S.L. County mayor's night in shelter fueled Draper mayor's compassion, then controversy

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  • Ed Cheeseman Draper, UT
    Aug. 14, 2017 10:40 a.m.

    You're missing the point. There may well be a place in Draper to help the homeless. The problem is, the way that Troy Walker went about it was simply wrong. He didn't ask the community what they wanted. Heck, he didn't even ask the full city council. He only asked some. If this was the first time that he went off on his own, it could be forgiven. But it isn’t – Troy Walker thinks he is the Emperor of Draper, and that the city should be subject to his whim. He’s done it before this, and if he is re-elected he’ll do it again. Despite his compassion, he’s a lousy mayor.

  • The True Open Minded Mormon Draper, UT
    Aug. 10, 2017 11:15 a.m.

    We don't need your prayers James Young. If you actually lived in the city you'd know that Draper takes care of it's own and many others all year round.

    This was a publicity stunt by a mayor who is full of himself. Nothing more, nothing less.

    Please go down to the roadhome in your SUV, have a few of the folks down there get in and you take them back to your home and take care of them.

    I pray that your heart will be softened to take them in so they won't suffer. If all the people like you would do that, there wouldn't be any homeless. Ready to step up?

  • James B. Young SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Aug. 10, 2017 8:07 a.m.

    Draper remains a great choice as part of the solution.

    We pray that God softens the hearts of the men and women and children of Draper to serve all of their brothers and sisters, particularly those who are suffering so terribly.

  • erikpeterhansen Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 9, 2017 10:14 p.m.

    We are in this supporting of our city (people not real estate) together. The rich help support those with less and those with less help support those with less, etc... That is a good society. We are supposed to concentrate our funds for the good of everyone... responsibly. That is part of capitalism. But there are comfortable people always complaining they have to pay some for others. Sorry... I guess the very rich could hope for Ann Rand's fantasy where they live in a bubble with nobody depending on them and everyone is able/healthy/wealthy.

  • Rebel ,
    Aug. 9, 2017 12:53 p.m.

    Why do we continue to reward people for making wrong choices, wrong choices and more wrong choices? In case you don't know we once had laws about loitering on pubic places and the handling of vagrants. If we still have those laws on the books, see that our public officials enforced them or replaced them with men and women who will. If not the law lets get them back and see that they are enforced I've spoken to my legislators about wasting the public funds in supporting such ridiculous programs and ask them to ceased immediately. Unfortunately a few of these people we call homeless should be placed in mental institutions called crazy houses in my youth, or jailed and made to work in public service. In my minds eye I can still see those work gangs and how I made sure I didn't do the things that would get me there. I see statements about Christ like love as the solution but I don't recall a single scripture about Christ supporting such action. We will never clean up these cesspools of human behavior, if we keep doing the stupid things our city & county leaders are doing.

  • SomeClarityPlease Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 8, 2017 9:05 p.m.

    @Abeille

    My comment, which I still stand by, was based on an enlightening article from 2012 entitled The Welfare State's Cost To American Taxpayers. This article also mentions that there are over 80 welfare programs out there. We can move the numbers around, but the fact remains that a tremendous amount of money is given in welfare. It is bothersome that people that are already giving so much, through forced and voluntary avenues, continue to be thrown under the bus with no gratitude shown.

  • lynnlyks San Luis Obispo, CA
    Aug. 8, 2017 8:57 p.m.

    As a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints, I am very embarrassed by the citizens of Draper. Their actions at this meeting seem heartless and cruel. I live in CA less than a mile from a homeless shelter. Our city just spent the last three years raising private funds to build a more comprehensive, all encompassing day center for our homeless. I am proud of my city's actions to support those struggling with basic life necessities.
    My mom lived in SLC for five years, right next to the homeless shelter ...in The Gateway Apartments. I went with former mayor Ralph Becker to complete a service project one Thanksgiving. It is heart-wrenching to see women pushing strollers with infants, toddlers, young children to and from the shelter that is grossly over crowded!
    As the Savior Jesus Christ said when we serve the least of us...we are doing His work.... the second great commandment is love your neighbor....that means EVERYONE! Shame on you Draper citizens!

