In our opinion: SB 54: Time for the GOP to drop its legal challenge

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  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 18, 2017 2:34 p.m.

    If we're going to get on open vs closed primary...

    Why would Republicans want Democrats or even Independents to pick their general election candidates? I don't get it.

    Why would Democrats or Independents assume it's their job to pick the Republican nominee?

    But SB-54 doesn't address that at all. SB-54 mandates how you get on the party primary ballot. Not who can vote in the Republican primary. Luckily Republican party can still expect you to be a Republican to vote in their primary. I don't know why anybody else would WANT to vote in their primary. I have no desire to vote in a DNC primary or a Green Party primary.

    Why do Democrats care what the Republicans do? Can any Democrat answer that?

    Shouldn't you be focusing on getting better candidates that can win in the General Election... instead of mandating how Republicans get on the Republican Party Primary Ballot?

    I don't care how Democrats get on the Democratic Primary Ballot. Why do Democrats care so much how Republicans pick their primary lineup?

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 18, 2017 10:55 a.m.

    Having a primary to decide who appears on the primary ballot is a good solution. But limit Primary to top-2 vote gitters. More than 2 and nobody will get majority vote, and the normal-voters get split, and the most radical/different candidate wins (because his vote isn't split/divided between several similar candidates).

    That's how Trump won the Republican nomination.

    It's easy math. Something Republicans should learned from the past few Presidential campaigns where they allowed 10-16 people in the Primary, so none of them had significant support or momentum. 10% support was the best you could hope for (which doesn't' build momentum or a voter-mandate for the General Election). Leaves the electorate feeling they got their second choice (for ~80-90% of the voters). Not good.

    Keep it at 2 so voters have to pick and candidate getting majority of the votes wins (not the largest fraction).

    Trump wouldn't win nomination if the other normal candidate's votes weren't split over so many candidates.

    If we allow candidates from convention, and from other routes all on the primary ballot.... mainstream/popular candidates will split popular vote so fringe candidate can win.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 18, 2017 9:26 a.m.

    RE: "Eliminate Utah’s quirky caucus system that used to allow narrow party interests to exert an outsized influence on the candidates nominated for public office"...
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    Why does nobody seem to care how Democrats pick the candidates for THEIR primary election?

    They use the same caucus system... don't they? But nobody cares. Why?

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    IMO
    We should either do what "Count My Vote" wanted and abolish the party conventions and the caucus meetings, and just have a free-for-all primary, or stay with the current caucus and convention system. The hybrid 2-path system of using of both is malarkey and should not stand. It's an idiotic idea.

    I don't think the party (either party) should have to fund the campaign of a person who doesn't embrace their platform or work to unite the party, and wants a different direction than the party.

    If they want a different direction than the party... they should run as an independent, not as a Republican. I would vote for them (if they are right and the Republican platform is wrong).

    Don't run as a Republican if you disagree with Republicans.

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    Twin Lights,
    Topic here is not open-primary or closed-primary. That's a different topic.

  • cmsense Kaysville, UT
    May 18, 2017 6:24 a.m.

    Enough of the non sense. Bring back "Count My Vote". Let the will of the people speak. Let the vote of the people determine their candidates.

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    May 17, 2017 1:03 p.m.

    I support the right of the Utah Democrat Party to choose its nominees in whatever manner that party thinks best. Ditto the Libertarian Party, Constitution Party, Socialist Party, and every other party.

    I also support the right of the Utah Republican Party to choose its nominees in whatever manner it thinks best.

    I believe that the caucus/convention system provides a unique and highly successful means to choose nominees. Unknown candidates without a lot of money or name recognition can compete quite well against the rich and famous in convention. The influence of the media is rather blunted. And delegates do a good job of vetting candidates' views and records against the GOP platform and the wishes of the GOP grassroots.

    The very fact that in many Utah races the GOP nominee is a shoe-in to win the general is one testament to how well the GOP nominating process works. If the Utah GOP were nominating radically right wing, incompetent, or dishonest candidates, voters would quickly reject the GOP. They haven't.

    And so liberals want to hijack the successful brand name. Pepsi in a Coke bottle is still Pepsi. It is also deceitful.

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    May 17, 2017 12:57 p.m.

    Perhaps we should allow anyone to pen editorials and put the DesNews' name on those editorials. After all, why should a few "elites" meeting privately get to decide what editorials the public gets to read?

    Newspapers enjoy a special position in our society. Not only are they afforded 1st amendment rights to speak and publish, but their reporters and editorial board are granted access to courtrooms, crime scenes, and public officials not generally afforded the general public. Further, newspapers are sold tax free in Utah. Broadcast television--such as KSL--operate in the limited, public airwaves. Media is given wide latitude in protecting (concealing) the identity of sources.

    So we might argue that the public has some right to have more direct input into how these legally-advantaged entities operate.

    Of course, in this context it is clear how unjust it would be allow others to label their views as the views of the DesNews editorial board.

    Why is it not equally clear how unjust it is to let Democrats or even Independents pick the GOP nominee?

    Each party should be free to choose the nominating process it wants.

  • Twin Lights Louisville, KY
    May 17, 2017 12:22 p.m.

    Having lived in a state where independents could vote in the Primary (for just one party or the other) it worked fine. No significant issues of folks trying to mess up the "other guy's" election chances. Generally, it meant more independently minded voters went to the Primary that had the candidate they liked best. It generally meant less polarizing candidates who were more likely to succeed in the General election.

  • Strider303 Salt Lake City, UT
    May 17, 2017 12:15 p.m.

    I'm with Mike R.

    Political parties set their own rules. Those who don't agree should run for party office, get sufficient delegates and change the rules. You know, get some support for your position. Or, form your own party - they claim to have the money so what else is needed?

    I am uncomfortable with non-registered members of a party, or any organization, telling the members how to run their "show".

    I feel many elected officials who run under the Republican label are really conservative Democrats or just political opportunists who needed a party's label to run successfully. They are about self, or control of others to their perception of how things should be done.

    The GOP should continue the fight.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    May 17, 2017 10:46 a.m.

    The Republican Party has full right to set the rules by which it nominates and authorizes any candidate who wishes to affiliate with the Republucan Party. The Party has chosen to uphold our Democratic Republic system of government where members in each precinct elect representatives as their proxies to elect those who will represent the Republican Party at the nominating convention.

    No other system has been approved.

    The Deseret News is completely wrong in its advice to the Republican Party.

    "Fat Cats" and "Royalty" would dictate who represents Republicans. Those "Fat Cats" and "Royalty" are trying to force their will on the people.

    I will not vote for any candidate who tries to make an end-run around the caucus system. That includes any person running for any office.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    May 17, 2017 8:42 a.m.

    "The ongoing fight against SB54 has put the Utah's GOP in a $300,000 hole of debt. "

    This is the party of "fiscal responsibility"? This is the party that thinks they can manage Utah's federal lands better/ Riiight.

  • conservative scientist Lindon, UT
    May 17, 2017 8:40 a.m.

    Well stated opinion piece by the Deseret News. The caucus system should go. If the Utah GOP is too blind to see the will of the voters on this matter and drop this lawsuit, then the count my vote initiative should be resurrected and do away with the caucus system altogether. At that point the right wing of the Republican party will have some serious regrets and will wish they hadn't pursued this fruitless battle.

  • humbug Syracuse/Davis, UT
    May 17, 2017 8:31 a.m.

    Good op-ed. I agree. It's time to drop the legal battle and embrace SB 54.