In our opinion: Utah once again in the bottom-tier of states for voter turnout

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  • Ranch Here, UT
    March 23, 2017 10:41 a.m.

    2 bits says:

    "But we would have to go way out of our way to gerrymander one District without a Conservative majority in Utah."

    --- They didn't have to go very far out of the way to gerrymander SLC out of their voice.

    NoNamesAccepted says:

    "Salt Lake County has 1.11 million residents. That is over one-third of our State population. It has to be split somehow..."

    --- And it was split in such a way that even though the majority of those 1.1M are Democrats, they ended up with NO voice. How is that fair?

  • Strider303 Salt Lake City, UT
    March 23, 2017 4:52 a.m.

    Why focus only on the two major parties? I have long thought that there should be televised debates that include candidates from all registered parties. Excluding the so-called "minor" parties is criminal. I reject the need for a threshold of popularity to participate.

    Will some of the other candidates throw verbal "bombs" into the discussion? I would hope so. I want to see how well the R & D candidates can respond to issues and questions they want to avoid.

    Politics is not meant to be fair as much as an orderly and lawful exercise of political power. That is why majorities realign districts to preserve power. They win power by winning elections.

    I also feel that most people are ignorant of the down-ballot issues, they focus on party or flag ship candidates and don't study the candidates or issues that are at the tail end. Sadly, we are our own worst enemy.

    We have a republic, if we can keep it.

  • elochoop Park City, UT
    March 22, 2017 12:02 p.m.

    I grew up in Ogden (1960-70s) and still distinctly recall that Utah and Idaho perennially led the nation in voter turnout. Not coincidentally, Utah was a much more competitive state politically. Ted Moss was a Democratic US Senator and Cal Rampton and Scott Matheson were popular Democratic governors. Then something happened. The Church and its members became overwhelmingly Republican (and I say this from the perspective of a member). The Democratic party came to be viewed (erroneously) as the party of "non-Mormons." It is a perception that has become a reality for many, however unfortunate. So the Democratic Party's message that should resonate with Utah voters--better education, clean air, concern for neighbors, etc--is blocked by a form of prejudice. I often joke with my friends that Jesus running as a Democrat would lose in this state--and I believe it. It would be nice to hear Church leaders talk more about the benefits of a two party system, without gerrymandering and emphasize that good and honest men and women serve in both parties.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 22, 2017 11:18 a.m.

    @UtahBlueDevil
    RE: "But 2Bits.... those that are largely inactive in the process are not Democrats, they are Republicans. They are the ones not voting. That is not a democrat problem to solve"...
    ---

    If you think more Republicans voting would fix the problem for Democrats... I'm all for that. But I don't see how that fixes their problem.

    We are talking about 2 things now.
    1. Low voter turnout
    2. Turnout is low because races aren't competitive (because Democrat candidate rarely resonates with enough Utah voters to make it close).

    I don't think more Republicans voting will fix #2. I call on Democrat leaders in Utah to fix that one.

    Until Democrats become more competitive in races... voter's will be apathetic and turnout will be low. Republicans can't fix Democrats not being competitive in races.

    Bond Issues, local officials, Judges, school boards, etc, don't excite people enough to take time to vote. They tend to just let others decide. I know... bad.

    But if you think more Republican's voting will fix the problem... I'm all for that.

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    March 21, 2017 10:13 p.m.

    @nonamesaccepted. There is zero rationale to having the same congressional representation for urban and rural areas.

    Urban and rural areas have completely different issues that affect them differently. I don't expect a rural utahn to care about what we face along the Wasatch front and I do not care about rural Utah issues.

    Also I never advocated a safe seat for any party but simply pointed out that the districts were drawn to dilute salt lake county, which has the most residents, of a voice that was there to really represent them in congress. Better maps could have been drawn to really align the interest of the citizens in their concerns.

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    March 21, 2017 7:23 p.m.

    @Shaun: "Why not pizza slice Utah county or Davis county?"

    Raw numbers. Salt Lake County has 1.11 million residents. That is over one-third of our State population. It has to be split somehow in order to put 25% of our population into each district.

    In contrast, Utah County has 500k residents and Davis County has 330k residents.

    Each district has to have about 750k residents.

