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Salt Lake City crashes Outdoor Retailer bid party

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  • Nebsy Ephraim, UT
    April 25, 2017 11:27 a.m.

    Utahn's made their stance clear.....
    "Bye Felicia"

    For those who need an interpretation:

    You are welcome to sell your product here. You are NOT welcome to tell US how to interact with the environment that we live in.

  • whatsup1 Kekaha, HI
    April 22, 2017 4:52 a.m.

    Salt Lake wood like to keep the exhibitions and is willing to give many benefits to attract the shoiw, but won't sponsor there own show in competition, if SLC is indeed the best location many vendors would come. If you build it it they will come.

  • ERB Eagle Mountain, UT
    April 21, 2017 8:07 p.m.

    Tolerance at its best.

  • jasonlivy Orem, UT
    April 21, 2017 12:46 p.m.

    Misty Mountain-

    "Um, Red, it isn't just "your" land. It's "our" land."

    This is a tired old argument. Yes, it is true that 'public' lands means they belong to everyone. However, this is our home! Those who live in the rural parts of Utah have made significant sacrifices to be there. Because you are so well informed, you must know that San Juan County is the poorest of all Utah counties. Tourist dollars aren't making anyone rich. That's not why they are there. They are raising their families on farms and ranches, and creating their legacies in the land they love. The locals have as much right to the land as anyone and we should have as strong a voice as any other group!

    And your insinuation that the locals are trashing the archeological sights is blatantly false and unfounded. These false accusations is the vehicle behind much of misinformation that's poisoning any meaningful discussions on how to best manage our public lands. Many a tourist who visit this land come here temporarily and then leave, leaving behind an ugly wake. I propose it's not the locals who are trashing these sights, but the un-informed tourist. That is the greatest tragedy of all for our public lands!

  • jasonlivy Orem, UT
    April 21, 2017 12:08 p.m.

    "jasonlivy - Sorry but, if everyone knows that SLC is the best place for the OR show, then these brands are actually being selfless, not selfish. By your own admission, they are working against their own best interest in the pursuit of preserving public lands. Your "personal boycott", along with others, only further solidifies this fact.

    Also, when our position is "let nature remain natural" and you resort to calling it a "radical environmental stance", that is a great cue for you to self-reflect that your position is, in fact, out of whack."

    I'd like to formulate a rebuttal, but I have no idea what you're trying to say here.

    Let's be clear, every brand that attends the OR Show has to look out for there own self interests. That's business. But when a certain brand uses emotionally and politically charged environmental rhetoric to further their business interests, I call that selfish and unethical. It slams of hypocrisy!

    I know the outdoor industry well. I know how strong a player Utah is in the industry, and it's the citizens of this state who are paying the large share. I'm very confident in my current stance. Utah needs to be vigilant and not capitulate, period!

  • Stalwart Sentinel San Jose, CA
    April 21, 2017 11:52 a.m.

    jasonlivy - Sorry but, if everyone knows that SLC is the best place for the OR show, then these brands are actually being selfless, not selfish. By your own admission, they are working against their own best interest in the pursuit of preserving public lands. Your "personal boycott", along with others, only further solidifies this fact.

    Also, when our position is "let nature remain natural" and you resort to calling it a "radical environmental stance", that is a great cue for you to self-reflect that your position is, in fact, out of whack.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    April 21, 2017 11:13 a.m.

    @zipadeedoodah

    "Do you not realize that Utah will attract other business groups to come that will be bigger and better?"

    I don't think you're getting this. If Utah could attract bigger and better business groups, they wouldn't be begging OR to come back.

  • zipadeedoodah Lehi, UT
    April 21, 2017 10:57 a.m.

    BTW, I don't know what the offer from SLC to OR was. If it was the same as in prior years, I am all for it. It allows OR the opportunity to reconsider. HOWEVER if SLC is giving bigger concessions, it will have the opposite affect. OR will be more likely to feel justified in their position and will continue with their bully approach and will be LESS likely to return. We need not grovel at their feet. Doing so will drive them away rather then bring them back.

  • zipadeedoodah Lehi, UT
    April 21, 2017 10:24 a.m.

    @Brave Sir Robin

    Z: "We will not hurt. OR will be the ones who lose out in this instance."
    B: "The fact that Utah submitted an unsolicited bid to get the show back suggests otherwise."

    No. Not the case. Just shows that some in Utah (and perhaps you) FEAR that Utah will lose out. Do you not realize that Utah will attract other business groups to come that will be bigger and better? This has often proven the case in past groups that have come to Utah and other venues elsewhere.

    Moreover their own customers will recognize that no state has the same that Utah has to offer. Maybe in time there will be a faction in the OR group. Mark my words, they will be back, perhaps not as OR but equivalent... and better!

  • andyjaggy American Fork, UT
    April 21, 2017 10:21 a.m.

    Justmythoughts - Provo, UT

    "It tells me that they are more about politics than business"

    That's because outdoor recreation is intricately linked with the politics that govern our public lands. You really can't separate the two.

  • jasonlivy Orem, UT
    April 21, 2017 10:14 a.m.

