Doug Robinson: Throwing Darren Carrington a lifeline destroys 'student-athlete' myth

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  • Gruncle Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 15, 2017 2:18 p.m.

    @TFUDD

    What a bash on the University of Utah football program and Darren Carrington. Can't believe you even considered writing this article. Should every team just not give him a chance then?

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    What is wearing a different colored uniform going to change? There's nothing wrong with giving someone a chance, what did he do to earn the chance besides get kicked off of the Oregon football team for DUIs, failing drug tests, assaulting an innocent person? Breaking multiple laws automatically qualifies a person for another chance? If a person isn't a premier athlete then those kinds of activities usually qualify them for a chance at jail.

    The shoe fits in this case, Doug did the right thing in shining a light on Whitt's indifference. Whitt's desperation to be competitive in the Pac12 is dragging the ute football program to new lows. What's wrong with requiring the kid to do something to show he's ready for a 2nd chance? Something besides timing him in the 40 yd dash that is.

  • Gruncle Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 15, 2017 2:08 p.m.

    Apparently, Saban is running a halfway house. The choice: Put them on the football team or they’ll cause trouble for law-abiding citizens. Talk about setting a low bar for recruits....Let’s start with the myth that these players are “student-athletes.”....The Utes’ invitation to Carrington is purely mercenary.

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    Great article Doug. it's a desperate move by a desperate coach, desperate to try and get Utah over the hump and avoid their annual November swoon. He runs the utes like a Halfway House but different from Saban he looks the other way when they assault law-abiding citizens at knife point or destroy public property (Hatfield and Byrd-Butler). Then he rewards them as Team Captains ie Hatfield (who later got suspended from the bowl game).

    Does this surprise anyone? Whitt's not concerned with character or how a player represents the school, the team or the community. His concerns are with their 40 time and how highly rated they are and can they help him win on the field. Didn't he also try and bring in Josh Gordon from Baylor in another desperate move a few years ago?

    He's so transparent it's pathetic.

  • payara OREM, UT
    Aug. 12, 2017 3:02 p.m.

    In the age of Fake News, Doug Robinson speaks the truth. good writing and explanation of what college ball is really all about. $$$ and more $$$

    I am a big fan of the game and wish these guys all succeed but you have to call them out when it becomes too obvious.

  • UoU 1991 Park City, UT
    Aug. 12, 2017 8:29 a.m.

    Uteology

    "Is turning the other cheek against the honor code?"

    Easier said than done, especially when someone gets right in your face and starts taunting you immediately after you've suffered a heart-breaking OT loss.

    Nobody has ever claimed that BYU athletes are perfect.

    Besides, doesn't turning the other cheek apply to all Christians?

    Why didn't Memphis's players turn the other cheek in either of the brawls Memphis was involved in that season?

  • TroyTown Anaheim, CA
    Aug. 12, 2017 8:24 a.m.

    AZUTE1

    It's incredible the rationalization of Ute fans permeating these threads regarding Carrington.

    This is all about the Utes looking out for their own self interests and has nothing to do with Whit being altruistic and trying to help a kid turn his life around.

    As others have said, if Carrington weren't a star receiver and couldn't immediately fill a critical need for Utah,

    Whittingham wouldn't have even contacted him about playing for the Utes.

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    Aug. 12, 2017 7:55 a.m.

    AZUTE1

    If you really believe that Whit invited Carrington to join the Utes simply because he wanted to help the kid turn his life around...

    you're really naive.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 12, 2017 1:54 a.m.

    Truth Machine - Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 11, 2017 9:24 a.m.
    Uteology

    Memphis started the brawl in Miami by getting into the faces of BYU players on the sidelines.

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    Is turning the other cheek against the honor code?

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Aug. 11, 2017 8:20 p.m.

    It's incredible the holier than thou attitude permeating these threads regarding DC II from byu fans.

    You're just jealous he fell into our lap....He's a superstar, period.

    Coach KW has a proven track record of assisting wayward kids in turning their lives around permanently.

    This is precisely the mentality Christ himself would have.

    Enough already w/your envy-fueled tirade.

    Remember Christ & his challenge to "cast the 1st stone"?

    Go Utes!

  • Thin Blue Line ,
    Aug. 11, 2017 2:19 p.m.

    "He was suspended an entire year for drug test failure, which I assume in some states is now legal."

    Marijuana is illegal in all 50 states and it's territories. States can pass laws all they want, but the federal government still says marijuana is illegal to grow, sell and smoke. He may not have been in violation of Oregon State law, but he most certainly was in violation of federal law.

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 11, 2017 9:24 a.m.

    Uteology

    Memphis started the brawl in Miami by getting into the faces of BYU players on the sidelines.

    As far as Memphis's first brawl goes, who cares how many players were suspended, the point is, Memphis was involved in two brawls against two separate teams in the same season.

    And the common factor in those two brawls:

    Memphis!

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    Incidentally, an article on an Ole Miss blog, said this about scheduling:

    A relatively new ‘Power 5 requirement’ in the SEC means Ole Miss must play at least one team from the Big Ten, Big 12, ACC or Pac-12 each season. In other words, Ole Miss will be forced to play a neutral-site game annually or a road game semi-annually against a premier opponent.

    That leaves little wiggle room for a home-and-away series vs. Memphis after the current contract runs out.

    Interesting, since BYU has been recognized by the SEC as a premier opponent that can fulfill that "Power 5 requirement" - see BYU's home-and-home with Miss St last year and this year, and BYU's neutral-site game with LSU this year.

  • ND95CA Lincoln Park, IL
    Aug. 11, 2017 8:37 a.m.

    Darren Carrington timeline

    July 1 - Charged with DUI
    July 14 - Dismissed from Oregon
    July 22 - Carrington's father confirms via email that his son visited Utah's campus
    July 25 - Pledged to join the Utes as a graduate transfer

    It's quite obvious that the Utes couldn't care less about Carrington's past offenses.

    As long as Darren can catch a football, that's all Utah cares about.

  • bemorefair Villanueva, NM
    Aug. 11, 2017 8:30 a.m.

    Ute fan logic.

    Forgive Carrington in perpetuity for multiple offenses and felonies (obviously because he will help the team, but we'll say it's because it's for altruistic reasons).

    But the BYU player that threw a punch in the heat of battle when he had control of a fumble and the player came and speared him after he had secured the ball? Ooooh, so dirty. Never forgive. Never forget.

    Silly Utes!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 11, 2017 8:30 a.m.

    deductive reasoning - Arlington, VA
    Aug. 10, 2017 8:36 p.m.
    @phoenix: "The Miami Brawl was the SECOND brawl Memphis had been involved in

    in the same season."

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    @uteology: "Really? Against what team..."

