How did we get to this point? Well, here's the simple answer: for longer
than I have been alive North Korea has had insane megalomaniacal leaders and
finally their technological prowess is starting to catch up with their delusions
@barfolomew Why on earth would the North Koreans send a nuke to Japan or
South Korea? What would it serve for them? We would completely wipe them off of
the face of the earth and they know this. They would instantly be surrounded by
enemies and China may not stand by them.North Korea has little
man's syndrome. They are outmatched, outspent and outmanned. China wants no
part in their tantrums and can cut off their exports if they get out of hand.
The United States should not take part in pre-emptive strikes. It would
result in nothing but death to our military and get us sucked into a pointless
land war in Asia. And for what gain? What would be the benefit to us?There are many dictators and corrupted politicians all over the globe. It is
not up to the United States to police the entire world. We should support
refugees and peace talks and point our focus on making our economy and country
the best in the world. War is an expensive distraction.
"How did North Korea and the U.S. get to this point?"Because
Bill Clinton conditioned the Norks with rewards for misbehaving. Now it will be
very difficult to retrain an old dog. But no rational person can say
doing the same thing as we have been doing is acceptable.
@ IceCreamGhost"We dont need to do anything but wait."Wait for what? Wait for NK to kill millions with a nuke? You must have
an Obama strategic playbook. Look how well that's worked.@
Shaun"Wasn't 9/11 perpetrated by Saudi's?"Actually, no. They were mostly Saudi nationals but were not acting on
the Saudi's behalf. They were acting on the Taliban's behalf. Anwar
al-Awlaki was an American. Does that mean we need to blame the US government for
his actions? @ RJohnsonActually, I agree with you that
we do not want to take any preemptive military action. It surely would cause NK
to attack SK or Japan in retaliation. Pressure from all sides needs to be put on
NK. China needs to be part of that squeeze. But no reasonable person would
simply do nothing. Obama's deals haven't worked. His negotiations
haven't worked. UN sanctions haven't work. In fact, these things have
only emboldened NK. We need to get out of this silly mindset that we can hug our
way out of these situations with these truly evil people.
What in Tucket? said:"Isn't it clear that we fear a nuclear
attack on South Korea and Japan?" No it isn't."We are
there trying to help our allies." Are they asking for our help, or is
Trump destabilizing the region while stroking the GOP's ego? "One NK prison town has 500,000."Don't worry America is
still number one, in incarceration of their citizens.So how did we
get here? Two boy/men leaders who are not fit to lead, and think they are
"the greatest" they aren't.
@thid. Why was it alright for you to hate Obama but if anybody dare criticize
trump it is evil?Wasn't it republicans who stated Russia was
are biggest worry before trump was accused of cozying up with Putin? Wasn't
9/11 perpetrated by Saudi's? Bush sure did make a distinction between those
who harm us and those who harbor them didn't he.
Isn't it clear that we fear a nuclear attack on South Korea and Japan? We
are there trying to help our allies. One NK prison town has 500,000.
North Korea is China's problem - they've propped up their crazy
cousins now for decades, let them deal with the problem.North Korea
would never instigate a fight with us, because they would lose. Badly. Kim Jung
Un has a big ego and lots of missiles but he cant even feed his own country
without massive amounts of aid. Trump needs to see through the talk and bluster
and keep pressing on sanctions but pre-emptive strike is a crazy idea that will
end in many deaths. And to what end? What does the United States gain by
being tough with North Korea? A land war in Asia? No thank you.Starve them quietly, economically. Eventually, like Cuba, these communist
ideas fail on their own through corruption. We dont need to do anything but
Thid Barker "every comment on here criticizing President Trump's
handling of a dangerous, nuclear armed N. Korean dictator has offered not one
solution or alternative!"Trump hasn't "handled"
anything. Trump found that North Korea -- like health care -- is complicated.
