BYU football receives commitments from three more prospects

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  • TouchdownUtes Salt Lake City, UT
    June 19, 2017 2:16 p.m.

    This notion that BYU is "about equal" to the Utes in 2016 is ridiculous. How does a Cougar fan justify that despite having an identical record with Utah (9-4) that BYU wasn't ranked in the 3 major college football polls (AP, CFP, and Coaches), and yet Utah was ranked in the Top 25 in all 3? In other words, what do Cougar fans know that somehow the college football world outside of Provo doesn't?

    Best wishes to these new recruits (except when they play the Utes of course)....

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 19, 2017 1:13 p.m.

    @Time2Play - Veradale, WA

    I'm glad there are great kids like these that want to play for a great program with a remarkable staff and a great reputation. It's not easy to find players who commit to live by such high standards today, but they will be rewarded.

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    Actually it is pretty easy to find players who commit to live by such high standards today.

    In fact, KS recruited those players at Utah and Oregon State.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 19, 2017 10:23 a.m.

    WACerUtah's Little Brother:

    Really? You actually combed through 51 posts, just to categorize them by fanbase?

    Wow! Talk about "obsessed".

    P.S.: See my June 16, 2017 post at 8:53 p.m. to bemorefair. It isn't Ute fans who are nervous. It's the "midmajors forever" who've been losers of 6 in a row, 11 of 14, two-thirds of the last quarter century, and have the quarter century deficit in the all-time series. You keep pointing the finger at us, but you're not fooling anyone. We can clearly see how frightened you really are. It really is that obvious. How miserable for you.

  • Lone*Star Austin, TX
    June 18, 2017 3:39 p.m.

    801

    Those high standards are lived more rigorously than by any other group of college athletes in the country.

  • EightOhOne St. George, UT
    June 18, 2017 11:58 a.m.

    @ Time2Play - Veradale, WA

    oh trust me, those "high standards" aren't being lived as much as you think. i've personally seen things that are on the contrary. let's just say that the incident where a "certain linebacker" who was spotted somewhere doing things he agreed not to do, is a lot more common than people think

  • Time2Play Veradale, WA
    June 17, 2017 11:39 p.m.

    I have to say, I'm really impressed with all of the statistics that people look up for these conversations. I just don't have time to look up such "important things" about the BYU and Utah rivalry, thanks for doing it for me. The percentage of how much time one team has held the lead in the rivalry over the past several years? Not weird at all and VERY important to know...

    I'm glad there are great kids like these that want to play for a great program with a remarkable staff and a great reputation. It's not easy to find players who commit to live by such high standards today, but they will be rewarded.

  • WalkerTexas Ranger Greeley, CO
    June 17, 2017 7:44 a.m.

    23 of 51 posts on this article negatively portraying BYU and the work Kalani has set in motion. The nervousness on the hill is growing....sigh

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    June 17, 2017 6:49 a.m.

    Whitles must be the greatest of all time.

    After all he's developed so many OC's.

    At #9 out of the last 10 years, I bet Taylor doesn't last either.

    Let's talk about Utah LaCross. LOL

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 16, 2017 8:54 p.m.

    Riverton Cougar:

    "Let's not forget that BYU had their fair share of mistakes and turnovers as well..."

    Let's ALSO not forget that Utah beat your WACish and midmajory program 6 times in a row, and all but 3 games over these past 15-yrs! That amounts to an ENORMOUS edge to your big brother on the hill. And all those wins came DESPITE that game being your "Super Bowl", whereas Utah treats as nothing more than just another non-conference game vs. an unranked FBS opponent. You guys come out "fired up" for this game, whereas our guys have been seen texting and tweeting on their cell phones on the sidelines.

    Here's another fun fact for you: Since leaving the MWC...

    (1) There had been 300-min of game played.
    (2) Utah held the lead for a total of 253-min, 30-sec -- or 84.5% of all minutes played.
    (3) The cougars held the lead for only 9-min, 40-sec -- or merely 3.2% of all minutes played.