    Furthermore, Utah County and Davis County both include urban and rural areas. SLCo is purely urban/suburban. There is not anyplace in SLCo that can legitimately qualify as rural.

    There is also a strong rationale to have all districts include both rural and urban components so as to provide voice to our minority rural residents. If some of our congressmen can ignore rural interests entirely, rural residents suffer. Urban areas will always get considered because of raw numbers.

    Utah Democrats want to gerrymander an all urban, Demo-safe district. That is understandable, but they are not entitled to that.

    Any more questions?

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    March 21, 2017 3:13 p.m.

    But 2Bits.... those that are largely inactive in the process are not Democrats, they are Republicans. They are the ones not voting. That is not a democrat problem to solve.

    Democrats have plenty to work on to be relevant. But let's not blame democrats for the reason why Republicans don't show up to vote. There usually is a whole lot more on there than the big ticket items.... Bond Issues, local officials, Judges, school districts....

    If anything, if I were a democrat - which I am not - I wouldn't want Repulicans showing up.

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    March 21, 2017 12:34 p.m.

    @2bits. The majority of Utah politicians are white, conservative, and Mormon.

    Whether someone thinks that is a good thing or bad thing is another story.

  • 4601 Salt Lake City, UT
    March 21, 2017 11:01 a.m.

    Generalizations are easy, but the reality is that neither Trump nor Clinton were worth voting for. In protest I voted for someone/anyone else and others may just not have voted. The choice between Bad and Worse is not very motivating.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 21, 2017 10:44 a.m.

    @scrappy do
    RE: "Why vote when you know the results in advance. Conservative white guy belonging to nice church wins election"...
    ---
    Nice Democrat whining points. But does the hyperbole fit reality?

    How do you explain Mia Love? She's not white. She's not a guy.

    Lots of people who are not white win elections in Utah. The head of the Republican Party in Utah is not white. We have Hispanic people winning elections in Utah. Gay people. You name it.

    The pretense that you have to be white, male, conservative, Mormon, to win... is just not reality. That's just your stereotype for Utah politicians. The stereotype doesn't work in reality.

    Look at our politicians (not your stereotypes)
    Many are not white.
    Many are not men.
    Many are not Mormon.
    Many are not Republican.

    Your pretense that you must be all of the above to win... is just malarkey

    Don't let malarkey keep you from voting.

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    March 21, 2017 10:08 a.m.

    @nonsmesaccepted. Why not pizza slice Utah county or Davis county?

    There was only one reason to slice up salt lake county and that was to make sure republicans win all the congressional seats. Salt county as a whole voted for democratic representation and republicans know this.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 21, 2017 9:18 a.m.

    To sum it up.... Is it Republican's fault Democrat's keep running candidates most Utahns don't agree with? And push agenda items most Utahns don't agree with?

    So why blame Republicans?

    Blame Democrats!

    When Democrats change to be more like Utahns. Or Utahns change and agree with Democrats on things that are important to them... Democrats will be competitive again in Utah (like they were in the past).

    But none of this is Republican's fault. What can Republicans do to fix it?

  • Misty Mountain Kent, WA
    March 21, 2017 8:30 a.m.

    @DN Subscriber wrote "I am totally opposed to high turnout by those only motivated by the hopes of voting for "free stuff" promised by some candidates."

    Like coal mining jobs and labor-intensive manufacturing that are going to magically drop out of the sky if we only pull that R lever..

    But before those jobs materialize, we have to help those companies by removing those "burdensome" regulations which kept them from dumping toxic waste into our rivers. Then we "improve" the health care situation by taking away the only coverage that those unemployed blue collar folk were able to get. And that action just happens to give a huge boost to the incomes of the 1% group.

    But hey--it's all OK, because they'll use that extra money to create more jobs. Trump promised that.

    He's half-way truthful. His actions WILL create more jobs. In the Cayman Islands and in China.

  • Misty Mountain Kent, WA
    March 21, 2017 8:13 a.m.

    @Mike Richards wrote,

    "One candidate (the winner) wanted to appoint someone to the Court who would stand for the Constitution. The other Candidate spoke against our guaranteed freedoms. "

    Mike, his clumsy attempts to legally ban Muslims (as he promised in his campaign) haven't been exactly constitutional. As an expert in constitutional law, you should have said something about this when he first promised all this stuff that he was (allegedly) going to do on the first day of office.