His current plan is to defer to China. "Let them handle it." What do you suppose Trump learned in a 10 minute meeting with Chinese
President Xi Jinping that caused him to defer to the Chinese? Probably
something many of us learned in school.North Korea is not a lone
wolf that you can take out like Osama Bin Laden. North Korea has some very
powerful friends in China and Russia. Attack North Korea and you risk war with
China. That is a "bigly" problem, and its no wonder Trump backed down.
@Shaun: Ever heard of the Taliban? How about ISIS, ever heard of them? How
about 9/11, remember that? By the way, Obama got us into war in Syria and we are
not at war with Russia even though they took over the Ukraine during
Obama's watch! Maybe Kim Jong Un can be stopped before he sends a nuke to
your neighborhood? If he does, without a doubt you will blame President Trump!
You really need to get over your hatred of President Trump! Hatred is evil and
only promotes more evil, like the hate Trump protestors in California violently
attacking the police!
"We have no intention of invading North Korea or taking hostile action
against North Korea" -- Colin Powell, January 2003President
Bush's foreign policy was the most misguided in decades. He was manipulated
into starting wars against false threats while ignoring the real threats.
@thid. Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Ukraine, Russia and now North Korea.How many wars and potential region destabilizing do republicans want to tackle
all while pushing through a tax cut?Also remember the pitch for the
Iraq war from W? Mission accomplished, we will been seen as liberators and so
on.The question is will we learn from the past.
Its interesting and telling that every comment on here criticizing President
Trump's handling of a dangerous, nuclear armed N. Korean dictator has
offered not one solution or alternative! What would a liberal do about this?
NOTHING until its too late!
@barfolomew "...at what point do you feel that it's time to
take more aggressive action to keep your family safe?"What
aggressive action are you proposing and whose children are you offering up to be
a part of that aggressive action? How many South Korean dead is acceptable in
the first 24 hours of more aggressive action? These are questions that must be
part of any discussion of stepped up, aggressive action on the Korean Peninsula.
Got this point by a couple of not well thought out tweets from the golf course.
Huge and Yuge are not the same. Webster will give you a definition of Huge,
Yuge is a play on the word reflecting a Brooklyn accent. It is bad enough when
Trump slurs his words with his accent, but in written text? Please it makes me
@ GaryOYou seriously need to look outside this fantasy world you
seem to be living in."solid diplomacy"?!!??Every
President since Clinton has tried diplomacy and sanctions to reign in this
regime. They've broken every deal that's been brokered. They've
defied every UN mandate put on them. So, if a guy in your
neighborhood continuously threatens you, and you watch him build up a weapons
arsenal while defying - with impunity - all the restraining orders you have
against him, at what point do you feel that it's time to take more
aggressive action to keep your family safe? If you think for one
second that Kim Jon Un is going to suddenly say he's sorry and give up his
arrogance, you truly do belong in that fantasy world of yours.
The only way this turns into a war is if we fire the first shot. Kim is crazy
but he's not stupid - he knows he'd lose in about 15 minutes so
he's not going to fire the first shot. All this blustering and
muscle-flexing is just his way of looking tough to the military leaders in his
own country who want to overthrow him.It would be interesting to see
how China would react to a US/DPRK war. Would they really step in and support
their long-time ally, and thereby cripple their own economy by fighting against
the country that buys all their cheap junk? I doubt it.
I agree a lot with what Barfolomew has to say. North Korea has gotten so bold
because they think China is going to back them up in a war against us.
Unfortunately for North Korea, China's economy is so intertwined with ours
that war would spell disaster for both our economies, and in conjunction, the
world economy. In the event of an attack on the United States or its allies, I
think China will be right beside us in crushing a pampered dictator's
dreams, if for no other reason than to save their own economy. And I don't
think it will be a particularly long war. Maybe a month. Once Kim Jong Un is
deposed, it seems unlikely that his people will keep fighting.
