I am a Chaffetz constituent. I can tell you from the many conversations I have
had with my conservative Mormon neighbors that they would like to see him
investigate Trump's Russia connection. They dismissed it all of it until
last week. The tide is turning Mr. Chaffetz, you better get on the boat now.
Don't like Chaffetz? Vote him out. There is already someone who is
running against him.
No town hall meetings and Trump saying the media is the enemy of the people.
Sounding more like Nazi Germany every day rather than the United States of
What was Jason expecting to happen at that meeting. He wasn't going to
hear job well done once he gets on the jet to fly back to Utah.I
really thought he would make a difference for Utah and was happy when he got in.
Sadly it is now apparent he listens to his largest donators who are not from
Utah and the rest of us suffer.Jason, here is a wake up call, you
represent all of us, not just your friends. You want to cancel town hall
meetings, yet your office won't answer the phone, and your voice mail
remains full, avoiding Comments you choose not to hear.Just what has
changed since WE elected you?
@Vanceone: "Just this week leftist "Protestors" and
"Constituents" sent a Republican staffer to the hospital through violent
acts..."Rep. Dana Rohrabacher's Huntington Beach office. A
group of constituents who are mostly retirees have been visiting
Rohrabacher's office every week, on Thursday afternoon, to deliver a
request that he hold a Townhall.His staff locks the constituents out
and refuse to talk with them. The constituents – a group of
retirees – have their request printed and signed and slide it under the
door. On Thursday one of Rohrabacher's staffers opened the
door, accidentally hitting 2 year old the granddaughter of a "protester"
in the head. One of the "protesters" grabbed the door to
protect the child and it caused the staffer to lose her balance and fall. The "protesters" helped her up, apologies all around, later the
person went to the hospital. At least, that is the
"non-alternative facts" Version, backed up by security tapes.
I just watched the full "press conference" so I could witness it in its
unedited version without any interpretation or opinions of others.What I saw was one of the most frightening displays I've ever seen.I saw a pathological egotist acting out his fantasies of being the most
powerful man in the world.That is incredibly dangerous.Whether or not the Utah GOP is willing to listen to us or not, we must not
stop resisting and protesting for even a moment. This man may dream that his is
the most powerful person on earth, but his complete detachment from reality may
very well end up with mushroom clouds.Let's pray that our
Founders really knew what they were doing when they tried to establish a
government with checks and balances.Let's also pray that our
Congressional representatives on all sides wake up and stand ready with courage
to protect from his lack of any form of good sense and adult behavior.
@Ute Fan "...violence..."@Vanceone: "...violence..."Utah GOP Chair: "...violence..."Yeah, about that.Remember the fears that Trump's falsehoods would become
'normalized'? That Americans would passively acquiescence to the
"alternative facts" that Trump believes are real and he demands be
treated as such?Americans have not normalized such aberrant
behavior.Repetition of obvious falsehoods --such the fictional
Bowling Green Massacre -- has not succeeded in establishing widespread belief of
its truth. Instead, Trump has bent the norms so far past the breaking point
that what was once tolerated as aggressive spin is now regarded as purposeful
lies.Even at Trump's erratic press conference, held to let him
vent about a 'dishonest' media, Trump could not help but inflate his
electoral college margin.A reporter fact-checked the President.In real time.To his face.In front of a national
audience. Trump's response? Mealy-mouth blaming someone else
for the falsehood he just uttered. America recently sent Trump a
memo:SUBJ: Honesty is Best PolicyRead it.
@vancone "Some posters in this thread have already threatened
violence."Really? please do quote for us the person that
"threatened violance" your faux news stations maybe telling you that
liberals are turning violent but you may want to remember we can all see exactly
what has and has not been said on these threads.
The head of the Utah state GOP telling his minions not to face their
constituents is not exactly a Profile in Courage.
@Prometheus Platypus - Orem, UT"Where were you then, and now, as
your dear leader continues the disrespect of, well every one who isn't
kissing his ring."---------Sorry to disappoint you, but I
don't like Trump. I didn't vote for him, (I did NOT vote for Clinton
either). I am all for investigating Trump, and calling his garbage out also. I
just believe in doing it in a civil fashion, something so many people seem to be
incapable of doing. I don't agree with violence against people who voted
for Trump, and I don't agree with much of the immoral, nasty comments from
Trump neither. But let's don't shut down someone
else's right to speak.
Jason Chaffetz is a political opportunist who's done little or nothing to
improve the quality of life for his constituents in Utah's Third
Congressional District. What Chaffetz has done is flip-flop on his support
for Donald Trump and he's used his position as Chair of the Congressional
Oversight Committee to waste millions of taxpayer dollars on investigations that
led nowhere. Why wouldn't thinking Utahans protest the actions of a
man like Chaffetz?If I'm wrong, put your political rhetoric aside and
correct me with objective facts.I look forward to hearing from you.