    Ole Miss vs Memphis 2014

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    And 2nd part of the question was who was suspended from the Memphis AND Ole Miss?

    The major brawl was in Miami started by BYU, just because Ole Miss started a brawl in the same season does not get BYU off the hook from throwing cheapshots.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 11, 2017 8:25 a.m.

    @Whoo
    Doug is saying that Carrington isn't receiving any consequences for his actions.

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    He got kicked off a team.

    He was suspended an entire year for drug test failure, which I assume in some states is now legal.

    Doug, like most BYU fans, sit in judgment of others. Thats what they do.

  • Whatsnu Sandy, UT
    Aug. 11, 2017 8:18 a.m.

    Uteology

    It's interesting that you don't seem to have any difficulty researching a BYU player from 30 years ago,

    but you seem incapable of researching Memphis's first brawl of the 2014 season.

    btw, I also don't have a problem with players being given 2nd and 3rd chances.

    What I do have a problem with is a player being given multiple chances without the player being required to do ANYTHING to earn those chances, as is obviously the case with Whittingham welcoming Carrington with open arms immediately after he was booted off Oregon's team.

    Van Noy was required wait an entire year after one DUI and to prove through his actions that he had earned a second chance to join BYU .

    Carrington was practicing with Utah three weeks after being kicked off the Oregon team for a DUI, and that was after multiple other criminal offenses.

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    Aug. 10, 2017 8:36 p.m.

    @phoenix: "The Miami Brawl was the SECOND brawl Memphis had been involved in

    in the same season."

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    @uteology: "Really? Against what team..."

    Ole Miss vs Memphis 2014

  • Cosmo1974 Woods Cross, UT
    Aug. 10, 2017 8:26 p.m.

    As I stated before, I don't think Coach Whitt would have taken a chance on Carrington if he wasn't as talented as he appears to be. That's why I think people are upset with the decision to bring him in. Also, it's why I think people are saying Utah seems to have a "win at all costs" mentality. If he was just some "average" player, there is no way Utah would have given him another "second chance." On a different note, I don't think you can compare Carrington's situation with Jimmer not going on a mission. Yes, they're both good athletes, but choosing whether or not to serve a mission is an extremely personal decision. It doesn't matter how good the athlete is, it is not the same thing as being brought onto one team after being dismissed from another for various legal issues.

  • killarney Lincoln Park, IL
    Aug. 10, 2017 7:42 p.m.

    KH

    "Just because BYU can't beat Utah,.."

    Your BYU-hating obsession is showing.

    Beating BYU is quite obviously THE most important achievement Utah has accomplished since joining the PAC 12.

    The evidence is overwhelming:

    Utah fans post about Utah's record versus BYU more often than any other Utah accomplishment...

    by far!

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    Aug. 10, 2017 7:17 p.m.

    Uteology

    What team?

    Do your own research; there's even a video of the previous Memphis brawl?

    BYU didn't immediately announce all of the suspensions and disciplinary actions, but after thoroughly reviewing the brawl, multiple players were suspended and/or disciplined.

    It's interesting how "concerned" you and other Utah fans are about BYU's disciplinary actions,

    when U obviously couldn't care less about Utah ever disciplining any Utah player, regardless of how serious the offense.

    btw, you can find plenty of "evidence" of BYU's disciplinary actions on the web, if you're really interested.

  • ResidentUtah Draper, UT
    Aug. 10, 2017 6:31 p.m.

    How many of us have worked our hearts out at something and watched someone else do it better and take our promotion or job? It's not about the teammates in line waiting to move up a string, it's always "best one wins." We all work hard and we all make mistakes. We can't force Carrington to make better choices, that's his call. He will suffer consequences for his actions good or bad, like all of us. Utah wants the best players, same w BYU. Doug wants to be the best writer so he creates controversial topics. Brilliant. FB coaches are brilliant, and if someone is more brilliant, they'll take their place. Such is life. How can you guys get mad at the U for focusing on greatness instead of failure? Aren't we supposed to see the greatness in everyone?

  • Woohoo Somewhere, ID
    Aug. 10, 2017 5:57 p.m.

    @Moose

    "Doug Robinson did not take issue with BYU bringing back Sione Takitaki a third time after getting kicked out for theft and other issues. I don't recall Doug Robinson having a problem with Kyle Van Noy when BYU brought him in after a highly publicized DUI."

    Apples to Oranges man. Van Noy had to sit out a year for his DUI or did you miss that? The same more or less applies to Takitaki. Takitaki had to miss the rest of the season for his issues.

    Doug is saying that Carrington isn't receiving any consequences for his actions.

  • Sparkley Briefs New York, NY
    Aug. 10, 2017 4:33 p.m.

    Would it not be total awesomeness if Carrington had a huge day in Provo?

  • KH Holladay, UT
    Aug. 10, 2017 1:03 p.m.

    Thanks for proving my point Lonestar!

    Just because byu can't beat Utah, and Utah has finished ranked 3 years in a row, doesn't mean Utah is obsessed with winning at all costs.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    Aug. 10, 2017 1:02 p.m.

    So, if this guy has a "degree" and was only playing out his 4th year, if he's that good, why didn't he just declare for the NFL draft and go there. What would one more year of college football do for him? The U took a gamble, let's see if it bites them in the bummy. Way to go Whit. Bringing in a disruptive force. It will make for some great team cohesion.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 10, 2017 12:32 p.m.

    Ufan "WOW! Talk about over-reaching for a comparison."
    Is it really?

    Athletes are role models. Parents are asked to explain their behavior.

    A kid might ask "That player was in trouble with the law. Why is he on the field?"
    Another might ask "That player should be on a mission. Why is he on the field?"

    Both questions put parents in a bind. They don't want to say "because they are good athletes" even if that is the truth of it.

    They say something like "everyone deserves a second chance", even though not everyone gets a second chance. Or they say "basketball IS his mission" even though some basketball players serve a full mission in the field.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 10, 2017 12:27 p.m.

    phoenix - Gilbert, AZ
    Aug. 10, 2017 10:15 a.m.
    Uteology

    "After the Miami Brawl, Memphis suspended 18 players..."

    Do a little research.

    The Miami Brawl was the SECOND brawl Memphis had been involved in

    in the same season.

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    Really? Against what team, and how many players were suspended by both teams.

    FYI your player on his "third chance" was found gulity of a crime.

    I have no problem with either player getting multiple mulligans, hopefully both will be better men in the future.

  • Ufan Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 10, 2017 11:45 a.m.

    SoonerUte

    "Carrington gets another chance for the same reason Jimmer didn't take a mission -- they're good athletes. Fans give a free pass to those that help the team win."

    WOW!

    Talk about over-reaching for a comparison.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 10, 2017 11:42 a.m.

