Impartial7 - then explain why Utah is considered one of the best run states in
the country and why our economic outlook is ranked #1 nationally?Every state has its problems, Utah is not immune, but your short list is
hardly something to be ringing our hands over. I lived in California. I know
what bloated state government looks like and how it stagnates in waste and
mismanagement.Utah is NOT in that category. If we allow the
Democrats to take control we will look like CA in a decade. No thank you.
Utah is not 100% Republican.Utah did not vote 100% for Trump.Sorry, for my vote - Utah's representation should not be 100% Trump
@educator.... not all those questions are very fare. For example, is man
causing climate change. Any educated person would know the answer to that has
to be no because the climate is cyclical. If you are asking is man having an
impact on climate change, the answer would most likely be yes. Subtle, and yet
very much different.But a better question is just around pollution
and air/water quality. Even the hardest core conservative doesn't want
their kids drinking mercury laced water. As long as we talk in the extreme,
we'll get nowhere.Healthcare doesn't need to be a right to
be a moral obligation. Likewise education, protecting the poor from predatory
business practices. Something doesn't have to be a "right" to
still compel people or society as a hole to do the right thing. When society
values consumerism over taking care of its elderly, disadvantaged, persecuted,
and poor, then we have far bigger issues.I can support
"progressive issues" and not be for abortion. I can also be for fiscal
conservatism and not be in favor of unrestricted gun sells to the mentally ill.
Continued from aboveIf you cannot answer these questions
appropriately then you won't receive my vote. These are he issues that we
the people care about. And anyone who voted for the immoral Donald already has
forfeited their vote imo. We need Educated and innovative
representation. We already have enough empty chairs who don't think for
themselves. Get Educated
My questions don't include fluffy church questions or simplistic
comparisons between family budgets and the national budget. 1. Do
you believe In man caused climate change? A simple yes or no will suffice2. What legislation will you sponsor in order to stop man caused climate
change?3. Is health care a right? A simple yes or no will suffice. 4. What legislation will you sponsor in order to make health care affordable
and accessible to all?5. What legislation will you sponsor to lower the
costs of higher education so any students who desires may obtain a 4 year degree
without taking on any debt?6. What legislation will you sponsor to
strengthen private schools and squash the corrupt charters?7. What
legislation will you sponsor to force corporations to increase worker
salaries?8. Should all purchases of guns require a background check?9. What legislation will you sponsor to protect federal lands against greedy
corporate interests?10. Did you vote for Donald? Have you taken any Koch
money?To be continued...
Great article! As some comments have pointed out, Utah's government is far
from perfect, but compare it to other states and the federal government and
you'll feel encouraged. There are a lot of things we're doing right.
And for all those who think a discussion of a balanced budget is low-priority
you need to wake up. All the programs you think are more important disappear
regardless of who supports them if we can't fix our national finances.
Social Security is already admitting to my generation that they currently
anticipate funding only 71% of what is currently promised by
legislation...that's all the money that will be available from incoming
taxes. If we don't fix the budget the government (and economy) will
ultimately implode. It's simple math. It's up to us to tell our
representatives if we'd rather increase our taxes by 30-50% or if we'd
like the government to cut it's spending or something in the middle. But
time is running out to fix this.
More republican talking points that mean very little, and are seldom
practiced.I get it, people want a bumpersticker solution to their
complex problems, that's what got us Trump. But we need actual working
solutions, not more rhetoric about lower taxes, and fiscal responsibility, lip
service.The federal Government can not be run like a household, if
you believe this, then there is no conversation to be had, and simple is your
ideal.How about these politicians come up with anything but the
status quo of those before them since Reagan and the trickle down failure, that
they keep trying again and again.It's worked great to enrich the
already wealthy, it's been a disaster for the working American though.
Tanner's grandfather was in my ward in California.... I know the family to
be good people. So I have no issues of possibly supporting Tanner in his
efforts. But there is some misleading over partisanized rhetoric here as well.
For example the idea that being a "conservative" state some how means
that a state is not increasing it's debt. Just as every home owner knows,
you can have a "balanced budget" but also take on incredible debt. While I agree with the concept of a balanced budget - just as many
democratic led states have the provision as do republican states, it should not
be inferred as the state isn't increasing its debt.Utah has a
good "state" debt to gdp number. But that shows only a partial picture.
How states fund there services and infrastructure varies highly, and when you
add in local debt (counties and cities), Utah is right in the middle of the
pack, just a slightly higher ratio than liberal Oregon. Where that debt lands
on the ledger depends on the state. Utah is no better, no worse than most
states. So Tanner needs to hold off lecturing other states and DC
- unless its about accounting practices.
Small governments/deficits/blah blah blah.I care about lowering
healthcare costsI care about protecting the environmentI care about
campaign finance reformI want a person in congress that will represent me
and not whatever special interest group is paying his campaign bills.All of this talk of conservatism and church and stuff is fine but I want him
to talk about real issues and not this fluffy rhetoric.
pragmatistferlife,In the short term, govt. can run a deficit. But
long term, the debt grows and the need to pay interest pushes out other
budgetary items until interest payments become a large part of public spending.
