In-person forums are 'gold standard' for political engagement, activist says
Trump was and is a role model for some of that very bad behavior. People at the
top need to set the example & culture and hope that filters down.
Stewart said that he will have adequate security and he wants to hear from those
who may disagree with him. It will be interesting to see the results of this
@ Frozen FractalsAgree that civility and decency should always win
the day. But if those town halls weren't so raucous, if everyone just sat
there politely, 24,000,000 people would have lost their health care. Sometimes
pushback is required. A country can't be run by conservative think tanks.
@Utah Girl Chronicles"Now GOP voices are being shouted down in town
meetings and suddenly that is so wrong. It 's funny how attitudes about
civility and decency change so quickly."Or back in 2009-2010 the
Tea Party protests were shouting down Congressional representatives at town
halls. Personally I thought those were rude then (though ultimately effective I
suppose considering the midterms) and I think people on my side of the aisle are
being rude now. There's plenty of ways to challenge members of Congress or
even protest without just being disruptive.
I get a good laugh from that sign the one lady is holding that says, "Are
you listening to your party or your people?" Most voters don't mind if
their candidates put their party first, as long as it's the one the voter
wants them to.
It's not hard to hearken back to the GOP primary where there were 17
candidates scrambling to have their voices heard. The candidate with the loudest
voice won.That was a successful strategy. Millions of people voted
for the man with the loudest voice. Now GOP voices are being shouted down in
town meetings and suddenly that is so wrong. It 's funny how attitudes
about civility and decency change so quickly.
Respectful citizens won't show up to shouting matches which is something
Ms. Seed and her followers seem to encourage and revel in. Please, be
respectful and put down the signs during Town Hall Meetings. Let the elected
representative share his/her views and then raise your hand to ask a question,
giving others the opportunity to ask their question. Shouting, even yelling, is
so disrespectful and holding up alike signs in unison is something akin to
lemming behavior. Brutish behavior does not win.
Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Virginia, Wisconsin, North Carolina... their
congressional delegations in 2012 were heavily tilted to Republicans despite
Obama winning all of those states aside from a narrow loss in North Carolina.
That's the power of gerrymandering. The GOP controls many more
governorships and state houses so they stacked the deck. Do Democrats
gerrymander too? Yep. My House district in Maryland where I grew up got altered
to take in more DC suburbs to pair with western maryland flipping the reliably
red seat blue. Isn't this wrong when done in either direction?
Shouldn't we all want independent commissions drawing the maps in all of
@Impartial7 If you want to be heard, speak softly and respectfully. Shouting
is a sure way for your point of view to be ignored, whether you're talking
about government, disciplining teenagers, convincing a spouse of your point of
view, working with and not against a supervisor at work, etc. Tantrums result
in one being removed from the situation and their opinions being ignored and
subsequently rejected. Why is that so hard to understand? Grown adults ought
to be embarrassed by their behavior, not exult in it. Funny that those who want
to be heard are so motivated to be disruptive and disrespectful to the very
persons they want to listen to them. Talk about a failure to get across what
I have only been a resident of Utah for 18 months and as a registered Republican
who did NOT vote for Trump, I continue to be completely underwhelmed with his
policies and behavior and have attempted to contact my representative and
senators on multiple occasions to register my disapproval and concerns. When I
call, I receive voicemails telling me to leave a message (the mailbox is always
full), and when I e-mail, I occasionally get promises of return e-mails with
answers to my questions (only one response has ever come). In the case of Ms.
Love's office, sometimes I've had a pleasant conversation with an
actual human being who politely records my question and says she'll pass it
on to the congresswoman (my questions have never been answered, but I do get
pleas for campaign donations). Therefore, I understand the frustrations of many
who feel that their "traditional efforts" to be politically engaged are
continually thwarted and that apparently the only way to get a representative to
respond (unless you're a rabid Republican willing to donate cash) is to
protest and shout at a public event. I commend Rep. Stewart for being willing to
enter the fray!
I don't think, in the case of our representatives, that it's so much a
case of "they think they know what they're going to hear." Rather,
it's a case of knowing that, whatever they may try to say, they'll
simply be shouted down. An emphasis on civility is the key to a legitimate
exchange of ideas.
Start listening to people and pass around a microphone at these meetings and
people won't have to yell.
@Impartial7Come now. Don't blame gerrymandering. You can't do
much in a state where Mike Lee lost in only one county - Summit County. And that
was close. (9409 to 9610.)Hillary won in Salt Lake and Summit, but
you have to admit that Misty Snow and Evan McMullin were both outliers.So gerrymandering for democrats would be a few drops of blue blood in SLC,
Ogden (but not Hill AFB), parts of Logan up by the university and parts of the
west side of the valley (Magna, but not Murray, for example).A great
example of real gerrymandering is IL-4. It looks like earmuffs but is 72%
Latino. Unlike a hypothetical Utah democrat district at least it is
contiguous.Democrats used to attract the farmers, but, like blue
dogs, that ship has sailed.No one has carved up Utah to snatch power
from the democrats. That isn't possible...or necessary.So...yes, democrats deserve a voice at town hall meetings; but that
doesn't mean they should hijack it for a bash-Trump rally.
