How could BYU be behind the entire game but, "Trailing by seven at halftime,
UT Arlington didn’t wear down in the second half."
Reading the comments from both Utah and BYU fans after both teams lost in the
firs round of the NIT (!) is possibly the most absurd thing I've ever seen.
You're arguing over which program is closer to being able to claim,
"We're number 85!" for this season. Guys and gals,
what's next? You want to fight over which of you is the skinniest kid at
Deep Blue,"Haws and Emery need to learn that they can't
shoot NBA 3's so much. They are hurting the flow of the game by launching
their long range shots."You left the last sentence out of my
above comment on the 3's taken by Haws and Emery.I realize the
season shooting percentages by both players. I don't think they tell the
whole story however. BYU played three P5 conference teams this year (USC,
Illinois and Colorado) plus two other strong programs (Gonzaga twice and SMC
three times). I would argue that these teams have better athletes and play
better defense than the remaining teams BYU played. In these games Haws shot 40%
from beyond the arc and Emery shot 23.5%. While Haws kept his percentage in line
with his seasonal average, Emery wasn't close. While there is
no statistic kept on shooting percentages when these guys shoot NBA range
3's, which they do, I would argue that their shooting percentages drop
considerably. I say this because I attend all the home games and watch as many
away games as are available in my cable package. I stand by my
comment, particularly as it relates to Emery.
Did many people (fans) expected BYU to play well? What was the attendance?
ESPN said 7K. In a 22K stadium in the middle of the semester? Who really
thought they would win. The attendance says it all. This team came
together for one game this season. The rest of the time was just.... Offense
is exciting to watch, but really, Rose, you can't win with a bunch of
street ballers and no team. I think the team is doing exactly what Rose is
coaching them to do, run and gun offense.
If you want a coaching change, do what Idablu said, make Haws accountable for
his careless ball handling and make him shooting guard after getting a true
point guard. If that happened, Daddy Haws would have a minor stroke and
Rose's job in the same breath. Haws is going nowhere. Daddy Haws owns BYU
basketball. He is the true coach, but in the stands. I think he knows his son
is not up to the skill level of other players, but he HAS to start regardless.
This might be a source of contention and jealousy on the team, preventing them
from being all they can be.I agree, get Haws out of his starting
role, make him a shooting guard instead of a point guard. Bring him off the
bench now and then. But that will never, never happen.
Too many injuries, players leaving, and a young team made a disappointing
season. But some key wins helped to overcome total disappointment. Look at the
good. Time to regroup and bring in players that will challenge all starters and
maybe some of the starters will become backups.
CaliCoug"Haws and Emery need to learn that they can't shoot
NBA 3's so much."Haws made 40.4% of his 3s this year, as a
true Freshman, passing Jimmer's Senior year for 5th best in a season
(minimum 70 3s). Haws was 4-9 last night.Emery was 2nd on the team
at 37.1%. Emery was 3-7 last night.Haws and Emery aren't the
problem. It's the complete lack of scoring from BYU's bench that is
BYU's biggest problem to solve for next season.That, and better
Jello is GoodDo you know what gives me the right to disagree with
your assessment of Rose's performance? My church donations as
well as my donations to the Cougar Club and finally the money I pay for game
tickets. I've been a fan of BYU basketball since before BYU won
the 1966 NIT Championship - in fact, I used to own a program signed for me
personally by every member of that team.Rose doesn't coach one
of the most stalwart defenses in the country, but his offense, when clicking,
rivals any offense in the country in production and excitement.Rose
is the same coach who would have lead BYU to the Final Four and possibly a
national championship, if BYU's post-season hadn't been derailed by
the Davies suspension.I'm completely confident that if Rose can
keep his core group of players together - Mika, Emery, Haws, Bryant, and Childs
- and can get more production from his bench, the Cougars will have a very good
chance of challenging Gonzaga for the WCC championship next season.BYU fans who are clamoring for Rose's head, need to take a step back and
realize that BYU could do a whole lot worse - look no further than the nose dive
Utah's program took after Majerus left.
Jello"BYU has had young teams before, but none in the 40 years I
have been watching Y basketball has made me as frustrated as this team."BYU has never had a starting lineup that consisted entirely of Freshmen
and Sophomores, yet BYU's 22-12 record this year (Rose's worst),
exceeds the records 38 of the 56 teams (68%) coached by Watts to Cleveland.As Bluecoug said, BYU fans with short-term memories, have gotten spoiled
with 20 win seasons.
Sanity....over and over and over....By the way coach Rose, for the
sanity of the fans would you mind yelling at a player once in awhile? Maybe when
they just basically hand the ball to the opponent, walk three steps with the
ball to put an elbow into the face of the defender (Emery last night), or launch
30 footers with a hand in their face, or wave to an offensive player as he
streaks by for a basket?Don't yell at Beo though. He looks
very soft and fragile.It's just hard watching the same mistakes
over and over and over and over.
