Billionaire philanthropist also criticized the stigma surrounding the drug
PrometheusI had a comment with 3 article titles to look up. However,
I don't know if the people at DN will post it.Needless to say,
it does affect the receptors and neurotransmitters where anesthesia works. It
affects the release of acetylcholine, which is a neurotransmitter and is needed
to "unparalyze" a person after anesthesia. It affects receptors in your
brain that are triggered with a drug we call propofol.Don't
take my word for it. If you have an anesthesiologist or nurse anesthetist
acquaintance, ask them. I have a colleague at my work who just left a
hospital in CO. She left because people are not wanting to care for these
addicted people anymore. They're unpleasant, are not easy to put under
anesthesia, and vital signs can become extremely unstable. Marijuana
affects fetuses who come out going through withdrawals. Marijuana does in fact
damage lung tissue as well.Again, don't take my word for it. But to
say I am lying or making stuff up, especially when I have seen it multiple times
as well as my colleagues may not be the best way to try to make your case. If
you have not seen it, you can't tell someone else that what they actually
experience is not true.
"Induction dose of propofol in patients using cannibis""Inhibition of hippocampal acetylcholine release after acute and repeated
Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinol in rats""Prolonged cannabinoid
exposure alters GABA(A) receptor mediated synaptic function in cultured
hippocampal neurons."It alters the way the drug works. Just as
if you take opioid all the time, your body needs more and more. The same happens
with marijuana. Your body will require more drug to get the same result. Healthcare professionals don't just ask what you are taking for fun. It
can be a matter of life and death.
Too said: "These side effects have not been "proven" false. Again, I
see it EVERYDAY! "That's called anecdotal evidence and
proves nothing more than the person who says it works for them.Since
your a professional, I assume you will be able to provide a reference for your
assertions that Cannabis effects on General anesthesia, since I couldn't
find any studies that back you up. I did find several that claim it doesn't
have an effect.
Prometheus These are facts. I am the one who puts these people to
sleep and sees them on a daily basis when they come in.On average,
it takes double the amount of anesthesia to put my patients under if they smoke
pot vs a person who does not if they are the same weight/height. Explain to me how that occurs? Is it just a coincidence that person A, B, and
C who smoke pot are harder for me to put to sleep vs person D, E, and F? Same
size, same medication.Cannabis does have an overdose. Will it kill
you? Maybe not. However, when you are taking more than what is necessary or what
your body "needs", that is considered an overdose, and you do lose your
capacity to think, perform, and function. These side effects have
not been "proven" false. Again, I see it EVERYDAY! And I am a natural
herbal user, not big pharma. I don't take pain meds or opiates. I like your
assuming that because I do actually have experience in this field, that I work
for the pharma. Talk about a stereotype.
TOO - claims Fact's that are no such thing, just more lies.If
these are facts, than references for even a portion of your nonsense will
suffice.Opiates have easily obtainable lethal overdose limits,
Cannabis does not. Your operation room stories are just that, are you
actually saying cannabis blocks opiates?Your side effects have been
proven false, not true since the fake research of the 70's was used as
propaganda.Making stuff up or using dubious info, doesn't help
your crusade against natural remedies, in favor of deadly opiates and big
pharmacy, whom I suspect you write this propaganda for.
He has given so much to this community and state let him be part of the research
on adults. He has very difficult health conditions that would at least warrant
him being able to be part of the research if he wants to be. It is unfortunate
that all the rec users have ruined it for getting medical marijuana legalized in
all 50 states for certain medical conditions and chronic pain. We know it
can't be any worse for people than what all the legal drugs are doing to
them in the way of side effects and damage to their organs and other parts of
I really think it's hilarious how people who speak about marijuana feel
they have all the "facts"."Fact": It's safer
than opioids.Fact: a person who smokes pot requires more medication
for surgery to put them under anesthesia. This means that it can prolong
hospital stays and wake up times."Fact": there are less side
effects.Fact: Marijuana can lead to mental disorders such as
bipolar, schizophrenia, and depression."Fact": It's
only medicinal use that we want, not recreational.Fact: Opioids are
for only medicinal uses, yet look at the high rate of people who get them
without a prescription. You don't think that will happen with marijuana?"Fact": It's less addicting.Fact: Marijuana
leads to physical and mental addiction and dependence just like that of any
other substance.Maybe people should actually speak to people who
take care of others who use marijuana, instead of talking to people who use it.