  • dski HERRIMAN, UT
    Aug. 8, 2017 8:09 p.m.

    I am amazed at the frontal assault on Draper residents for their response to King Walker's decree for a homeless shelter in his kingdom. As a citizen of the Democratic Republic of Riverton, opposition is part of our democratic fabric. How everyone look at the poor residents of Draper as deplorables is beyond me. I am sure there is plenty of compassion among the residents of Draper. My response to a decree from our mayor (I forgot his name) will be met with the same. Will that make me heartless? Nope! I am a staunch supporter of the democratic process, not emotional decrees. To my fellow citizens across the freeway, I firmly believe you were right. Now, go out there and vote your king out!

  • Abeille West Haven, UT
    Aug. 8, 2017 4:36 p.m.

    SomeClarityPlease says:
    One half of federal taxes goes to welfare. This amount is 5 times the amount to lift every single person in poverty out. Do some brief research on the internet. Or better yet, you mayors with the "anything goes" mentality should spend some airtime thanking the taxpayers while educating the clueless on where all of their taxes are going.

    Actually, I did do some 'brief research on the internet'. Our total Gross Domestic Product for this year is projected to be around 19.1619 Trillion. Our United States Government will spend around 4.0622 Trillion. Of that amount, 716 Billion is for Medicaid, while 411 Billion is for all other Welfare. If you want to lump Medicaid and Welfare together, the total would be about 1.117 Trillion, or 27.5% of Total Government Spending. If we're only looking at Welfare, then the United States will spend a total of about 10.12% on welfare. That's a lot different than 'one half' and definitely not enough to lift every single person out of poverty. I'm no Mayor, nor am I an elected official, but these are the best numbers I could find. Hope it was educational to all.

  • mominthetrenches South Jordan, UT
    Aug. 8, 2017 4:13 p.m.

    Embarrassed for Draperites. Kudos both Mayors Walker & McAdams for at least trying to understand the problem, first-hand, and offering something. Both men were trying, with not a lot of support from any others, to do the right thing. What rare and good men they are. Mr. Walker, come on over to South Jordan-theres a vacancy and Draper doesnt deserve you.

  • mightymite , 00
    Aug. 8, 2017 2:31 p.m.

    So to follow some of this logic does that mean we need to disperse the gang issues from the west side to the rest of the valley to share the load? How about narcotic distribution centers throughout unsuspecting neighborhoods to share the burdens? The logic of distribution of this issue to burden all makes no sense. Like I said I dont have the answers but what we are looking at is not it.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 8, 2017 2:25 p.m.

    @mightymite
    "After hearing of first hand accounts of assault and drug use going on in the shelter by Mr McAdams you thought it was a good choice to spring this on people?"

    This article says he was looking into one that focused on women and children. That's not going to attract nearly as much of that kind of problem.

  • JNA Layton, UT
    Aug. 8, 2017 2:24 p.m.

    Impartial said "Walker doesn't do anything that he won't personally benefit from doing."

    Impartial, would you please provide proof to us of your statement. Please remember that you said "doesn't do anything" So in other words, I need the proof that the Mayors entire life, all of it, is spent in his own benefit. Please include how being a husband, father, friend, son etc etc benefits him and only him.

    thank you for your timely response

  • rwils Provo, UT
    Aug. 8, 2017 2:16 p.m.

    I believe those who attended the heated Town Hall about the homeless shelter probably did not accurately reflect the residents of Draper. I'm sure many of Draper's residents would support, in more ways than one, a homeless shelter. Perhaps this is something that should be put to a vote, not only in Draper but in all communities.

