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Utah GOP chairman advises congressional delegation avoid holding town halls

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  • UtahTroutStalker Draper, UT
    Feb. 18, 2017 11:52 a.m.

    I am a Chaffetz constituent. I can tell you from the many conversations I have had with my conservative Mormon neighbors that they would like to see him investigate Trump's Russia connection. They dismissed it all of it until last week. The tide is turning Mr. Chaffetz, you better get on the boat now.

  • TAS Tehachapi, CA
    Feb. 17, 2017 7:55 p.m.

    Don't like Chaffetz? Vote him out. There is already someone who is running against him.

  • Fullypresent Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 6:03 p.m.

    No town hall meetings and Trump saying the media is the enemy of the people. Sounding more like Nazi Germany every day rather than the United States of America.

  • Doug10 Roosevelt, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 12:48 p.m.

    What was Jason expecting to happen at that meeting. He wasn't going to hear job well done once he gets on the jet to fly back to Utah.

    I really thought he would make a difference for Utah and was happy when he got in. Sadly it is now apparent he listens to his largest donators who are not from Utah and the rest of us suffer.

    Jason, here is a wake up call, you represent all of us, not just your friends. You want to cancel town hall meetings, yet your office won't answer the phone, and your voice mail remains full, avoiding Comments you choose not to hear.

    Just what has changed since WE elected you?

  • GingerMarshall Brooklyn, OH
    Feb. 17, 2017 12:33 p.m.

    @Vanceone: "Just this week leftist "Protestors" and "Constituents" sent a Republican staffer to the hospital through violent acts..."

    Rep. Dana Rohrabacher's Huntington Beach office. A group of constituents who are mostly retirees have been visiting Rohrabacher's office every week, on Thursday afternoon, to deliver a request that he hold a Townhall.

    His staff locks the constituents out and refuse to talk with them.

    The constituents – a group of retirees – have their request printed and signed and slide it under the door.

    On Thursday one of Rohrabacher's staffers opened the door, accidentally hitting 2 year old the granddaughter of a "protester" in the head.

    One of the "protesters" grabbed the door to protect the child and it caused the staffer to lose her balance and fall.

    The "protesters" helped her up, apologies all around, later the person went to the hospital.

    At least, that is the "non-alternative facts" Version, backed up by security tapes.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 12:28 p.m.

    I just watched the full "press conference" so I could witness it in its unedited version without any interpretation or opinions of others.

    What I saw was one of the most frightening displays I've ever seen.

    I saw a pathological egotist acting out his fantasies of being the most powerful man in the world.

    That is incredibly dangerous.

    Whether or not the Utah GOP is willing to listen to us or not, we must not stop resisting and protesting for even a moment. This man may dream that his is the most powerful person on earth, but his complete detachment from reality may very well end up with mushroom clouds.

    Let's pray that our Founders really knew what they were doing when they tried to establish a government with checks and balances.

    Let's also pray that our Congressional representatives on all sides wake up and stand ready with courage to protect from his lack of any form of good sense and adult behavior.

  • Daedalus, Stephen ARVADA, CO
    Feb. 17, 2017 11:50 a.m.

    @Ute Fan "...violence..."
    @Vanceone: "...violence..."
    Utah GOP Chair: "...violence..."

    Yeah, about that.

    Remember the fears that Trump's falsehoods would become 'normalized'? That Americans would passively acquiescence to the "alternative facts" that Trump believes are real and he demands be treated as such?

    Americans have not normalized such aberrant behavior.

    Repetition of obvious falsehoods --such the fictional Bowling Green Massacre -- has not succeeded in establishing widespread belief of its truth. Instead, Trump has bent the norms so far past the breaking point that what was once tolerated as aggressive spin is now regarded as purposeful lies.

    Even at Trump's erratic press conference, held to let him vent about a 'dishonest' media, Trump could not help but inflate his electoral college margin.

    A reporter fact-checked the President.

    In real time.

    To his face.

    In front of a national audience.

    Trump's response? Mealy-mouth blaming someone else for the falsehood he just uttered.

    America recently sent Trump a memo:

    SUBJ: Honesty is Best Policy

    Read it.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 11:33 a.m.

    @vancone

    "Some posters in this thread have already threatened violence."

