Many of these comments reflect a lack of understanding as to how scouting was
INTENDED to operate in the LDS Church but in large measure never has in many
areas of the Church. Consider:1. In the Church, the Aaronic Priesthood
has ALWAYS been the governing body. 2. Scouting was (and still is at the
Pack and Troop levels) a non-competitive, supporting activity program. 3.
Ours was always an optional program to the conventional one outside the
Church.4. As a whole, the Church has NEVER excluded any leader or boy who
keeps sexual matters private. (There have been a number of tragic circumstances
that have gone outside the standard.)5. Many well-meaning leaders have
added additional stress by viewing advancement as a "jump through scout
requirement hoops" instead of measuring what a boy has learned and
accomplished.6. The Duty to God award program patterns some aspects of
scouting in a way that opens common ground in international areas of the
Church.I wonder how much of the current changes are a metaphorical
divorce. Or will the Church find new ways to support BSA programs and activities
that have common interests with our mission to bring people to Christ?
I am the current scout master in my ward. I would be happy to switch from the
Scout Handbook to the Duty to God handbook for all our young men activities. We
have always emphasized the education, charity and outdoors skills and we have
de-emphasize the para-military aspects of the scouting program. It would be
nice to do away with the uniforms and salutes. As I am responsible for the
12-13 year olds I will continue to run the scout program as long as the church
supports it. I will continue to get certified annually. But we have often done
activities as neighborhood friends instead of scouts as the requirements have
not permitted the snowmobiling, ATVing and other fun activities that the older
young men love. So, I see this as a continuation of what we have already done
for years on the local level. To many they have a connection to Scouting, for
me I am only involved with scouting because I am a Mormon.
Just think of all the adult leaders who now won't have to feel guilty about
not magnifying their callings!
Common sense?..You have to be kidding. Have you read any of what I said? I was
simply responding in my 2nd response to your complaint of how the funds of the
ward/church are handled. and the ensuing effort. I am very happy that the
church pulled somewhat out of BSA. I do not now support BSA in any way because
of their recent announced politics. Parents of Youth that are not members of
the church but want to be a part of a church troop can be asked to contribute
as well as members - there has to be a list in the WARD AREA . They do not just
walk around knocking on doors when it is clearly a church activity. I
repeat; FOS funds are NOT commingled with the funds of the church, even the
checks that I have seen written by a "donor" are made out to BSA with an
accompanying receipt to the "donor" FOR BSA - all of which is tax
deductible so there is no reason , maybe illegal, to make it out to the church
for BSA. The volunteers that go after the FOS donors and those that handle the
money is a minuscule amount to time and effort as compared to other callings of
the church. As long as the church wants it I will help - but I will not
Interesting to see the comments of many who have not really understood the
reasons LDS church has been involved in scouting. While it is a sad day that it
has come to this I believe the decisions are inspired. I support and sustain
this change.Make no mistake, this is not a time to celebrate like
some who were never committed in the first place but rather it is a time to
recommit, reinvigorate And lengthen our stride with our youth.
@ No One of Consequence: I feel the same way about the staffing being not a
reality. I've also thought about wards/groups outside of the Wasatch Front
or large cities. I grew up 80 miles from my stake center and 30 mls. from my
branch of about 80 members. There was absolutely no way I could even get MB
counselors unless I had the money to go to several scout camps and/or National
Jamboree. BSA: Here's an idea for you: 1. Lower the amt. of
MB's required for the different ranks. Make it something that is
achievable even for those who have fewer resources. 2. Design the Eagle
Project so that a scout begins working on it his first year in Scouting, i.e.
make sure he has a leadership position, begins reading & understanding what
leadership looks like for an Eagle Project. Let the scouts eat the
"elephant" one bite at a time, and more boys will be successful.3.
Simplify, simplify, simplify. Thank you.
When I was a Scout in the 1970's there was a Scoutmaster and sometimes an
assistant, and occasional assistance from fathers. Now you have to have a
committee. But the wards are smaller. Then we had 800 in the ward, now my ward
has 300. We can't find people to fill all the positions to run a
full-fledged Scouting program all of the 4 levels. And it is hard to justify the
organization when many wards have so few in the various age groups sometimes. I
finished my Scout leader training and then almost immediately was called away
from Scouts. The model was not workable.Our ward was recently
dissolved into two neighboring wards. One of the things that people bemoan when
that happens is the retiring of Troup/Pack/Team/Crew numbers. Maybe with the new
direction, neighboring wards with fewer youth will be able to work together for
activities without worrying about who is running what Unit.
