Letter: Don't bother

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  • Lia Sandy, UT
    June 16, 2017 11:55 a.m.

    Thid, lost, et al-
    There are some very intelligent and well-thought posts here.
    Shouldn't you be over on 'Breitbart"?

  • Lia Sandy, UT
    June 16, 2017 11:36 a.m.

    If ANY trump say ANYTHING, it is always wise to believe the exact opposite.

  • Prometheus Platypus Orem, UT
    June 16, 2017 11:04 a.m.

    lost in DC claims: platypus "childish to defend yourself when someone starts punching you or throwing rocks at you?"

    Nice try but you said, and I quoted: "There may have even been times trump supporters may have even thrown the first punch - after significant provocation from the left."

    Throwing the first punch, means they had not been touched at all, key word "first."
    You tried to spin it, as if they were being punched or having rocks thrown at them, but that is not what you said at all, is it.

    Your reply was consistent with our presidents approach to honesty though, and that's why many don't bother to engage.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    June 16, 2017 8:24 a.m.

    Frozen

    my apologies

    thank you

    I guess your voice of reason was drowned out by the usual attacks from the rest of the left

  • Occidentali Los Angeles, CA
    June 15, 2017 10:12 p.m.

    Focusing on Trump like he was operating within a vacuum during the elections distorts the full picture. None of the supposed "speech crimes" were unprovoked. He won the election in a brawl. If everything said in private were made public, no one could get elected. No one is perfect. The obsession with Trump's supposed unfitness is unnatural.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    June 15, 2017 5:33 p.m.

    @lost in DC
    "I've yet to see any condemnation of that act by any liberal posters on these boards."

    My first comment on the matter in these boards called the shooter a terrorist (after all the definition of terrorism most closely associates with politically motivated attacks) and the lowest of the low.

    @Nunn24
    "First, Mr. Kahn unjustly attacked Mr. Trump. "

    Trump called for banning Muslims from entering the country (soon clarified to non-American Muslims, and of course eventually after being elected it turned into a ban from some countries which is more in line with what Ted Cruz was calling for, but initially his statement was clear, he read the written statement ).

    "Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on. "

    That was on his campaign website until early May 2017.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    June 15, 2017 3:54 p.m.

    platypus

    childish to defend yourself when someone starts punching you or throwing rocks at you?

    I think not.

    childish to defend those around you when they are threatened?

    I think not.

    The weaker argument or bully resorts to physical violence

    Correct, that is why in the vast majority of cases, the left started the violence at the trump rallies, because they are used to being able to bully their way through or could not fathom that someone would have opinions not in synch with theirs.

  • Prometheus Platypus Orem, UT
    June 15, 2017 1:55 p.m.

    "There may have even been times trump supporters may have even thrown the first punch - after significant provocation from the left."

    This is the epitome of childish, as one of the first things taught (most children) is to use your words not your fists. The weaker argument or bully resorts to physical violence.

  • Nunn24 Salt Lake City, UT
    June 15, 2017 1:39 p.m.

    In keeping with the Leftist standard of untruthfulness, the letter-writer does bear a false witness.

    First, Mr. Kahn unjustly attacked Mr. Trump. Trump duly defended himself. Trump did not "attack" Mr. Kahn.

    "... threatened millions ... simply because of their origin."

    A flat-out lie (and, yes, it is appropriate to identify it as such). Those millions are here illegally, and most of them are in fact showing disrespect for this nation and its laws in other ways as well (these, too, are pertinent facts, DN, like it or not), and should be deported; and the deportees should not abandon their children here, but should take their children with them, thus keeping the family together..

    "...when her father egged on supporters as they were attacking unarmed protestors at his rallies."

    A lie, by omission and distortion. Trump only encouraged audience members to defend themselves and defend other innocent persons, if necessary, against violent physical attack from the Left.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    June 15, 2017 12:52 p.m.

    platypus
    you must really check your sources. I'm sure there were times trump supporters defended themselves, probably quite vigorously, against the violence of the left. There may have even been times trump supporters may have even thrown the first punch - after significant provocation from the left.

    But the vast majority of the time, the violence at his rallies was instigated and started by the left. Something I'm confident your sources would not willingly have disclosed. You would rather trump told his supporters NOT to defend themselves when attacked?

    his comment about hilary - definitely out of line (IF it was as you said)

    I'm glad Bernie has condemned his supporter who shot the congressmen - I've yet to see any condemnation of that act by any liberal posters on these boards.