It's not a black and white issue. If your loved one is using marijuana, ask
his/her physician just how much it affects the body.
@ Hope and Faith"Why can't Utah just be Utah? Why oppress
us?"When it comes to chronic pain management, your ideals about
a pristine, morally superior Utopian Utah fall on the deaf ears of many.The Women's Christian Temperance Union had 340,000 members in 1930
at the height of Prohibition. Drinking "old John Barleycorn" back then
was considered a mortal sin by many.Now that organization has 5,000
members worldwide. Why has that group nearly gone extinct? Attitudes evolve.
Attitudes are changing about marijuana. You may think Utahans may
fall into a drug-infused moral Purgatory if recreational marijuana is legalized.
If so, I'll send you a postcard from there to let you know things
aren't really all that bad.
LDSChurch spokesman Eric Hawkins-Sufficient scientific testing has been
done_ to establish reasonable support its use(my) LDS Church,
Catholics, US Supreme Court, Congress, Utah House& Senate,Utah Supreme
Court, DOJ, 3 Utah Fed. Judges & most of you_Know the real
issue: Citizen Right of Self-Determination_being Violated by UnConstitutional Drug Monopoly Law.Simply ask any expert this-1-If you believe that 'Controlled Substance Acts' (giving Doctors
the power of government permit sales) violate equalitySign here: 2-
If you believe that 'Controlled Substance Acts' (giving Doctors the
power of government permit sales) are lawfulSign here: =1-doctors aren't under oath of office (Constitutional Oath to uphold
citizen equality or be impartial in all their duties)2-Doctors sell
Government Use Permits- Like the ATF - & are only private business
venture.3-Doctors being private citizens- not under oath- get to
keep the Gov. Permit fees, which are temporary causing strong monopoly powers
with pharmacies- blocking free markets rules of pricing, sales &
distribution to all citizens with equality.Once having this filed
proof of citizen Equality Violation_You Must Speak up
Utah Girl Chronicles,You: "God grows marijuana naturally and it
grows wild around here."Me: He grows poisonous plants too.You: "Marijuana is not addictive and there is no evidence of anyone ever
dying from an overdose."Me: Yet you fins folks can't allow the
normal FDA process here? Not all Doctors and Scientists agree on everything. So
to even treat human consensus like it should dictate law is essentially a
religion in itself, a state one. To force your view, just cause you get people
to agree with you?Let Utah be Utah. One state in the union... just
one- can't have our laws be different than the rest?The secular
world and the liberal "all states have to obey the federal way" view is
the most obscenely intolerant and anti-liberty position- even "threat to
American democracy" we've ever seen in this country. You'll find
that quote in the gay marriage ruling. But hey, go on without an ounce of
concern for listening to the other side- the side that likes pluralism and
tolerance for multiple points of view, multiple states with multiple definitions
of legal substances.Why can't Utah just be Utah? Why oppress
Good for you, Jon! It works. We know.
The LDS Church statement:"Accordingly, we believe that society
is best served by requiring marijuana to go through further research and the FDA
approval process that all other drugs must go through before they are prescribed
to patients."Are we really this foolish in our judgement? I read
something once from Brigham Young that basically said if the church started
accepting tea that the masses would sing Hallelujah. There's just no way to
sugar coat it. You either believe or you don't. You either follow the
Savior or harden your heart to Him and go your own way trusting the foolishness
of man.The counsel we've received couldn't be more
clear.What's more is that we have been so blessed by God that
to turn away from such counsel is just insane. Not only that, everyone wants to
do it as urgently as possible. This truly is a troubling time, and I can only
say that harder times are ahead of us if we are this easily confused now- unless
we turn around now. We need better drug enforcement in Utah. We need better
rehabilitation of criminal activity.We so desperately need to
remember where our blessings come from.