    So 84.5% for Utah; 3.2% for little bro.

    HUGE edge: Utah.

    Yes, we really ARE that much better. How miserable for you.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 16, 2017 8:53 p.m.

    bemorefair:

    The reason there are so many insecure cougar fans posting fantasies about Ute fans being insecure is to assuage the anguish of their OWN insecurities over the reality that not only had Utah already passed their program by, but had done so nearly 2 decades BEFORE we had been invited to join the very conference that they had been fantasizing about having had "secret negotiations" with since -- at the very LEAST -- the 1980s. And if Utah could reclaim their station as "best in state" while still a midmajor, just imagine how wide gap between our two programs would be expected to grow now that we're a bonafide P5 program! What a terribly frightening situation you all find yourselves in. Hence, your permanent vacation into the world of "make believe".

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 16, 2017 8:14 p.m.

    @Riverton

    3-9 Arizona 16
    BYU 18

    So, BYU is soooooo much better because they managed to win by 2 points because of a timeout? Wow, that's impressive.

    Unlike Arizona, Utah is top 25 P5 program.

  • CO Ute PARKER, CO
    June 16, 2017 7:59 p.m.

    @bemorefair - I really like you posts, I usually get a real laugh out loud moment. Please tell us more about the great rating BYU has on the 2019 recruiting and then follow up with more on the greatness of Sitake.

    For the real BYU fans, it looks like you got a group of kids with good character and potential to be good college football players. As far as comments about recruiting classes, I will wait until the classes are actually signed before a final evaluation.

  • bemorefair Villanueva, NM
    June 16, 2017 3:48 p.m.

    The reason there are so many insecure Ute fans posting here is because they know how good a coach Kalani is. He's every bit the coach Kyle is but also far more personable and he is the center of the college football universe for the Polynesian community. He is a magnet for BYU recruiting. The best Polynesian players are committing to BYU football in droves.

    And he's just getting started.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    June 16, 2017 2:02 p.m.

    "Scared? Of a team whose biggest accomplishment in 7 years is a one point loss at RES despite +3 in TOs?"

    @Uteology

    I'm so glad the higher-ups in college football designated you to determine what are a team's biggest accomplishments. Thank goodness for your knowledge and wisdom or we would all be lost!

    @Naval

    "Just accept it! You guys got beat straight up, and DESPITE our turning the ball over 6 times. Utah really IS that much better than the Y."

    So, Utah is soooooo much better because they managed to win by 1 point on a botched call? Wow, that's impressive. Let's not forget that BYU had their fair share of mistakes and turnovers as well, yet managed to keep the game extremely close against a team that "really IS that much better".

    "That much better"... One point better against a team in their 2nd game breaking in a brand new HC, OC, DC, offense, and defense, not to mention at home. That is sooooooo much better I can't even fathom it! However, it appears we have to defer our facts to the opinions of the "designated experts" like yourself and Uteology, right?

  • Jackie Treehorn St George, UT
    June 16, 2017 12:02 p.m.

    Striker: "I have no idea of the validity or accuracy of your list, but it's common knowledge he can develop next level talent in abundance."

    Common knowledge should be able to be supported by evidence; claiming "common knowledge" in and of itself is not evidence. The validity and accuracy of my list comes from two resources: 1) knowing which coaches were in charge of which recruiting regions. Sitake recruited primarily the islands, non-local JUCOs, and eventually Florida as a Utah coach. And 2) many of the recruiting services list whom the recruit indicates as their primary recruiter.

    Like I said, Sitake's a great guy with awesome energy, and I think has a chance to be very good at BYU and anywhere else he decides to go. But the bravado of claims how Utah lost so much in recruiting and development when he left and now all of it is at BYU is mind-boggling to me where people came up with it, especially since Utah's had 2 of their 3 best-rated recruiting classes in history in the 2 years since he left.

