Reader comments: Reader comments: FLDS raid aftermath: Monica's story

Anonymous | 7:08 a.m. Apr. 14, 2008
She had to opportunity to go with her children, why didn't she go with them?
Steve | 8:27 a.m. Apr. 14, 2008
To Anonymous...Why do you assume that she had the opportunity to go with her children? I have read here in Texas that approximately 15 of the mothers were not at home when the raid took place, and then when they came back to the ranch, it was blockaded and they weren't allowed in. Just like when any significant event takes place, be it 9-11 or war, there is always a fog of bad information and faulty assumptions that come out. Let's take a look for a minute at some basic facts: Alleged abuse took place, yet the abuser is in Arizona, and his parole officer claims the guy never left. The caller cannot be located, and is apparently not on the ranch. Do you think it could possibly be some local person of another religious persuasion who did the set up? The press is quick to assume every rumor to be true, and in this country we are innocent until proven guilty. If there is abuse, investigate the accused abuser and victim, use probable cause... don't just go in and round up 416 children on the claim of one abuse incident - just because it is an unpopular religion.Who's next?
Steve | 8:31 a.m. Apr. 14, 2008
To Anonymous...Why do you assume that she had the opportunity to go with her children? I have read here in Texas that approximately 15 of the mothers were not at home when the raid took place, and then when they came back to the ranch, it was blockaded and they weren't allowed in. Just like when any significant event takes place, be it 9-11 or war, there is always a fog of bad information and faulty assumptions that come out. Let's take a look for a minute at some basic facts: Alleged abuse took place, yet the abuser is in Arizona, and his parole officer claims the guy never left. The caller cannot be located, and is apparently not on the ranch. Do you think it could possibly be some local person of another religious persuasion who did the set up? The press is quick to assume every rumor to be true, and in this country we are innocent until proven guilty. If there is abuse, investigate the accused abuser and victim, use probable cause... don't just go in and round up 416 children on the claim of one abuse incident - just because it is an unpopular religion.Who's next?
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Aaron | 12:17 p.m. Apr. 14, 2008
Steve,
I believe you are on some logical sense here. The pieces just don't seem to match of what has been given from the "authorities". lets have regular people go in and talk with those people. Not some figure who thinks they have unlimited control. What most Authority doesn't have is respect. And you may be right, who's next? I Believe they need some understanding, and genuine public help. Anything anybody from the outside can do. Any suggestions of how I or someone else can start up such a help group?
Persephone | 2:43 p.m. Apr. 14, 2008
I am sure she does love her children, but love isn't enough to protect them from child rapists who are also her abusers.

Just the fact alone that so many of the "mothers" or rape victims are underage proves the acceptance of the abuse that has gone on in this misogynist sect masquerading as a loving religion.
complicated | 6:57 p.m. Apr. 14, 2008
Persephone, what is worse I have often asked myself...Young girls who feel faithful to God and their religion by marrying a Polygamist when a young virgin, or a young girl happy to rid herself of her virginity to either an older or younger person who is not responsible enough or cares enough about the child that could develop from the encounter? And then, who is the better parent? The young mother, who with maturity beyond her age, raises her child, with a father and several sister wives, with a strong spiritual devotion to God or the young single mother who gives up her baby, or raises it with no father around or chooses to kill her unborn child? Sorry, but as much as I don't like the age of many of these girls I am reminded that many of my ancestors married quite young and so did some very famous people...aka Loretta Lynn. It is a hard question to ask since it's engrained in us that only perverts marry young girls. Bottom line, this woman is suffering as only a mother who LOVES her child can suffer and she and her children deserve to be with each other!
Persephone | 7:10 a.m. Apr. 15, 2008
Complicated, if that is the only choices we give our girls then we all need to do some work. Just because our ancestors did something doesn't make it right. We are supposed to learn from history.
SAD | 7:23 a.m. Apr. 15, 2008
I am very, very sad for the mothers and for the children. I don't think they should have separated them. It's a highly traumatic event that just does not add up. The adult men are the abusers. Yet the women are suffering and the children are suffering. I don't get why they decided to do it this way. They ALL need counseling. Especially the women and children. Remember the men were children once. It's a very complicated and expensive venture. Why did we let it get this far??? I think we made a mistake by taking the mothers away from the kids. Give them back their mothers and then deal with the abuse. The abuse is NOT from the mothers. It's from the adult men.
Ashamed in Texas | 8:49 a.m. Apr. 15, 2008
I was born and raised in the state of Texas with a pride in this great state, but I am ashamed of the way that the Texas authorities have handled this case. The call from the teenager sounds suspect. The authorities jumped the gun and my hope is that in the end they will have egg on their face with the nations eyes watching. Americans have rights and freedom. We are innocent until PROVING guilty in a court of law. These women and children are being punished without due process. Wild assumptions are being made by Child Protective Services just from a phone call. When might they come to your door? Isn't that for a court to decide not CPS. My heart goes out to these women and chilrdren.
HELP | 9:39 a.m. Apr. 15, 2008
I have a good friend that was born and raised in a home like this in Utah and he always told me that many of the moms were abused as children by their dads, uncles, other relatives, so that it almost becomes "normal" behavior and accepted. He tried to get "out" of it when he was a teen and it was his mother that convinced him to stay and the abuse continued. The indoctination that goes on in these communities is beyond the "outside worlds" comprehention. The abused becomes a abuser or allows abuse to go on all in the name of family, love, and religion. I don't agree with how Texas went about this, but Utah and Arizona has sat back and allowed abuse to go on for years before they did something about it, at least Texas is making it clear that they will not tollerate child abuse in any form.
not right | 1:36 a.m. Apr. 16, 2008
i see all these videos and wonder, why wont these women stand up and say that what they are claiming is not happening here. Men dont have several wives, my last name is.., young girls dont get married off to older men..
and why dont the interviewers ask???
and where are all the men?
Abe | 4:07 p.m. Apr. 17, 2008
If there was abuse going on, wsn't it being committed by the men? So why are the men left free to do what they want? Why didn't they haul off all the men and leave the women and children together in the compound? That would have taken care of the housing and food logistics problem alone. It also would have kept the women and children together.
Jenni | 1:08 a.m. May. 1, 2008
I have mixed emotions about it, truthfully no one knows what exactly went on in that place, besides who was there!! I don't beleive it is right for the state to take action the way they are!! I think the ones we need to ask is the children, and some may say they are brainwashed, but children will be children and they will eventually tell you the truth, but taking them from there mothers was inappropriate, that is all the children have on there minds, is seeing there mothers again!! I don't know, i am all over the place on this one!! SO many people are saying bad things about these people, and many don't even know what is really going on! They are just trying to make it seem bigger than it really is, to get the attention, they just need to put the abusers away, and let these children go back to there mothers!! Even if they are brainwashed, i think they have gotten the point and are not going to let the same thing happen again!!

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