Soutahnative- I am currently a clerk and have been for 7 years. Be cautious not
to assume that just because someone does not agree with you that they must
therefore not know what they are talking about. Again you make my points for me.
I completely disagree with your acceptance of BSA being a necessary,
intermingled part of the gospel (and now so do the brethren). So what if every
member of the ward does not get solicited?! IMO that's great! People who
wish to donate to or participate in scouts can feel free to do so on their own.
And as a clerk you know full well that any donations for BSA have to be
accounted for and processed by the clerks and LDS clergy. It may not take much
extra time...but it shouldn't take ANY of their time. And not every
member"called" to serve in scouts does so willingly as you so
wonderfully paint. I'm a prime example :) I'm so thankful the church
is finally taking the long overdue step of separating scouts from the church.
For people like you who enjoy it...more power to you my friend. Keep donating
money and earning all the merit badges you want. You don't need the church
support to keep on as you are. Cheers :)
From Ensign Oct 2013 "The Church introduced the Venturing program in 1971,
and LDS Scout leaders developed Varsity Scouting for youth ages 14 and 15 a few
years later. Both programs eventually became national BSA programs."This is just a rollback to yesteryear. Not such a big deal.
Some key points.1. The programs worked when implemented correctly with
trained leaders.2. Several units did not have the resources to trained
leaders.3. The LDS Church is a revolving door for leaders. 4. FOS
was for the Local Council for their use.5. LDS registered ALL youth
active, inactive, or no scout activity.6. Local Councils not having
regular training sessions for new leaders.7. New LDS Leaders do not want
to get trained other than Youth Protection.I was with 2 Varsity
Coaches that used the program as directed. It was successful. When the 3
leader started, he refused to get trained, beyond YP and the program with to
hiking and basketball.The BSA fell to the PC Police, Hollywood, and
Corporate America. The big donors withheld $money$ and they chased after it and
continue to today at the expense of the youth.Lord Baden Powell had
a vision. He trained and taught young men to be men. LDS Leaders saw an
opportunity to use Scouts as an "activity arm" along with the Aaronic
Priesthood to train young men to be successful Priesthood holders and Men.Today, the First Presidency wants to ensure that ALL YOUNG MEN will be
successful and honor their Priesthood.
"The three Utah councils already are the most frugal, efficient and trim
among their counterparts nationwide." ..... Well, shouldn't be long
before they're all defunct, then. Scouts may be loyal, brave, and true,
but they are neither efficient nor organized (thrifty must have got in the creed
by mistake...). Our local council in Northern Utah takes at least a full year
to review leader applications. By the time you're approved as a leader and
got your card, you've usually been long released from the scout calling in
your ward. They are months, if not years, behind in even the most basic
paperwork. They're in the dark ages - no computerized anything.Delighted at this change, and hope we can get out of the BSA completely soon.
There is nothing the scouting program does for our YM that couldn't be done
more efficiently, and far less expensively on our own. The program itself is
nothing special - their activity ideas and requirements in the cub scout manual
certainly aren't worth the $20 the manual costs! I guess it used to be an
ok program 40 years ago, but I can think of far better ways to meet the needs of
our youth today for a fraction of the cost.
Even before some of the difficulties that have recently arisen due to LGBT
issues, I've long felt that serious problems have existed with LDS
scouting:1. Over-emphasis on rank advancement (and the attendant
badgering and shaming) at the expense of more important objectives (such as
character and leadership skills development);2. Over-utilization of
ward/branch resources that could be better used elsewhere (especially a problem
in smaller units in outlying areas);3. Ever increasing difficultly
staffing enthusiastic adult leaders (partly because many contemporary LDS scout
leaders are more or less conscripted to participate in a resource-intensive
endeavor that was rammed down their throats as youth for which they never had
much enthusiasm in the first place); 4. Ever decreasing relevance
in today's world and in an increasingly global religion; and5.
