I hope the Barack Obama devotees are reading the fine print of his Iraq "plan." Please note his withdrawal applies to "combat brigades" (about 45,000 of the 146,000 troops in country) and even that "deadline" is contingent on conditions on the ground at the time of the putative withdrawal. That, if it takes place, apparently leaves thousands of troops for training the Iraq army and providing it with logistical, intelligence and civil affairs support.

Of course, those troops will be on large bases with needed security units. He also pledges we will stay there until there is a stable and viable Iraqi government. Presumably that means one that is capable of defending its national territory and sovereignty. That looks a lot like McCain's definition of victory. I see little difference between the two.

Ronald M. Holdaway