    I really sorry for liberals on these boards; it seems they really like violence, since they seem to commit and defend it so much

  • Utefan60 Salt Lake City, UT
    June 15, 2017 12:47 p.m.

    It's called cognitive dissonance when the Trump supporters have to tell lies and use fake truths to defend this sickening visible behavior by Donald Trump. The statement made by one poster that Trump protesters attacked Trump supporters is so flagrantly dishonest that I wonder what that poster could have been seeing? Where did honesty go?
    Those types of flat out dishonest statements are truly believed by these people. How they do that is beyond normal behavior.

    I would ask Trump supporters if they would allow their daughter to remain in a locked room for 24 hours with Donald trump? I sure would not allow that to happen. Honest and educated people from both sides see what kind of sickening behavior we as decent Americans are witnessing.

    Trump is as dishonest in his Presidency as he was in his business dealings. (Trump University for example).

    His daughter has received the benefit of wealth from ill gotten business practices and she should realize where this has come from.

  • Prometheus Platypus Orem, UT
    June 15, 2017 11:49 a.m.

    Awe the Trump surrogates out defending the worst president ever again and again, not with any reasoning, but with more justification.

    DC claims: "It was the trump protesters who attacked the trump supporters at his rallies, not the other way around."

    Except for the video of Trumpettes smashing people, and Trump encouraging it,and offering to pay for their legal defense. OR what About Trump calling for someone to use their 2nd Amendment to deal with Hillary? Can you show me where Bernie suggested this? I can show you where Rand Paul said the same thing.

    I feel sorry for anyone close to Trump, but they must really like money, to put up with his petulance.

  • The True Open Minded Mormon Draper, UT
    June 15, 2017 10:47 a.m.

    oh my...someone in MA has been brainwashed by the Left. Try a different news source.

    It's also pathetic that the New York Times is blaming Palin for the attack. The Left has no shame and they never have the truth.

  • HaHaHaHa Othello, WA
    June 15, 2017 10:36 a.m.

    Should have held your tongue a bit longer, and not exposed your blatant agenda, and double standard. I get it. That seething hatred of Trump is hard to control.
    No one needs to defend Trump. He takes care of himself just fine. Although he acts and says a lot of things I would never say or do, he is quite often right on the money. Why are you getting so worked up over what his daughter says? Why attack her?
    Mr Kahn is a sad sack, who allowed himself to be one of the DNC chumps. Thousands of "Gold Star" families in this country, but they don't all become loudmouths and hacks to a political party. He attacked Trump first. Did he not expect a response from Trump. I bet he did, but too bad it backfired on him. He got exposed for being a phony and a fool.
    Lost in DC is right on the money about the rest of the letter. Trump doesn't often start the fight, but he finishes it.

  • Kent C. DeForrest Provo, UT
    June 15, 2017 9:00 a.m.

    Well said. It would probably be easier to list the people and groups of people Trump has not insulted than to list those he has insulted. The latest—misrepresenting the words of London's mayor in the wake of the most recent terrorist attack—was simply embarrassing to the United States. Political discourse has been going downhill for some time, particularly with the GOP's outrageous opposition to President Obama (who, by the way, is looking better all the time), but Trump has pushed us into completely new territory. Ivanka should perhaps look in the family mirror before pointing fingers. Rein in daddy, Ivanka. That would be the best way to improve the situation.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    June 15, 2017 8:21 a.m.

    Matthew
    Allow me to dispel a couple of the Boston Globe / MSNBC myths you are perpetuating.

    Trump is not threatening to deport millions of people based simply on their origin, but because they came here illegally. People from the same origins who respected and obeyed the legal immigration process are more than welcome. I wonder why it is liberals cannot distinguish between legal and illegal immigrants?

    It was the trump protesters who attacked the trump supporters at his rallies, not the other way around.

    And while trump’s attack on the parents whose son died in the military was disgusting, it pales in comparison to totting around a simulation of trump’s severed head or the shooting of GOP congressmen by a Bernie supporter.

  • GingerMarshall Brooklyn, OH
    June 15, 2017 8:05 a.m.

    Thank you.

    This letter is spot on and was, I know, limited by lack of space, not by lack of examples to cite.

  • unrepentant progressive Bozeman, MT
    June 15, 2017 8:05 a.m.

    I don't know Ivanka Trump, and frankly never care to make her acquaintance.

    However, I do sympathize with her a little. How hard it must be to have such a person as a father. Were he not so wealthy, and now powerful, I wonder what any other person would do in such circumstances? It must take a lot of guts to step back and avoid the limelight.