  • Jackie Treehorn St George, UT
    June 16, 2017 11:50 a.m.

    Deep Blue: "Don't even try to argue that Whittingham was 'responsible for developing' that talent.
    Everyone who knows anything about college football
    knows that Head Coaches are primarily ADMINISTRATORS.
    They simply don't have time to work one-on-one with players.
    That's why they DELEGATE that responsibility to Assistant Coaches."

    See my previous post. The same principle goes for coordinators as well. You can't give credit to him for "developing" all the great DL and DBs Utah had while he was there. The group he coached all 10 years was the LBs, who were frequently the weak spot of the defense and had far fewer players go onto NFL careers. So you can't have this argument both ways.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 16, 2017 9:21 a.m.

    bemorefair:

    "...they were one botched play call from losing to a brand new coaching staff."

    OR...

    ...Utah was one botched play away from beating the cougars by an even LARGER margin. Don't forget -- the cougars failed on EVERY single 2-pt conversion they attempted back in 2016, so your failure to convert was hardly a "botched play". At BEST, it was a "botched call" -- as in you should have kicked the PAT. And don't forget also that Hill got NOWHERE on that play.

    But Utah on the other hand was just INCHES away from a 1st down, deep inside your redzone. And that was because the runner had BARELY misjudged the 1st down marker on 3rd down, when running out of bounds. So on 4th-&-inches, Whittingham opted to kick the FG, rather than go for it on 4th, like he did TWICE vs. USC! Whittingham knew that Utah had that game in the bag, so he saw no need to go for it. But had he gone for it, the most probable scenerio would be that Utah converts, and not only burns more clock, but also gets a TD out of it, rather than a FG.

    Just accept it! You guys got beat straight up, and DESPITE our turning the ball over 6 times. Utah really IS that much better than the Y.

  • bemorefair Villanueva, NM
    June 16, 2017 9:02 a.m.

    Uteology -

    "What I said was he hasn't developed squat since leaving Utah."

    Such disrespect for a former Ute coach. As if Kalani forgot how to coach once he left Utah. LOL The thoughts that form in Ute fans heads just because your beloved coach switched schools.... CUCKOO!

    And it's funny that Ute fans are so dismissive of BYU's one-point loss in SLC last year. Sure, Utah won, but they were one botched play call from losing to a brand new coaching staff. It was a virtual tie. It's not like it was some sort of beat down on the road. And since you brag so much about your "NFL talent", why is it Utah had so many more draft picks than BYU but barely won at home? And you think you're going to lose all that talent, especially on the OL, and you're going to win on the road in Provo, where Utah has only won twice in the last 11 years? Utah will be starting over again on offense, and BYU has Ty Detmer in year 2 of a pro-style offense designed to highlight Tanner Mangum's elite skillset. BYU's D is likely improved over last year D which was #9 vs the run. Credit goes to Sitake, who has been bringing in enormous Poly talent on both lines. But hey, Kalani was only good at Utah, right? LOL

  • Dan Smith Phoenix, AZ
    June 16, 2017 8:40 a.m.

    Jackie -

    "Dan Smith: "First I'm shocked that DN allowed your reference to shooting"

    Lighten up, Francis. It's a centuries-old expression."

    Oh, well since it's centuries-old why question it. If it was good for flat earth people in the middle ages, it must be fine for us today.

    No, what I was hoping for was a little decorum, but apparently everyone wants the freedom of speech and expression without the responsibility or consequences of those freedoms. A responsible someone would have not used that expression understanding the circumstances that had just occurred.

    In this "me oriented" snowflake world we're living in, I guess expecting people to act with decorum is...what's that centuries old expression again? Oh yeah. A pipe dream.

    And thanks for respecting me enough to use my name instead of calling me "Francis" whatever that was supposed to prove.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 15, 2017 11:55 p.m.

    @DeepBlue

    Nope, the closest BYU has come to beating a top 25 P5 program is a one point loss despite getting 6 TOs.

