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Op-ed: Government intervention erodes community

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  • RedShirtMIT Cambridge, MA
    May 1, 2017 7:34 a.m.

    To "RJohnson " so then you agree that the government will stop people from helping.

    As you show, the problem with feeding and caring for the homeless was not due to the people giving assistance. The problems arose because of the NIMBY attitude of their neighbors.

    To "Impartial7" again, why drive your manufacturing off shore? Many companies learn that by driving manufacturing off shore that it costs more to ship and get the product up to standards. Talk to Icon fitness in Logan. They started out with "cheap" offshore labor, then found out that the cheap labor resulted in poorly built products that cost the company more than just building them here.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    April 29, 2017 10:32 a.m.

    "Let’s show the next generation of Utahns how it’s done by putting our shoulder to the wheel more often, rather than defaulting to enlisting the government’s assistance."

    Oh! . . . So . . . You want to create an organization that allows people to come together and work toward a common cause?

    You know what that's called?

    . . . Government.

  • RJohnson Salt Lake City, UT
    April 29, 2017 6:03 a.m.

    @RedShirt

    “See "Dundalk church faces fine for hosting homeless" in the Baltimore Times.”

    The tradition (allowing homeless to set up tents on the lawn of the church) has drawn such vehement protests from a neighboring business…

    “See "Florida Couple Fined, Threatened with Jail for Feeding Homeless" at NBC News”

    Daytona Beach Police Chief Mike Chitwood said the Jimenezes had been warned one week earlier to stop their weekly feeding sessions after local residents complained...

    So, in both your examples, local government was responding to complaints from residents and business owners--not acting unilaterally. In the Daytona Beach case the couple would be welcomed to continue to feed the homeless but are asked to coordinate their efforts through local social service agencies. In other words, feed the homeless at shelters and sites set up for that purpose and not in residential parks.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    April 28, 2017 9:18 p.m.

    The government programs exist because people/communities were not taking care of those kinds of things voluntarily.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    April 28, 2017 5:00 p.m.

    Just another 'government is the enemy' piece.
    Government is us. It is not the enemy. It's resources are ours, If we want, we can change government, or work with it or for it to change what it does.
    It doesn't help to just sit back and throw insults and criticism at it. If you don't like it, fix it.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    April 28, 2017 2:38 p.m.

    @redshirtMIT:
    " What sense would it make to pay off a politician to enact laws that drive your company out of the US."

    Really? They buy off politicians to allow them to go offshore (cheap labor) without incurring tariffs or penalties. The company's labor force is overseas, but HQ & execs remain in the US.

  • RedShirtMIT Cambridge, MA
    April 28, 2017 2:25 p.m.

    To "Impartial7" that doesn't make sense. If the GOP was bought of like you say, wouldn't they be making things here better for their businesses? What sense would it make to pay off a politician to enact laws that drive your company out of the US.

    The problem is with ALL politicians that seek to control the free market and create a "managed economy". All they manage to do is drive away business.

    To "One of a Few" I thought you were talking about the modern welfare state and the use if Immanent Domain by the government.

    You are partially right. We need to avoid repeating Europe's mistakes. The mistakes of Europe and all 3rd world dictatorships is that they allowed power to be concentrated into their national government and went down the road of socialism to varying degrees. If we go the route of capitalism, it would require smaller government and result in a better life

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    April 28, 2017 1:57 p.m.

    @Impartial7 "Because our politicians, especially GOP politicians, are paid off by big business to not act. Republicans are paid to sell out the American worker to their big business campaign donors. It's that simple."

    More than that, international capital is now in charge. Governments can do nothing to counter it.

  • One of a Few Layton, UT
    April 28, 2017 1:44 p.m.

    Funny, I thought the founding fathers established that we should we should earn our bread by the sweat of the another person's brow - I thought it was called slavery and taking native lands without compensation. I must have just dreamed that. For those that dream of a return to the good old days, there's a reason modern welfare reforms happened and it wasn't to buy the votes of the less fortunate. I don't believe, based on the history of European revolutions and the totalitarianism of third world countries, that the Union will long survive if we allow ourselves to return to a form of distopian capitalism and social welfare.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    April 28, 2017 1:34 p.m.

