

    Instead of calling an administrator or the police that night (I'm sure coach Whithead knows both numbers) he waited until the next day. The police were informed the day after that. And posters in this blog are saying that this is what coaches, teachers, and administrators are supposed to do? They are dangerously wrong.

    I'm sorry, but if one of my children went to East High School, they would be pulled out today and not returned with these people responsible for their safety. As an educator of 15 years I question the safety of students at East High School. Mandatory reporting of any abuse is supposed to be done the same day. This should have been reported at the first whisper of any danger to students, period. I hope the UDE looks into the licensing of these individuals and takes appropriate and swift action for the safety of all students.

  • to anonymous . . .
    Sept. 27, 2007 1:02 p.m.

    Yes he did his job. Courage or no courage, he did what he was supposed to. He didn't hide anything when contacted by the press, he didn't pass it off to district personnel or administrators, he took accountability for his program. Courage. Well, it's debatable, I think so, but you are entitled to your opinion. You make it seem like it's another day at the office. What he did was not easy. Honorable? Absolutely. A lot of programs would try to hide this. The coach reported it immediately and took immediate action.

  • re: anonymous
    Sept. 27, 2007 12:48 p.m.

    Yes it happened in his program. However, worse have happened in other programs, high school and college that were never reported. Perhaps the coach did the obligatory thing, but courage was shown by the team mate to stand up to the three bullies. I wish we were as all honorable as you.

  • 1st parent...
    Sept. 27, 2007 12:29 p.m.

    Where are you from? The "perfect world" of Lone Peak, you say.

  • Anonymous
    Sept. 27, 2007 12:28 p.m.

    What are you talking about? He did what he was suppose to do. What any coach would have done. Don't talk about courage when they do what they are suppose to do. Good for the coach for doing what he's suppose to do. It's nice to know that if my kid gets sexually assaulted a coach will stand up for him or her. But it wasn't like it was a tough decision on his part to make and to call the authorities. Any coach would have done that. Don't make him sound like he's one of a kind. It was his program where this happened...

  • RE: Anonymous
    Sept. 27, 2007 12:04 p.m.

    His job is to coach. Not police perverted children. He did do more than most coaches. He did more than his Job.

  • another parent
    Sept. 27, 2007 11:33 a.m.

    Yes, heinous activities took place. Events that should have never taken place, let alone on the campus of a public school.

    A previous post questioned the outrage. I assure you that there was outrage. I assure you that Coach Whitehead, his staff, his varsity players, the sophomore players, and the administration were outraged. There was no "lax" attitude in dealing with this terrible event.

    I assure you that this is eating Aaron Whitehead up. Many people outside looking in do not realize how much a coach puts into a program. Coach Whitehead places more into his program than the average coach. He places honor and character above winning. Coach Whitehead did do the right thing at the right time. As a previous post stated, a lot of courage was displayed.

  • Anonymous
    Sept. 27, 2007 11:21 a.m.

    It has nothing to do with courage. You can't sit back and talk about how good of job the coach did. He did what he was suppose to do nothing more and nothing less. It's funny to me how we praise people for doing what they're suppose to do. It's their job!!!

  • Re: a parent
    Sept. 27, 2007 11:20 a.m.

    Do you mean to tell us that teachers/coaches know everything that goes on at a school? Did you ever do anything that no teacher/coach/parent knew about? GET REAL! Kids know, and have always known, how to get away with things; even the disgusting crap described here. Really, what would you have coaches do? Be in the locker rooms every second watching all the kids dress/shower? Should teachers now escort every kid to the bathroom as well? As far as what is being reported, this situation was handled correctly. If not, please educate us all on what could have been done differently.

  • Josh Shudup to East Fan
    Sept. 27, 2007 11:13 a.m.

    That's just too wierd. Hmm... I wonder if all your East High football players treat eachother that way? Either way... Way to go you East High Leopards! You show your true colors with this one!

  • Ken
    Sept. 27, 2007 11:00 a.m.

    A rarity here: Courage displayed on so many levels:
    1. A student "ratted out" his fellow teammates to an assistant coach (the guilty 3 were all starters).

    2. The assistant coach immediately reported the incident to the head coach.

    3. The head coach immediately notified the proper authorities.

    So often we read about players, teams, coaches, and even school administrators who try and cover up such events, but EVERYONE involved took the courageous road and placed honor above football.

    I feel bad that these events occurred, but hopefully others will see the positive outcome to this situation and take courage to eliminate these heinous acts once and for all.

  • A parent
    Sept. 27, 2007 10:56 a.m.

    Are you kidding!!! Are we to believe that the coaches and administrators had absolutely no idea that this disgusting behavior was going on around them. This is not just a one time event, this happened several times. Where is the out rage, the coaches didn't know, but almost every student did. These acts took place at school, a play where we expect our students should be protected. This isn't throwing a kid in a locker. Wake up people

  • Steve Shipp
    Sept. 27, 2007 10:22 a.m.

    Coach Whitehead is a class act. He is a coach in whom a parent can have confidence he will not only teach your son football, but build his character as well. The conduct of these three boys is not representative of the team, the coaches, or the school. I am glad to see appropriate action being taken.

  • East Fan
    Sept. 27, 2007 9:32 a.m.

    Coach Whitehead is an amazing.

  • Way to Go!
    Sept. 27, 2007 9:13 a.m.

    I know first hand that this kind of stuff goes on at other schools and very little if anything is done depending on the "athlete" that is committing the crime. I applaud you in what you did coach! I also applaud the team in their support to the three boys as this was DEFINATELY not their faults!

  • Ron Remund
    Sept. 27, 2007 8:11 a.m.

    Coach Whitehead is a great coach. His greatness is in his ability to make sure his players become good, outstanding citizens. Good Job Coach. Keep up the good work. Telafalala!

  • Tom
    Sept. 27, 2007 1:44 a.m.

    Thanks for the positive spin at the end. With such an unfortunate series of events and stupid behavior by those kids, its nice to know that the team is pulling through this and that the 3 are being held accountable. The article was written well and I applaud East's coach for stepping up and handling this well. Good luck to all the East boys the rest of the year.