@ HopeandFaith'If only we had more faith in Jesus Christ and
less faith in our own foolishness."God grows marijuana naturally
and it grows wild around here. Opiates are made in laboratories. They can be
highly addictive and even fatal. Marijuana is not addictive and there is no
evidence of anyone ever dying from an overdose.For all the good Mr.
Huntsman has done for the people of our state, I wish you could cut him some
slack. Intolerance is not the way to go here. Mr. Huntsman isn't going to
turn into a heroin addict. Chronic pain is no fun to deal with.
Raw cannabis extracts likely contain a number of components that exert different
effects, both beneficial and harmful. Considerable research is needed to
identify and isolate the various components and purify them so as to provide
specific beneficial effects while eliminating negative effects.Unfortunately, this area of research has been a political and regulatory
football for many years due to the fact that marijuana is a drug of abuse that
arguably is a gateway drug that can lead to addiction to opioids, cocaine,
Mr. Huntsman should stick to making Big Mac clamshells. He's a terrible
physician. Look no further than downtown SLC to see the damage wrought by
drugs.Pot advocacy will buy Mr. Huntsman some fans among the pot
crowd, but it will tarnish his legacy.
Go for it, Brother Huntsman! My 65 year old husband uses it to
sleep as he cannot sleep with the pain he bears - in the form of a cookie or a
brownie. He lives with the pain during the day (also refuses opioids since they
don't help). However, without sleep he ceases to function. And he is an
active temple recommend holding LDS member,No, we did not ask
permission for him to do so. We believe that the Lord has blessed him with
something that works, compared to years and years (over thirty) of opiate use
that did absolutely nothing for his pain and caused him to withdraw from family
and life. And they are legal.
Which Quorum of the Seventy was Jon Hunstman Sr. in? The 420th?
If only we had more faith in Jesus Christ and less faith in our own
foolishness.No matter how many billions Huntsman can dish out for
research, it will not make him right. It does not make a pro-doctor more right
than an against-doctor. Human consensus is nothing more than "wise" men
agreeing on what they think is best. You know, cause that's never seen
stupid as a result in our history. I mean, it wasn't long ago that most
doctors were saying an Aspirin a day was a good thing. It wasn't long ago
that marriage meant something else in this country. It wasn't long ago that
the vast majority of secular "thinkers" changed their mind on just about
any issue you can name (outside ridiculing religion of course).The
LDS Church has called for more research to be done. This *would* be wisdom on
our part to heed that warning. Instead of "stigma must end" arguments
from the shame culture, I believe in caution and seeking the best solutions- not
with world-ending paranoia that if a pill or oil isn't legalized tomorrow,
life on Earth with somehow cease.Unfortunately the arrogant shaming
stains our beautiful state and people all too regularly.
He should cross the border to Colorado, or travel to California. It would be
easy enough for him to give it a try in those states. Not is Nevada, though.
They run out!
Question for Mr. Huntsman. If you want to use it, why don't you fund a
study and some research in order to see if it actually effective? You have a
few billion available. Put your money where your mouth is. The anecdotal
evidence aside, this does need to be studied.If effective then ways
could be developed to put it into pill form for use minus the really bad part of
Hooch, the THC.I don't take opiods because I became addicted
years ago while under a doctors care. I realized I was hooked and went cold
turkey. Even though this addiction only lasted a month before I realized it, I
rarely have taken them since. Ibuprofen my kill me faster but it works for me.
@jbejarano - In regards to this subject, the "what about the children"
ruse lost its validity years ago... Yawn When science and facts
don't match a prohibitionist narrative.. sadly fear-mongering and
stonewalling are the only tactics left
Jon, you are always welcome to stay with me. We'll get you set up.
