@ kazieYou're absolutely right. The pollution is not a
"natural occurrence" but the inversions are. The letter
writer was thanking the DN for the article on "reducing inversions." We
cannot reduce inversions. They are a natural occurrence that is completely out
of our control. The point of my statement is that people passionately argue
about an issue when they have no clue how it even works. I swear on everything
that's holy that a few barbecues during a winter inversion add essentially
nothing to the air pollution in the Salt Lake Valley. Banning them would do
nothing to reduce pollution and would only serve to make the environmentalist
left feel like they did something.
to barfolomew: "Inversions are a natural occurrence and are beyond our
control." Perhaps, true. However, pollutants trapped by the
inversion are not a "natural occurrence" and definitely within our
control if our politicians (and Utah citizens) had the inclination to take any
steps at all to improve the situation.
Come on Will, your killing me man. I can't stop laughing.RE:
"Governor is owned by the outdoor grill manufacturers"...Yah... those outdoor grill manufacturers (lets see... how many of grill
manufacturers are there?) really throw a lot of money around when election time
comes around.What a hoot. The outdoor grill manufacturers bought the
Governor in a campaign to make sure their customers can grill in the back yard
on snowy days in January...It's a conspiracy for sure!Oh my gosh. That was funny.I can just imagine those Treager
salesmen sneeking into the capital with bags of money for the Governor, bribing
him to allow the few people who own a Treager grill to cook on it on winter
inversion days.What is this world coming too? burgers on a winter
inversion day? We're all going to die.Do you know how much
smoke this guy with his back yard Treager puts out when he uses it once a month,
compared to the smoke that comes out of Burger King or JCWs broiled burger
places pump out every hour of every day?Yah.. back yard grills are
the main problem. And these grill salesmen probably paid the Governor to allow
back yard grilling in winter.
@UtahEngineerIf you had a child that suffered from asthma like I do, you
would see that pollution really does harm children. You are breathing in the
particulates too and there ARE studies that show links between air quality and a
huge range of health conditions.We shouldn't allow someone to
make money off of other people's health. The company that saves a few bucks
on not putting filtering systems up passes on those problems to everyday people.
What of the pit barbecue restaurants? Should they be forced to shut down in the
Fake News or just a failed attempt to link the cause and affect? While it is true the governor did sign the bill. I believe it has little to do
with outdoor grill retailers sales figures for outdoor cooking in December,
January and February. This is called political propaganda. Both sides do it!.
Usually it shows the person to be outside the normal bounds of reasonable
political thought. My very 1st thought when reading the article was "are you
kidding me, who grills in the middle of winter"? I clicked on the comments
and quickly found others would had the same thought.
@barfolomew"Inversions happen in the winter. How many people do you
think are barbecuing in January? "Apparently enough for them to
deem it necessary to work on this measure ensuring it's allowed.
I have little doubt this will continue to be a recurring issue, not because we
have too many cars or oil refineries, because we have too many "can't
and won'ts" carousing our streets. No American achievement has ever
come about without cost.
To "Impartial7" but the SLC area does not have the worst pollution in
the US. On average Utah has 2 weeks per year total time of red air days.
Cities like LA and NY live virtually in a red air bubble. That is according to
the American Lung association.My question is who is spreading the
false information you believe in, and what are they trying to sell?
@No One "Who should be car-pooling and/or using public transportation?
Apparently not you. If all those other people would stop driving their cars it
would be better...."I car pool and ride UTA buses quite often.
I would rather die from complications related to air pollution instead of dying
from stress related to having to listen to annoying people in a carpool.
stevo123like the $1.2 BILLION hilary raised, compared to half that much
for trump?like all the out of state money coming for Chaffetz's
opponent?and dems NEVER accept campaign money, though they have
raised more than the GOP the past few election cycles.Imp7sorry, that was utahtroutstalker promising to support the out-of-state funded
chaffetz opponent. my apologies for the mistake.