    Years ago in a different State, our little town fought for years to have a proposed prison removed from our boundaries. Ultimately the State prevailed and a beautiful, state-of-the-art prison was built. Not only did the prison grow the economy in that part of the city, but volunteers flocked to help, and some of the biggest opponents created innovative programs for the inmates and their children. All-in-all it became a positive for the area. Homeless shelters give us an opportunity to show our best selves, something any community should welcome.

  • itswhatithink West Jordan, UT
    Aug. 8, 2017 1:42 p.m.

    The original article on Sunday stated that Ben didn't tell anyone about his experience. It appears he shared his homeless ee perience with those who it would influence as he started his plan to move the shelter from the Sugarhouse area that were near his properties

  • Workinguy Sandy, UT
    Aug. 8, 2017 12:40 p.m.

    To mightymite

    Since I made the property values comment I assume you meant your response to me and not UteRB77, but his response to you was well said. I think it's apparent you don't really understand the homeless issue. This is not just a Salt Lake City problem. The people down there are from all over the valley at the very least. A big cause of the "lawlessness" going on down there is caused by the fact that we have concentrated so many struggling people into one area. We're magnifying the problem by allowing that to happen. That has to stop and everyone has to help out with the problem and yes, that means breaking up the shelters into more manageable sizes and spreading them out- just common sense.

    Airy Rain

    I think we would all feel for you and your hurt feelings over how you're being viewed here if the good folks in Draper hadn't shown a history at turning their collective noses at anything that you feel would mess with your perceived little slice of heaven.

  • mightymite , 00
    Aug. 8, 2017 11:21 a.m.

    @ UteRB77
    nothing to do or does not effect my property values at all and I feel for the resident of SSL who had this forced upon them. The issue here is lawlessness and public safety. There is absolutely no excuse for introducing these extremely serious risk factors into any neighborhood or community. It is negligent. I dont know what the solution is but spreading around the risk so now everyone is in potential peril is not the answer - just common sense.

  • Airy Rain Draper, UT
    Aug. 8, 2017 10:58 a.m.

    As a resident of Draper I am outraged at this article. The people of Draper are some of the most generous and caring people I have had the honor of associating with. We DON'T hate the homeless! We are compassionate and try to lift up our fellow man. The problem with this situation is the LACK of public discourse. This was a HUGE surprise that (hopefully) the former Mayor sprung on the citizens of Draper. NO one, including you or I enjoy something that is so consequential thrown at them without any discussion or public opinion. We were angry at the way it was handled! Anyone in any other city would be as well. Quit pointing fingers at our city and citizens and labeling them as monsters or "rich snobs" and evaluate the way you and your city would have handled it.

  • centrist.mormon Colombia, 00
    Aug. 8, 2017 10:57 a.m.

    Have the state step in and force a shelter in Draper. Children don't know how to make their own decisions.

  • plyxply SLC, UT
    Aug. 8, 2017 10:38 a.m.

    As a resident of Draper I was ashamed of my fellow citizens and their reactions at the meeting. It's amazing how people will send their kids to Africa or S. America to "serve others", yet act in such a horrible manner when asked to help in their own city.
    Mayor Walker should be commended for his actions, I will vote for him again and wish we could have a "re-do" on that meeting.

  • MaxPower Eagle Mountain, UT
    Aug. 8, 2017 10:14 a.m.

    Everyone wants to show compassion

    No one wants the compassion to be shown in their backyard/neighborhood.

    Therein lies the problem.

  • UteRB77 Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 8, 2017 9:58 a.m.

    @mightymite - "There is no easy solution for homelessness but there are resources for those who want and need help, it's not a golden ticket but there is help if they look for it."