    And the freedoms that Hillary "spoke against"? Sensible restrictions to keep the mentally ill and children from using someone else's guns? Do you really want kindergarteners bringing loaded guns to Show and Tell?

  • scrappy do DRAPER, UT
    March 21, 2017 5:30 a.m.

    Why vote when you know the results in advance

    Conservative white guy belonging to nice church wins election

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    March 20, 2017 8:56 p.m.

    Some say it is the democrats problem to solve... but that isnt really the case, because it is Republicans in a predominately Republican state that are staying home. It isn't the democrats problem to get Republicans out to vote.

    When Republicans decide not to vote, it also impacts all kinds of down ballot items. The net result is a very small group decides for the rest of the state.... who honestly don't believe their vote will make a difference one way or another.

    I do agree that the Utah Democrat party needs to nominate not symbolic condidates, but those who do represent the majority of Utahan's who are more moderate on the whole... and are open to real options. But the Utah democrats need to dump some of their sacred cow positions - like on the national position on abortion. Democrats in the south used to be more conservative than most repubicans.... so there is room within the party for varying opinions and platforms in the party.

    Of course republicans could do likewise...

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    March 20, 2017 4:21 p.m.

    We are Americans. Our responsibility is to pick from the candidates on the ballot the person who most closely represents our desires for America, or to write someone in. This election, the choices were well defined. One candidate (the winner) wanted to appoint someone to the Court who would stand for the Constitution. The other Candidate spoke against our guaranteed freedoms.

    Too many people sulked and pouted and stayed home. They are those who gratitude for living in this Country depends on them getting everything that they want. They shirked their responsibility to stand up for our Constitution. They let others shoulder the responsibility citizenship in a nation that is the greatest that the world has ever known.

    We don't need to water down the Republican Party so that Liberals can feel good about their ideas. What we need are people who will stand up for our Constitution instead of those who riot, loot and burn when they lose an election.

    No one has forced freedom on us. Those who appreciate freedom cast their vote.

  • airnaut Everett, 00
    March 20, 2017 4:03 p.m.

    What do you expect from a state of Republicans who hold closed door meetings [aka, Secret Combinations],
    and will not even let Democrat Legislators be involved with LOCAL issues.

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    March 20, 2017 3:33 p.m.

    I'd like a list of exactly which districts are supposedly "gerrymandered" and the basis on which that term has been applied.

    In our 4 congressional districts, our legislature opted for the entirely rational pizza slice plan where all 4 districts include both urban and rural areas, and where the 4 districts are close in geographic size.

    The Democrats naturally prefer a SLC donut hole for one district, meaning one district has no rural mix and is geographically much smaller. That would be gerrymandering a democrat-safe seat.

    Among our 104 State Legislative seats, which ones are gerrymandered? And among those that might be gerrymandered, which were gerrymandered to benefit a party, vs to benefit a sitting incumbent?

    Enough with the vague generalities and blanket assumptions. Specific examples, please, DesNews?

    There is no such thing as a "non-partisan" redistricting commission. Everyone has partisan views.

    An unelected commission where we ignore partisan loyalties is probably no better that elected officials whose biases are well known. No lawsuits over Utah redistricting.

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    March 20, 2017 3:27 p.m.

    Most races in Utah are not competitive because people have largely self-segregated and our political parties generally do a poor job of appealing to those across the aisle.

    Most Democrats choose to live in SLC or Park City. Those small areas are overwhelmingly Democratic and GOP candidates are not going to win unless we gerrymander districts to make the competitive.

    Likewise, most of our suburban and rural areas are overwhelmingly Republican.

    As we saw in the LaVar Christiansen vs Suzanne Harrison race, even a highly GOP district can be very competitive if the minority party nominates a credible candidate who can appeal across the aisle.

    The Democrats utterly failed to do that in their bid for US Senate. Likewise in their bid for the Presidency.

    The 4th Congressional District was quite competitive when Jim Matheson was running. After a decade, it was time for a change.

    Democrats need to nominate moderate candidates running on something other than "my dad was a fine politician."

  • David Centerville, UT
    March 20, 2017 3:12 p.m.