@Husker1: " I drive I-15 almost every day to get to work and I would
estimate that 90% of the vehicles I see on the interstate only have one person
in them. It's made worse by the fact that during rush hour it can take up
to 2 hours to go 30 miles on the interstate. Car pooling and greater use of
public transportation would cut the pollution significantly."Who
should be car-pooling and/or using public transportation? Apparently not you. If
all those other people would stop driving their cars it would be better....UTA runs past my office and my house but when FrontRunner service
started into Utah County they curtailed bus service so that if I leave the
office near U of U after 6pm I cannot get to my home in West Jordan. Rail ruined
service for many passengers but did a lot for property developers.If
we want public transit to help with pollution we need to stop talking about
transit-oriented communities and talk about rider-oriented transit. Long commute
times and multiple connections with minimum security and no restrooms at rail
stations combine to drive away the public. I'll stick with my aging,
paid-off car which costs me less and completes my commute quicker than UTA.
@ Libs Think, Follow the money.
The biggest contributor to the inversion is the enormous number of cars driving
along the Wasatch Front. I drive I-15 almost every day to get to work and I
would estimate that 90% of the vehicles I see on the interstate only have one
person in them. It's made worse by the fact that during rush hour it can
take up to 2 hours to go 30 miles on the interstate. Car pooling and greater
use of public transportation would cut the pollution significantly.
imp7country's, not countries. the former is possessive, the latter
plural.besides, your claim that we have the country's worse
pollution is not true.but if you think it so bad, what are YOU doing
to improve air quality? or do you only want restrictions imposed on
someone else?your constant claim that our politicians are bought and
paid for just because you do not agree with them is rather tiresome and
Great comments by 2bits and barfolomew.Impartial7 comment is very
poor. He said, "Kill Utah residents, including kids, with the countries
worst air pollution?". This is populist nonsense... a product of
shallow, irrational analysis and not supported by the data.Our
inversion pollution problem almost always involves just one pollutant and that
usually occurs for just a few hours in the afternoon, and for just a few days or
weeks each year. Even during inversion "season", most criteria pollutant
air concentrations have fallen within the green, "SAFE" range as
evidenced by DAQ data. Most of the objectively worst air pollution
in America, has been in South and Central California cities which are
characterized as having unacceptable "long-term" or chronically high
concentrations of criteria pollutants for very long stretches of time. Overall,
kids living in those areas have immensely worse exposures to actually harmful
pollution levels than ours in Utah.
RE: "Real Responsibility"...---I guess the letter writer
needs to define "Real Responsibility" first.Is it waiting
for the Legislature... or the Governor... to do something?Or is it
YOU doing what YOU can do (regardless of what the Legislature or the Governor
does)?Is "Real Responsibility" saying, "We can't do
anything until the Legislature solves the problem for us", and forces our
neighbor to live the way we think he should live?Or is "Real
Responsibility" saying, "I'm going to do what I can to live cleaner
and let my neighbor live the way he thinks is best"?I think
that's Real Responsibility. When we do it ourselves. For the right
reasons. Without force or coercion from the Legislature or the Governor
to live your way.I think it's "Real Responsibility" to
do the right thing... Regardless of what the Legislature does, or what the
Governor signs.Looking to the Legislature, or the Governor... is
actually giving up "Real Responsibility" and placing it on someone else
(legislature, neighbors, etc).In my book "Real
Responsibility" is when I do it myself. Regardless of what the Legislature
does, or what the Governor does, to force people to bow to my agenda.
C'mon, seriously? Governor Herbert signed a law allowing outdoor cooking on
inversion days because he's in the pocket of the outdoor grill
manufacturers? That's a stretch if I ever heard one. First of
all, what he signed was an amendment to UAC 19-2-107.5. Solid fuel burning.
Outdoor cooking was never against the law on inversion or any other days; the
amendment just clarified that fact. Do you really think outdoor
grilling is a major air pollution problem? Inversions happen in the winter. How
many people do you think are barbecuing in January? Our letter
writer states, "polluting industries are active and invested in what happens
in the Utah Legislature." Yeah, and so does every other industry.
What's your point? The solar and wind companies lobby for favorable
legislation, too. I don't hear you complaining about that. He
also says, "I appreciate your editorial on reducing inversions in the Salt
Lake Valley."Ummm.....inversions are natural occurrences and are
beyond our control. This is all getting a little silly.
Exactly. Letting kids see a beer poured in a restaurant? No way! Teach
comprehensive sex ed in public schools? No way! Promote Planned Parenthood? No
way!Kill Utah residents, including kids, with the countries worst air
pollution? Sure-as long as you "donate" to the right politicians.