@Jello"As to the "high road", it's a valley thus by
definition there are not too many "high roads". There is the straight
and narrow path with the iron rod next to it. We always take that one."Good one! That gave me a pretty good chuckle. I really like your
perspective.As for me,...I feel relieved that I have been finally
put out of my misery over this very frustrating team.I doubt Rose is ready
to leave, nor likely to be fired. But next year will be no different (definitely
not better), and he risks replacement, unless he is willing to make some drastic
changes:1. Clean house with his coaching staff and get someone who is a
proven defensive guru.2. Stop his love affair with Haws and make him
accountable for his carelessness with the ball and his utter disregard for
defense. 3. Give up on Haws as a 1 and work him in as a shooting guard
AFTER #2 (above) has been accomplished.4. Get a real, proven point guard
NOW.More experience is not going to save next season. That is
clearly evident by the fact this team, except for the aberration at Gonzaga, did
NOT improve by the end of the season. There needs to be wholesale changes in
coaching philosophy to turn this ship around.
wise-sage"BYU is a lock for 20 wins every year because of the
easy preseason and playing in the WCC."Half of the Dave Rose era
was spent in the MWC, where Rose had an even better record than he's had so
far in the WCC.You only assume that 20 wins are a lock because
Rose's teams have been so consistent that you've come to expect it.If 20+ win seasons is so "easy", then why has no other coach in
BYU history even come close to recording 12-straight 20+ win seasons.Coach - 20+ win streak / best season / worst seasonWatts - 2 straight /
28-9 / 8-17Potter - 0 straight / 19-7 / 11-15Arnold - 3 straight /
25-7 / 12-14Andersen - 2 straight / 26-6 / 14-15Reid - 6 straight /
25-7 / 1-25 Cleveland - 2 straight / 24-9 / 9-21Rose - 12 straight /
32-5 / 22-12Unlike every one of his BYU predecessors since 1950,
Rose has never had a losing season.And let's not forget, Rose
is 12-6 versus Utah, including 11 of the last 15, with three 20+ point blowouts.
He's 7-1 versus the Utes in the Marriott Center, with the lone loss, a
4-point nail-biter during Utah's best season during the Dave Rose era.
ACCOUNTABILITY AND FANTASYIf Coach Dave Rose thinks the huge problem
with this team is youth and the coaching is just fine then he is delusional and
not much will change.By the time he can't use youth as an
excuse Mika will be in the NBA and they will be "young" again.
@ Blue Coug:"Some BYU fans have become spoiled by the regularity with
which Rose pumps out 20+ win seasons." BYU is a lock for 20 wins every
year because of the easy preseason and playing in the WCC. Did this team
improve during the year?? Even though they were young they had a lot of
playing time so that's not an excuse. Do you watch other teams offences,
then watch ours? Same thing with our defense. We have the talent and yes some
guards take bad shots but in almost every occasion its with a defender in their
face they good and talented. Compare that to the open shots we let every team
have. Imagine if the mindset was pass first, instead of dribbling till you get
in trouble? Yes that's called coaching.
More questions:1) Does Coach Rose have any retirement plans?2) Is
there an administrative job he could get with BYU, kind of like Cleveland?3) Mendenhall left, Sitaki came in and had a decent first year. This next
one looks like it could be even better. Mendenhall left for a better job.
Could Rose be enticed to just leave? We don't care how, as long as he
left; like someone earlier said, going, going, gone. Should that happen might
it be possible to get a real coach that could and would teach the players
something and maybe would not be intimidated by the father of one of the LP2 and
bring the other LP2 under control.4) Does Mr. Holmoe care anything
about the BB program or is he strictly the AD for football and just lets the
rest of the program alone?5) Does anyone in administration at BYU care
about the direction the BB program is going?6) Are they all blinded by
the cheap 20 win seasons?I have said before and I will say it again.
If you keep on doing what you have been doing, you are going to keep on getting
what you have been getting. If you do not like what you have been getting, you
have to change what you have been doing. Hint: get a new BB coach
A team from the Sun Belt puts up 105 points, on byu, at byu.The game is
televised on ESPN2 so that few could miss it..That kind of exposure is
priceless.I love Coach rose.I hope he continues to coach/emphasize
defense, at byu, for decades.
Amazingly there are double the number of posts on this article than the Utes
loss. So either the Cougar fans are more passionate than Utah fans and dwell on
their losses and post on them more often than the Ute fans do. Or the Ute fans
like to bag on the Cougs more than the BYU fans bag on the UTES. In either case
this was a loss that the Cougars are going to continue to suffer every year as
long as they continue to play undisciplined basketball. To win in basketball you
really only have to do two things. Win the rebound battle and make your foul
shots. If you happen to have less turnovers than the other team that helps also.
Notice I did not say run and gun basketball, I said undisciplined. There are
many teams that are run and gun and play very sound basketball, the Cougs not so
much. Get some defense.
I'm wondering about a few things. 1) when UTA scores 50 points in
the paint doesn't the thought cross Rose's mind to fill up the middle
with some beef like Dastrup or Kaufusi. Mika cannot do it all by himself. No
one else can either. 2) I saw Emery throw the ball in the direction of
the net when he was between half court and the NBA 3-point line and he had a
hand in his face. Doesn't that sound like a time for him to get a few
splinters? 3) When BYU has 20 TO's, doesn't it sound like time
to make a slight change in the strategy? Oh, I know, Rose and Quinn have no
strategy. 4) Why does everyone criticize LP3? They should criticize LP2
and leave Mika out of it. He is the only one doing a consistently good job.