Poyman: "Of course he is... Maybe a pot night with the kids and grandkids
for refreshment after Family Home Evening... Or maybe instead of stopping for
pie and ice cream after a ward temple night he could have everyone over at the
house for a quiet pot party."It would probably be better for
them than "pie and ice cream." Look at the good side. You can get
behind the efforts for Zion walls, giant air-shifters and numerous signs that
will be required to be posted all over the place. However, I don't see it
being approved in Utah anytime in the near future, but traffic stops between
Wendover and SLC will be at an all-time high.
Just admit it. Most people would want to try it at least once to treat pain or
otherwise to see what all of the hupla is all about. Maybe if they did they
would realize how counterproductive the fight against marijuana is.
I see the usual pro-legalization comments around this issue already surfacing
early here....Tax revenue benefits, other more harsh drugs are already legal
(and abused), neighboring states have legalized medical marijuana use, etc.I don't deny that the use of medical marijuana has positive
outcomes for some but I have also seen the negative effects of legalizing
medical marijuana, and they are not pretty. No doubt emotions will
run high over the coming months regarding this issue, particularly from those
who are in favor of legalization in Utah. Utah, however, would be wise to
thoroughly and honestly examine the results in states that have gone down this
path before making the decision itself. Any and all ramifications should be
reviewed and considered.
Now - if you really want to see how hypocritical our legislators can be, watch
how they ALL line up in favor of medical marijuana.As far as
I'm concerned - Utah CANNOT stop marijuana use (legal or otherwise),since
NV has legalized it. So any noise about Utah legalizing it or not are strictly a
waste of time.
The fact that we allow opiates but not Marijuana for pain relief is stupid.
Opiates are far more dangerous. In my own social circle I know several people
who have died in the last decade - active members of the church who you would
never think to have such a problem.The stigma against marijuana has
to end. It's old fashioned thinking and superstitious.
Dear Mr. Huntsman:Getting access to medical marijuana--or even
recreational--is as simple as a plane ticket to Denver. They've got active
LDS congregations, too.Why bother trying to influence the Utah
legislature? Just ask the Outdoor Retailers how that went!
Leave Utah law alone. Enough children are suffering from the loss of brain cells
by experimenting with this already widely available drug. You want to raise my
car insurance rates $350 dollars per year like Colorado did after making
cannibis widely available. It can't be denied that people will drive when
they are not supposed to, cause wrecks and jack up rates because it already is a
problem in UT. Can't Huntsman hop in his private jet to Colorado and buy
some weed already and leave us alone?
Vote yes on the medical marijuana initiative because, as Brother Huntsman says,
"the side effects of medical marijuana are considerably less than virtually
all opioids and therefore less destructive to the body." How
interesting it is that those who say study, study, study before making medical
marijuana available to suffering people seem perfectly content to allow those
same people to use expensive, addictive opioids that will kill or seriously harm
them.Three cheers for Jon Huntsman.
If I am a patient with pain of that nature, I definitely will use it. I have had
multiple surgeries related to my years of military services. Those surgeries
comes with opioids to relieve the pain associated with them. I'm always
scared of getting addicted to them so I use them only when pain is unbearable. I
consider myself a strong and active member of the LDS faith. However, sometimes
instead of taking my painkillers, I take a shot or two of whiskey. In my own
mind, addiction to alcohol is easier to be treated than opioids. That is between
me and God. Dealing with my pain and health is my own. If medical marijuana
helps, why not! In the old days there was a song about Mary Jane making me feel
alright. Until you have the pain, you won't think about Mary Jane.
You lack understanding of the MMJ market. You think it's a sham for people
who seek an alternative to opiates? Educate yourself please.