    KH

    I personally think it's funny that when Utah entered the PAC 12,

    Ute fans were bragging about how often Utah would be playing in the Rose Bowl,

    yet, here we are, 7 years later,

    and Utah is still the ONLY team in the PAC 12 South,

    that hasn't even made it to the CCG.

    Welcoming, with open arms, a transfer player with so much baggage,

    simply shows how desperate the Utes have become,

    to win,

    especially something meaningful,

    like a division title.

    Blame the scrutiny on BYU fans.

    Spin it however helps U sleep at night.

    But, that's the bottom line here.

    Utah has become obsessed with winning,

    at all costs!

  • Mr. Caveman Omaha, NE
    Aug. 10, 2017 11:41 a.m.

    I'm truly shocked at the welcome he's getting. Let's look at the facts about him:
    Before the 2015 NC game, he was suspended for the game for testing drug positive. That led him to miss half of the 2015 season.
    2 years later, July 2017, he gets a DUI and Oregon had enough and dismissed him.

    Other allegations have been at least two other drug issues, three traffic violations, and a fight where he broke a UO alum's arm.

    That's two years of poor behavior!

    Yet he deserves a second chance?! You've got to be kidding! He had too many chances. Now Salt Lake WANTS this person there. Unbelievable!

    Last year, he only had five games receiving over 50 yards. Putting him in an offense with so many new players screams one thing: desperate.

    It's clear coaches are not confident in this offense at all when they have to find a character like this to join the team.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 10, 2017 10:40 a.m.

    Carrington gets another chance for the same reason Jimmer didn't take a mission -- they're good athletes. Fans give a free pass to those that help the team win.

  • KH Holladay, UT
    Aug. 10, 2017 10:21 a.m.

    I personally think it's funny that when Utah entered the PAC 12 and struggled the first couple of years, all we heard from byu fans is:

    "U will never be successful in the PAC 12"
    "PAC 12 bottom feeder"
    "Go back to the MWC, U can't hang in the PAC"
    "U will never go to a bowl game"

    Now, after 3 successful years in the PAC 12, being ranked in the Top 25 each year byu fans have changed their tune to:

    "U have a win at all costs mentality"
    "All Utah fans care about is winning"
    "Utah fans value winner over building character"

    Just my observation.

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    Aug. 10, 2017 10:18 a.m.

    Uteology

    "Utah canceled the series against BYU, beating isn't that important."

    LOL at your revisionist history.

    Utah has never cancelled a football game with BYU because of an on-field incident.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Aug. 10, 2017 10:15 a.m.

    Uteology

    "After the Miami Brawl, Memphis suspended 18 players..."

    Do a little research.

    The Miami Brawl was the SECOND brawl Memphis had been involved in

    in the same season.

    As far as BYU suspensions, you don't have a clue what you're talking about, because there were multiple BYU players disciplined and suspended,

    but NONE of them were 2nd-, 3rd- and 4th-time offenders, and,

    unlike Carrington, NONE of them were charge with criminal offenses.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Aug. 10, 2017 10:07 a.m.

    Uteology

    "After the Miami Brawl, Memphis suspended 18 players, BYU one.

    Only BYU sits in judgement of others while giving lip service."

    How do you know what disciplinary measures were taken against BYU players involved in the brawl?

    and, more to the point,

    How many of those players were charged with CRIMINAL offenses because of the brawl and continued having repeat offenses, even after being multiple second chances?

    Your desperate attempt to equate the vastly different situations is absolutely hilarious.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 10, 2017 9:30 a.m.

    H-man - Shreveport, LA
    Aug. 9, 2017 11:22 p.m.
    One of Doug Robinson's points is that the attitude that winning is all that matters reveals the hypocrisy that has taken over college football. All these Ute fans defending Carrington and Coach Whittington (while bashing BYU in the process) reveal the truth of that claim. You can protest that Doug Robinson is biased because he didn't include any BYU examples all you want, but face it Utes--all you care about is winning (especially against BYU) and that reveals YOUR hypocrisy.

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    Utah canceled the series against BYU, beating isn't that important.

    Winnng is all that matters? Didn't BYU back-door the MWC for the WAC for money?

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 10, 2017 9:01 a.m.

    @talking

    Unlike at the U, BYU requires players to EARN a second chance, but requiring them to demonstrate adherence, over an extended period of time, to requirements specifically designed for their situation,

    basically, to show that they've "learned their lesson",

    BEFORE they are allowed to rejoin the team.

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    After the Miami Brawl, Memphis suspended 18 players, BYU one.

    Only BYU sits in judgement of others while giving lip service.

    That fact that Alabama was metioned in the article about Utah but BYU with a player on his "third chance" wasn't furthers that point.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Aug. 10, 2017 9:00 a.m.

    JohnInSLC

    Utah fans seem determined to reinforce the "win at all costs" mentality that now pervades the U.

  • TroyTown Anaheim, CA
    Aug. 10, 2017 8:39 a.m.

    Oregon dismissed Carrington from the team THREE WEEKS ago,
    after he was arrested for a DUI...

    after previously

    - being suspended for failing a drug test
    - being cited for having an open container of alcohol
    - being accused of pushing a man to the ground and breaking his arm

    (but, that was simply case of mistaken identity — he thought the man was someone else he "had an issue with;" in other words, he didn’t mean to beat up this man, he meant to beat up someone else!)

    So the DUI arrest was one offense too many for Oregon’s new coach, Willie Taggart, and he gave Carrington the boot. That alone ought to tell you about the serious baggage this guy carries because college coaches overlook a lot of sins to have such players on their teams

    Now he’s a Ute.

    And Utah fans on this blog have proven that they couldn't care less about his baggage, as long as he can help the Utes win football games.

  • Jb531105 Sandy, UT
    Aug. 10, 2017 7:51 a.m.

    Good luck with DC Ute's....very talented player. Just hasn't displayed very good judgement for the opportunities he has within his grasp. Hated to see him leave the Duck's (because he can play) but Willie Taggert is cleaning house and that's just how it has to be.
    Let's see what happens....

  • TaoJones Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 10, 2017 7:22 a.m.

    The kid deserves another chance on the football field. He’s a unique talent with a background of bad judgement, but let him try to salvage himself by doing something he does really, really well. Another chance with the Utes could embarrass the Utes or could help their season. The risk/reward is pretty clear for the team. The risk/reward for the kid is huge, I hope he does well.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 10, 2017 7:08 a.m.

    Cougsndawgs:

    It seems you are the exception here. Every other BYU-P fan seems determined to reinforce the holier-than-thou perception.

    Well done!

  • H-man Shreveport, LA
    Aug. 9, 2017 11:22 p.m.