5) Does Rose ever read these comments or does he just go golfing after a
game? 6) Does Rose even care? 7) Do any of the players work on their
weaknesses after practice or do they just put in their time dribbling around for
a few minutes and then throwing the ball at the basket? 8)
Shouldn't the other players take a lead from Mika? He was not happy with
his FT % so he worked on it and made it better.9) Why doesn't Haws
sit when he is ill?
@BlueCoug - Provo, UTMarch 16, 2017 12:37 p.m."Nope, just
the reality that you're unwilling to accept because of your hatred of
Rose."Dude, are you delusional? Nothing in "sports",
(entertainment) causes me to "hate" anyone. Dave Rose is a nice man. I
have enjoyed many a barbeque with him and his family. But that doesn't
stop me from having an opinion on the job he is doing.Do you know
what gives me the right to complain about his performance? My church donations
as well as my donations to the Cougar Club and finally the money I pay for game
tickets. It is time for a major change in attitude. BYU has had young teams
before, but none in the 40 years I have been watching Y basketball has made me
as frustrated as this team. I can assure you that frustration is
small in nature to things that really matter in life. I would compare it to the
frustration when you turn on the light switch only to find out the bulb
doesn't work. Not a big deal, you live with it for a while, a finally when
it's annoying enough, you take out the bulb that doesn't work and put
in what does.Is it time to change the light bulb?
Any time you give up 105 points in a college game, you can't blame youth
and inexperience. 105 points in 40 minutes! UTA only scored over 100
points once this season against the doormat of the Sunbelt. BYU has no
commitment to defense. Their offense isn't good enough to bail out the
terrible defense.If you need a good reason to have a coach who
focuses on defensive fundamentals, watch the 30 for 30 special about Dave
Rose's alma mater, Houston's Phi Slamma Jamma. Great offensive team,
but when teams played transition defense against them their offense wasn't
good enough.Who would have thought that the Utah Jazz would be the
basketball highlight in March when basketball season started?
Nothing good to say about the current state of college basketball in Utah. BYU
and Utah's 20 win seasons felt more like .500 seasons. USU, WSU, and UVU
struggled even though the latter two are still playing CIT and CBI. Looking
forward to better days for all of the teams.
Jello GuyYou are not even close to the same group I referenced. You
are a BYU fan, not a Utah hater. Your comments are generally pretty genuine. Not
just a hate filled comment; looking for a reaction/fight. That's the MO of
those folks Notice they are no where to be seen when their team loses?
There's a name for that but I can't say it.. Have a good one and enjoy
the tournament. Peace!
Nothing good to say about the current state of college basketball in Utah. BYU
and Utah's 20 win seasons felt more like .500 seasons. USU, WSU, and UVU
struggled even though the latter two are still playing CBI. Looking forward to
better days for all of the teams.
Jello is Good"That sounds like a lot of excuses followed by
rationalization and topped off with a healthy dose of complacency."Nope, just the reality that you're unwilling to accept because of your
hatred of Rose.The maturity of an experienced, well-coached team
dominated by Juniors(6) and Seniors(6) was on display last night juxtaposed
against a team dominated by Freshmen(6) and Sophomores(4).Kaufusi, a
backup, bench player, is the ONLY player on BYU's entire roster who started
the season with more than a year's experience at BYU, and he didn't
join the team until late December, after football season ended.The
only other upper-classmen - Davis, L.J. Rose, and Guinn - are all transfers, who
started the season with only a year's experience, or less, at BYU.#341 Kentucky was the only team in KenPom's bottom 25 in experience that
was invited to the NCAA.For comparison to #338 BYU, see teams with
similar player experience:#334 Oklahoma(11-20), #336 Penn St(15-18),
#337 LSU(10-21), #339 Massachusetts(15-18), #342 Texas(11-22), #345 Iowa(19-14),
#347 Washington(9-22), and #348 Oregon St.(5-27)Were all of those
teams also poorly coached?btw, UT Arlington was #13
Robyuuki - Lewisburg, PAMarch 16, 2017 10:46 a.m.Defense?BYU did not loose to the better team. They lost to a healthy team, that played
like a team.------------This comes up far too often on
these DNews boards. UT Arlington was a better team. End of story. BYU got curb
Embarrassing.... got blown out at home. Where is your pride as a
man, as a team, as a university??LP3 to the moon and beyond...
"My observation of BYU basketball this year has been that their team is too
occupied with scoring and not defending."Well said. I'm
not going to call for regime change at BYU simply because I doubt that the
waiting list to coach basketball at BYU is very long. However, changes need to
be made to the team philosophy and a better meritocracy needs to be established.
And above all else - play better (or some) defense!
My observation of BYU basketball this year has been that their team is too
occupied with scoring and not defending. It's as if Haws and Emery are
saying "I got my 20 points...what else do you want?" But it's also
a philosophy that is ingrained in many BYU players.....let's run and gun.
Look at Jimmer....no one took more field goal attempts than Jimmer. Did he
score? Sure. But that's only one aspect of the game. Coach Norman Dale
from HOOSIERS hit it on the head, "There's more to basketball than
shooting....there's fundamentals and defense."Utah had a
different problem in that they were so preoccupied with running their offense
that they lost focus on scoring or taking the ball to the hoop. That's why
they had a lot of shot clock violations. Plus there always seem to be an
opposing player who had the Utes' number, and Utes were poor in defending
against that player.Both teams have much work to do.
