Old Teacher - I assume you are part of the failure of public education/ and
complicit in liberal student indoctrination. My point is not that the Dems
would win an election, but that they would start to close the gap with the Reps.
over time. Actually not a terrible long-term strategy, but they are seriously
screwing it up by suing the state, forcing the use of tax dollars to defend the
decision. Not a way to win minds and hearts of moderate voters.
Don't be fooled folks with this Richard Davis party. This is the Democrat
party -- an extention of it with the purpose to divide the LDS vote and thus
allow votes to be stolen away from Trump -- I call it the Evan McMullin scam.
It's not about Democrats winning but it is about Trump losing in Utah. The
McMullin scam didn't work so they just re-branded it with this ridiculous
new name (united utah) but the intent and the effect is the same. They know they
have zero chance of ever winning anything but that isn't the goal -- it is
to steal LDS votes and nothing more. As I said -- don't be fooled by Davis
and his clever political gaming. I hope LDS people know by now that president
Trump aligns tightly with LDS values and with constitutional first amendement
religious liberty. Trump is against abortion, against gay marriage at the
federal level and has apointed THE most conservative Supreme Court justice in 35
years. Need any more proof? Richard Davis is PRO choice, PRO gay marriage, and
supports the three most far left liberal justices on the Supreme Court on every
issue. Any questions?
Re: At long last... If the UUP were to garner 2% of each of the
major party's votes, as 'at long last...' hypothesizes, what
would that do? let's say the election were much closer than normal, say 55%
Republican to 45% Democrat. If the UUP took 2% of each party's votes, then
the result would be 53.9% Republican to 44.1% Democrat. -- Not much difference
in who's elected. Even if the Republicans lost 10% of their vote and the
Democrats lost none of theirs, the result would be 49.5% to 45%. And with more
typical margins of 60% to 40%, the results are still bleaker for the
Democrats.If, as you suggest, the UUP is a bunch of liberals trying
to get the Democrat elected, then they must not very good at math. I think we
should take them for their word that they're passionate moderates. Even if
they can't get anyone elected -- and that's an uphill battle -- I hope
they can help get political discourse in Utah past name-calling and move on to
finding common ground on real issues.
The "new party" with a very vague platform, and a candidate whose sole
qualification seems to be that he has some sort of hereditary right to represent
Utah in Congress, is throwing a petulant fit because their demands to bend the
rules are not being met. We have a lot more than two political
parties in Utah, and if the other minor parties can manage to follow the rules
and get on the ballot, then this new bunch needs to do the same, or be kept
off.If they cannot follow the rules to get on the ballot, what else
will they mess up?
Assistant attorney general David Wolf warned the judge that if Bennett gets on
the ballot, it could open the door for others to get on the ballot. If you are
the Republicans or the Democrats, that could be a bad thing. They don't
want competition. Another candidate might emerge strong enough to threaten the
two parties' stranglehold on elections. If you can keep them off the
ballot, locking out any competition, you can preserve your stranglehold. People
should be free to challenge the existing parties. They should have the right to
start parties in opposition.
@ at long last,What evidence do you have for such claims or is this
just your opinion? My POV is that this is a party that's
interested in taking a more moderate and practical approach to the challenges we
face rather than just trying to appeal to ideological extremes. However, I think
they need provide more policy specifics before this independent moderate jumps
on the bandwagon.
Frozen Fractals - You evidently don't understand my point about slicing
Republican voters away and into the United Utah group. This is a way to try to
lessen the substantial Republican majority without pulling off many Democrat
votes. Even if percentage-wise it was a wash, two percent of the Republican
vote is a lot larger than two percent of the Democrats. Got it?
I'm not necessarily a fan of this party, but I do think it's a little
silly to block any party from registering just because of a technicality. We
need more ways to break the monolithic two-party (or in Utah's case
@at long last"If they intend to be anything other than a stalking
horse for the Democrat party, trying to shave away Republican voters"The absolute dumbest thing for any Democrat to do in a state where
Democrats get about 35% in statewide elections is say "hey, you know what we
should do? Break up into two parties"
The United Utah party just seems to be composed of liberals who are cranky
because they didn't follow the law in time to qualify for the special
election. If they intend to be anything other than a stalking horse for the
Democrat party, trying to shave away Republican voters, they need to learn to
play by the rules like the other parties, id est., Libertarian, Green,
Constitutional, and so forth. . .