    The point that Mayors McAdams and Walker and others have been trying to make is that the resources are inadequate, and different groups have different needs. Shame on you for your narrow minded judgment. It demonstrates a serious lack of understanding and compasion for the problem. The vast majority of homeless do not "choose that lifestyle." Most want to find a way back into society. Mayor Walker was thoughtful about addressing a segment of the homeless, women and children, with a whole separate set of needs, and who certainly did not choose to be homeless. Why would we not want to separate them from the the rest of the problem. His proposal was a solution. Who cares that he owns property that could provide a location, which is one of the more difficult challenges. At least he's offering solutions. Someone has to have the wherewithal to be able to execute such a proposal. Good for him for having that ability. Regardless, I'm afraid his proposal would have the same reaction no matter what. That's sad.

  • Thomas Thompson Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 8, 2017 9:56 a.m.

    Ben McAdam's experience as a "volunteer" member of the homeless is instructive, and we need to learn from it. Homeless shelters ought to be a safe haven, a place where men, women, and children can go and feel safe. Such safety is -- to put it mildly -- less available if the people using the services of the shelter are drunk or openly using illegal drugs. The shelter in Salt Lake City could be well advised to take a page from the playbook of The Good Shepard, a Catholic shelter in Albuquerque, NM. There, each person admitted to the shelter is breathalyzed before entering, and if he's (it's exclusively a men's shelter) been drinking, he won't be admitted. Each person also has to check his backpack for the evening and he will not have access to it, making drug use more difficult. But at The Good Shepard, if a man openly uses, he'll be excluded from the shelter, not only on that occasion, but for life. Many people do not want to risk such an exclusion.

  • Steve C. Warren WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Aug. 8, 2017 9:52 a.m.

    Draper's rejection of the homeless resource center that will now be placed in South Salt Lake is a metaphor for events of long ago. To understand this metaphor, keep in mind that Draper is one of Utah's wealthiest cities and has a temple, whereas South Salt Lake household incomes are among the state's lowest and has no temple.

    During the final week of his life, Jesus lodged at Bethany, a word that means "house of the poor." Bethany was just over 1.5 miles from the temple in Jerusalem, but the small town could not be seen from the temple mount. Why not? Very likely Bethany had an almshouse and a place of caring for the sick. The chief priests required that places of caring for the sick must be out of view of the temple. (The priests believed that people got serious afflictions as a result of their sins or their parents' sins.)

    How interesting that Jesus was more welcome in poor Bethany than in a far wealthier city with a temple whose chief priests and others viewed themselves as superior.

  • Workinguy Sandy, UT
    Aug. 8, 2017 9:37 a.m.

    To mightymite No, we are talking about homelessness here. The whole point of closing the Road Home and opening up smaller shelters around the valley is to get the people who really want the help away from the problems going on downtown and providing them with the resources they need to get back on their feet. You're right, this issue isn't for the weak at heart, but that does not mean you shouldn't have a soft heart either. As long as it doesn't affect your property values of course...

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Aug. 8, 2017 9:14 a.m.

    @workingguy;
    " please explain to the rest of us how a homeless shelter would be any kind of financial windfall for any property owner around the proposed site, much less the land that was proposed for the shelter itself."

    Simple. Just like the legislators and their cronies that bought acres of low value sand and dirt property near the prison, now that they forced the prison move that land will quadruple at least. Walker would profit by selling his property to the state or city at a huge gain. It's not that hard to figure out. Just like previous mayor Smith, Walker doesn't do anything that he won't personally benefit from doing.

  • dski HERRIMAN, UT
    Aug. 8, 2017 9:14 a.m.

    A mayor was elected by the majority. Therefore, it's only fair that the majority is informed of the decisions that will impact them long term. The mayor's decision was very noble if he was the king of Draper. But, as an elected official, opposition to such decisions should not be surprising. Those that are homeless for economic reasons can be accommodated anywhere for they are there temporarily. But those who are chronically homeless by choice are sometimes the criminal elements of that population. I agree Mayor Walker made a bold move by making this generous offer. We'll find out soon if the residents of his city has forgiven him.

  • Bart Tippetts Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 8, 2017 8:52 a.m.