BYU fans,After reading all of your posts piling on the Utes
yesterday, it's absolute poetic justice that your team would get ripped
apart at home by a team from the Sun Belt Conference the following day.Karma at its finest.
Oh, Wisesage, enlighten me as to what are "chess bumps" before the game.
I have played chess for 60 plus years and have never heard of "chess
bumps". Is it a technical move like "en passant"?
BYU allowed 105 points? Did anyone play defense? Good grief.
BYU needs some scoring from someone other than Mika. The shot selection of the
LP2 guards is most interesting. BYU needs to recruit someone who can score off
the Bench (WOW!!??? last night??!!??!!) Too bad they let Justin Bean get away.
He averaged 20-10 his Jr. year and 15-8 his senior year after an ACL injury at
the end of his Jr. year (Playing in Oklahoma's largest school
classification) . 6'7" shooter who can drive, dunk, defend. Wins the
Oklahoma All-Star 3 point shooting contest. Great LDS kid and doesn't even
get a look. Sometimes you need to look at your pipeline, and ask if you need
After the total Utah meltdown/fiasco, I needed a "pick me up." This was it.Loved it.
@BlueCoug - Provo, UTMarch 16, 2017 10:27 a.m."Sure, there
have been some disappoints, but overall, Rose has done a remarkable job keeping
BYU competitive through the difficulties faced this season. Some BYU fans have
become spoiled by the regularity with which Rose pumps out 20+ win
seasons."That sounds like a lot of excuses followed by
rationalization and topped off with a healthy dose of complacency.Bottom line if these recruits that are now playing are as good as their rating
then Rose is doing a poor job. If Rose is doing the remarkable job you claim he
is, then this group is over-rated. You cant have it both ways. Actually you
can. This year Rose did a poor job and some of these players are very
I'm just glad they didn't pair Utah and BYU in a first round NIT match
up... it might have gone down as the first time a game couldn't produce a
winner to move on to the next round.
Defense?BYU did not loose to the better team. They lost to a healthy
team, that played like a team. I am not giving an excuse of illness. Instead,
I am saying what I have all year. NO Defense. You cannot continue to collapse
the middle and allow the outside to shoot freely, and expect to win. The boys
don't move, they don't cover. So teams like UTA and St. M's that
can shot from the perimeter when they are not covered, will kill anyone.
Un-defended shooting has been BYU's defensive problem all year. That is
not a freshman's problem, it is a coaching problem. Just like poor shot
selection, and doing nothing to improve it. Look at Duke, they are not afraid
to sit their nationally ranked starters that will not get with the program. It
is time for BYU to sit / SACK some of their assistant coaches.
I didn't get to see the game, only listened on the radio to the 1st half
and then a few minutes during the middle of the 2nd half. I'm glad I
didn't get to watch it, I might have been throwing stuff at the TV. It sure
was depressing hearing UTA get through our "defense" repeatedly for easy
layups. After 3 of those in a row at one point Rose called time out and I
thought ok now he'll do something to get them focused on stopping those
layups. So we inbound the ball and 20 seconds later UTA got another layup going
right through our "defense" without any trouble at all. I sure hope we
see a ton of improvement next season, can't get much worse than this.
Injuries and illness certainly took their toll last night though.
There's no shame in losing to a better team and the game was much more
competitive than the final score suggests. BYU was only down 85-76 with 8
minutes left in the game, before UT Arlington went on a 5-minute, 17-3 scoring
surge to put the game away.If Rose can keep together his core group
of players - Mika, Emery, Haws, Childs, and Bryant - and get better production
from his role players, BYU could be a very good team next season.
Bottom-line:BYU started the season with a very inexperienced team,
and after losing Senior captain Davis early in the season, had only one
returning player with any significant playing experience from last season, a
sophomore, as their "veteran" team leader.Not only was BYU
very inexperienced, #333 in the country, but BYU had to deal with a host
injuries to starters. Bryant started the season injured and wasn't healthy
enough to play for more than a month. Davis suffered a career ending injury
early in the season and BYU's other Senior captain, L.J. Rose, was lost for
the season just before the Pepperdine debacle. Bryant was once again lost for
the UT Arlington game, and both Haws and Childs were sick.Sure,
there have been some disappoints, but overall, Rose has done a remarkable job
keeping BYU competitive through the difficulties faced this season. Some BYU
fans have become spoiled by the regularity with which Rose pumps out 20+ win
seasons.#44 RPI UT Arlington is a very good team that won the Sun
Belt Conference regular season championship and should have been playing in the
NCAA tournament. The Mavericks are much better than #65 BYU, #71
Boise State, or #82 Utah.
Terrible defense + turnovers = lossNo shock there. I was glad to
see the stands well populated, even in a down year the fans support the team.
Let's get rolling for next year, work on foot quickness and defense!
@ekute - Layton, UTMarch 16, 2017 9:45 a.m."Jello is
Good,"emotional safety"?Did some feel bads get
hurt when the rivalry was cancelled?The high road has yet to be
taken down in happy valley."--------That's weak
sauce. Kinda like saying, "Oh yeah?"As to the "high
road", it's a valley thus by definition there are not too many
"high roads". There is the straight and narrow path with the iron rod
next to it. We always take that one.
