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How a church transforms immigrants and immigrants transform a church

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  • Baccus0902 Leesburg, VA
    March 20, 2017 10:09 a.m.

    @ Fitness Freak
    You wrote:

    "It boggles the mind that ANY religion would condone illegal alien trespassing, (or even looking the other way), especially when religions are supposed to PROMOTE good conduct and good moral values." That sounds like something Karl Marx would say.. you know "The opiate of the masses".

    I am so glad that Martin Luther King Jr. didn't agree with you. Neither did Gandhi, Martin Luther and so many others. Particularly comes to mind this Jewish guy that used to work as a carpenter and hang out with a lot of low lives. What was his name? what was his name? I know it will come to me...

  • UtahTroutStalker Draper, UT
    March 20, 2017 9:21 a.m.

    @Third try screen name - Mapleton, UT

    "Churches better keep their heads down when it comes to immigration. But, of course, they won't. They are deep into refugees, missionaries, immigrants, sanctuaries and social causes."

    I am probably not considered a defender of faith or large religious institutions on these comments boards, but your comments are drawing this question from me.

    So what? Faith based organizations, especially Christ based ones would/should in fact be concerned about social causes, providing sanctuary, helping immigrants, refugees, and supporting their missionaries.

  • prelax Murray, UT
    March 16, 2017 2:35 p.m.

    scrappy do
    I will not use the word you used that my Italian relatives consider a slur. Most people I know consider helping legal immigrants as walking in his footsteps, but consider encouraging people to break laws as just the opposite.

    Mixing the two groups has come to hurt legal immigrants, instead of helping to make illegal immigration more tolerable.

  • Third try screen name Mapleton, UT
    March 16, 2017 1:32 p.m.

    While we're at it, did you hear that 30% of the R visas a fraudulent?

    R means Religious, for religious workers and their families.

    I'm pretty sure the Deseret News doesn't want to tackle that issue, especially given the fact that our missionary program runs on such agreements.

    Churches better keep their heads down when it comes to immigration. But, of course, they won't. They are deep into refugees, missionaries, immigrants, sanctuaries and social causes.

  • RRB SLC, UT
    March 16, 2017 1:00 p.m.

    Does a bank robber look different than other people?

    Allowing illegal immigration makes it difficult for the honest ones.

  • scrappy do DRAPER, UT
    March 16, 2017 12:53 p.m.

    The stats are the result of America having more foreign born immigrants.. Legal or otherwise as a percentage of the total population since the turn of the 20th century

    Plus the demographic of immigrants is generally favorable for Catholics... I'm just glad the church helps them out.. That is walking in his footsteps unlike some of the spouting off by conservative waspish type Christians

  • Husker1 Northern Utah County, UT
    March 16, 2017 12:50 p.m.

    @Hutterite "Husker...how does a legal immigrant look different than an illegal one?"

    I have no idea why you ask that question, but they look the same. All the more reason to fight illegal immigration and deport illegals. A drug dealer here illegally can blend in to the community and hide because he is almost untraceable. Some of the 9/11 hijackers were in the US illegally but they blended right in with the people around them on security cameras. Kinda scary if you think about it.

    Beyond looks, there can be many very important differences between legal and illegal immigrants.

  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan Ypsilanti, MI
    March 16, 2017 11:45 a.m.

    This article focuses too much on Catholic immigrants from majority Catholic areas. Even in Latin America there are more and more areas where practicing Catholics are at most a bare mahority. It also ignores the wave of Catholic immigrants from Ghana, Nigeria, Iraq, India, Vietnam and other such countries where they are very much a minority. Among Catholics I know a high percentage are either from Iraq or children of immigrants from Iraq.

  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan Ypsilanti, MI
    March 16, 2017 11:40 a.m.

    The biggest flaw in this article is seeing religious freedom as a longstanding fighting point in the culture wars.

    Religious freedom was not officially embraced as good by the Catholic Church until Vatican 2 in the 1960s.

    At least through 1990 the fight was still focused on discrimination in funding. Religious freedom has only been attacked by the left in the last 10 years or less, and not until very recently did people think Catholic schools could be penalized for firing teachers who entered same sex weddings.

  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan Ypsilanti, MI
    March 16, 2017 11:31 a.m.

    Ms Dallas has done a basic representation of Catholic history. However divisions between those of Polish descent and the German descended leadership led some of the former to form a seperate church in some parts of Michigan and Pennsylvania in the early 20th century. Descendants of 1840s Irish immigrants were no longer immigrants in the 1910s. Also with the high percentage of Jewish immigrants starting in the 1890s combined with mostly Protestant scandinavians and Orthodox Christians from eastern European countries like Serbia and Greece I doubt most European immigrants were Catholics after 1900.

  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan Ypsilanti, MI
    March 16, 2017 11:26 a.m.

    This article's writer misunderstands the right to life movement in the Catgolic context. This is the ultimate social justice movement protecting the unborn, the most vulnerable and defenseless of all people.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    March 16, 2017 11:09 a.m.

    Once again, a good solid effort by the media to blur the distinction between "immigrant", and "unauthorized illegal alien trespasser".

    For clarity the illustration comes to mind that SOMETIMES we invite folks to stay with us for awhile - other times, the goofy great uncle shows up unannounced, and just makes himself to home (preferably when you're not there). In this instance you could call the police and have him removed if you desire. In the case of illegal alien trespassers - nobody seems to care, except all the people who's jobs were lost, and the employers who benefit GREATLY due to the fact that they only need to pay them half wages!

    It boggles the mind that ANY religion would condone illegal alien trespassing, (or even looking the other way), especially when religions are supposed to PROMOTE good conduct and good moral values.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    March 16, 2017 10:06 a.m.

    @Hutterite
    How do you know who is legal and who isn't?
    Well, apparently no one knows, and those we have empowered to sort it out have abdicated their responsibility and gone all "sanctuary" on us.

    So, we can continue to be patsies and just let them run wild. The illegal alien population, by the estimates, make up ONE THIRD of all foreign-born. So, if there is a Spanish branch of your church of 100 people, 35 of them are illegal, and that doesn't count the anchor babies.

    And these groups who feel like they must stand together with the Kenyan deportees are showing their stripes. Either they too are illegal or feel that the USA shouldn't be enforcing our own laws.

    Don't you get it? They come here and want to tell us what to do. Do you see why that might irk people?

    Bill Clinton put together a blue ribbon panel to study the immigration problem in 1994. Barbara Jordan was the chair. She told Congress something very profound and prophetic.

    "Failure to develop more effective strategies to curb unlawful immigration has blurred distinctions between legal and illegal immigrants."

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    March 16, 2017 9:28 a.m.

    Husker...how does a legal immigrant look different than an illegal one?

  • Husker1 Northern Utah County, UT
    March 16, 2017 7:23 a.m.

    From the article: "If young people know their parents are being viewed in a certain light or persecuted because they're immigrants, they may not feel they fit in at school or church," she said. "People are living with a lot of fear."

    Here we go again. There is very, very little discrimination against legal immigrants. The distinction between legal and illegal is extremely important but often seems to be ignored. There is nothing to fear if immigrants are here legally.