    One of Doug Robinson's points is that the attitude that winning is all that matters reveals the hypocrisy that has taken over college football. All these Ute fans defending Carrington and Coach Whittington (while bashing BYU in the process) reveal the truth of that claim. You can protest that Doug Robinson is biased because he didn't include any BYU examples all you want, but face it Utes--all you care about is winning (especially against BYU) and that reveals YOUR hypocrisy.

    And the fact that you can't see the difference between the Carrington situation and your attempt to equate it with a few cases affecting a BYU player reveals not only your hypocrisy but a willful disregard for the evidence in each case.

  • Cosmo1974 Woods Cross, UT
    Aug. 9, 2017 10:31 p.m.

    I have a question. It's something I heard on the radio earlier today. My question is this....Would Coach Whittingham have given Mr. Carrington a "second chance" if he wasn't a great receiver? What if he was just a second or third string player? To me, it seems that this is what is bothering many people. Darren Carrington appears to have been brought in because he has the skills. If he was anything less, I don't think he would be on Utah's roster. Hopefully he has changed. Only time will tell.

  • Johnny Triumph Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 9, 2017 10:00 p.m.

    @irieute - So you're saying an employer shouldn't check into why a potential employee was fired from his last job. Makes sense. Your logic would mean no need for any kind of registered offender lists as well. It clearly makes sense for a new team to check into the background of a new player since that player will represent not just the team but the whole university. Anything otherwise is a lack of judgement and, at any other kind of employer, be grounds for some kind of official review. But then the U seems to not care about perception and image, only winning matters now.

  • Lone*Star Austin, TX
    Aug. 9, 2017 9:29 p.m.

    ekute

    "Kids love to dig up dirt and play in it..."

    Kids on the hill love to dump dirt all over themselves,

    and then whine about anybody who notices that they're dirty.

    It's ironic that the school that copied the "U" sign from the "U", is now trying to emulate their "convicts and criminals" recruiting standard.

  • SIMPLICITY Denver, CO
    Aug. 9, 2017 9:18 p.m.

    Poor Mr Robinson, bitter and disingenuous. Objectivity has escaped you.

    Every team looks for opportunity to improve their team, even byu.

    Six in a row and counting...

  • gonefishn Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 9, 2017 8:41 p.m.

    Robinson's article makes zero sense to me.
    1) Robinson's claim that DCII playing at the U represents the destruction of the student athlete "myth" is undercut by the fact this kid went to school and graduated early. Even with his troubles and the rigors of playing D1 sports, he actually showed up and put in the school work to graduate. It does not seem like a myth DCII
    2) If Robinson has such a problem with DCII playing at Utah right away his issue should be with the graduate transfer rule.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Aug. 9, 2017 8:19 p.m.

    everything is awesome,
    Kids love to dig up dirt and play in it...literally...but not in in the way that some do when it comes to Utah Sports.

  • Hey Baby Franklin, IN
    Aug. 9, 2017 8:00 p.m.

    two words sum up this article:

    Doug Harmon

    Rise now. you can shout later.

  • positivethinker Magna, UT
    Aug. 9, 2017 7:57 p.m.

    Just because Doug Robinson is writing negative comments about the former National coach of the year concerning this issue, doesn't mean a thing to me. Doug can write whatever he wants, but it doesn't bother me one bit that a coach disciplines his players or brings players in to play on his team's, as he sees fit. Many coaches and sports writer's have spoken very highly of coach Whittingham, and to see how he has worked with players that have made mistakes, and helped them through their mistakes, and helped to make them better people, is something I admire. I'm so honored by the people in my 64 years of life who have helped my through my mistakes, I am honored to have such a great coach to instill high character values into his players. When have you ever heard of a former player for coach Whittingham ever speak unkind words about him? Whittingham is not perfect. I've heard him man up to his mistakes. This is not a perfect world. I'm happy that Whittingham has given this player a strict set of guidelines to follow, so this player, and others that came before him, and are certain to come after him, have a chance to redeem themselves in this imperfect world.

  • Austin Coug Pflugerville, TX
    Aug. 9, 2017 7:08 p.m.

    @KH

    Do you really think how schools handled discipline 30+ years ago is relevant to this situation today? Come on. Read more below and you can read that Trevor was a great athlete and was kicked off the team for his illegal actions. You obviously missed my point and put together a strawman about records....not players.

    Back to 2017. This story is an opinion about the state of athletics today and how if you are good enough you will possibly get a 2nd chance...and a 3rd....and a 4th, no matter your character. Listen, i hope for the best for this kid. Nothing against him, but Utah is taking a risk. Would be interesting to hear what the other WR's think of this move....especially those who will be losing playing time. Nick Saban has had six players arrested seven times for DUI in the last four years. At least half played in their season openers. Should Carrington play in the opener? Will be interesting to see what message Kyle sends. In my opinion, too many coaches are giving players passes for something as serious as a DUI. In Utah's case, isn't one of it's core values "No DUI's"? I just think it sends a confusing message across the CFB landscape.

  • everything is awesome Cedar City, UT
    Aug. 9, 2017 6:33 p.m.

    ekute

    Are you really that naive?

    "Won't know unless you tell them?"

    LOL

  • JustGordon Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 9, 2017 5:58 p.m.

    Robinson should have entitled his story "Carrington: He's Expendable!"

    This is, in my opinion, a hatch job on this young man and the UTAH program. A program which has had a good deal of success taking young men who have made mistakes and building them into good citizens and even better football players. Robinson's only example is a case that wasn't a 100% success, he'd have you believe it was a failure. Such either or scenarios are not fair to either the young man or the University. There are numerous other cases that Robinson has conveniently forgotten because they don't fit his scenario.

    Carrington is still a student athlete, even though Robinson suggests otherwise. Carrington already has one degree and is working on another. If that doesn't make Carrington a student to Robinson, then I suggest your reporter get a new dictionary.

    Why hasn't Robinson raised this issue with Takitaki or Van Noy, both Cougars?

  • Laxman taylorsville, UT
    Aug. 9, 2017 5:55 p.m.

    It is very disturbing that the Dnews would allow this type of negative article. I am a member of the LDS Church and I believe that we can change and correct our misdeeds. This young man deserves another chance. How many chances did LaVell Edwards give Jim McMann?

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Aug. 9, 2017 5:26 p.m.

    Justice is in the process through the legal system. The kids will see a very good football player that is helping Utah succeed. They won't know of his background or that he has reformed... unless you tell them.

  • IrieUte west valley, UT
    Aug. 9, 2017 5:26 p.m.

    Carrington did not break any rules as a Ute. Why should Utah punish him until he does? You consider the athlete like anyone you want to bring on to help your cause, in any activity in life. Risk vs reward.

  • ShellBelle Pleasant Grove, UT
    Aug. 9, 2017 4:54 p.m.