Lets get real, first about trash talking with Ute fan, I said yesterday we would
lose, why because UTA passes the ball and can shoot period when they are wide
open and we dont know how to play defense. Second we have no offense all the
teams in the WCC know that, they coach get back on defense stop the transition
layups and let BYUs offenses beat you. Since they don't run an offense
every shot taken is a contested shot. Give Rose one year he needs to win 25
games before the playoffs, if not then its a disappointment. Remember he wins
20 games a year cause of our pre-league games and the WCC. If Rose was
didn't have pride he would hire a coach from St Marys, Gonzaga or even UTA
to teach his coaching staff how to play defense and how to run offenses. Rose
has the talent but his #1 assistant coach was the guy that never played but did
all the chess bumps before the game.
Jello is Good,"emotional safety"?Did some feel
bads get hurt when the rivalry was cancelled?The high road has yet
to be taken down in happy valley.
@Spokane Ute - Spokane, WAMarch 16, 2017 9:23 a.m."Tough
way to end the season. One thing that's odd about this thread; many of my
friends (so called BYU fans), talkinsports, sportsauthority, Tom in Cal, down
under, worf, utenymous, etc; are absent. Now that's curious? That's
odd when they had so much to say when Utah lost. "Hey
Sputie-Utie, I'm here and facing the music, but very disappointed you
didn't include me in your group of friends. I thought we were tight.
On defense, play with your left foot forward and center your body on your
opponent's right shoulder and they won't be able to drive around you
with their dominant (right) hand.I was taught that in the 8th grade.
Allowed me to stay in front of my man for 4 years. BYU defenders
play with their feet parallel and center their body on their opponent's
navel. As a result no one can keep their man in front of them. They either
give up a layup or help comes, leaving others open for dunks or wide open 3s.It's happened all year. Poor fundamentals on defense.It's silly to blame youth and inexperience if don't teach
fundamentals. Next year they'll all be a year older, with a year's
more experience practicing bad habits.No one should be surprised
when the results don't change.
@UteNationAlum - Cottonwood Heights, UTMarch 16, 2017 9:12 a.m."I personally would rather lose to a team from the Mountain West by 5,
than a team from the Sun Belt by 16...I wonder how crow
tastes?"It all tastes like chicken. But you knew that....
I'm glad Dick Emery got his points, he's a fighter.
@Henry Drummond - San Jose, CAMarch 16, 2017 8:54 a.m.@Jello
is Good LOL!It does tend to ruin the trash-talking
between Utah and BYU fans when both teams fold like a cheap accordion at the end
of the season. See you in the fall for football.----------------Peace out brother. Can't wait for the next rendition of coulda,
woulda, shoulda. BYU and Utah need each other to be competitive just for the
pure sport of trash talk on comment boards. But just like on the field, some
are more talented and competitive at it than others and some just take it way
If you allow the other team to shoot 92% from the field, commit 48 turnovers
with 75 points off the turnovers....not going to win many games (I haven't
looked at the Box Score--just estimating).
@65TossPowerTrap - Salmon, IDMarch 16, 2017 8:47 a.m."First of all UTA is simply better than BYU. BYU has some real issues to
address and need to make some unpopular political decisions. Second of all, I
want to apologize to all the ute fans that were obviously traumatized by our
tame trash talking yesterday - we just didn't know that you guys had such
tender feelings."----------------Safety first! Even
if it is emotional safety.
@ConradGurch - Salt Lake City, UtahMarch 16, 2017 8:19 a.m."Both sides need to grow up! There are some real 3rd grade spats going on
here."Dude, you might need to do some of that. This is sports
and is for entertainment. Part of the fun is to poke your rival just a little.
I threw shade at Utah after their loss knowing full well that we were going to
get it handed to us last night and Utah would reciprocate. I'm enjoying
IMNHO, We should respect and honor Coach Rose as a man and for his many
accomplishments as our basketball coach. We should also recognize (after
many years of experience) that he can't consistently prepare his team for
important games, that his easy going style of offense and defense will not
produce consistent wins against well disciplined teams or even against decent
teams. We can see the potential once in awhile but never more than that. His recruiting has consistently left BYU without enough quality bigs and his
present coaching methods do not produce consistent player or team improvement.
We understand that he can't get everyone he would like to have when
competing against the best programs in the country but other programs have
consistently made more out of the players they get. All this adds to a
situation that is not likely to allow our men's basketball program to rise
above its present level and become relevant on the national scene as long as he
is head coach.All that said, I can see that there are larger forces at
work here and I am willing to continue to suffer with him and cheer him and our
team on as long as it takes.
Our coaches dont know how to coach and/or make adjustments during games. Our
zone is so bad that UTA either got a layup or an open 3 yet we kept going back
to the zone to mess them up LOL. Teams shoot good against BYU, cause our
coaches don't teach players how to be better players and a team concept.
Look at our offense and movement compared to UTA's or any team we played,
we dribble around other teams pass it around. Rose always blames it on bad luck
or the way the ball bounces he never puts blame on himself which means things
will always be the same. Why cant our coaches at least watch film and copy
other teams offenses or plays?? We have the talent but we don't have the
Tough way to end the season. One thing that's odd about this thread; many
of my friends (so called BYU fans), talkinsports, sportsauthority, Tom in Cal,
down under, worf, utenymous, etc; are absent. Now that's curious?