    Teams like Washinton and Texas were never ranked, you beat those teams 40% of the time.

    The last time you beat a ranked P5 team was in 1996, just 3-27 10% since 1990.

    I didn't say Sitake wasn't a good coach, specially as Utah's DC. What I said was he hasn't developed squat since leaving Utah.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    June 15, 2017 9:12 p.m.

    Ygrad ydad

    I'm doing well and I hope you're doing well too. I wish all the best for these recruits, peace brother

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    June 15, 2017 8:41 p.m.

    Uteology

    "Scared? Of a team whose biggest accomplishment in 7 years is a one point loss at RES"

    Don't flatter yourself.

    Beating Washington, Texas (twice), Georgia Tech, Houston, Boise St, Utah St, Nebraska, Cincinnati, Michigan St, Mississippi St and Ole Miss were all MUCH bigger accomplishments than losing a few nail-biters to that BYU-obsessed team on the hill.

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    June 15, 2017 8:33 p.m.

    Uteology

    "So you agree that he hasn't proven that "he can develop next level talent in abundance"?"

    Kalani Sitake, Utah (2005-14)
    Assistant Head Coach, Defensive Coordinator, Linebackers (2012-14)
    Defensive Coordinator, Linebackers (2009-11)
    Linebackers (2005-08)

    Unless you're cluelessly trying to claim that Utah didn't develop

    ANY next level defensive talent from 2005 to 2014,

    your entire narrative is utterly absurd.

    Don't even try to argue that Whittingham was "responsible for developing" that talent.

    Everyone who knows anything about college football

    knows that Head Coaches are primarily ADMINISTRATORS.

    They simply don't have time to work one-on-one with players.

    That's why they DELEGATE that responsibility to Assistant Coaches.

    From the ever-increasing responsibilities Whittingham gave Sitake,

    it's obvious to everyone, except, apparently, you,

    that Whittingham had complete trust in Kalani to DEVELOP the talent

    that Kyle, and the rest of his staff, worked so hard to recruit.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 15, 2017 7:19 p.m.

    @Riverton Cougar - Riverton, UT

    Scared? Of a team whose biggest accomplishment in 7 years is a one point loss at RES despite +3 in TOs?

    So you agree that he hasn't proven that "he can develop next level talent in abundance"? Instead KW, your first choice as coach, has.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    June 15, 2017 4:10 p.m.

    Frankly I don't care what the usual suspects think of these players or BYU in general. Best of luck to them and welcome.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    June 15, 2017 3:28 p.m.

    "Sitake since leaving Utah hasn't developed squat."

    Ok...... since leaving Utah he has been at 2 schools, each one for one year. Of course he hasn't developed much, he hasn't had time to, unless you want to count Hill, Williams, and Kaufusi as his developed talent.

    "If or when he does, look for bigger football programs come calling."

    Ah, the ultimate hope of the haters: any bad news for BYU. A good coach leaving, a good player transferring, anything that these haters can lean on to ease their inferiority complex. They're scared that an unproven new head coach, with a brand new unproven OC and DC, installing new offenses and defenses in their 2nd game together was neck and neck with Utah at RES. Next year the game is in Provo and that BYU team is more comfortable in their offensive and defensive schemes.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 15, 2017 2:23 p.m.

    @Striker - Omaha, NE
    June 15, 2017 12:42 p.m.
    "Utah football stars during Sitake's tenure and their primary recruiters:"

    I have no idea of the validity or accuracy of your list, but it's common knowledge he can develop next level talent in abundance.

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    Nope, that is incorrect. It is common knowledge that Kyle Whittingham can develop NFL talent in abundance, he's done it with and without Sitake.

    Sitake since leaving Utah hasn't developed squat. If or when he does, look for bigger football programs come calling.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 15, 2017 2:23 p.m.