    I'm not a fan of any sports team, just an ordinary tax paying Utahn. It makes me physically sick that my tax dollars go to support a university that selects students with multiple DUIs to represent us. A single DUI says "I value the lives of every other person around me less than the cost of cab fare." Bringing a player like Carrington on our football team says "We don't care about the lives of Utah's citizens. Winning is the only thing." Evidently our flagship university cares nothing about public health and safety. Evidently no one has notified the U's administration that thousands of our children idolize and adore U of U football players, and they haven't bothered to consider the message those kids get when they offer scholarships to people who belong in jail. Pathetic, disgusting and immoral.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    Aug. 9, 2017 4:53 p.m.

    Watching the ute faithful spin this fiasco into something positive is delightful and entertaining. Face reality - Whittingham sold out.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Aug. 9, 2017 4:51 p.m.

    It's interesting to note, per Scout, byu has to date 20 commits w/a 2.55 star avg....Last year they accepted 23 commits w/a 2.71 star avg.

    What was that about "the Kalani effect"?

    Yet again, mired in their annual 2 star bonanza.

    Midmajor forever.

    Go Utes!

  • JSKM1232 Sandy, UT
    Aug. 9, 2017 4:29 p.m.

    When Carrington II catches the winning touchdown against the Y then the screaming will really commence.

  • duck Saint George, UT
    Aug. 9, 2017 4:26 p.m.

    I'm not entirely surprised because of the athleticism of the guy, but I'm let down by this action. I would have thought Utah coaches could find someone with more character to fill the bill. Oregon apparently could. And, those who would argue this guy has character are deceiving themselves. So, to me, Oregon stands much taller than Utah in this matter and I hope the rest of the country sees this whole thing in that light. Winning isn't everything and neither is having a superb athlete who undermines the school's integrity.

  • loganma14 Orem, UT
    Aug. 9, 2017 4:16 p.m.

    Mr. Robinson,
    This is the final straw for you in exploding the "student-athlete" myth? You can't be serious. Have you heard about the massive academic fraud at North Carolina that was exposed by Rashad McCants?

    This article is the most ridiculous thing I have heard this last month, and remember, Anthony Scaramucci was going wild in the last 30 days. The grad transfer rule, the one and done phenomenon, coaches bouncing to new schools leaving kids they recruited not to mention the obscene salaries being pulled down by football and basketball coaches are all part of the problem. College sports are minor leagues for the pros, at best, and cash machines, at worst. If a student actually does get an education (and UNC has proven that graduation means nothing), it is because the student is intrinsically motivated and avoids the classes other athletes use to stay eligible.

    The student part of "student-athlete" left the building long ago. Carrington, LJ Rose and others were created by the NCAA and exploited by the member schools. Coach Whit (and most other coaches) have million dollar contracts to protect and winning is the only way to keep them. You didn't know this? #clueless

  • Wookie Omaha, NE
    Aug. 9, 2017 4:08 p.m.

    The Truth

    Isn't there scripture that talks about if you are sinless go ahead and toss a stone? Is there another scripture that talks about the only one who is qualified to judge others is the Lord Himself? So, what is the point of this article? To claim that because a team seeks to include a player and in the process giving him a second/third/fourth chance is only because the coach cares about wins? How does one know what goes on in the mind of a coach who works with young men, many from troubled pasts, and sees them go onto greatness? I would be willing to argue that the number of people helped by sports programs far outweighs the environment they come from. Mr. Robinson, who are you to judge these coaches and young men they coach? Have you come from projects, or gang riddled neighborhoods? Have you been faced with racism and ignorance? Have you stepped into the shoes of those you have just judged? Before you print such rubbish as your article is, take a step back and practice what you preach. Not every football player comes form an LDS family and plays for BYU. There are many walks of life outside of Utah.

  • KH Holladay, UT
    Aug. 9, 2017 3:54 p.m.

    "@VegasUte - you seriously brought up a BYU player from 30+ years ago? lol."

    Austin Coug,

    Ridiculous, right? Bringing up something that happened over 30 years ago?

    Oh wait...I guess it's only ridiculous to bring up something that happened 30+ years ago if it's negative. Because everyone who reads Dnews comments knows that the first thing byu fans bring up to feel revelant is....successes of 30+ years ago.

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    Aug. 9, 2017 3:51 p.m.

    KimmyP

    "If Carrington had chosen the team in Provo..."

    You can stop there, because there's no way Carrington would have ever been allowed to enroll at BYU, let alone been invited to join the football team, without a long period of "rehabilitation".

    Players that were already on BYU's football have been booted off the team for far less serious issues than Carrington has had, with no indication that he has cleaned up his act.

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    Aug. 9, 2017 3:41 p.m.

    VegasUte

    "Doug: Research Trevor Molini and get back to us."

    Molini, 22, was expelled from BYU after pleading guilty for the second time within a year to a prescription drug charge in Provo, Utah,

    an addiction that he developed from taking pain medication for injuries sustained while playing football.

    So, what's your point?

    That BYU, unlike Utah, is not afraid to discipline their players with harsh penalties, including expulsion from BYU, after giving them a "second chance".

    So, how is Molini's situation comparable to Utah inviting a player with MULTIPLE serious issues to join their team, after his previous team had given him the boot because they could no longer tolerate his antics?

  • Johnny Triumph Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 9, 2017 3:36 p.m.

    Any last shreds of respect I had for KWhitt went out the window with all of this. The U knows it has no future major success in the PAC and is taking chances on the cast-offs like this. The trend will continue into the future.

    What I'd like to know is this. Why does the Coach have control over his team, the control needed to make such a poor decision as this? Shouldn't the University have a say in who plays on the flagship athletic team? The team that visibly represents the school on a national stage? Bringing in tainted goods will only tarnish the school as a whole, and the U has a lot going for it. Why would the U leadership allow this to happen? I'm stunned. Second chances are made for a first time indiscretion, not for repeated failures of an athlete.

  • Austin Coug Pflugerville, TX
    Aug. 9, 2017 3:05 p.m.

    BYU players were likely not part of the article because BYU hasn't picked up a controversial transfer student like Carrington with a checkered past of off-field problems. However, BYU has certainly had there share of athletes that have gotten in trouble with the law as students. In many cases, these athletes had to sit out multiple games if not a full season (Takitaki). Van Noy's situation was different as he wasn't even a student yet. However, he was given the option to sit out a year or go elsewhere after his DUI. Ultimately, the BYU consequences were pretty severe and that has been there standard. Listen, I don't expect Utah or other colleges to have similar consequences to BYU for their athletes that get in trouble with the law. However, I do think Utah is wrong on this one to give the guy a clean plate as he will likely be playing in the first game. When any school does this, the message heard is skill is more important than character. I think that is what Doug is calling out.

    @VegasUte - you seriously brought up a BYU player from 30+ years ago? lol.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Aug. 9, 2017 3:03 p.m.