    The proposed Draper shelter is for homeless families , which more often are not prone to violence or substance abuse. It provides a safe place for their children to be away from the drug infested Rio Grande area.

    I have been at the area many times by providing food and sleeping gear. Listening to their stories is heart breaking.

    In addition to shelters , there can be an immediate temporary care to provide drug free tent encampments. The goal is get the homeless off the streets who are already camping and curb the violence and the drug trade.

    Another idea is start a "conservation corps " , which is similar to that was instituted by FDR during the Depression , where the homeless will leave their surroundings and work and live in the wild. It can be part of a substance abuse rehab program. A urban program can also be started to clean our rivers , beautify the neighborhoods , and obtain job skills such a construction trade while working on building affordable housing. Pay structure can start at $ 13 per hour .

    Work and get some income among the homeless is the beginning become self sustaining. Then proceed to get job training and skill based education.

    Bart

  • Overdubbed San Diego, CA
    Aug. 8, 2017 8:42 a.m.

    The Mayor's reaction is very confusing to me.

    I totally get the compassion for homeless.

    But he goes to a homeless shelter, sees that it is a cesspool and horrible. Sees that people would rather sleep outside than go there.

    And is reaction is "Hey, let's make more of these!!!".

    How does that make any sense? Shouldn't the initiative be to clean up the horror that exists -- get the program right, first?

    Or are we like "Hurry up and do more damage"?

  • Reader Sandy, UT
    Aug. 8, 2017 8:30 a.m.

    The timing of this article is very troublesome to me. Why didn't Major Walker let the citizens of Draper know of his fact-finding mission to offer land for a homeless shelter rather than announcing it suddenly and without giving any indications of his concern and intent? It is my understanding from the articles written about his offer, that the land seemed inappropriate for a shelter for women and children in that it was isolated with no public transportation, or close access to grocery stores or similar sources of goods, or services for the homeless. The people I know in Draper are loving and compassionate. I think had this been handled in a more transparent manner, the outcome would have been different. I wouldn't want Draper judged by the very vocal minority attending that meeting.

  • mightymite , 00
    Aug. 8, 2017 8:21 a.m.

    Make no mistake about it here we are talking about lawlessness not homelessness. The stunt that Walker tried to make was reckless. There is no easy solution for homelessness but there are resources for those who want and need help, it's not a golden ticket but there is help if they look for it. Just housing a homeless population enables a lifestyle and all the issues that those who choose that lifestyle bring with them. This issue is not for the weak of heart. As communities (any community - affluent or poor) we have expectations that laws be followed and criminal elements not be housed in our communities in the name of compassion. Just say no to that panhandler or drug dealer that your elected official are proposing set up camp on your street corner to support the population influx of homeless that are eyeing for you community.

  • Workinguy Sandy, UT
    Aug. 8, 2017 7:47 a.m.

    To those who have posted comments about there being some kind of financial gain for Mayor Walker and others to build a homeless shelter in Draper I ask this- please explain to the rest of us how a homeless shelter would be any kind of financial windfall for any property owner around the proposed site, much less the land that was proposed for the shelter itself. I mean, it sure has worked out well for the Rio Grande Cafe and the other businesses around the Road Home, right?

    The folks in Draper should be ashamed of themselves. It was one thing to lose their minds over a DI being built there, their reaction to their mayor trying to do the right thing is an embarrassment. What Mayors Walker and McAdams, as well as Rep. Hughes (from Draper, btw) are trying to do is commendable and should be supported. There are many reasons to distrust politicians. What these men are trying to do isn't one of them.

  • Freiheit Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 8, 2017 7:44 a.m.

    Nan BW:
    "To effectively help the homeless who are addicted we need to stop the mass sales of opiates, which means we need to effectively stop illegal immigration and mass delivery of drugs from south of our borders."
    The opiates aren't coming from south of the border, they are produced right here by our highly efficient and very profitable pharmaceutical industry, and prescribed by licensed and trained but less-than-scrupulous medical professionals. Until we deal with that, your solutions won't help much.