Utes Fan - said in ignorance of why people are upset that: "Until the
children on the Left can grow up and act like civil adults, we all need to take
precautionary measures until civility returns."Trump told his
supporters to “knock the crap out of them
I promise you, I will pay
for the legal fees.” The crowd vociferously cheered him on.Where were you then, and now, as your dear leader continues the disrespect of,
well every one who isn't kissing his ring.Chaffetz still
didn't get the message as he wants to continue to investigate Hillary even
as more evidence mounts against Trump and his lies.
I agree with shutting down town hall meetings for now. Given the hate and
violence by Leftists recently, there is no reason to risk violence and
injury.Until the children on the Left can grow up and act like civil
adults, we all need to take precautionary measures until civility returns. You Leftists have accomplished what you have designed to do - you are
shutting down freedom of speech of anybody who disagrees with you.We
all knew this would happen. Told you so.
Some posters in this thread have already threatened violence.Just
this week leftist "Protestors" and "Constituents" sent a
Republican staffer to the hospital through violent acts, at the office of the
Congressperson. Some here are threatening the same.Look at what
happened at Berkeley. Violent beatings, live on camera, of Republicans by people
screaming "Love Trumps Hate!" Except, apparently, running up and
beating women talking to a reporter because they have a hat on.That
crowd assaulting Chaffetz very easily could have turned violent. And not a single one of you leftists have offered up anything other than kill
Trump and put America into a leftist fascist dictatorship.By the
way: I hope the DNews has sent Hutterite's info to the police for
threatening violence against an elected official.
There is no need for town hall meetings when the congresscritters are
representing out-of-area corporate interests instead of their local
oh noes! the Republican snowflakes are afraid of conversation with anybody who
doesn't agree 100% with them.Oh, the violent talking. The
violence! Heavens! think of the children!
Did the thin-skinned Republicons get their little feelings hurt? I thought
Republicons were supposed to be tough and self reliant. If the Republicons
can't stand the heat - maybe they should get out of the kitchen.God bless our country and give us a new President!
Consider this: If the GOP Congressional members actually held townhall meetings
that are truly open to their constituents, protests wouldn't be as
necessary. If those who feel they must protest were allowed to
express their opinions, there wouldn't be the need for anger.It's simple common sense and good human relations.
@Daedalus, StephenIt was very humerious to eveyone else in the room
but Mr. Evans who was very serious and truely thought it was a reasonable
Heck yes, the Congressional delegation doesn't represent the people, no
more than the Republican Party does.
Oh, if liberals could only be polite, maybe honest to goodness debates could
take place. I watched a video of Chaffetz town hall. Nothing was accomplished
because selfish people needed to shout out - like children who haven't yet
learned any self control. It was just mayhem and chaos. What good is a town hall
if nothing is accomplished, no one is heard, and no discussion is possible?
Utah Republican mindsetOnly Republicans can voteOnly
Republicans can run for officeOnly Republicans can GovernOnly
Republicans can attend town hall meetingsOnly Republicans can be Mormons
"Duck and Cover"
Evans is absolutely correct in canceling town halls. When the Chaffetz Town
Hall turns into a planned protest, and some of the attendees talk about rushing
the police, this is a no-brainer. Responsible liberals and Chaffetz
opponents should be condemning what happened to Chaffetz. Peter Coroon's
comments though disappointing, signal what the Democratic Party has become.This was a textbook example of uncivil behavior. I'm all for
tolerance of differing views when there is civil discourse. But, uncivility,
and protest that teeters on the edge of a riot should not be tolerated as long
as normal democratic processes are available.
Matheson didn't have public townhall meetings, unless it was a private
small group. I went to one for architects. Chaffetz always has. I
have seen entire schools filled and he did fine. This one was different, because
of the tone used to get people there. I went to town hall meetings
Sen. Bennett had in 2009 and 2010. No one was worried about how he was treated,
as no one was planning on disrupting the meetings. Lots of people
were pretty upset at the Move the prison meetings and there were posters etc
that were not very nice, but again, they were not there to disrupt the meeting.
So much for the GOP supporting dissent in our democracy. No hearings into what
is obvious criminal activity by Chairman Chaffetz, no input from the outdoor
community prior to passing silly proclamations and now no public meetings. One
criticism of the GOP is they never had the ability to lead when they had power
and here is another example.
@Tolstoy: "It's not circular reasoning because it's not circular
reasoning." This is excellent Yogi Berra-level humor. I am impressed and grateful if your anecdote was offered as a bit of dry humor
to start our mornings. But if Evans really said this, I feel
somewhat sad. Sad for the people of Utah, for the obvious reason. But sad to
see such comic genius wasted...although I suppose in this new era of Trump and
GOP farce, Evans is right where he should be.
Utah GOP Chairman James Evans:"I've asked them to delay
town hall meetings because of the recent acts of violence...."The Bowling Green Massacre is still fresh on Evans's mind, clearly.Or is he concerned about the chupacabra? The yeti?