If I recall the town halls when the ACA was being implemented were not cordial.
@Partisan7,The GOP created this?So not getting your way
justified boorish behavior? A lot of people disagreed with Democrat Rep. Jim
Matheson and his party. But he was treated with respect when he held town
meetings.Democrats are not entitled to an urban only, Democrat safe
district. Being rude and threatening violence isn't going to work in
Utah.Creating a Democrat safe district would make all 4 districts
completely uncompetitive. In the most recent federal, Statewide Senator race,
Democrat primary voters chose a transgender cashier over a much more credible
candidate. Misty failed to crack 30%. That is not gerrymandering. Even
Chicago Democrats can't gerrymander a Statewide races.Who would
the Democrats nominate in a guaranteed Democrat safe district?We
don't need more extreme candidates.Utah's political
minority needs to stop throwing temper tantrums and grow up. Enjoy the great
culture here, or vote with your feet and enjoy the liberal policies and sunshine
in California. The majority dowant want Utah to have Cali policies or culture.
@Impartial7 Where you get your 1 million Democrats number? According to Utah
Lieutenant Governor Election website there are 175,039 Democrats Active and
inactive. Total 1.5 million total voters. Democrats make up an 11% slice of
voters.Last Chaffetz town hall was filled with people outside of the
district, intellectual dishonesty is not a virtue. Facts matter, Trump won the
election, vocal minorities do not represent the majority.
The California Democrat party created this mess too! In their greed for total
political domination they gerrymandered the most populous, and conservative
counties into irrelevance. You've got any number of democrats diluting
parts of A number of Republican counties gaining the democrats the majority
with the rest of their territory. Over 15.2 million Republicans(40 percent of
California) have a dramatically reduced voice losing 7 congressional seats
severely limiting fair representation. It should be illegal. And illegal in
Illinois as well and NY and So on. You see we are mad too, but after each census
based on population and each states rules it happens too both sides!
Perspective. 4 years to a Census and 4 years to a presidential election. In the
mean time our job is to make America a better place. Give the cities a chance to
blossom. At least President Trump wants to try.
If yelling is the only communication skill you have, no wonder no one wants to
listen. A wise man once facetiously asked, "Why communicate when you can
Good for Rep Stewart. I respect his decision to listen, even when he has a
pretty clear idea that exchanges are going to be heated. The founding fathers
had extremely heated debates with one another, so why would anyone expect town
halls to be love fests? Reasonable people can disagree and be angry at each
other. It's when we don't communicate that there is a problem.
Only 9% of registered voters are signed up as Democrats and 20% self identify as
Democrat. Of the unaffiliated, the numbers are similar which result in approx.
25% of the voting population in Utah are voting for the democrat ticket. 68% of
those live in SLC proper representing 50% of that population. If Salt Lake City
had it's own representative, it would be a competitive race every election.
While I dislike the Democrat party it seems that I would agree with
some that the gerrymandered districts are unfair. As to the town
halls, it amuses me that some would claim that the disruptions seen in the
Chaffetz town hall were grass root uprisings. They were clearly orchestrated
and disrupted as a protest effort. Sad really. It is why I have never
seriously considered the Democratic party as something I wanted to be a part of.
Too much victim-hood. Too much ends-justify-the-means thinking.
So what do we think of the telephone town halls?Personally I think they
are attempts to control the agenda.Do only approved people get the chance
to speak?To me it seems like a late night TV infomercial for the candidate
@Thirdtryscreen name:"Truth be told, when these whiners take over a
meeting it just splashes back on the protesters. They don't gain support by
it."Do you understand the dynamics of Chaffetz' town hall
in Cottonwood Heights? They ARE his constituents. They didn't take over
anything-the rest of his district from Provo, Orem, Blanding, Price, etc.
weren't there. Plus, as the head of the House Oversight Committee, a lot of
folks from both parties want him to investigate Trump. That's what happens
when you wander into a gerrymandered district and mistakenly expect it to be
friendly, like your Utah County compliant voters.
A Rep needs to talk to his constituents, but about the things he can control. An
anti-Trump tantrum is NOT a visit with your Rep.If town halls
aren't productive, why hold them?You can do phone town halls.
You can send out newsletters. You can do on-line chats.Nothing says
you have to give a platform to dissidents. Nothing.Trump won. Get
over it. Leave the local guys alone...or you'll end the deal for
everyone.Truth be told, when these whiners take over a meeting it
just splashes back on the protesters. They don't gain support by it.
The Utah GOP created this mess. In their greed for total political domination,
they gerrymandered the most populous, and most liberal County into irrelevance.
You've got Mia Love, Jason Chaffetz & Chris Stewart all representing
and diluting parts of SL County while gaining Republican LDS majority's
with the rest of their territories. Over 1 million Democrats (1/3 of Utah's
population) have ZERO voice or Congressional representation. It should be
illegal. People are mad and rightly so.