  • Red Smith American Fork, UT
    Aug. 8, 2017 6:51 a.m.

    Open Drug Areas where drug laws are not enforced (lawlessness).

    Sanctuary city policies breeding criminality (lawlessness).

    Predatory and profiteering parking regulations creating hate of the law abiding for the law.

    These three ingredients created a mess at Rio Grande-Road House, Pioneer Park, and Liberty Park.

    We can't build a new $1 Billion State Prison to punish drug offenders and have Open Drug Areas 4 miles away where free drug paraphernalia (needles) are given out of free.

    We must release drug offenders or end Open Drug Areas like Rio Grande, Pioneer Park, and Little Cottonwood Canyon.

    We can't have two sets of laws.

  • Alferd Packer Riverton, UT
    Aug. 8, 2017 6:45 a.m.

    I am so impressed by Mayor. McAdams and his experience in the shelter. This is an example of true leadership. I want to believe Mayor Walker is a man of his word, and that he was inspired to make his offer by Mayor McAdams experience.

    Shame on the people of Draper. This is a city that didn't want a Deseret Industries store in the city limits - you know what kind of people frequent those places...the disabled and those in a lower income bracket. That store is now in Riverton and about to open this week. Thank you Mayor Applegarth for supporting the DI in Riverton.

    "For some reason I can't explain, I know St. Peter won't call my name" (Coldplay)

    Something for the angry mob of Draperites to think on today...

  • Nijmegen Nijmegen, 00
    Aug. 8, 2017 5:30 a.m.

    Two wonderful men and mayors that show care and compassion for the less fortunate among us. Both set a shining example for us all.

  • blazindave Lehi, UT
    Aug. 8, 2017 3:23 a.m.

    I applaud the efforts of McAdams and Walker and am very disappointed in the reaction of the dissenting citizens in Draper. I was considering buying a home in Draper but not anymore. The reaction of Draper citizens in this situation definitely soured me on the idea.

  • Nan BW ELder, CO
    Aug. 8, 2017 1:54 a.m.

    Don't look at legalizing marijuana as a solution. In legalizing that substance in CO (where there are still a lot of regulations) we have just heaped upon ourselves a pile of other problems. We've drastically cut back on illegal marijuana sales, thus damaging the drug cartels from south of our country. To keep in business those illegal drug outlets have increased heroin trafficking.

    Drugs are a huge part of the homelessness problem. It is no wonder that it was a very scary experience for the mayor to spend days and nights in this environment. That doesn't make the problem any easier to solve. Compassion is absolutely a part of the solution, but it doesn't address how to assist the drug addicted homeless population and keep a semi-safe environment for those who live nearby.

    To effectively help the homeless who are addicted we need to stop the mass sales of opiates, which means we need to effectively stop illegal immigration and mass delivery of drugs from south of our borders. Then once again, the politically correct will say we aren't being compassionate. There are no easy solutions!

  • SomeClarityPlease Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 8, 2017 12:33 a.m.

    If you want to improve your chances at being reelected, toughen up (like Singapore) on this rather than kowtowing. The visit was indeed a calculated publicity stunt not revealing anything new.  You did not feel safe.  Why should the rest of us?  Why haven't these bleeding heart mayors invited some of the homeless into their homes?

    If you are sensing drug use while in the shelter, you are doing a poor job screening.  Illicit drug use is not addressed in the Bible, so spare us the platitudes with Jesus on compassion. I believe he would not have tolerated illicit drug use, but would have instead used compassionate tough love. Some can use a shelter, but others can use a shelter with bars (and 3 hots and a cot).

    Taxpayers are already compassionate helping a ton with the poor.  Many also contribute well beyond this with service and donations.  One half of federal taxes goes to welfare.  This amount is 5 times the amount to lift every single person in poverty out.  Do some brief research on the internet.  Or better yet, you mayors with the "anything goes" mentality should spend some airtime thanking the taxpayers while educating the clueless on where all of their taxes are going.