I know some people who know a guy who knows another guy that can get you plenty
of medical grade MJThe states that do not legalize pot are the real
losers.... See Nevada (winner!)Utah ... Loser in terms of lost tax
Mr HuntsmanWhy not just move to Montana or any other of the 29
states with legalized medical marijuana?If the good people of Utah
don't see fit to (at least) legalize marijuana for medicinal purposes, then
why would you want to reside in a state that denies you the possibility to
alleviate chronic pain? And chances are, you would be using
marijuana formulated in such a way that does not alter your consciousness. The
big lie anti-medical marijuana crowds tell is that it is a gateway drug, even
when it doesn't get a person high.
Mr. Huntsman, you have long bragged about your political connections and your
money and have even used them to even get Jr. elected Gov. Now, why don't
you use your powers to lobby congress to take "From national research and
understanding"? Go through the legal process on a national
level where it should be and change the laws and make it legally possible to
bring the research and understanding together by medical research experts,
finish whatever additional testing and trials are necessary to make medically
available the legal use of certain compounds and derivatives for specific
treatments of specific diseases. Let it be medically determined the dosages,
and compounds that should be used, prescribed by a Dr., dispensed by a
pharmacist and used responsibly for medical purposes. We want NO
wink and nod medical M like California had. The purpose of that was to lead to
complete and unrestricted use for recreational use.
Good for him! He's the type of leader who can perhaps debunk the negative
light of medicinal marijuana. Having a child with Crohn's Disease in a
state that not allows medicinal use, my son has chosen not to use it .... yet.
Without a doubt, as Huntsman does-- I believe medical marijuana has it's
advantages to numerous lifelone illnesses and diseases. I also have a very close
relative inflicted with polymyalgia rheumatica. Anyone associated with that
illness knows how physically diabilitating it is. I hope Huntsman finds the
relief he's seeking!
This issue of legalizing the use of medical marijuana in Utah, or anywhere else
for that matter, has many moving parts. While some want to make it seem so clear
cut and simple to decide, it is not. The term "medical marijuana" itself
consists of many different ways to consume cannabis.Utah would be
wise to thoroughly and honestly examine the results in states that have gone
down this path before making the decision itself. Any and all ramifications
should be reviewed and considered. This information is readily available. Utah
would also be wise to look at the results from the states that have taken the
next step after legalizing medical marijuana to legalizing its recreational use.
My guess is that it wouldn't be long before some in Utah would be pushing
for this type of legalization also.
Of course he is... Maybe a pot night with the kids and grandkids for refreshment
after Family Home Evening... Or maybe instead of stopping for pie and ice cream
after a ward temple night he could have everyone over at the house for a quiet
I really don't understand how many can be so off the cuff opposed to seeing
if this could help when other far more dangerous and addicting pain medications
are legal, and abused. I am by no means a pro-pot advocate.... but
if opioids can be prescribed, and we know the dangers of them, then why not
medical grade marijuana? We're not discussing the illegal use... that
will persist no matter what.
Hmmm. Interesting.I have opposed "medical marijuana" as a
flimsy pretext to start down the slippery slope to unrestricted recreational
pot, and still believe that is the goal of many of its advocates.However, I would be open to very tightly controlled experiments to evaluate
certain forms for actual medical use to treat real conditions which do not
respond to other treatments. Mr. Huntsman is an excellent example of where it
may be a worthwhile option.However, for every person with legitimate
needs like Mr. Huntsman, I fear there are hundreds of others whose underlying
problem is the desire to get high, and that there are way too many
"pharmacists and dispensaries" which would eagerly be supplying that
market. I am adamantly opposed to such twisted interpretations of the possibly
good intent of a medical marijuana law.Let's see a carefully
written, fully debated bill make its way through the Legislature, allowing
medical trials before any legalization. But, vote "NO" on the sham
medical pot ballot initiative!God bless Mr. Huntsman for his good
works, and I hope his pain can be treated effectively as soon as possible.
Mr. Huntsman I think you would be doing a lot of sick people some good if you
threw you and your cancer centers influence behind passing MMJ law here in Utah.
Your a common sense man.Thank you