At their first meeting during the siege at Marion, Addam Swapp told a negotiator "it looked like it was going to be war," the negotiator testified Monday as the Singer-Swapp trial resumed.
But during their second meeting, Ogden Kraut told a federal court Monday, Addam Swapp backed off the first statement and said he did not want bloodshed.Kraut, a photographer for Dugway Proving Ground and friend of the Singer-Swapp family, said he visited the farmhouse three times during the standoff that ended with the death of Lt. Fred House on Jan. 28.
Also Monday, prosecutors said Addam Swapp apparently wrote a letter to U.S. District Judge Bruce S. Jenkins, who is overseeing the proceedings.
Kraut went to the farmhouse on Jan. 25, taking photographs of the family and trying to work out a peaceful solution. He was met at the gate by Addam and Jonathan Swapp and Vickie Singer. Jonathan Swapp carried a rifle, while his brother had a rifle and two pistols.
He described the tension when federal agents on snowmobiles began driving around just as he arrived. He wondered if he was a decoy for some action against the family, but realized it was a change of shift for officers who were keeping the house under surveillance.
Kraut said he asked Addam Swapp if he was responsible for the bombing that destroyed the Kamas LDS Stake Center on Jan. 16. "He didn't answer," Kraut said.
But he did refer to dynamite that officers believe was used to destroy the building.
"Addam said the dynamite was heavy, " Kraut related, "I asked him if there was any in the house then, and he said no, not in the house."
He said Addam Swapp told him he had a revelation. "A lot of the these things were coming to a head, the church, state and nation were going to be cleansed . . . this revelation would be the means of bringing about a confrontation with the police."
As he was questioned by U.S. Brent D. Ward, Kraut said Addam Swapp told him there would be "some shooting before this was cleared up."
Kraut testified that Addam Swapp said if officers "came onto the property there would be shooting, he would consider it an attack or aggression and he would defend himself."
Kraut said he told Addam he did not think it was Addam's mission to start a war.
"He said it looked like it was going to be a war . . . things would start there in church, state, and nation."
During this visit, Kraut testified, nobody seemed to want to leave the house and those present seemed not disoriented. Vickie Singer, mostly was "reading quotations from the Bible."
On Jan. 26 he returned to the home with a letter from Gov. Norm Bangerter. Although Swapp was reluctant to respond, Kraut urged him to write back and he and Vickie Singer did write a reply, Kraut told the court.
"Addam said he did not want any bloodshed, which I thought was a big improvement over the first time."
Charlotte Singer Swapp, one of Addam's wifes, was baking cookies. Addam "had an ammunition belt on his shoulder and waist with ammunition in it. He a gun on each side," Kraut said.