    Having gone to the Outdoor Retail Show twice a year for the past 20 years, I can tell you the best place for it is in Salt Lake City. Everyone knows it including the OR show committees and leadership. It's well documented that if there was a better place for the show, it would have moved years ago. Much of the blame must be credited to a selfish, politically motivated brand thats using there radical environmental stance as a marketing ploy. It disgusts me and I've personally boycotted it.

    Being from San Juan County, the misinformation surrounding the Bears Ears, our politicians, the locals (including the native american population), and Utah's public lands is staggering! When I see the industry I love being hornswoggled and manipulated by a few loud mouthed company executives it saddens and angers me. I believe it has less to do with Bears Ears and more to do with the prevailing conservative mindset in our state, they being uber-liberal.

    I hope Utah stays true to who we are and never capitulates to their demands. In the end that is what is best for our state and our public lands. I definitely won't be marching...

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    April 21, 2017 9:57 a.m.

    @zipadeedoodah

    "We will not hurt. OR will be the ones who lose out in this instance."

    The fact that Utah submitted an unsolicited bid to get the show back suggests otherwise.

  • zipadeedoodah Lehi, UT
    April 21, 2017 9:42 a.m.

    Yes, the OR people come in and dictate how Utah is supposed to run their state. If Utah caves in on this one, what will they whack at next? They won't stop. They have a double standard. Let them go. The truth is that their own OR people come in and pollute and desecrate these "playgrounds" as they call them. If they were truly environmentalists, they would not advocate the kinds of adventures and means of access they "sell". Seems like hypocrisy to me.

    As for SLC and Utah, we will have plenty of other groups come to town... ones that maybe will respect our culture and our values as well instead of trying to change them. We will not hurt. OR will be the ones who lose out in this instance.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    April 21, 2017 9:03 a.m.

    Straight to the recycling bin.

  • Misty Mountain Kent, WA
    April 21, 2017 8:45 a.m.

    @Red wrote, "We should redefine how we want to use this land. We are smart enough to do that ourselves."

    Um, Red, it isn't just "your" land. It's "our" land. It belongs as much to a single mom in Georgia as it does to you in Salt Lake.

    I'm not suggesting that you're not smart. I just wonder why you never noticed that your fellow Utahns were looting thousands of graves and why it didn't move you to do something about that. I live two states away and even I knew about Phil Lyman's stunt in Recapture Canyon--why didn't you protest that and urge that he be prosecuted for his actions?

  • ute alumni SLC, UT
    April 21, 2017 4:39 a.m.

    Utah should stay as Utah. If the alcohol laws bug you and you want the Feds to control everything then maybe you ought to move. Those that think utah's liquor laws are odd might want to travel outside of Utah and see how other states deal with it. Having lived in the NE and South utah's law are pretty liberal. .05 is the limit in most of Europe and Canada. I guess we ought to boycott visiting there. If people are only visiting the state to drive drunk it's better that they go elsewhere anyway.

  • Red Salt Lake City, UT
    April 20, 2017 10:34 p.m.

    Utah Rules! We are clearly the best place for the OR Show. They caved to outside pressure and turncoats that aren't even from Utah and who don't love it the way we do. You know I'm right Black Diamond.

    I've been to Bears Ears. It's nice. Plenty of room for all sorts of different uses.

    Parts of it are for sure worth protecting forever. Other parts can easily be used to enhance the resources of Utah. Trying to turn this into a political football is silly.

    For Obama to come into our State and dictate anything to us is absurd. We should redefine how we want to use this land. We are smart enough to do that ourselves.

    For Black Diamond to stab us in the back on this rather than be part of a solution is very strange. They should help protect Utah not sell us out to Obama and the political agenda of hate.

    Everyone get out and enjoy the outdoors. Get off your phones and live free. Enjoy this great State of Utah and keep the outsiders from trying to dictate terms to us.

    I still stand with Utah and Gov. Herbert.

  • windsor City, Ut
    April 20, 2017 7:31 p.m.

    Much SLC leadership takes great pride in their Liberal leadership--you'd think that would count for something with these people.

  • Justmythoughts Provo, UT
    April 20, 2017 6:33 p.m.

    The Outdoor Retailers trying to hold Utah hostage because of a political view makes no sense to me. It tells me that they are more about politics than business... Certainly not everyone in their group shares the same view but the leaders have drawn the line. Maybe we should ask everyone their political views before we allow them to use our parks and natural resources and if we don't agree, we should tell them to go somewhere else. Seems kinds stupid.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 20, 2017 3:42 p.m.

    Good move as long as it is based on basic convention stuff- rooms, exhibit spaces, etc.

    There better not be a single political concession made in response to the Outdoor Retailers bullying and blackmail demands.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    April 20, 2017 3:27 p.m.

    Utah's extraction and developer bought politicians are trying their hardest to kill business in SL County. First they ran off the ODR, now, with their poorly thought out .05 BAC law, they're trying to ruin the ski and tourism as well. Maybe the Utah restaurant lobby and the ski lobby need to up their "donations" to Utah political leaders.