Churches choose to stay out of questions of status

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  • Words and Actions
    May 20, 2010 11:26 a.m.

    If you want to use the 12th Article of Faith then by that standard Joseph Smith, Brigham Young and multiple early church leaders broke the law. They should be posthumously excommunicated.

    What we aren't talking about is the state immigration laws violating the 4th Ammendment of the US Constitution against unreasonable search and seizure. These new laws require that everyone carry paperwork at ALL times. That trumphs a misdemeanor violation, our lawmakers are destroying the Constitution with these laws.

    The Constitution is hanging by a thread and everyone is so crazed about immigrants that they don't see that laws against immigrants are laws against all Americans. Dumb, dumb, dumb. Our lawmakers are pushing this just to get elected, they know these laws won't solve anything. We have to get the feds to do something. The state will go broke when Constituional attorneys descend on our courts. DUMB

  • arc
    July 1, 2008 4:24 p.m.

    "With the creation of stakes and the construction of temples in most nations with sizeable populations of the faithful, the current commandment is not to gather to one place but to gather in stakes in our own homelands. There the faithful can enjoy the full blessings of eternity in a house of the Lord. There, in their own homelands, they can obey the Lords command to enlarge the borders of His people and strengthen her stakes (see D&C 101:21; D&C 133:9, 14). In this way, the stakes of Zion are for a defense, and for a refuge from the storm, and from wrath when it shall be poured out without mixture upon the whole earth (D&C 115:6)." E. Oaks, April Conf. 2004.

    Find one General Conference talk by one of the 1st Presidency or 1 of the 12, that says differently since the 1950s. You won't find one.

  • uteowl
    Jan. 28, 2008 6:12 p.m.

    OK, I'm one of the apostate. I admit I have a BIG problem with the baptism of illegal immigrants while here in the US. They are here illegally. AOF #13 states: We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in OBEYING, HONORING, and SUSTAINING THE LAW.

    Others who are breaking the law are told to repent and get right with civil authorities before baptism, why not these people.

    Moving to the political...

    As for Dr.(?)Solorzano. He's right immigration has played a part in both nations' histories, but there are now laws on the books of both countries (presumably Mexico has immigration laws) that govern and dictate what's legal and what's not.

    One of the things that galls many US Citizens is that it appears that Mexico has been waging a quiet invasion of the United States in an attempt to get back the territory that Solorzano and his fellow countrymen feel in their heart was stolen from them.

    I don't think that there are very many US Citizens who would be willing to give back one inch of ground. Some Texas border towns are fighting the fence for this very reason.