    BleedCougarBlue:

    “My point was that Steve Young was nowhere near a ‘blue chip’ high school athlete when he was being recruited by colleges”

    You still don’t get it, do you? The POINT is whether or not Steve Young WAS, or was NOT, a “one-star” kid, as gchris insisted.

    I say he wasn’t. So unless you’re saying that he WAS, then you HAVE no point. You can’t just “imagine” an argument that was never made, and then refute it. That’s called a “straw man”. Did you just invent a “straw man”, or are you suggesting that Young was in fact a 1-star kid coming out of high school?

    “Why do I say all this? Simply to refute YOUR claims that all that matters is 'stars'.”

    I just showed provided you all the necessary Google keywords to read that article, and no, my name is not Stuart Mandel. And FWIW, if you’re so certain that star ratings don’t really matter, then why is it that none of your 2-star kids got drafted several weeks back? The only ones who got drafted were the ones with 3 or more stars.

    Read that article. Then you’ll see. Stars matter.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    June 15, 2017 1:55 p.m.

    The Cougars don't really care about the "star" rating. They focus on:
    Is the player a relative of someone on the coaching staff?
    If not, is the player a relative of a past player?
    If yes, make an offer.

    Its a system that keeps the recruiting ranking on a flat line since the MWC days.

  • Gruncle Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    June 15, 2017 1:54 p.m.

    @YGrad/YDad

    Naval Vet - Philadelphia, PA
    June 15, 2017 8:40 a.m.
    Y Grad / Y Dad:

    "Naval Vet will tell us who he hasn't had offers from...and give us his lowest star ranking at no extra charge."

    I don't cherry pick the lowest possible star ranking. You just made that up.....blah, blah, blah, blah...

    -------------

    Bwahahahaha!!! Thanks YGrad, that was the funniest post I've read all year! Pegged him pretty good. Hooo-hoooooooo! He got so frantic and emotional he then went and posted rants another half dozen times just on this article! It's thanks to guys like him that BYU articles are the most read and commented on topics for local media online. This is why they always give more coverage to BYU sports than to ute sports.

    Nominated for POTY!!!

  • BleedCougarBlue Enid, OK
    June 15, 2017 1:51 p.m.

    @ Naval Vet -

    My point was that Steve Young was nowhere near a "blue chip" high school athlete when he was being recruited by colleges and look how his career ended up....#2 in the Heisman voting, NFC and NVL MVP, Super Bowl winner, Super Bowl MVP, etc, etc and now in the NFL HOF on his first attempt. Why do I say all this? Simply to refute YOUR claims that all that matters is 'stars'. And, yes, that is all you Utah fans ever talk about when it comes to recruiting....how many stars a player has merited to him.

    If that isn't clear enough you'll have to ask someone else to 'splain it to you.

  • Gruncle Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    June 15, 2017 1:43 p.m.

    Not sure about the 2 local kids but I watched highlight vids on Nasilai and it looked like I was watching clips of the movie "The Waterboy" the way he was going berserk on the field. The play calls should be pretty easy with him on defense, just point to the QB and say, "Hulk Smash!"

    Congrats to the players! We look forward to seeing you on the field!!! Go Cougars!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 15, 2017 1:26 p.m.

    WalkerTexas Ranger:

    "...Ute fans coming on a BYU article touting more great recruiting shows undoubted nervousness.....lol"

    Because we're nervous that the cougars' recruiting model of "holding fire sales on scholarships for all the unheralded 2-star athletes" way early in the recruiting season would result in all the 2-star kids having been already snapped up come January/February, thus leaving us with only the 3- and 4-star kids instead?

    What a delusional fantasy you've invented for yourself.

    #CougarLogic

  • WalkerTexas Ranger Greeley, CO
    June 15, 2017 12:49 p.m.

    Certain Ute fans coming on a BYU article touting more great recruiting (posting six times)shows undoubted nervousness.....lol

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    June 15, 2017 12:42 p.m.