That's odd when they had so much to say when Utah lost. Anyway;
pretty tough season for both Utah and BYU. Going to the NIT wasn't the
worst thing in the world, but laying an egg at home hurts. Football season is
just around the corner; and this Guy says' Go Zags!
NevadaCoug said, "Simple. Many Utah fans think the Utes are "better"
just because of their Conference. They proclaim loudly that teams from
"mid-major" conferences are beneath them and can't
complete...."Conversely, many BYU fans think they're better
because of their history. Especially in football. And to your point as to
which conference is better in both football and basketball....being in a P5
conference matters....the selection committee for both football and basketball
weigh the competition from the PAC-12 as being more significant than the WCC or
from being independent. That's not a matter of a Ute fan being
"better" or arrogant....it's just a fact. And let's face
facts....if BYU had an opportunity to join a P5 Conference, they'd do it in
a minute. And if your school doesn't belong to a P5 Conference, then by
definition, your team is "mid-major." Doesn't matter if your team
competes better than many P5 teams....that's always the case.....but
you're still a mid-major school.Regardless of your spin....Ute
fans are happy that we've beaten BYU the past 6 in football, and the past 3
in basketball. Arrogant? No....just winning.
I personally would rather lose to a team from the Mountain West by 5, than a
team from the Sun Belt by 16...I wonder how crow tastes?
All season long I basically saw the same thing....Other teams pass
the ball around a few times and find someone so wide open that they could hit
the drive through at McDonalds for a mid game snack and still have time to make
it back to the court in time to drain a 3 before the BYU defense arrives to
contest the shot....BYU on the other hand throws up 3's like
the are playing a game of horse with Darth Vader and think they can use the
force to make the ball go in since they shot it from the Alderaan system with 3
storm troopers in their face....Early in the season it was
frustrating but I was hoping they would find their groove.... At the end of the
season the only grooves were the ones in the road after the wheels came off and
the basketball team was dragging iron as everyone else sped away...BYU
For everyone saying "Karma"My Karma ran over your dogma.
burningblue"BYU should be embarrassed. I hope they are. I hope
Mika is embarrassed. I hope Nick Emery is embarrassed,..."Why
the hatred for Mika and Emery? They were the only two BYU players who showed up.
DraperUteFan"Utah loses to its Blue/Orange kryptonite one night
and Cougar fans pile on. Utah deserved it as they played terribly down the
stretch.How satisfying it was then to see a team that has only made
it to any postseason play 5 times in their history dominate the Cougars."So what your saying is how absolutely exciting it was to see that
NOTHING good came from the state of Utah this year. Not in football and not in
basketball. So go have fun watching your women's gymnastics while BYU fans
watch Rugby and volleyball to get any sense of good teams. Otherwise, this year
is the year of the anti-Utah (state of not college) no one was "good"
from the state of Utah.
@Jello is Good LOL!It does tend to ruin the
trash-talking between Utah and BYU fans when both teams fold like a cheap
accordion at the end of the season. See you in the fall for football.
Dave Rose needs to go,go and Gone !
BYU gives up 105 point to UT Arlington? If this doesn't just smack you
across the face about the lack of defense being taught and played at BYU nothing
ever will. This coach doesn't not or cannot effectively coach
defense and really never has. it's been run and gun and usually miss
because of poor shot selection, We need a new coach. Thanks for time
Coach Rose. I for one, would offer the job to Alex Jensen. But I have no idea if
he'd be interested at all.
First of all UTA is simply better than BYU. BYU has some real issues to address
and need to make some unpopular political decisions. Second of all, I want to
apologize to all the ute fans that were obviously traumatized by our tame trash
talking yesterday - we just didn't know that you guys had such tender
We have tons of final four talent like we've been say all year long.there were a ton of bad ref calls which made us loose.bad refs and
unfair players by them is why we lost.
why wasn't this on the front page of the D-News? Utah's defeat
was front page news and that was a down-to-the-wire game that could have gone
either way.This was complete domination by a superior opponent.
hmmmm...and the excuses were fantastic: so and so missed practice
due to illness, so and so wasn't feeling well, some back-up missed the
game... really? that's it? hahahahaha.....
@Jello is goodJust fine. Thanks for asking. Go Utes.
Why do people pile on Utah when they lose?Simple. Many Utah fans
think the Utes are "better" just because of their Conference. They
proclaim loudly that teams from "mid-major" conferences are beneath them
and can't complete. So, yeah, we laugh when Utah gets bounced from a
post-season tournament by one of those "weak, mid-major teams that are so
beneath them." So, yeah, we laugh at those delusional fans, not the team.Sure, there are a few BYU fans that have the same attitude about teams
like UTA. I think most of us, however, were concerned going into this game. We
know that you can't take any team lightly. We knew UTA probably deserved
an at-large bid to the NCAA Tournament due to their RPI. They didn't get
it because, other than St. Mary's, they didn't have really any quality
wins. But, they beat St. Mary's, a team BYU couldn't even compete
with. So why would we be confident that they would win this NIT match up?The disappointment isn't so much the loss, rather how bad it was.
The lack of defense this season is bewildering. True, Coach Rose teams have
never been known for their defense, but they are usually better than this.