    #1--The Republican Party in Utah will be loathe to do anything that would weaken their grasp and control of state government.
    #2--The national Democratic Party does not represent the values of most Utahn's.
    #3--The state Democratic Party will be loathe to distance themselves from the national Democratic Party.
    #4--It is likely that the state Democratic Party will remain weak and in the super minority, while the state Republican Party will remain strong and in the super majority due to #1-3 above.
    #5--If state Democrats truly want a seat at the table of state government, they need to have a platform that represents the values of enough Utahn's to win elections. No more transgender, unqualified candidates.

  • SG in SLC Salt Lake City, UT
    March 20, 2017 2:58 p.m.

    "The irrefutable fact is that people who spend there time ignoring political issues are mediocre voters at best. Indeed, uninformed voters is all it takes for the rise of the next Kaiser Wilhelm II." -John Charity Spring

    I'm pretty sure that "the next Kaiser Wilhelm II" currently resides at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, thanks in large part to the fans of "Here Comes Honey Boo Boo" and "Duck Dynasty" . . .

  • KellenJW Peachtree City, GA
    March 20, 2017 2:04 p.m.

    "The precise reasons aren’t difficult to pinpoint and solutions remain even more elusive."

    That sentence from the article makes no sense. Somebody needs to proof-read this stuff.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    March 20, 2017 12:00 p.m.

    @2bits "When the DNC gets their act together and starts running more candidates that agree with the majority of the Utah voters (like Jim Matheson)... elections will be competitive, and more voters will show up."

    This reflects the self-satisfied view of Utah's majority that it cannot be wrong about anything, that is, what the majority of Utah wants is necessarily right. Well Utah's majority can be wrong, and I dare say is in a number of areas.

    Democrats need to create some changing of minds in this state. But this will take courage and some lumps taking. But the political situation is volatile - Bernie showed that in our state just months ago - so it can be done.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    March 20, 2017 11:21 a.m.

    @2bits "Start bringing candidates and positions the majority of Utah voters agree with Democrats."

    No, Democrats should make their own case, changing the minds of the majority of Utah voters. Impossible? Don't bet on it. The Republican establishment looks worse and worse. And if Trump manages to mess up the economy or provokes an international crisis Democrats might well start looking good to the Utah electorate.

    But I'm not sure Utah Democrats are up to making a new case to Utah voters. That's where socialists like me will challenge the Democrats to change.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 20, 2017 10:59 a.m.

    Our low voter turn out is probably because one party dominates the elections. But what are we supposed to do about that Democrats?

    It's not Republican's job to fix that.
    It's YOUR job to fix that Democrats!

    Start bringing candidates and positions the majority of Utah voters agree with Democrats.

    When the DNC gets their act together and starts running more candidates that agree with the majority of the Utah voters (like Jim Matheson)... elections will be competitive, and more voters will show up.

    When there's nobody they are really interested in voting for (in either party) voter turn out will be low.

    It's not our fault elections in Utah are boring and a forgone conclusion as soon as the party primaries are over...

    We should all vote. No excuses. But come on DNC... give us somebody we can vote for if you want elections to be close!

    ===

    I know some will blame gerrymandering.... But there's no doubt most Utahns are Conservative. Some parts more than others. But we would have to go way out of our way to gerrymander one District without a Conservative majority in Utah.

    Democrats are going to have to attract some Conservative voters to make elections interesting in Utah.

  • Spangs Salt Lake City, UT
    March 20, 2017 9:11 a.m.

    One interesting point from this article is the likely fact that nonpartisan redistricting would not result in a higher rate of democratic representation. I tend to agree with this. California has seen its races become more competitive, but it didn't result in a wild swing toward the GOP. I would expect something like that to happen here. But that is all I would hope for.

    If there are more GOP voters, then they deserve to elect their own representatives. But it will bring candidates from both parties closer to the center. And that would be a huge benefit to the state and the country.

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    March 20, 2017 8:45 a.m.

    When are in an age where someone can spread obvious lies and people believe them.

    You can't compete with the gullible.

  • Mark from Montana Davis County, UT
    March 20, 2017 8:33 a.m.

    "it starts with competitive races and combating cynicism that says my vote doesn’t count."