RE" "Vice President Mike Pence traveled to South Korea on Monday to
announce the 'era of strategic patience' is over."In
other words . . . The solid diplomacy is over, and the era of bluster and
Trump is just beginning.Trump and Kim Jong-Un are just about
identical . . . Except Kim Jong-Un is younger and better looking.Hey
USALover -RE: " President Obama's foreign policy was the
weakest in decades."That's just more
Putin-approved/Trump-approved fake history. You can't fairly
blame Obama for all the failures of Donald (grab 'em by the wherever)
How did North Korea and the U.S. get to this point?==== Um, perhaps -- 2 tiny little isolated baby men, with YUGE egos,
and nuclear weapons, trying to out-prove each other...Ever see a bully in a school yard?They yell and say all kinds of stuff
to provoke others, but they always get some OTHER kid to go in and
do their fighting for them.
UtahTroutStalker-Draper, UTOne has to wonder what the end-game is for N.
Korean leaders.Perhaps the goal like with some other countries is
just to bankrupt us warring abroad. Or, perhaps they just want the long standing
pi__ing match to be over. At any rate they haven't learned much since 2006
with all the interventions that have been tried by many presidents.
I believe that the arrogance of Kim Jon Un and Kim Jon Il before him was always
fueled by their belief that China would back them up in whatever they did just
like in the Korean War. I'm pretty sure that they wouldn't be so
arrogant if they believed they were on their own. They couldn't possibly
think they could defeat the US all by themselves. Seeing Trump and Li cooperate
and seeing China turning back NK coal shipments is encouraging. I hope and pray
that there are meetings between China and NK taking place where China is telling
them they're not going to back them up this time. But then again, this Un
moron might feel like he's saber-rattled himself so far into a corner, that
he can't lose face by backing down now.
Today’s episode of the old TV series of “Gunsmoke” was about a
gunslinger seeking to attain the status of “fastest gun” by killing
the marshal of Dodge City. Upon returning to my computer, the answer
to the heading “How did North Korea and the U.S. get to this point”
became immediately clear to me. The “old west” didn’t invent
the “old west”, It’s been a basic building block for all of
human history. Later however, my normal brain restored the truth
that in both cases, it's just about money.
How did North Korea and the U.S. get to this point?One thing I know
for sure- Liberals will blame Trump and conservatives will blame Obama.@UtahTroutStalker: "They obviously cannot win a war against the U.S. So
making war isn't really in their best interest."They've been brainwashed into believing they can win.
How?By ignoring them. President Obama's foreign policy was the
weakest in decades. He was eloquent...and weak.
One has to wonder what the end-game is for N. Korean leaders.They
obviously cannot win a war against the U.S. So making war isn't really in
their best interest.They seem intent on making threats as a way to
compel the rest of the world to deal with them on their own terms. While that
has not worked out too well, it has worked out well enough for their leaders
while their people suffer.So now we have a POTUS that was elected in
large part by a populist/nationalist movement that does not believe the U.S.
should be the world's police, and yet we find that DJT appears ready to
launch Team America back into battle as he flip flops all over the place.
Are we at the "brink of war?" Or merely at the "brink of
brinksmanship?" The news media tends to think it's OK for North Korea
to bluff, bluster, and outright threaten nuclear destruction to South Korea,
Japan, and US, but the minute the US pushes back we are "pushing to the
brink of war." How many times to we make (and fulfill) promises to North
Korea (mostly for food) in exchange for their promises (always broken) to
curtail nuclear development? More importantly, do we want to go back to the
status quo and condemn another few million North Koreans to starvation, hundreds
of thousands to prison camps, and the entire nation to a cloistered existence
where they are starved -- physically, intellectually, emotionally, and
spiritually. Having read the ramblings of the Kim family in the original
Korean and spoken directly with North Korean refugees, I know that the place is
even a bigger nightmare than most of America can possibly comprehend.
North Korea with its chest thumping leader with an inferiority complex is
manageable as long as there is an adult in the room. With the election of
Trump, the job of Adult now goes to China.