Coercive fund raising tactics that abuse LDS members' propensity to follow
and obey their church leaders.
Common sense?...You do not know what you are talking about; The church uses
scouting as an activity arm of the priesthood for young men. It is not like a
public school fundraiser. The church is a completely volunteer organization and
those that do the footwork very often are happy or at least willing to do it.
OF COURSE the rolls of the wards are used to assign those volunteers so that
every household is contacted IN THE WARD for the WARD fundraiser. This is no
different than any other activity of the church. Scouting and priesthood go
hand in hand for the young men. Additionally, there are many reasons that the
church does not support the "girl" scouts - the current political
changes in the "boy" scouts is beginning to mirror the "girl"
scouts is one example. I have been a financial clerk for several wards for over
11 years and there is NO commingling of funds, And there is NO real extra effort
to keep track of those funds. Some wards hold the checks and deposit them all
at once. Some ward deposit them as they come in to a separate account. It all
depends on the bishop. A receipt is given to the "donor" for the BSA -
not the church.
With the epidemic of LDS LGBTQ youth who have and are committing suicide, I
applaud BSA for allowing LGBTQ boys to participate. When anyone
feels like they do not have a place, because of how they were born, it's a
horrible place to be.
Scouting has had a beneficial place in the Church's YM program, much more
for some than others. However, no program for this age group has or will come
close to what will fully develop under the Aaronic Priesthood (for the young
women as well young men).However, I primarily write in gratitude
that our ordained leaders have seen fit to maximize the true purpose of Church
funds, especially tithing, the Lord's ownership, to assure any and every
young man and his family, if so desired, could feel the open arms of our Faith,
regardless of their perceived activity or even membership. Such relatively
trifle expenditures helped countless single mothers and communicated a priceless
message as to the worth of these individual youth. In our world obsessed with
economic bottom lines and lucre, this single Church policy reminded how all the
flock are revered. It embraced the best part of scouting. After all, "[o]n
my honor, I will do my best to
help other people."
Soutahnative- you make both of my points. BSA is a secular organization and if
they want to troll the neighborhood asking for money they should do it the same
way girl scouts or the high school football team does it-without piggy backing
the LDS membership rolls, announcing it on Sundays as if it were an obligation
like tithes and other sacred offerings. There is no need to give the
"opportunity" to donate to every member of the ward. It should have
nothing to do with the ward structure. And point #2-the funds travel through the
same channels as the sacred funds, then are later filtered out back to the
scouts. This takes extra time to process for clerks, bishopric members,
auditors, etc who already donate their time to process sacred donations. They
shouldn't have to waste one second doing anything to process money for the
Commonsence...You are partially wrong as well as totally wrong. Of course the
ward membership records are used to solicit FOS funds. How else can the ward
find everyone to give the opportunity to donate that belong in that ward? I
fail to see ANY problem there. Secondly funds from FOS is NOT mingled with
the "sacred" funds of the church. There is only have ONE venue to keep
track of any funds by the ward. When the drive is over the church headquarters
subtracts the FOS funds and sends them to BSA. All funds that are not directed
directly to the church is kept separate from all others.Having said
all that I will never support FOS again. I do support the youth and forever
will through any fund drive they want to have - except BSA. Once again liberal
thinking is destroying a once great part of the country.
I have seen this program fail over and over again, but only because leaders fail
to work the program. In the 5 years that I have seen it implemented, I have only
seen 2 boys earn any advancements in Varsity. No proper training and no
motivation from leaders to guide the BOY LED unit to success/progression will
always equal failure. It's the elephant in the room no one wants to talk
about. So instead, they just changed rooms. Hope the new program is met with
more success. I think it will be more about preparing them for missions and
building character, which is a great thing. So, not opposed to the new program
at all. It's just very clear why the old one was failing across LDS units.
I'll support what the Brethren ask, but honestly, after Robert Gates
infected the BSA and the BSA leadership caved in, I lost the spark. My sons and
I are Eagle Scouts. I had excellent leaders. For my older sons it was a mixed
bag. For my youngest, disabled son, disappointing. The values of the former
BSA were great. Not so much anymore. A very sad implosion.