    Really? please do quote for us the person that "threatened violance" your faux news stations maybe telling you that liberals are turning violent but you may want to remember we can all see exactly what has and has not been said on these threads.

  • unrepentant progressive Bozeman, MT
    Feb. 17, 2017 11:07 a.m.

    The head of the Utah state GOP telling his minions not to face their constituents is not exactly a Profile in Courage.

  • Utes Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 10:55 a.m.

    @Prometheus Platypus - Orem, UT

    "Where were you then, and now, as your dear leader continues the disrespect of, well every one who isn't kissing his ring."
    ---------

    Sorry to disappoint you, but I don't like Trump. I didn't vote for him, (I did NOT vote for Clinton either). I am all for investigating Trump, and calling his garbage out also. I just believe in doing it in a civil fashion, something so many people seem to be incapable of doing. I don't agree with violence against people who voted for Trump, and I don't agree with much of the immoral, nasty comments from Trump neither.

    But let's don't shut down someone else's right to speak.

  • DavyZJones Springville, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 10:45 a.m.

    Jason Chaffetz is a political opportunist who's done little or nothing to improve the quality of life for his constituents in Utah's Third Congressional District.
    What Chaffetz has done is flip-flop on his support for Donald Trump and he's used his position as Chair of the Congressional Oversight Committee to waste millions of taxpayer dollars on investigations that led nowhere.
    Why wouldn't thinking Utahans protest the actions of a man like Chaffetz?
    If I'm wrong, put your political rhetoric aside and correct me with objective facts.
    I look forward to hearing from you.

  • Prometheus Platypus Orem, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 10:44 a.m.

    Utes Fan - said in ignorance of why people are upset that: "Until the children on the Left can grow up and act like civil adults, we all need to take precautionary measures until civility returns."

    Trump told his supporters to “knock the crap out of them … I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees.” The crowd vociferously cheered him on.

    Where were you then, and now, as your dear leader continues the disrespect of, well every one who isn't kissing his ring.

    Chaffetz still didn't get the message as he wants to continue to investigate Hillary even as more evidence mounts against Trump and his lies.

  • Utes Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 10:14 a.m.

    I agree with shutting down town hall meetings for now. Given the hate and violence by Leftists recently, there is no reason to risk violence and injury.

    Until the children on the Left can grow up and act like civil adults, we all need to take precautionary measures until civility returns.

    You Leftists have accomplished what you have designed to do - you are shutting down freedom of speech of anybody who disagrees with you.

    We all knew this would happen.

    Told you so.

  • Vanceone Provo, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 10:01 a.m.

    Some posters in this thread have already threatened violence.

    Just this week leftist "Protestors" and "Constituents" sent a Republican staffer to the hospital through violent acts, at the office of the Congressperson. Some here are threatening the same.

    Look at what happened at Berkeley. Violent beatings, live on camera, of Republicans by people screaming "Love Trumps Hate!" Except, apparently, running up and beating women talking to a reporter because they have a hat on.

    That crowd assaulting Chaffetz very easily could have turned violent.

    And not a single one of you leftists have offered up anything other than kill Trump and put America into a leftist fascist dictatorship.

    By the way: I hope the DNews has sent Hutterite's info to the police for threatening violence against an elected official.

  • Bob3 Sacramento, CA
    Feb. 17, 2017 9:40 a.m.

    There is no need for town hall meetings when the congresscritters are representing out-of-area corporate interests instead of their local constituents.

  • Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 9:26 a.m.

    oh noes! the Republican snowflakes are afraid of conversation with anybody who doesn't agree 100% with them.

    Oh, the violent talking. The violence! Heavens! think of the children!

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    Feb. 17, 2017 9:19 a.m.

    Did the thin-skinned Republicons get their little feelings hurt? I thought Republicons were supposed to be tough and self reliant. If the Republicons can't stand the heat - maybe they should get out of the kitchen.

    God bless our country and give us a new President!

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 8:46 a.m.

    Consider this: If the GOP Congressional members actually held townhall meetings that are truly open to their constituents, protests wouldn't be as necessary.

    If those who feel they must protest were allowed to express their opinions, there wouldn't be the need for anger.

    It's simple common sense and good human relations.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 8:38 a.m.

    @Daedalus, Stephen

    It was very humerious to eveyone else in the room but Mr. Evans who was very serious and truely thought it was a reasonable argument.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 8:37 a.m.