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    Aug. 8, 2017 12:20 a.m.

    UGC: I think the actual mayor was trying to be compassionate, the people (of Draper) not so much.

  • wer South Jordan, UT
    Aug. 7, 2017 11:33 p.m.

    I would like to think that the angry people at the Draper town hall meeting were a group of out of state vigilantes who were passing through the area and just happened upon the meeting. Unfortunately, as indicated by an earlier poster to this story, it is all too real that they were residents who hardly reflect the lives of those 19th century pioneers who were driven here by the type of hatred and vicious outcry that occurred at the meeting.

    Without regard to religious commitment or affiliation, their response to a request for help reflects poorly on the principle of Christlike service.

  • Schwa South Jordan, UT
    Aug. 7, 2017 11:32 p.m.

    How soulless are the upper-middle class residents of Draper, to boo a homeless man. Shame on you, Draper residents.

  • ResidentUtah Draper, UT
    Aug. 7, 2017 11:27 p.m.

    I'm grateful for the mayor's courage to offer a suggestion for the homeless. How sad that we ridicule and are quick to anger instead of find solutions. I am embarrassed and ashamed by the awful and immature responses by my fellow Draper residence. I applaud Mayor Walker for having compassion when everyone else wants to ignore this huge problem and stand by him for offering a solution when no-one else would.

  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    Aug. 7, 2017 10:50 p.m.

    Doing the right thing is not always an easy thing. The homeless situation requires management. That's what we elect officials to do. When heartless, uncompassionate people run our governments, it doesn't say much about what we've become.

  • Fullypresent Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 7, 2017 10:23 p.m.

    We have to be able to sort how who really wants help and is ready for help from those that either don't want help, aren't ready or won't even acknowledge they have some serious problems including substance abuse will be a waste of time and money until those things change. Some have to hit rock bottom before they are willing to change. Some do not want to give up their drugs.

    Efforts need to be focused on those that want help and can benefit the most from help. In the drug war we have lost many and will lose many more. Those that have just hit hard times, need a hand up and safety net can be ok with those things.

  • mightymite , 00
    Aug. 7, 2017 10:10 p.m.

    I beg your pardon Mr Walker. After hearing of first hand accounts of assault and drug use going on in the shelter by Mr McAdams you thought it was a good choice to spring this on people? I dont buy it. You are willing to open up this can of worm in your very own city? Come on, Mr. Walker it seems like the Draper police are currently overwhelmed with an escalating crime rate in the city of Draper and again you thought this would be a good idea? Dont buy it , there were too many motives with property owners and TRAX for me to buy your story. To be clear any gains that were made by McAdams coming out with this story are now just lost with Walker opening his mouth and joining this publicity train.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Aug. 7, 2017 9:21 p.m.

    It should be noted that the piece of property considered for the shelter is owned by Walker and associates.

  • Justinstitches American Fork, UT
    Aug. 7, 2017 9:21 p.m.

    It really hurts to know there are so any hateful people in this state. We should be examples of Christlike caring. Those who were being so vicious at that Draper meeting would have been the same people who drove Mormons out of their homes in the 1800's.

    The majority of the homeless are people like you and me. They've had something horrible happen to them, but they want to get back on their feet, they want to keep their dignity, and they want to care for their children.

  • JBs Logan, UT
    Aug. 7, 2017 9:10 p.m.

    Heaven forbid we should have compassion. If we could all take a step back and at least take a realistic look at shelter locations, that would help. And then if a choice really isn't good, then a location should be changed. Very difficult to determine without a working crystal ball and no possibility of a guaranteed outcome. Still, let cooler heads at least have a chance.

  • ute alumni Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 7, 2017 8:22 p.m.

    Draper is still the best choice