Also, mounting debt can spur inflation. The hard truth is that deficits do
"Most importantly, while conservative, small-government policies are often
criticized as heartless and serving only those at the top"Written like a true Republican playing the mythical song while running for
congress.It amazes me that so many have deluded themselves into
believing that the average Republican actually does things to make the
government smaller.What does "smaller government" mean
anyway.It certainly cant be less government spending. That never
happens under GOP leadership (or any other leadership for that matter).It just gets shifted around while taxes are cut.
If your dad takes Hayward away from Utah you can forget about winning
What party is he representing? It certainly isn't the Republican Party
where I spent from 8 AM to 3 PM with 750 delegates from all over the 3rd
District in a culminating event. Where was Ainge?All 11 candidates
there worked hard to communicate their platforms and thoughts with voters
throughout the 3rd District the past six weeks. Where was Ainge?At a dozen debates discussing the issues,...Where was
Ainge?Elitist? Arrogant? Forming his own party? Abrogating the rules
of the party he claims to represent or wants to?Where is Ainge?Hopefully voters will hold him accountable for being against a real
"Like other fiscally conservative states, Utah's constitution requires
a balanced budget. Spending that exceeds income will eventually lead to
financial ruin, always and forever"This alone should disqualify
Mr. Ainge, simply because of it's embarrassing lack of understanding about
the difference between personal budgets, state budgets, and the federal
budget.If the United States had been hamstrung with a requirement to
have a "balanced budget" the entire world would have not slipped but
rocketed into a world crushing depression in 2008. To have such an
experience so recently in our past and then to tout balanced budget is
absolutely disqualifying, and frankly scary.
Only thing that matters -- Would Mr. Ainge have an independent spine
and be willing to stand up to Donald Trump, or would he simply cave,
and just be a GOP rubber stamp like all the others?
This guy really makes a lot of sense to me. I could easily see myself pulling
the lever for him if I was a Utah resident in his district. Does anyone know if
he voted for President Trump or not?
I ask Mr Ainge ( and the rest), what is your stand on the State taking over
No problems with Mr. Ainge's comments, but I deeply question the motives pf
the Deseret News editors publishing this the day of the Republican State
Convention where Mr. Ainge is one of many contenders for nomination to fill the
vacant 3rd Congressional District seat.If the editors want to make
their voice heard on selecting candidates, go to your neighborhood caucus and
get elected as a delegate, per Republican Party rules. Or, at least have the
decency to wait for candidates to spend big buck advertising to get on the
ballet per the "count my vote" scam where heavy advertising and biased
media influence picks candidates instead of party activists.
A well-stated but very limited view of society's situation. The dominant
tendency in our nation and in the world is wealth and income concentration at
the top 10% and especially 1%. There is every indication this will continue,
and even accelerate. What will be the consequences? One will be an
increasingly dictatorial style of government globally as the privileged put down
working class rebellion. We will get the dictatorial government Ainge
dislikes.I see no indication Ainge knows distribution is a problem.
I like Tanner so far. I would like some hard facts about him. Did he vote for
I always get a kick out of it when people who want small government seek to
enlarge it with themselves.
Very well said Tanner! The rest of the country could benefit from giving
sincere attention to everything that makes Utah work so well. Good luck in
your run for office. I'm pretty sure they do it in Chicago, but is there a
way this Arizonan can cast his vote in Utah for you? ;)
The best re-cap of Tanner's claims for Utah and his policies is an article
in Bloomberg. Megan Mcardle, does a pretty good job of looking at
why Utah and Salt Lake are ranked among the places for highest mobility. Her
conclusion rests mostly on one thing..the Mormon church. The Mormon
church does a few things for society that are very similar to the successful
European countries (Scandinavian). First they put a floor on
poverty for a huge swath of the population.Secondly, they provide a
very homogenous environment where people are more likely to help and work with
people who look like them.Thirdly they provide a natural community
for cooperation. Lastly some of their doctrine do seem to be
consistent with success in life. Something that is always missed in
these discussions which routinely include small govt. and low tax policies
claims, is the Mormon church imposes a 10% + tax on their members to fund all
this. What could the state do with an additional 10% from
everyone...I know, I know waste it. Not likely.
Could not agree more! If the Federal Government began to apply some of this
thinking, I would have a lot more hope for the future of my children and
grandchildren. Good luck Mr. Ainge!
"The big heart, small government approach of Utah is thriving and achieving
the best outcomes in America. It is time to raise a powerful voice from our
state to apply the same principles in our nation’s capitol and
communities."What? Utah's "small government" is a
misnomer. How many Utah government departments are a complete mess? UTA is under
Federal investigation. UDOT is operating on borrowed money. The DABC is failing
despite record sales. Utah has wasted tens of millions on unwinnable lawsuits
regarding gay rights and public land transfers. We are getting taxed to death by
our Republican run government. Plus, the Utah GOP is broke and deep in debt.
Utah may be a small state in population, but our government is overgrown and
bloated. It is not a model to copy.