    The envy/angst of byu fans knowing we received a player they would've welcomed w/open arms, were he interested in small-ball, & the palpable fear they're displaying at the mere thought of having to face him on the field.

    Absolutely love it.

    Midmajor forever.

    Go Utes!

  • KimmyP Grantsville, UT
    Aug. 9, 2017 2:58 p.m.

    Articles like this are so good at differentiating between a tds fan, and a Ute fan. And, also clearly identifies the team the author supports.

    The distinguishing factor is the level of hypocrisy displayed by each fan base, and we all know who holds that distinction, don't we byu?

    If Carrington had chosen the team in Provo it would have been due to the "experience one can only get in Provo". But, since he chose Big Brother, it's considered an outrage by those in happy valley. 🤢

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Aug. 9, 2017 2:54 p.m.

    Henry Drummond

    "Nice try Doug, but I don't think anyone is buying your argument. Can't help but notice that BYU didn't appear in your article anywhere."

    And why should BYU appear in an article about a troubled athlete being kicked out of Oregon and then being welcomed at Utah with open arms?

    Nice try at deflection, Henry.

    There is no argument to be made; the facts speak for themselves.

  • killarney Lincoln Park, IL
    Aug. 9, 2017 2:42 p.m.

    The list of offenses is so long...

    "Besides the DUI charge, Carrington has collected a list of off-field offenses. NBC Sports reported that he has previously been

    - suspended for failing a drug test, and that he was
    - cited for having an open container of alcohol.
    - He also was accused of pushing a man to the ground and breaking his arm
    - (it was reportedly a simple case of mistaken identity
    - he thought the man was someone else he “had an issue with;”
    - in other words, he didn’t mean to beat up this man,
    - he meant to beat up someone else!)."

    that even crimson goggles wearing Utah fans saw the futility of trying to defend them all,

    so the only alternative was to blame someone else:

    - the DN
    - the writer of the article
    - NBC for publishing the list of offenses
    - BYU
    - BYU fans

    ANYBODY,

    except Utah and their beloved coach who was simply being "magnanimous" in giving the kid a "second chance"

    despite the fact, that he's already been given second, third, and fourth chances

    from which he obviously didn't learn a thing,

    except

    there are no consequences,

    as long as you're a star football player.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Aug. 9, 2017 2:32 p.m.

    @Mr. Caveman:

    "Another thought. So a player decides to transfer for any reason and has to wait a year to play in the same division."

    Think again. In the PAC, if a player wants to transfer within the PAC, he essentially loses two years - redshirts one year and loses one year of eligibility (see Kylie Fitts - from UCLA to Utah). This rule does NOT apply to senior transfers who have already graduated from a school, as long as the school he is transferring from releases him to the new school (see Stevie T - went from Utah to U$C).

    This brings up a point you Utah bashers refuse to see - Carrington has already earned his degree. He is not some schlub passing time until draft day. That is the only way he could have made the transfer to Utah.

    @BobbyPaluga:

    "It seems to sent them packing for Provo"

    You are correct. There are players who know they are not good enough to crack the rotation at the U, then transfer to lesser programs to get play time. It happens at all the good programs.

    Thanks for that observation!

    Go Utes!

    Onward

    In Whitt we trust

  • Idaho forever South Jordan, UT
    Aug. 9, 2017 2:30 p.m.

    Far be it for me to excuse bad or criminal behavior........but if CarringtonII catches the winning touchdown on Sept 9......I might just have to cut him some slack..........

  • rslutefan Gilbert, AZ
    Aug. 9, 2017 2:29 p.m.

    As a die hard Utes fan, my problem with this is why we are calling this a "second chance." I think Utah should have avoided Carrington. If it's your own player already on your roster and there is an opportunity for second chances with your own guys - then great, we all make mistakes - usually more than just one, and there is an opportunity for redemption so be it. It's one thing to have someone get in trouble and another to bring in trouble. Coach Whitt and the University of Utah can operate as they see best until they ultimate answer to the taxpayers of Utah and the donors and students who fund it. But let's also not pretend that the oxymoronic term "student athlete" actually has any meaning anymore. College Football is the development league for the NFL and most major college sports are about economics. Having to go to school is the unfortunate consequence.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 9, 2017 2:28 p.m.

    Love the stone throwing from the glass house down south by blue-goggled fans who think their program is clean...

  • sportyguy sandy, UT
    Aug. 9, 2017 2:23 p.m.

    Those dirty filthy Utes they would do anything to win. They took a player who's had a few strikes and are allowing him to play on their team.

    Thank goodness BYU would never do anything like that. It's not like they have a starting LB in 2014 was suspended for fighting, 2015 convicted of two counts of theft, and then suspended AGAIN for violating team rules, wasn't allowed on the team for the entire 2016 season.

    Whew! Those win at any cost Utes!

  • AZ Ute Scottsdale, AZ
    Aug. 9, 2017 2:22 p.m.

    Alls I can say is if you can't beat eem, join eem.

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    Aug. 9, 2017 2:18 p.m.

    Ernest T. Bass

    "When BYU picks up a kid with a troubled past it's because they are magnanimous and wonderful at giving the kid another chance.

    When anyone else does it, it's because they're classless."

    Unlike at the U, BYU requires players to EARN a second chance, but requiring them to demonstrate adherence, over an extended period of time, to requirements specifically designed for their situation,

    basically, to show that they've "learned their lesson",

    BEFORE they are allowed to rejoin the team.

    That is quite obviously not the case with Carrington, who barely had time to clear out his locker at Oregon, before he was welcomed with open arms at the U.

  • Mr. Sean ABINGDON, VA
    Aug. 9, 2017 2:15 p.m.

    ute alumni - Salt Lake City, Utah

    How big is your group, seeing as you refer to yourselves as alumni? Are you speaking for the U of U Alumni Association? Or do you speak for a certain group of select alumni who attended the University of Utah?

  • SUNNY ALL DAY St George, UT
    Aug. 9, 2017 2:07 p.m.

    If there ever was any doubt that the DN functions as a byu-p surrogate...Doubt no more.

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    Aug. 9, 2017 2:04 p.m.

    utealumni - Missourians changed from what? Calling out 'hypocritical behavior' when we see it? No, we still do that.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 9, 2017 2:03 p.m.

    When byu picks up a kid with a troubled past it's because they are magnanimous and wonderful at giving the kid another chance.
    When anyone else does it, it's because they're classless. Did I get that right Doug?

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Aug. 9, 2017 1:41 p.m.

    The concept of student athlete disappeared years ago. If it was still alive, our season tickets would be $100 instead of $500.

  • Whatsnu Sandy, UT
    Aug. 9, 2017 1:40 p.m.

    What a shock!