Bottom line we were out coached this season and for several seasons. Rose is an
absentee coach. It is clear by the performance of his teams that
he has lost fire and vision. Our in game adjustments seem to
regularly steps behind the opposing coaching staff's.We have
talent on this team but they, including Mika, have not been allowed to succeed
based on poor game prep and game management. Our team has become predictable
and mediocre.We honor what Rose has done, but unless he is willing
to own and correct his short comings please find a Coach that will
'LaVell' the basketball team and bring us a champion.
The cougs will peak in the off-season. A path to the ncaa's was plotted
even before this game was played. go cougs.
The late great radio play-by-play man of the LA Lakers, Chick Hearn, used to
have a nearly perfect adjective for the defense I've seen played by the
Cougar men in recent years. He called it "Matador defense" - when a
defender would make a lunge or just reach an arm in the way of an opponent
instead of getting himself in front of him, then jump back to try and avoid the
foul call.I don't look for any change in outcomes of games at
the Marriott Center until the Matador defense stops and real hustle &
serious effort to stay between opponent and the bucket begins. If these coaches
aren't going to make sure that happens maybe we should find others who
Both sides need to grow up! There are some real 3rd grade spats going on here.
Also both sides Utah & BYU need to realize that both teams just plain and
simple weren't very good. If you combined both teams they still
wouldn't have made the tourney!
To Cool Whip, Minnesota Ute, xert, Chewbacca and the rest of our Ute
friends....This Cougar fan did indeed see this loss coming. Based
on what I've read here it looks like I'm not the only one. And
because of this, many of us did not pile on and gloat about the Boise St. loss,
knowing that we could very well be facing the same outcome (or worse) in 24
hours. And worse it turned out to be.I for one thought it more
likely that the Cougs would be going down last night than your guys on Tuesday.
Let's all hope for better things next fall, eh?
Thank goodness the Jazz is repping Utah well.
To all you Ute fans who are addressing emails to all us BYU fans:I
enjoyed throwing shade at you on your loss. I accept it in return as we played
horribly. Isn't sports great? But to put it in perspective, how's
your 401k doing?
Another takeaway from this season (and in fact a lot of past seasons in football
and basketball), despite recent Utah football dominance, BYU and Utah have
remarkably similar athletic programs. Every 10 years or so, Utah can get a few
really good players to push them to the elites of football and men's
basketball. But, by and large most seasons are remarkably similar for BYU and
Utah. More evidence this year with both teams bowing out of the NIT in the
first round at home against underdog overachievers.I know most
Cougar and Ute fans hate to hear it. But, it is true.
Looks like BYU fans haven't learned the valuable lesson yet:Don't count your chickens before they've hatched.Total
karma from yesterdays classlessness on the Utah article.BTW Dnews,
why is this article not front page, like Utah's loss was yesterday?
We would like to welcome Brother David Rose as the new mission president of the
? mission. I think this is the only thing that can save the program.He won't leave like Bronco
To all of the Cougar faithful who were so gleeful after the Utes loss Tuesday
night karma can be a -----. Good job UTA!!!
Yesterday Cougie fans were piling on Utah for losing to a mid-major and listed
other losses Utah had to them.Well BYU can now add losing to
UT-Arlington of the Sun Belt Conference to that list of embarrassing losses.It's like a I said yesterday. BYU can't beat Utah in football
or basketball, so they hide behind teams that can. That is the sad state of BYU
athletics.Now that the second rate tournament is out of the way. We
can shift our focus to the only tournament that matters.Let the
madness begin! Good luck to everyone on their brackets.
After reading all those classy comments after the Utah loss. This was a very
enjoyable game to watch. Karma is, exactly what they say it is. Bottom line,
both teams displayed a lack of heart in their losses. Won't win many
My two cents...* I don't think this loss was an upset. UTA is a
better team than BYU.* I hope BYU figures out that Haws is not the right
guy to play the 1. We need to recruit a PG for next year. Someone from either
the JC or international ranks that can run an offense, play some defense and
think pass first.* Mika will be back next year but that will be it. Next
year is the year.* Dastrup must develop big time in the off season. We
need significant minutes from him next year.* Haws and Emery need to learn
that they can't shoot NBA 3's so much. They are hurting the flow of
the game by launching their long range shots. * I hope Bryant's knee
doesn't become a chronic thing.We have a decent nucleus up
front with Mika, Childs and Dastrup, and with Haws, Emery and Bryant at the
wings. If Beo comes back he can also help on the perimeter. These seven guys
really need to work on their games in the off season. The new guy Popoola from
Las Vegas, if he still ends up signing with BYU, has game and will also help on
the outside. That gives us eight quality guys. Coach Rose - Please
find a PG.
Many Cougar fans gushed like happy schoolchildren on Tuesday evening. I
don't think we need to state the reason why. I'm a Ute fan who wishes
to give big props to Coach Rose and the Cougars for a fine 22 wins this season.
Youth sometimes brings misery, but I think this team will be just fine in the
To all the cougar fans who dog-piled on Utah's loss, Karma!To the rest of you. Better luck next year.
BYU just isn't that good. They went out with a whimper. No heart, it
Tough way to end the season. I have to wonder how things would have gone this
season had we not lost the leadership of two solid seniors, Davis and Rose.
Kudo's to the young guys for stepping up and making it interesting. It was great to see the BYU fans filling the seats and supporting the team.I can't wait till next year.Go Cougs.