    Heck yes, the Congressional delegation doesn't represent the people, no more than the Republican Party does.

  • All American Herriman, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 8:34 a.m.

    Oh, if liberals could only be polite, maybe honest to goodness debates could take place. I watched a video of Chaffetz town hall. Nothing was accomplished because selfish people needed to shout out - like children who haven't yet learned any self control. It was just mayhem and chaos. What good is a town hall if nothing is accomplished, no one is heard, and no discussion is possible?

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    Feb. 17, 2017 8:16 a.m.

    Utah Republican mindset

    Only Republicans can vote
    Only Republicans can run for office
    Only Republicans can Govern
    Only Republicans can attend town hall meetings
    Only Republicans can be Mormons

  • Something to think about Ogden, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 8:13 a.m.

    "Duck and Cover"

  • Vermonter Plymouth, MI
    Feb. 17, 2017 7:59 a.m.

    Evans is absolutely correct in canceling town halls. When the Chaffetz Town Hall turns into a planned protest, and some of the attendees talk about rushing the police, this is a no-brainer.

    Responsible liberals and Chaffetz opponents should be condemning what happened to Chaffetz. Peter Coroon's comments though disappointing, signal what the Democratic Party has become.

    This was a textbook example of uncivil behavior. I'm all for tolerance of differing views when there is civil discourse. But, uncivility, and protest that teeters on the edge of a riot should not be tolerated as long as normal democratic processes are available.

  • Utah_1 Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 7:41 a.m.

    Matheson didn't have public townhall meetings, unless it was a private small group. I went to one for architects.

    Chaffetz always has. I have seen entire schools filled and he did fine. This one was different, because of the tone used to get people there.

    I went to town hall meetings Sen. Bennett had in 2009 and 2010. No one was worried about how he was treated, as no one was planning on disrupting the meetings.

    Lots of people were pretty upset at the Move the prison meetings and there were posters etc that were not very nice, but again, they were not there to disrupt the meeting.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 7:30 a.m.

    So much for the GOP supporting dissent in our democracy. No hearings into what is obvious criminal activity by Chairman Chaffetz, no input from the outdoor community prior to passing silly proclamations and now no public meetings. One criticism of the GOP is they never had the ability to lead when they had power and here is another example.

  • Daedalus, Stephen ARVADA, CO
    Feb. 17, 2017 7:24 a.m.

    @Tolstoy: "It's not circular reasoning because it's not circular reasoning."

    This is excellent Yogi Berra-level humor.

    I am impressed and grateful if your anecdote was offered as a bit of dry humor to start our mornings.

    But if Evans really said this, I feel somewhat sad. Sad for the people of Utah, for the obvious reason. But sad to see such comic genius wasted...although I suppose in this new era of Trump and GOP farce, Evans is right where he should be.

  • Daedalus, Stephen ARVADA, CO
    Feb. 17, 2017 7:02 a.m.

    Utah GOP Chairman James Evans:

    "I've asked them to delay town hall meetings because of the recent acts of violence...."

    The Bowling Green Massacre is still fresh on Evans's mind, clearly.

    Or is he concerned about the chupacabra? The yeti?

  • stevo123 slc, ut
    Feb. 17, 2017 6:56 a.m.

    @ Utah Girl, You nailed it! The Utah GOP is being guided by paranoia, Blame the media, outsiders, democrats eat. Just don't look in the mirror.

  • BYUalum South Jordan, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 6:36 a.m.

    I agree. The tele-conferencing is the way to go in the future. In light of the prior administration setting up shop 2 miles from the WH with its community organizer's shadow government, this will stop the paid protesters from disrupting future town hall meetings. Sen. Mike Lee uses these calls. Last week he had 10,000 participants on such a call.

    God bless our country and our new President!

  • H. Bob Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 6:26 a.m.

    "Paid agitators"? Let's look at this rationally, shall we? Just where exactly do you think the Democratic Party is (1) finding people to bus in, and (2) finding the cash to pay them? Is there a hidden liberal enclave nearby that I'm unaware of? Boulder, CO, is about eight hours away, and that's about the closest I could think of.
    No, what's happening is what the Publicans don't want to think about: Actual constituents are actually upset with their representation and want to talk about it. And they don't want to have town halls like Chaffetz's the other night, where (by design), there weren't microphones for questions and those wanting to ask had to yell to be heard.
    The Publicans in Utah are about to learn a hard truth: In a representative government, when you assume your support is rock-solid and then act against your supporters' best interests, you're not going to be in office much longer.