As a Scoutmaster in the LDS Church my uncertainty began in 2013 when the
BSA'S policy changed on allowing youth homosexuals as part of the BSA. My
uncertainty became worse when the policy changed in 2015 to allow adults I
wondered how I would be able to choose between a never changing God and a ever
changing BSA . Don't judge me wrong and judge me anti gay as a Christian I
firmly believe in the right to choose ones core beliefs. After the change in
BSA policy over the last few years I came to the conclusion that the BSA was
setting a course that moved away from its core values and made the Scout Oath
and Law an irrelevant source of spiritual guidance. The BSA has now become a
organization of ever changing values and I firmly believe that the Church had
no other choice but to begin a new direction for its youth. I know that this
decision is supported by gospel truths and God's revelation's to its
Prophets that is certainly the basis for the LDS Church to follow the doctrine
of a loving Heavenly Father. Preparing our youth for the future is the another
important goal of the LDS Church. I have seen a reduction of Varsity and
Venturing participation in the Church's program. Trent
I have been a Saint since my conversion twenty-seven years ago. While I have
been a YM leader briefly I found little desire of our youth to participate in
scouting. It was very hard to ger them to attend meetings, and even harder to
field responsible leaders.Times change as do the tactics of the
Adversary. While I don't understand the politics of the church and BSA I
see both having gone their separate ways long ago.Your young men
need to be strengthen for missions, college, and marriage and while scouting
offered tools for that in the past I am not sure it does now. The values of the
two organizations do not mesh. Boy Scouts used to be about boys, not so much
anymore.This decision will have a ripple effect with other faith
based scouting programs seeing a way out of the empty she'll scouts has
become due to the pressure of the Adversary. Catholics, Baptist, and other
churches may not feel a need to be part of a once hallowed organization. I fear
this is the first step in the demise of Scouting which is exactly what liberal
forces have been fighting for for many decades.
As a 76 year old convert of 37 years, I have seen life from a non-LDS
perspective. I am thankful for the switch away from the direction scouting has
taken. I do not agree with the BSA's decision to allow girls into the boys
scouting program. If that was such a great idea, why didn't the Girl Scouts
invite boys to join their organization? I stopped long ago donating to the FOS
program, much prefer donating to the Moran Eye center. They fix cataracts at
only $20 a piece. Do so in native American populations in the south west. Be
careful how you donate. The leader of Planned Parenthood makes $600,000 a year.
Gosh, Obama only made $400,000 and Trump is donating his salary. I think the
Church will do a fine job with the new program, and as a side note, if
non-members see how our young men are turning out, maybe they will want to join
our programs. The Church has never turned away any non members kids from ward
basketball programs. One thing that makes our church so great is all the
volunteers. I have been blessed by so many men and women in the Church. For
sure, one of the best decisions I have every made was to choose people with high
standards to associate with.
Well, no more FOS shame payments from me! No need for it. Parents with kids in
the program should pay for that. I look forward to the day when the Boys Scouts
and the Cub programs are removed and replaced. It is time for something
different. The majority of LDS Church Units outside the USA cannot afford Scouts
as their activity program and there needs to be a balance of funding for young
men and young women. There should be far more community service projects for all
of them and more learning about the Savior and what it means to follow and serve
Him and His children. I remember in CA after I joined the LDS Church at 18 (but
I hung out and participated from about age 15) we did an annual interfaith
backpack campaign with school supplies for the less fortunate kids. We helped to
paint and clean school prior to the return to school. We organized neighborhood
caroling to shut ins and the elderly getting meals on wheels. Teens under adult
supervision (high school kids) tutored upper elementary kids struggling in
reading or math after school. There is MUCH that can be done if we want to do
Council leaders may be surprised but they shouldn't be. Anyone who follows
the saga of the LDS/BSA relationship would know that things haven't been
rosy for some time and that the BSA is fortunate that things remained the same
up until now.And FYI, the Varsity program is LDS specific, created
in the 1970s by LDS leaders to fill a hole between Scouting and Venturing. It
filled a gap but was never widely used or implemented correctly. I
applaud this move, it's time we better prepare our 14+ boys to serve
missions at earlier ages. I will miss the Varsity program, I had a lot of fun
running it for 7 years. But LDS requirements change and Scouting cannot be the
sole provider of Missionary/Temple/Service training.