The Utah and BYU losses were technically upsets based on the seeding, but I
don't think they were upsets in reality. Their opponents are simply better
I'm so glad that this season is over. It was awesome to watch a great team
in action last night. UT is a 'team'. I wonder how many open layups
they had. Pick and Roll plays, and Drive and Ditch plays were rampant. UT had
28 fouls to 16 for BYU, yet no one fouled out. It was a great team effort and
congratulations to the far superior team. If UT wins the NIT, they will have 30
wins. Wow. I wish them well. BYU was taken out by a great team, so they can
choose to learn or return with the same lack of teamwork next season. I wish
them well. It's time to watch the Lady Cougs now. I hope they
come ready to play. They are a team, too.
20 turnovers! You have to take care of the ball. Focus people, focus!!!!!
They will have to spend the summer learning Defense.
62 first half points....At least the Utes didn't get
embarrassed. But I get it, both teams stink.LP3!
Good.......Put us fans out of our misery. What a horrible year with nothing to
look forward to next year. I wouldn't even know where to start over. These
kids from Lone Peak aren't going to cut it. Goes to shows...# of stars, top
100 Mcdonalds all Americans, means nothing. In the overall scheme of things no
matter what sport you play......defense wins championships, and for this
team....defense is a foreign concept. You say the word defense, and they look at
you like deer in the head lights.
That was a typical BYU game. Mika was a beast on both ends of the court. Emery
was fair, but better when Haws is on the bench. The rest of the starters were
horrible and there was no bench. Haws' defense was so bad that sometimes he
wasn't even in frame when his man is scoring. He also had more turnovers
than assists again. Childes simply disappeared. BYU must sign a true
point guard with quickness that can play defense or next year will be just as
disappointing as this. Haws is not ready for prime time.
"against the defenseless". That pretty well sums it up. Another BYU
opponent has another "career night." Watching BYU play is more painful
than a tooth ache. The lack of discipline, teamwork, and defensive effort is
appalling; and it falls squarely on the head coach. I've seen YMCA teams
This was only the second game I have watched in person this season and I was
stunned by what appeared to be major defensive confusion (granted we had some
starters out but this is the end of the season not the first or second week).
Multiple times on defense players seemed out of position, didn't rotate
effectively or exerted token defensive effort. At times we looked like a team
that was playing together for the first time, at least on defense. Really
surprising at this stage of the season. The excessive turnovers didn't
help either (despite some laudable offensive spurts at times). Despite
predictions that UT Arlington would give us trouble, I really did not anticipate
this. We still have our signature win over the Zags but I expected us to go a
long way in the NIT. Too bad.
a wire to wire 16 point win in Provo for UT Arlington. Man... Maybe we will
learn to wait for our own result next time.
Boy, does this sound familiar......
Utah loses to its Blue/Orange kryptonite one night and Cougar fans pile on. Utah
deserved it as they played terribly down the stretch.How satisfying
it was then to see a team that has only made it to any postseason play 5 times
in their history dominate the Cougars.Yeah, UTA looked pretty good,
but BYU made them look like the best team in the NIT. How many back door screen
layups do you have to see before figuring out how to defend them?The
FInal 4 awaits next year Coug fans. On paper at least.
"And BYU was not immune to the [upset] phenomenon."This
statement is true for obvious reasons: poor mental and offensive fundamentals --
over dribbling, lazy passing, and general lack of poise, which reflects their
generally poor preparation. Then to compound the problems losing 20
turnovers and giving up 32 points in the paint to UNDEFENDED cutters and
stationary players under UTA's basket.UTA sliced and diced the
Cougar defense with their crisp passing, reminiscent of the last St. Mary's
debacle.One would be tempted to say that Rose has lost this team;
however, it is more than apparent all season long that he never had this team to
BYU should be embarrassed. I hope they are. I hope Mika is
embarrassed. I hope Nick Emery is embarrassed, but most of all I hope coach Rose
is embarrassed. You just got blown out by a 6 seed in the NIT on
your home court. Congratulations. Isn't this the story of this
year, though. Let me give you a few examples. UVU gets hot and puts 114 on BYU
in the Marriot center. Sand Diego beats them by 13. Pepperdine beats them 16.
BYU has made a habit of getting blown out by bad teams. I never
expected the Cougs to go to the NCAA tournament this year. They had injuries and
almost no experience on this squad. But I did expect them to compete. Maybe not
against ranked teams, but at least against the mediocre mid-majors of the world.
I hope for better results next year, but I'm not holding my
breath. Not until this BYU team shows us some signs of life.
Not sure what to make of a season that started and ended with blowout home
losses to UVU and UT Arlington, sandwiched around a road win over 29-0, #1
Gonzaga, except to hope that BYU learned alot in the process.
Turnovers, no defense, and, except for a brief flurry at the end by Leifson, no
help from the bench, killed BYU.It's difficult to beat a team
as good and as experienced as UT Arlington with only two players - Mika and
Emery. Bryant's loss was huge.Haws was sick; Beo was a turnover
machine; Guinn was an offensive disaster; and Childs seemed to be sleepwalking
through the entire, hardly any effort.With all of the other upsets,
the skids were greased for an easy run to the Final Four. Unfortunately, BYU
fumbled that chance away with 20 turnovers.