    "Utah football stars during Sitake's tenure and their primary recruiters:"

    I have no idea of the validity or accuracy of your list, but it's common knowledge he can develop next level talent in abundance. Add Ed Lamb, a man who had many SUU players land in the NFL and BYU is in really great shape.

    Sheriff Sitake does not mess around!

  • EightOhOne St. George, UT
    June 15, 2017 12:34 p.m.

    Way to go Brooks!! Congrats, can't wait to see you suiting up on Saturdays

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 15, 2017 12:20 p.m.

    BleedCougarBlue:

    "All this as a QB spells 'coaches across the country didn't think he had much talent'."

    I don't how many institutions offered Young a spot on their roster, but I do know that North Carolina offered him a scholarship to play QB, and they don't really recruit that many unheralded signal callers. In fact, UNC signed only 4 QBs ranked below 3-stars over the past 16-yrs, and none since 2009. Most of them were 4-star kids.

  • Jackie Treehorn St George, UT
    June 15, 2017 12:06 p.m.

    Cont'd.

    Utah football stars during Sitake's tenure and their primary recruiters:

    Andersen (05-09): Matt Asiata*, Stevenson Sylvester*, Dave Kruger, Sealver Siliga*
    Odum (05-07): Derrick Shelby*, Brandon Burton*, Jereme Brooks
    Roderick (05-14): Koa Misi*, RJ Stanford*, Aiona Key, Kenneth Scott, Travis Wilson
    Dickey (05-09): Caleb Schlauderaff*
    Schramm (05-11): Sam Brenner*, Dres Anderson
    Hill (05-13): Star Lotulelei*, Joe Kruger*, Nate Fakahafua (Orchard)*, Isaac Asiata*, Tenny Palepoi*, CJ Poutasi*, JJ Dielman*, Chase Hansen, Devontae Booker*, Filipo Mokofisi
    Pease (09-10): Brian Blechen, Jared Norris*
    Scalley (08-14): Keith McGill*, Eric Rowe*, Brian Allen*, Leka Uhatafe, Sam Tevi*, Marcus Williams*
    Erickson (13-14): Kaelin Clay*

    Sitake (05-14): Robert Johnson*, Shaky Smithson, John White, Hunter Dimick

    *NFL active roster experience/draft pick

    Yes, he was undoubtedly very valuable in helping secure a number of stars, but his track record as a recruiter at Utah was filled much more with guys that didn't pan out than did. If you wanted the best in-state and LDS recruiter, should've gone after Jay Hill.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 15, 2017 12:08 p.m.

    BleedCougarBlue:

    “gchris” claimed that Steve Young was a “one-star recruit” and that Brian Urlacher was a “walk-on”. But star ratings weren’t done on high school football players back when Young and Urlacher were playing, so they couldn’t have possibly been awarded only 1-star. Additionally, Urlacher was always a scholarship kid. And therefore, “gchris” DID in fact just make that stuff up. He was wrong, and I called him out on it.

    You on the other hand failed to either support gchris’ assertion, or attempted to refute mine. And yet you addressed me specifically to argue a point that had never even been disputed. Your response to me was as nonsensical as if I were to respond to say, “Oh yeah? Well Alex Smith was a #1 Draft pick.” Sure, that little factoid would be “true”, but it really had nothing to do with whether or not Young and/or Urlacher were “one-star recruits” and/or “walk-ons”.

    So what was the point of your post?

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 15, 2017 12:05 p.m.

    Dan Smith:

    “Shoot the messenger” predates what happened in Virginia by several centuries, so only the extremely hypersensitive would be offended by such a remark.

    And FWIW, there isn’t a real parallel between “shooting the messenger” and “shooting a legislator”. That was a desperate reach. The former is a “1st Amendment” matter. The latter was a misuse of the the “2nd”.

  • london_josh lincoln, CA
    June 15, 2017 12:02 p.m.