Surprised it did not happen sooner. If it's just a ripple, then no one
will care. Me thinks it's more than that.
I applaud the LDS Church for sticking to its core values in the face of public
pressure and the moral relativism which permeates society. There are plenty of
ways to build character for young men. The LDS Church can make new clubs and
activities with the traditional wholesome values that the Scouts once embodied.
@toosmartforyou: two crucial differences between FOS and the local high school
or girl scout fund raisers that you fail to mention:1. FOS uses the
records of the local LDS ward to ensure that every member in the neighborhood is
solicited. IMO this has always been a misuse of sacred records to solicit money
for a secular organization.2. Those funds are processed through the same
channels as tithes and offerings-again mixing sacred and secular.
Along the Idaho-Arizona corridor where the Church is strong and in the various
areas where there is a strong and generous population of good LDS men, it works
quite well. However, outside those areas Scouting has been the "weak
link". It's been difficult, at best, to find/train men who are willing
and/or able to "catch the vision" of what Scouting was designed to be.
Heck, it's just plain challenging to staff a Bishopric, a Branch
Presidency, an Elders Quorum presidency! An effective EQ president soon
becomes a member of the Bishopric/Branch Presidency. Good Scout leaders soon
are easily absorbed into the Elders Quorum or Bishopric/Branch Presidency---for
good reason!! We just don't have sufficient numbers of good priesthood men
to staff the units AND do all that's required for a good Scouting program.
This change has been needed for a very long time "to meet the needs of our
thousands of young men" who live outside the main centers of the Church.
Now, we can be guilt free and concentrate more on training our Latter-Day
"Stripling Warriors" As one commentator put it, let's silence the
crickets and check on their Duty To God programs!!
@ute alumni-- What don't you get---it's called the BOY Scouts and why
then should it allow girls? Change to name to Scouts or US Scouts and drop the
word "BOY" from the title. The decimation that started with Hollywood
of the worth of fathers and now boys has been exacerbated by the PC folks.@mayfair-- I was in charge of the FOS in my local church unit and it is
STRICTLY VOLUNTARY and always has been. When the neighborhood boy asks for a
donation so the high school band can go on a field trip, or the girl scouts
knock on my door want to sell me some cookies, I view it the same. I reminded
everyone helping with FOS that we were just giving people the opportunity to
contribute--period--and if they didn't it wasn't any different than if
they did. Smile and say "Thanks" either way. Your comment
about being "strong armed" suggests it wasn't done correctly in
your area. Sorry for you...
Ahh. A calling to the teacher's quorum or priest's quorum won't
be so bad now after all..... :)
I come from a family of 17 eagle scouts OA, Range Master during day working at
night. All programs will fall but the True church of God. Boys and girls I am
sorry to say are different. Scout camp has turned into girls camp too. Young
men's will always be different from Young women's. The crickets
comment was brilliant. The men in scouts and Young men leaders who helped me
will go up in Heavens hall of fame. I was 7 when my father was burned and
killed at work as a Chemical Engineer. My Mom 5 kids, 6 months old was the
youngest, got great help from the men's leaders. My summer working at camp
could have cost me a sports college scholarship. Yet from those mens leadership
I learned more than any coach on the field ever. I have tried to pass this on to
the next generation as well and will continue to do so where ever I am
volunteering with my family.
To anyone who thinks this decision was a financial one, please reconsider. The
LDS Church's decision is not about FOS (Friends of Scouting) or money.
It's about the divergent paths of the two organizations. And this is only
the first step.From the original article posted by the DN yesterday,
you will notice in one of the last paragraphs a statement indicating that the
LDS Church has looked at this situation for many years, including dropping the
Cub and Boy Scouting programs for Primary and YM.The question is:
Why?The answer is: Because the paths and decisions of the Boy Scouting
program have strayed far from what the founder of the BSA (Lord Baden Powell)
intended, and those decisions have separated it from the core values of the LDS
Church.Over the next few years the Church will develop a much better
program to serve the true needs of YM worldwide better than the BSA could ever
do now. I would venture to say that the new YM's program will look similar
to that of the incredible YW's program -- with opportunities for adventures
coupled with spiritual growth -- and a greater focus on our Savior.