    Utah fans living in denial and playing the

    "shoot the messenger" and "but, everyone else is doing it" cards,

    to justify the Utes taking ANY ATHLETE,

    regardless of their baggage,

    as long as they can help the Utes win football games.

    The fact that Oregon was so fed up with his law-breaking antics, that they finally dismissed him from their team,

    doesn't bother Utah at all.

    Don't kid yourself Utah fans,

    this has absolutely NOTHING to do with Coach Whit giving the kid a "second chance".

  • quacker backer Layton, UT
    Aug. 9, 2017 1:35 p.m.

    Make no mistake about it, Carrington would still be a Duck if (1) Oregon didn't have a wealth of talented WR's, and (2) Taggart is trying to clean up the culture of Duck football.

    If Taggart was in his 12th year of coaching like Coach Whittingham he'd have more leeway.

  • TAS Tehachapi, CA
    Aug. 9, 2017 1:25 p.m.

    College football has become a joke, these guys are not at the university for an education, they are there in hopes they can play on a NFL team. All major college football teams are part of an unpaid NFL farm system. Limit membership on the team to those who are serious about getting an education. The football teams of Schools like Oregon and Utah do not reflect the demographics of the general student bodies. The football team members are largely athletes who don't even come from the state that supports the school for the benefit of the states residents.

  • Mr. Sean ABINGDON, VA
    Aug. 9, 2017 1:23 p.m.

    ute alumni-MI is actually the abbreviation for Michigan, not Missouri. Good call!

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Aug. 9, 2017 1:20 p.m.

    I've said this before, and I'll say it again. It is hard to find anyone in sports with more integrity than Coach Whitt (the exact reason byu wanted to hire him - twice!). He obviously knows more about this situation than anyone commenting on it, including Doug Robinson. I respect Coach Whitt and his decisions. EVERY coach runs into situations where they have to make judgement calls - including byu coaches. Don't pretend that these situations don't arise at byu. I respect most coaches that have to make these kind of decisions. I respected Lavell when he chose to bring back Molini - even though it turned out horribly wrong.

    I will give Coach Whitt the benefit of the doubt. If he had chosen to not bring in Carrington, I would have respected that also. He knows infinitely more about this situation than I do. So, all you Utah-haters can judge and throw mud, whatever makes you happy. Just don't pretend that things do not happen at your school just because it is private and handles everything "in house".

    Carry on folks!

    Football is here shortly!

    Go Utes!

  • Mr. Sean ABINGDON, VA
    Aug. 9, 2017 1:09 p.m.

    JSKM1232...Takitaki is probably a poor example to cite. He didn't get a mere "slap on the hand". He has been away from the game of football for nearly two years for an offense that didn't put anyone's life at risk (unlike DUI).

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Aug. 9, 2017 1:07 p.m.

    Nice try Doug, but I don't think anyone is buying your argument. Can't help but notice that BYU didn't appear in your article anywhere. I'm sure that was just an oversight.

  • Kralon HUNTINGTON BEACH, CA
    Aug. 9, 2017 1:05 p.m.

    I have to agree that Carrington should likely have another chance, but only after he has received some minor punishment, like sitting out and entire season with no further offenses.

    It would be best for Carrington and for the Utes.

  • Blue Collar Huntington, UT
    Aug. 9, 2017 12:42 p.m.

    Ouch!

  • Sanefan Wellsville, UT
    Aug. 9, 2017 12:29 p.m.

    Thank you Ute fans for bringing up misdeeds of BYU players, because once you do a fact check, you make Doug's point very poignantly. BYU disciplines their player and often for offenses to the Honor code that would be ignored at any other school; Utah, at least in this case is putting winning before their integrity and more importantly giving this guy at a learning opportunity.

  • ute alumni Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 9, 2017 12:25 p.m.

    At long last
    Good to see Missourians haven't changed.

  • Vermonter Plymouth, MI
    Aug. 9, 2017 12:23 p.m.

    Either Whittingham did not know about all the past offenses (not likely) or there are other mitigating circumstances. Can't see Whittingham doing something to hurt the young men he has charge over by bringing in a multiple-offender-ringer who does not really deserve another chance.

    But, I must agree with Mr. Caveman. Carrington is dismissed from the team for illegal activity and gets to play right away at the U of U. Another player transfers from one school to another and must sit out for a year depending on how bad he upset the coaching staff at his first school. The NCAA system is a bit messed up.

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 9, 2017 12:06 p.m.

    Irony: All the moralizing about giving second chances to athletes who don't deserve them are from people who likely voted for Donald Trump for President.

    Summary: Completely worthless hot air.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Aug. 9, 2017 11:50 a.m.

    Old But Not Informed:

    You obviously did not research the entire situation. He did not get hit over the head at a bar until after he had been kicked off the team, and out of school - for a SECOND time. Both off his dismissals were fort the same offenses. If he was a regular student at byu, he never would have been readmitted.

    A little knowledge goes a long way.

    Can't cherry pick your way out of this one.

  • london_josh lincoln, CA
    Aug. 9, 2017 11:36 a.m.

    Van Noy faced his issues before he was a student and had to give up a year of eligibility to play for BYU. Takitaki sat out last year.

    Mess up, pay a fine for your behavior - BYU absolutely does that - there are stories of guys escaping consequences, back in the days of Jimmy Mac it might have been so, but in the last few years the #3 BB team suspended a player and dropped down fast, Jamaal Williams sat out the season before last season. BYU isn't perfect, and the program isn't perfect, but they try.

    I was softer on this until I saw the updates about the other problems - it's a long list. Talented kid, but thus far he's proven himself as a liability off the field.

  • Link93 Idaho Falls, ID
    Aug. 9, 2017 11:29 a.m.

    Coach Whit and Utah can do whatever they want. Maybe we don't know the whole story.

    However those that bring up Van Noy or Takitaki as BYU examples not quite the same. Van Noy DUI was in high school and he was released from his LOI by Byu and if he wanted to still come he had to sit out a year. Also Takitaki was petty theft and he was suspended for a whole year. So don't make them out like they are the same punishments. When Utah starts suspending players for a year for similar offenses get back to me.

  • BobbyPaluga Austin, TX
    Aug. 9, 2017 11:20 a.m.

    "What does this do to the morale of players who have been working for months to earn their spot on the team — following rules, lifting weights, doing everything asked of them — and then a new guy shows up at camp and moves to the front of the line?"

    It seems to sent them packing for Provo

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    Aug. 9, 2017 11:17 a.m.

    Sorry utes - you get to eat this one. I'm sure that the ever-classy coach Whitt will make sure that this young student-athlete toes the line. Right.

  • Disgruntled Nephi, UT
    Aug. 9, 2017 11:11 a.m.