    If I see a smiling 17 year old kid who make Kalani look small, I smile, forget the stars, I smile :)

  • Jackie Treehorn St George, UT
    June 15, 2017 11:58 a.m.

    Dan Smith: "First I'm shocked that DN allowed your reference to shooting"

    Lighten up, Francis. It's a centuries-old expression.

    bemorefair, I like Coach Sitake a lot, really great dude. But one of the funniest phenomena I've noticed since his hiring is how his accomplishments at Utah become better and better the longer he's been gone with fans claiming how many of Utah's current and former players "he" recruited and "he" coached into the NFL.

    In his 10 years at Utah, the only position he coached was LB (yes, he was DC for 6 years, but even DCs don't coach other positions). Despite rotating through several corner, safety, and defensive line coaches those 10 years, every one of those positions outperformed and had many more players reach the NFL compared with his LBs. And as a recruiter in that time frame, what star players was he the lead recruiter for?

  • kaysvillecougar KAYSVILLE, UT
    June 15, 2017 11:43 a.m.

    YDAD/YGRAD. That may have been the funniest post I have read in a year. Naval Vet, don't feel to bad or get your dander up. I knew you would be reading it and am not surprised to see three comments in rapid fire succession. Regardless of what the heel nippers say, these guys are great pick-ups for the cougars. GO COUGARS!!!!

  • BleedCougarBlue Enid, OK
    June 15, 2017 11:20 a.m.

    Hey Naval Vet, I don't know how many stars Steve Young had or even if they had 'stars' for a rating system back then, but I do know Steve Young admitted he did not know, as a running/option QB, how to throw correctly when he showed up at BYU. I also know he started his BYU career 8th on the QB depth chart. I also know they temporarily moved him to DB. All this as a QB spells "coaches across the country didn't think he had much talent".

    I also know he is now in the NFL Hall of Fame.

    Or do you want to dispute that, too?

  • PDX_CougarFan Milwaukie, OR
    June 15, 2017 11:04 a.m.

    I appreciate kids who want to play for BYU. I wish them the best. I don't, however, think that we have one of the best recruiting classes in the country because ours is pretty large compared to a lot of universities. They will fill their scholarships and then the rankings will be adjusted. Our average star ranking isn't amazing, but there are definitely kids who will outperform their ranking--especially kids in the 2019 class.

    As for Naval Vet, I'm not sure his use of "frantic and emotional" is accurate, but I don't mind him helping BYU generate the most commented stories on the Deseret News!

  • Dan Smith Phoenix, AZ
    June 15, 2017 10:32 a.m.

    Naval Vet

    "Shoot the messenger much?"

    First I'm shocked that DN allowed your reference to shooting anyone considering this day and age and what happened to Republicans in Virginia.

    Second, it's easy to dislike the messenger when the messenger disparages your team over, and over, and over, and over in a frantic and emotional mocking of another team for personal benefit.

    Really it's quite simple. Quit bashing BYU and just cheer for your team. No one hates, everyone respects.

    Peace!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 15, 2017 9:44 a.m.

    gchris:

    “When someone can tell me how one-star recruits like Steve Young or walk-ons like Brian Urlacher become All-Americans and four-star recruits like Jake Heaps are such busts, I'll buy in.“

    First of all, neither Steve Young nor Brian Urlacher were either “1-star” athletes OR “walk-ons”. You just made that up. How frantic and emotional of you.

    Second, the answer to your question had already been published over a year ago, when Stewart Mandel wrote on “foxsports” his Feb. 1, 2016 article “3 debunked recruiting myths that prove Signing Day is crucial”. There he debunked the “Star rankings don’t matter” myth.

    Well…now you know.

  • bemorefair Villanueva, NM
    June 15, 2017 9:43 a.m.

    Look, another Ute looking to mock Kalani Sitake's recruiting.

    cjd1 - Draper, UT
    June 15, 2017 12:12 a.m.
    Wow! BYU's scout ranking just went from # 62 to # 61.