    @Redshirt:
    "Why not ask why doesn't the US government do something to make the workforce here more attractive to businesses? "

    Why? Because our politicians, especially GOP politicians, are paid off by big business to not act. Republicans are paid to sell out the American worker to their big business campaign donors. It's that simple.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    April 28, 2017 1:14 p.m.

    To "unrepentant progressive" the ironic thing is that in many instances the government has regulated thing to the point where churches and local communities cannot actually help.

    See "Dundalk church faces fine for hosting homeless" in the Baltimore Times.

    See "Florida Couple Fined, Threatened with Jail for Feeding Homeless" at NBC News

    To "Marxist" did you ever ask why corporations leave the US? Why not ask why doesn't the US government do something to make the workforce here more attractive to businesses? Why is it that the Government incentivizes leaving the US?

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    April 28, 2017 11:55 a.m.

    Boyack's analysis treats us as if we are a large array of equals, ready to cooperate equally if given a chance. But that's not the case in our system. Economic power is concentrated internationally as never before. Working class people are mere pawns in a giant capitalist game. We can cooperate locally, but such efforts are often futile against the international capitalist juggernaut.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    April 28, 2017 11:49 a.m.

    "Government intervention erodes community."

    When U.S. corporations move overseas such frequently not only erodes communities, it destroys communities.

  • unrepentant progressive Bozeman, MT
    April 28, 2017 10:19 a.m.

    Aggie

    "That's a pretty myopic and lazy interpretation of what'" pragmatic... "is saying here. I am genuinely sad for you if you've never" understood the value of skepticism.

    It might be nice if our local communities, businesses, religious institutions, etc. could get together and solve some of those problems without the "horror" of the federal government involvement. But that is not the way it works in the real world.

    After the Great Depression, did such linkages develop to prevent the "horrors" of another Great Depression? Or, most recently after the financial collapse caused by the Bush Administration? After preaching this song for so long, has any community set about to do so for their neighbors foregoing government aid? To be sure many secular and non-secular organization pop up to serve their neighbors. However, almost all of these groups don't get the funding necessary to serve the humongous need for everyone.

    I don't think that many people go on welfare of any sort and choose to stay on it. Most do so out of necessity. It is shameful in my opinion to blame the poor for their conditions.

  • Aggie238 Logan, UT
    April 28, 2017 8:53 a.m.

    @pragmatist

    That's a pretty myopic and lazy interpretation of what Boyack is saying here.

    I am genuinely sad for you if you've never had any experiences being helped out by a neighbor, friend, or family member who chose to take action themselves rather than wait for the government to take care of you, or if you've never done so for anyone else. I myself have been blessed to have many such experiences which have enabled me to take care of myself thus far with little or no government assistance.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    April 28, 2017 8:26 a.m.

    So Mr. Boyack I should get together with my neighbors and build and fund a homeless shelter in our neighborhood. Then we should probably form a non profit where we all contribute to make sure that everyone in the neighborhood can afford health insurance. Oh and we definitely should have an organization that collects money for food and shelter for those that aren't associated with our church or civic group.

    I'll bet all this work will go just swimmingly. I can't see any conflicts that would arise between neighbors as everyone merrily opens their wallets and gives freely.

    Where do people come up with these fantasy libertarian ideas? There's absolutely no experience in your life that would make you think humans would do this.

  • John Charity Spring Back Home in Davis County, UT
    April 28, 2017 8:20 a.m.

    This letter is absolutely correct. The welfare mentality is destroying America.

    Sadly, far to many believe that they are entitled to have the government provide them with their every want and need. This is encouraged by the left-wing environmental extremists for their own political advancement.

    From the beginning, it was declared that man must earn his bread by the sweat of his own bread. That is the principle the Founding Fathers established this Country on. We must return to it.