    The point Ute fans are missing here when comparing Carrington's situation with Takitaki and Van Noy is there are ZERO consequences for Carrington. Did Takitaki play last year? Did Van Noy come from his DUI arrest straight to BYU? Both had to go through suspensions and had to prove themselves. And Vegas Ute, what about Trevor Molini? Such a sad case of someone that had all the talent in the world, got into trouble and was expelled from BYU. Never played for anyone after that. Great comparison though.

  • CaliCougar American Fork, UT
    Aug. 9, 2017 11:12 a.m.

    Wow....some Utah fans are pretty sensitive I guess.

    It's just an article guys...

  • Stringer Bell Henderson, NV
    Aug. 9, 2017 11:03 a.m.

    Doug, time to get back to the real issues at your favorite school of an undersized OL that can't gain weight and a TE that's learning to catch a ball.

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    Aug. 9, 2017 11:02 a.m.

    Such a morally superior attitude by a DN Mormon writer. Hard to imagine - not!

  • Old But Not Stupid Moorpark, CA
    Aug. 9, 2017 10:55 a.m.

    @VegasUte - Las Vegas, NV
    Aug. 9, 2017 10:20 a.m.

    "Research Trevor Molini and get back to us."

    Took your advice....so you think getting bashed over the head while working as a bar Bouncer is the moral equivalent of the FIFTH chance Witt has granted Carrington??

    No wonder our nation is in such deep trouble.

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 9, 2017 10:45 a.m.

    Mr. Robinson, Any attempt at objectivity in writing would have also included in the story of Utah giving Josh Gordon a second chance only to have him not live up to conditions and thus never seeing the field at Utah. This, even when, he would have been Utah's best receiver. (Although he never played for Utah he went on to the NFL and is still playing there.)

  • Mr. Caveman Omaha, NE
    Aug. 9, 2017 10:41 a.m.

    Another thought. So a player decides to transfer for any reason and has to wait a year to play in the same division. A player breaks a major team rule and the NCAA approves that player to transfer to another team in the division?

    This is the same as a student wants to attend the school down the street and has to wait a year, but a bully hits someone and the superintendent sends him to the school down the street weeks later. Punish the good, reward the bad. Awful!

    Everything about this situation is wrong and ethically immoral.
    This is so messed up. The integrity of the school took a huge hit accepting this kid.

  • The Moose's Whistle Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 9, 2017 10:37 a.m.

    Doug Robinson did not take issue with BYU bringing back Sione Takitaki a third time after getting kicked out for theft and other issues. I don't recall Doug Robinson having a problem with Kyle Van Noy when BYU brought him in after a highly publicized DUI.

    Does Doug have a problem with all scholarship students that have misdemeanor charges brought against them? Or just Utah football players who are set to make a big difference on the team? Why aren't all students held to the same standard?

    Doug, why didn't you have a problem with Utah bringing in Garrett Bolles after all his problems? Are you more critical of black players? Sure looks like it.

  • But seriously folks! Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 9, 2017 10:32 a.m.

    Expelled for a DUI? Perfect fit for the u.

    And no EK. BYU fans are not nervous about the quality of the u program. It does not matter how good the receivers if you don't have a QB that can deliver the ball and an offensive line that cannot protect.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Aug. 9, 2017 10:20 a.m.

    Doug:

    Research Trevor Molini and get back to us.

  • Woodworker Highland, UT
    Aug. 9, 2017 10:02 a.m.

    Doug, I think this article is tough, but honestly to the point. When I had first heard of Mr. Carrington's recruitment by the Utes, I sided with giving Coach Whitt. the decisions about what was best for this young man, a decision coaches have to make all the time.
    But with this new information about multiple offenses, it seems faulty judgment to allow him to play football on your college team without a time of restitution and change. I believe he just had his plea in court several days ago! What this clearly says to Mr. Carrington, or to any player in a like situation, is that you can be above justice because you're "special." This always hurts a player, or any other individual, far more than it helps them.
    I want this young man to have a great life in the future, but this is not the best way to help him.
    There should be a standard for the players that matches the one for other students. Period.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 9, 2017 10:00 a.m.

    Ah, Doug. Your theme of "student-athlete" being nothing but a myth is so misplaced here. It has obviously escaped your notice that despite whatever else you say about DCII, he IS a student-athlete. He has his degree and is very athletic.

    Doug, you've failed Journalism 101.

  • p e RICHFIELD, UT
    Aug. 9, 2017 10:00 a.m.

    It couldn't be that Doug Robinson is trying to help Coach Whittingham and the U of U program, who we have all respected, come to their senses, could it? All of his points are spot on, for any university whose athletic programs are being sold out like this.
    Those of you who are trying to excuse this by saying everyone does it, please, you wake up too, and think about the inevitable end game. Think about how long, even you will be able to stomach the scandals in collegiate sports that will only increase with this attitude of leniency and tolerance.

  • CyCarloUte slc, UT
    Aug. 9, 2017 9:54 a.m.

    Robinson is correct but a bias journalist. You can make a list Carrington stories for every team: Alabama, Utah, Oregon, Utah St, byu. He sure makes you want to read the SLTribune, rather than DN.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Aug. 9, 2017 9:40 a.m.

    Doug, his local media cohorts and the rest of the the happy valley supporters are very worried about how good Utah could be with the addition of Carrington.

  • TFUDD SLC, UT
    Aug. 9, 2017 9:29 a.m.

    What a bash on the University of Utah football program and Darren Carrington. Can't believe you even considered writing this article. Should every team just not give him a chance then?

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Aug. 9, 2017 9:21 a.m.

    Doug, I completely agree with you that the terms "student-athlete" and "this guy deserves a second chance" are just myths to justify schools improving their talent...or how did you put it, solely "mercenary"?

    But since when is this news? This kind of duplicity has been going on for a very long time and it goes on EVERYWHERE, not just at Utah. I'm a BYU fan and everyone that sees my comments knows I have no problem ribbing the Utes and their fans, but this article seems a little disingenuous and designed to slam what is typically a pretty clean program under Kyle Whittingham. Is it about giving Carrington a second chance or education? Of course not, but when were you under the delusion that recruiting and/or "mercenary" moves were a new thing in today's competitive CFB landscape.

    So rant all you want about the corruption of CFB in such ways, because you are absolutely right. But throwing Utah under the bus just to serve your bias is beneath you...I like most of your articles. This one, not so much.

  • JSKM1232 Sandy, UT
    Aug. 9, 2017 9:20 a.m.

    Well Mr. Robinson, you mentioned all the troubled players at every school except BYU. Have there never been any at the Y? Remember Sione Takitaki?

  • Mr. Caveman Omaha, NE
    Aug. 9, 2017 9:18 a.m.

    T-Owens is available as well. He's also a top notch class. He was also given fourth chances. Can we get him on the team too?