    But low turnout, cynicism and non-competitive races are exactly what the Republican Party leadership wants. That is how they stay in power, which is all that matters. Putting good, well qualified people in office does not matter. What matters is putting extreme right-wing people in office that swear allegiance to the party leadership is what matters.

    Why is this so difficult to understand? Just listen to what these people really say, and more importantly, look at their actions. They sued to eliminate a primary race in order to control the nomination process. That simple action tells all.

    Oh, and follow the money as well. Like with the new prison, follow the money.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    March 20, 2017 8:19 a.m.

    I am all in favor of high voter turnout by voters who are informed and concerned about good government, "

    Says the person repeating the wild conspiracy claims of the right of voter fraud in the 2012 election.

    More people voted than registered, Obama received 108% of votes, etc. Claims that are ridiculous on their face, and easily proven lies under scrutiny. Of course the claims aren't about Iowa, or New Jersey, they're about Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Florida, all the states that resulted in a Romney spanking.

    You have to admire any Democrat that would enter the Utah political fray that is obsessed with guns, abortion, and liquor. If you have any inclining of a progressive, let's make life better agenda you lose in this state.

    Of course the mechanics of the loss are important such as gerrymandering etc. but to even want to fight the headwinds of cultural obsessions here is admirable, if mostly futile.

  • unrepentant progressive Bozeman, MT
    March 20, 2017 8:19 a.m.

    Umph,

    Low turnout in a one party state populated by young folks dominated by a conservative religion.

    What else would one expect? And we all know that once an entity gains total control of a populace, it is loath to give up that advantage. So to expect that the Republican party would advocate a nonpartisan commission to draw legislative districts and to open up the voting process by making it easier to vote is like asking someone to take a poison.

    Nothing is going to change, so Utah get used to it.

  • John Charity Spring Back Home in Davis County, UT
    March 20, 2017 8:19 a.m.

    The DNews criticism of low voter turnout is right in one regard, but wrong in another. It is sad that more voters don't take their civic duty
    seriously. However, it is a good thing when those who are not serious
    refrain from voting.

    The Founding Fathers knew that the vast majority of the public would never make the effort required to educate and inform themselves about the issues and candidates. That is why they gave the right to elect senators to the States, not the people.

    The irrefutable fact is that people who spend there time ignoring political issues are mediocre voters at best. Indeed, uninformed voters is all it takes for the rise of the next Kaiser Wilhelm II.

    So I urge the DNEWS to dish out criticism more carefully. If anything
    deserves criticism, it is the 17th Ammendment, which has given uninformed voters the ability to choose senators.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    March 20, 2017 7:59 a.m.

    Clearly, many Utah voters are demoralized and don't see the point any more. As a result, we have one party control, and the corruption that comes from that. The politicians in power don't fear or respect the voters. They know that they can do pretty much anything and not fear being turned out of office and lose not only the position but also the power and money they get on the side. Utah is as corrupt as other places that have more of a reputation for corruption. Until the voters decide to do something about it, it will only get worse.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    March 20, 2017 7:53 a.m.

    "I am totally opposed to high turnout by those only motivated by the hopes of voting for "free stuff" promised by some candidates."
    Really?
    Turnout is turnout. You don't get to disparage it because people show up and don't vote the approved way.

  • liberal larry Salt Lake City, UT
    March 20, 2017 7:32 a.m.

    The answer is simple! Everyone in the state should do as I've done, and become a registered Republican! That way we can have a say in the primaries and move the legislature to the left.

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    March 20, 2017 7:22 a.m.

    Gerrymandering in Utah is just another example of how the Utah Republican Party takes Utah voters for granted.

    Since the GOP has a supermajority in the Legislature that enables them to make decisions out of the public eye, in private caucus meetings... why would they ever want to change?

    Unless top LDS Church leadership tells them its a moral issue that is harming Utah citizens, I would expect the GOP to further slice up Salt Lake County to get a 5th slice of pizza, in 2020.

    And our representatives in Congress will avoid Town Hall meetings, maybe holding them in "safe place" locations like Kanab, or Heber, or Saratoga Springs.

  • Rick for Truth Provo, UT
    March 20, 2017 7:20 a.m.

    You want to improve voter turn out, give a $50 tax credit for each voter. Move elections to a Saturday. Make it easier and desirable to vote and people will turnout.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 20, 2017 7:09 a.m.