@ Utah Girl, You nailed it! The Utah GOP is being guided by paranoia, Blame the
media, outsiders, democrats eat. Just don't look in the mirror.
I agree. The tele-conferencing is the way to go in the future. In light of the
prior administration setting up shop 2 miles from the WH with its community
organizer's shadow government, this will stop the paid protesters from
disrupting future town hall meetings. Sen. Mike Lee uses these calls. Last week
he had 10,000 participants on such a call.God bless our country and
our new President!
"Paid agitators"? Let's look at this rationally, shall we? Just
where exactly do you think the Democratic Party is (1) finding people to bus in,
and (2) finding the cash to pay them? Is there a hidden liberal enclave nearby
that I'm unaware of? Boulder, CO, is about eight hours away, and
that's about the closest I could think of. No, what's happening
is what the Publicans don't want to think about: Actual constituents are
actually upset with their representation and want to talk about it. And they
don't want to have town halls like Chaffetz's the other night, where
(by design), there weren't microphones for questions and those wanting to
ask had to yell to be heard. The Publicans in Utah are about to learn a
hard truth: In a representative government, when you assume your support is
rock-solid and then act against your supporters' best interests,
you're not going to be in office much longer.
Evans and the GOP are cowards and they are being called out for it. What is
going on with the Trump led GOP? Honesty is not a value of the GOP. Lying and
calling everyone who disagrees with them "paid agitators". This is
cowardice at it finest. The honest and educated citizens of this
state are not going to continue to fall for the crazy behavior of the GOP.
Chaffetz deserved exactly what his constituents fed him. That was a true form
of Democracy and it is exactly what the GOP will continue to hear. We are seeing such fraud and dishonesty and the GOP must be suffering
cognitive dissonance in trying to spin the "alternative facts" that
they must do to support their radical and oft times dishonest policies. Chaffetz
didn't like the town hall. Yeah we get that, but to falsify facts to
support his dislike that they were all radicals and paid agitators is just
dishonest. Maybe Evans can push Chaffetz to investigate Hillary even
more? That was a complete fraud. But let the GOP go silent about Russia.
Evans, that is treason.
".......But wait there is more."We don't need "Town
Hall Style Meetings" here in Utah!By changing the audio on late
night TV infomercials we can fake Town Hall style meetings.The
voters will not notice the difference.All we need to do is insert a
few comments on "Benghazi" or "Hillary's e mails" or
"Bussed in paid out of town protestors" and every one will be happy with
the exception of those few professional protestors!Your welcome.
Who do I send the invoice to?
Lobbyists and corporations may have put them in office but the constituents pay
their paychecks and benefits. So, it isn't ok to ignore them and refuse to
hear their concerns. They should continue to hold them. All of them and just
have some basic ground rules. If people refuse to follow them so there can be a
meaningful meeting than discontinue the meeting.
Many are troubled that these agitators are being paid to disrupt traffic, campus
talks, airports and public meetings. But there is a silver lining to every dark
cloud. At least they are gainfully employed now.
Utah GOP Chairman James Evans "delay town hall meetings because of the
recent acts of violence and intimidation by several left-wing groups"No. These are Romney Republicans who see an opportunity for the
Republican Party to accomplish something and not just bow to the whims of Donald
If they keep it up, the town hall is going to come to them. Trump may be their
ticket to push their agenda, but we're not going to tolerate what happened
today for very long. The ticket, and the agenda, may be revoked pretty soon.
Evans wants meetings curtailed lest they show just how unpopular Republicans are
Wow. Republican politicians, in the reddest of the red states, are afraid to
face their constituents? Unbelievable!
Evans has an understandable aversion to town hall meetings at one such meeting
Mr. Evans defended his circular reasoning by telling my wife "it's not
circular reasoning because it's not circular reasoning."
Certainly one option is for town halls to be discontinued. Another would be for
the majority party to hold themselves accountable, or, as someone once said,
"Do your job".
The violent behavior Evans cites must also fall in the "court of public
opinion." Republican leadership in utah are already so opaque in their
affairs, for them to discourage town halls is not a surprise unfortunately. Of
course, any who disagree with their policies and governance style are
conveniently dismissed as paid or from out of state. To their
surprise, there are many independents and conservatives who are fed up with the
hypocrisy (investigate Hillary and not Trump), corruption (Swallow/Shurtleff,
UTA, prison move), and obstructionism (no working with the other side on issues
such as healthcare).
Cowardice is running amuck in GOP circles. Blame the media. Blame the
constituents. "We won!" Leadership involves much more than
acquiring power and then sitting on it. It's exactly this type
of "we don't have to listen to you" ego-bloated thinking that
voters aren't going to forget. Trump is doing tremendous damage to the GOP
and they seem to be in a suicide pact with him.