  • Utefan60 Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 5:37 a.m.

    Evans and the GOP are cowards and they are being called out for it. What is going on with the Trump led GOP? Honesty is not a value of the GOP. Lying and calling everyone who disagrees with them "paid agitators". This is cowardice at it finest.

    The honest and educated citizens of this state are not going to continue to fall for the crazy behavior of the GOP. Chaffetz deserved exactly what his constituents fed him. That was a true form of Democracy and it is exactly what the GOP will continue to hear.

    We are seeing such fraud and dishonesty and the GOP must be suffering cognitive dissonance in trying to spin the "alternative facts" that they must do to support their radical and oft times dishonest policies. Chaffetz didn't like the town hall. Yeah we get that, but to falsify facts to support his dislike that they were all radicals and paid agitators is just dishonest.

    Maybe Evans can push Chaffetz to investigate Hillary even more? That was a complete fraud. But let the GOP go silent about Russia. Evans, that is treason.

  • Iron Rod Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 12:45 a.m.

    ".......But wait there is more."

    We don't need "Town Hall Style Meetings" here in Utah!

    By changing the audio on late night TV infomercials we can fake Town Hall style meetings.

    The voters will not notice the difference.

    All we need to do is insert a few comments on "Benghazi" or "Hillary's e mails" or "Bussed in paid out of town protestors" and every one will be happy with the exception of those few professional protestors!

    Your welcome. Who do I send the invoice to?

  • Fullypresent Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 12:25 a.m.

    Lobbyists and corporations may have put them in office but the constituents pay their paychecks and benefits. So, it isn't ok to ignore them and refuse to hear their concerns. They should continue to hold them. All of them and just have some basic ground rules. If people refuse to follow them so there can be a meaningful meeting than discontinue the meeting.

  • Harrison Bergeron Holladay , UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 10:51 p.m.

    Many are troubled that these agitators are being paid to disrupt traffic, campus talks, airports and public meetings. But there is a silver lining to every dark cloud.

    At least they are gainfully employed now.

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 10:29 p.m.

    Utah GOP Chairman James Evans "delay town hall meetings because of the recent acts of violence and intimidation by several left-wing groups"

    No. These are Romney Republicans who see an opportunity for the Republican Party to accomplish something and not just bow to the whims of Donald Trump.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 9:47 p.m.

    If they keep it up, the town hall is going to come to them. Trump may be their ticket to push their agenda, but we're not going to tolerate what happened today for very long. The ticket, and the agenda, may be revoked pretty soon.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 9:18 p.m.

    Evans wants meetings curtailed lest they show just how unpopular Republicans are becoming.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 9:13 p.m.

    Wow. Republican politicians, in the reddest of the red states, are afraid to face their constituents? Unbelievable!

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 9:08 p.m.

    Evans has an understandable aversion to town hall meetings at one such meeting Mr. Evans defended his circular reasoning by telling my wife "it's not circular reasoning because it's not circular reasoning."

  • Thimk Preston, ID
    Feb. 16, 2017 9:01 p.m.

    Certainly one option is for town halls to be discontinued. Another would be for the majority party to hold themselves accountable, or, as someone once said, "Do your job".

  • blackattack Orem, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 8:06 p.m.

    The violent behavior Evans cites must also fall in the "court of public opinion." Republican leadership in utah are already so opaque in their affairs, for them to discourage town halls is not a surprise unfortunately. Of course, any who disagree with their policies and governance style are conveniently dismissed as paid or from out of state.

    To their surprise, there are many independents and conservatives who are fed up with the hypocrisy (investigate Hillary and not Trump), corruption (Swallow/Shurtleff, UTA, prison move), and obstructionism (no working with the other side on issues such as healthcare).

  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 7:55 p.m.

    Cowardice is running amuck in GOP circles. Blame the media. Blame the constituents. "We won!"

    Leadership involves much more than acquiring power and then sitting on it.

    It's exactly this type of "we don't have to listen to you" ego-bloated thinking that voters aren't going to forget. Trump is doing tremendous damage to the GOP and they seem to be in a suicide pact with him.