    So, why is low voter turnout bad?

    If someone cannot even bother to fill out a vote by mail ballot, let alone go to a neighborhood polling place, that is a pretty good indicator that they really do not care at all about elections or voting, They likely know absolutely nothing at all about the candidates or issues. Or, worse, they may only know something totally absurd pushed by massive spending on advertising by parties or surrogates. This has given us the term "low information voters" which is certainly apt.

    Now, let's look at some of the other places with high voter turnout. Some Democrat strongholds achieve voter turnout of over 100% of the number of registered voters. Is this really a way to get the best government or elect the most qualified people?

    I am all in favor of high voter turnout by voters who are informed and concerned about good government, such as those who show up for caucuses, conventions and primaries.

    I am totally opposed to high turnout by those only motivated by the hopes of voting for "free stuff" promised by some candidates.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    March 20, 2017 6:16 a.m.

    Why? Because it is a closed system and votes really don't matter all that much. Who wins and looses is decided by party elite in the private home caucuses. Much of what happens after that is more for show than anything else. Utah is effectively a single party state run by the same group of people each and every election. Why would anyone waste their time voting when the outcome is really never in doubt.

    And I think that is how the majority of Utahan's like it.... nice and stable.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    March 20, 2017 6:05 a.m.

    "But it is not inappropriate to urge the state GOP to be more open in its nominating process and to stop fighting reforms."

    Riiight. It's the Utah way, those in power do their best to lock other out. Kind of like expecting incumbents to vote for term limits.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    March 20, 2017 5:59 a.m.

    "redraw political districts through nonpartisan commissions "

    That is just too much common sense. This should be the rule. Except that parties set the rules and the rules always benefit them.

    "Last year, 74 percent of House seats were either decided by landslide margins or were uncontested."

    Yup. Because the districts are so gerrymandered.

    The problem is partisanship. We are fine with any advantage that our party can get in an election.
    The last presidential election proves that point perfectly.

    Until we put country over party we will struggle. And it is only getting worse.
    It is time to wake up people.

  • sashabill Morgan Hill, CA
    March 20, 2017 3:49 a.m.

    What ever happened to Calvin Rampton, Scott Matheson, Frank Moss, Wayne Owens, or Gunn McKay?

  • PamFlinders Sandy, UT
    March 20, 2017 3:36 a.m.

    I agree it is frustrating to vote in Utah. And I'm not even a Democrat!

    Moderate Republicans are overwhelmingly common in Utah, yet in recent years it seems to be a race to the right, with candidates increasingly radical every election cycle. I look at the candidates now and am alarmed at the anti-science rhetoric and lack of compassion in the bills that come out. I understand and support the need for fiscal conservatism, but cutting support to children's healthcare so that a billionaire can get a tax cut is cruel and will not build a better America.

    Where are the moderates? When will they rise up and take hold of the party again - and embrace pragmatism over dogma?

  • JBs Logan, UT
    March 20, 2017 12:15 a.m.

    While I vote in every election, it is discouraging to not have better candidates from all parties to vote for, so I can understand why people get cynical.

    We need two parties in this state for it to be healthy politically. That isn't ever going to happen until we vote for the best candidate, regardless of party. No political party has all the answers, so country or state over party every time.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    March 20, 2017 12:12 a.m.

    "The numbers have been tabulated and Utah was in the bottom tier of states for voter turnout in the 2016 general election. "

    The Democratic Party of Utah must sell a program or view to the Utah electorate. It's not impossible. Consider the excitement generated by Bernie Sanders here. It was amazing! I believe if the Democrats had nominated Sanders the Utah Democratic Party would have been revived.

    But unfortunately it's the same old Utah Democratic Party, trying to appeal to Mormon voters by being the Republican Lites, and avoiding discussion of abortion at all costs.

    The Utah Democratic Party needs to attack the abortion issue head on. I belong to a socialist party. We hope to run candidates in 2018. Here's what we will do with the abortion issue. We decry the large number of abortions, as such is contrary to nature. But we understand abortion is a consequence of the abuse of women in large part. We defend the rights of women and desire to empower them in every way. Empower women to reduce abortion.

    Moreover Utah Democrats need a viable party to their left to keep them honest.