Principles trump programs. Duty to God, country, family, and development of
character, spirituality, and citizenship will continue. But I hope it will be
done in a much simplified way that can reduce time, money, and other resources,
while increasing the involvement and responsibility by the family and young
men.@ Bigblue17: I agree and empathize with your comments. I, too, am
grateful for all those who sacrificed for me in the Scouting program as a youth
and adult. No good deed was ever wasted.
Scouting put me in touch with father figures which made a huge difference in my
growing up years. The Eagle is a prestige honor throughout the United States
offering rank advancement in the military and opportunities in educational and
future jobs. Like the corded phone, scouting for boys 14 - 18 has lacked for
sometime. Myself and a few others have made it a fabulous learning and
adventure opportunity while other leaders played basketball. Boys can continue
to work on their Eagle until age 18, but hopefully now all who want and seek it
will do so by age 14. What a relief that will be for leaders, parents, and the
boys. No more threats of not being able to drive or date.
I give my donations directly to the troop. When I heard people on the Councils
were making anywhere from $100,000 to $200,000, I stopped my Friends of Scouting
donations and gave to my local troop.
I'm a lifelong member of the LDS Church, a former Bishop, an Eagle Scout, a
Member of the Order of the Arrow, and my older brother was also an Eagle Scout
and member of the OA. Our father was our Ward's Scout Master for over 15
years. Scouting ran thick through our family and created many fond memories of
hiking, canoeing, camping, Winter Camps, Summer Camps, and High Adventures. It
would be factual to state that over 50% of our family vacations were centered
around Scouting activities.With that said, this change is the RIGHT
change for the LDS Church.In the past I've been proud of my
association to the BSA, even placing my achievements on my Resume'.
However, over the past 20 years I have become increasingly disappointed with the
direction and decisions of the BSA, and have dropped all of my support. I do not
believe that the BSA and LDS Church are compatible any longer. I have believed
strongly for the past 2 decades that the LDS Church could easily generate a
program that develops YM into worthy AAPH/MPH holders, Missionaries and Fathers,
and honors the values and teachings of Christ better than the BSA ever could.
The day has come to drop the BSA completely.
From another DeseretNews article yesterday: "Charles Dahlquist II has
served the past year as BSA’s national commissioner, one of
Scouting’s top volunteer positions."If Dahlquist can serve
and do all he does without pay, why can't all the other paid positions be
the same??There are top tier Scouters who are LDS or other
religions who love Scouting who would serve in all the top executives positions
for little or nothing. And the Council heads too.Why are
we paying people, when there are accomplished successful men who would fill all
the paid positions just because of their love of Scouting and commitment to
it----just like Dahlquist does??
From article: "we live off of... Friends of Scouting"Serious
(and not bashing top LDS leadership) question here.Why & how did
Friends of Scouting come about--and why are we compelled to give??I
honestly thought when I was younger that when I gave that $$ that it was like
supporting the YW bake sale for Girls Camp--thought the $ would help the boys in
our Ward and Stake with equipment and camps etc.In last few years,
have heard SO many people say how it is basically a coerced tax and coercive
tactics are used to compel or shame LDS members into giving. And
since the overstep by top BSA executives in recent years, 100 percent of people
I know or have heard who give is ONLY because the Prophet /Apostles have asked
us to-- and that it is a total act of faith and obedience to do so...because
they despise the national BSA leaders so much for their mutating the
organization from what it used to be/was intended to be-and because they oppose
those offensive salaries so much.So Question:WHY does
this all happen?WHY does the LDS top leadership feel we have to do Friends
of Scouting-- not to help boys, but to be strong-armed to pay salaries??Thanks for explaining.
Ask a room of LDS mom's in the US where they are in earning their
sons' Eagles and most will know down to the badge. Ask the same room where
their sons' are in Duty to God or and you will hear crickets. Take all of the gender politics out it and scouts has been a missed
opportunity from a spiritual perspective for a long time. If anything, the
gender politics may have slowed this decision as leaders avoided abandoning the
dwindling good people at BSA knowing without the Church the organization will
quickly devolve into the soulless marshmallow the Girl Scouts has become.Good, better, best - the Church moves forward to prepare the Earth the
return of my Savior. This will be done with less and less support from Earthly
Just one more good organization destroyed by liberal policies. Morals in this
country are gone.