    Actually, cjd1, BYU went from #33 to #31 in the last 24 hours. Rankings are easy to find. (Well, for some of us.) #31 is much higher than it has been in quite some time. BYU's 2019 class is ranked even higher.

    Ute fans should understand better than anyone just how good Kalani is at his job. His track record speaks for itself. (Also, don't forget how good he has been at finding four-star talent listed as two-stars or no-stars.)

    Just because you are in denial about BYU's recruiting being so good right now doesn't mean it isn't true. BYU recruiting is straight fire right now.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 15, 2017 9:25 a.m.

    Cougsndawgs:

    "He's 3 stars according to Rivals so we won't have to listen to any of the 2 star bogus from the typical haters."

    Oliver Nasilai is, but Tysen Lewis isn't, so it looks like you're gonna have to listen to my "2-star" tune after all. Haha!

    * Ahem *

    Per Rivals, Tysen Lewis should fit right in down there in Provo, since he has only 2-stars.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 15, 2017 8:40 a.m.

    Y Grad / Y Dad:

    "Naval Vet will tell us who he hasn't had offers from...and give us his lowest star ranking at no extra charge."

    I don't cherry pick the lowest possible star ranking. You just made that up. How frantic and emotional of you. I only cite what Rivals says. So I couldn't possibly give the lowest star ranking, as I'm not the one responsible for assigning them. If you have a problem with the number of "2-star" kids in Provo, then your issue isn't with me. It's with either Rivals -- for ranking them so low -- or the Y's coaching staff -- for recruiting so many low-ranked athletes.

    Shoot the messenger much?

  • gchris rock springs, wy
    June 15, 2017 7:33 a.m.

    The folks who do the ratings of recruits--three stars, four stars, etc.--have their opinion, Sitake has his and knows what kind of player he wants for his system and the unique culture of BYU. When someone can tell me how one-star recruits like Steve Young or walk-ons like Brian Urlacher become All-Americans and four-star recruits like Jake Heaps are such busts, I'll buy in. Until then, I'll trust the judgment of Sitake and Detmer.

  • BYUalum South Jordan, UT
    June 15, 2017 6:50 a.m.

    Kalani Sitaki is the best medicine that BYU football ever had since LaVell Edwards. Look at those smiles of all. Welcome aboard!! We're looking forward to a great season.

    Go BYU Cougars!

  • cjd1 Draper, UT
    June 15, 2017 12:12 a.m.

    Wow! BYU's scout ranking just went from # 62 to # 61.

  • Cougarista Salt Lake City, UT
    June 14, 2017 8:55 p.m.

    Once someone commits with the certainty that Nasilai did, the rating systems generally ignore the player. Coach Sitaki did well.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    June 14, 2017 6:38 p.m.

    Spokane Ute - no need to report on his other offers. Naval Vet will tell us who he hasn't had offers from, define yet again the clear distinction between offers and lots of interest, and give us his lowest star ranking at no extra charge.

    The speed with which he does it will be directly and inversely proportional to the number of positive comments by cougar fans.

    How have you been, brother?!?! I hope all is well in the heart of the Inland Empire!

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    June 14, 2017 6:35 p.m.

    Spokane:
    If you go to his Rivals page it lists them all...ASU, Arkansas, Ark St, and Utah but it looks like Oklahoma St and BYU are the only ones that actually offered to this point. I'm sure others will come. He's 3 stars according to Rivals so we won't have to listen to any of the 2 star bogus from the typical haters.

    This kid is big but moves really well. Wouldn't surprise me to see him end up on the DL before it's all said and done.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    June 14, 2017 5:13 p.m.

    Could they at least let everyone know who else was recruiting the lad?

    Best of luck to the kid!

  • Blue Collar Huntington, UT
    June 14, 2017 4:44 p.m.

    This kid is a Beast!
    Glad to have you young man!

    Poly Pipeline is BACK!

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    June 14, 2017 4:16 p.m.

    Welcome aboard!