What I appreciate about the top leaders of the LDS Church is there willingness
to stay firm in their values and flexible in how those values are met. Scouting
is a tool when it comes down to it. A tool that when used correctly and with
willing boys and young men can make men better men. The Scouting
tool is (has?) lost its effectiveness for the LDS Church for several reasons.
Regardless of the reason, Scouting will continue to be an effective tool for
others, and the top Church leaders see their resources of being more effective
using other tools -- tools, who's owners (General Authorities) will be not
influenced by the world but rather by God.
"Ripple"?... We'll see. The LDS Church have been the heavy lifters
for the Scouting Program in the past... (I've been both a SM for 5 Years,
and a Den Leader with my wife and I have held these positions in Cali,
Washington State and Utah) I guarantee you that the pain will be felt throughout
the Boy Scouts Organization. And, as a Leader, I'm glad to see this
happening... The goals and objectives for the two organizations have grown far
apart over the past few years and too much compromising has taken place. Now
both Organizations can blaze their own trail.
They should volunteer their time to Boy Scouts like the rest of us.
It is odd how much some people fail to read articles. LDS involvement in
scouting will continue. Also it needs to be kept in mind LDS enrollment policies
are such that cash cow is right. We pi aye for many youth who never ever
participate. Other organizati I ns only register participants.
There are a lot of stressors on families these days including all their church
obligations. The Church should keep simplifying their programs, and divide what
resources they have between supporting the young women and men. In the past they
have gone primarily to the young men and that was not right. The need less
meetings, less expenses for families, and to focus on just the basics in the
society we are in now.
Aren't they told their life goals are mission, college, early marriage and
kids from the age of five? With all the added on stuff required of kids today is
scouting really something else required? The teen years means seminary, three
hours of church, activities for their age, camp/trek/EFY, part time jobs to pay
for missions and college, more classes to complete high school including more
math and science than the prior generation, bettter test scores to get into
colleges that used to be easy to get into. Now there are additional missionary
prep classes. Don't kids spend enough time in church sanctioned
opportunities to be inspired and molded besides scouting? Members outside the US
seem to live without it. Can't those interested in scouting just do it
outside the church?
In a nostalgic way, it's kind of sad, however, the LDS Church has not moved
much and the BSA has. It was always hard to try and mesh the two programs
together for older young men (14-17). Now the LDS adult/youth leaders will have
to step it up a bit, but I think we'll be just fine. With young men
leaving for missions right after high school, the 14-17 year old scouting
programs seem inadequate. Also, It does seem to me that Scouting is taking a
divergent path. It's ok with me if both survive, but it seems that the LDS
Church will be soon be on their own where young men are concerned.
And the strongest of all reactions probably are from the First Presidency and
the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles. Undoubtedly these men...and many others
within the leadership of the Church, both men and women, have likely wept
because of this decision. And wept many times as they considered options across
weeks, months, and probably even years prior to the announcement. But, it is the
right decision! Unencumbered by the BSA, the Church can do more to build up
young men in every aspect of development, something the BSA is unable to
I have been a scout master or a varsity team coach in four different states over
the past 15 years and am also a eagle scout myself... I am so grateful to the
Scout leaders that I had when I was a young man for their countless hours of
sacrifice that they spent helping me develop and learn scouting principles that
help me to this day.It is unfortunate that the LDS Church and
scouting relations have gotten to this point but let's be honest I think we
all saw the writing on the wall. I was especially upset about the
church's policy to enroll and pay for every young man on the LDS roster to
be enrolled in Scouts even if they never came to church. how many hundreds of
thousands of dollars have been wasted on Scout enrollment fees which come from
tithing funds of the church?On the flip side I recently took a group
of 15 year old young men on a back packing trip who had zero interest in
scouting and once they got out on the adventure they said it was the most
fantastic thing that they had ever done, and it provided a venue to discus
their life their future and their goals. Properly implemented the scouting
program is fantastic- but $300 for scout camp with a limit of 4 badges?
I'm so glad that "it’s not much more than a little ripple across
the rest of the country."I'm sure the girls that want to join the
Boy Scouts as well as the lgbt community will more than make up for the loss of
the LDS church.Should have happened years ago. After 2018 there will not
be ANY participation by the LDS church.