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  • Janet Ontario, OR
    Feb. 18, 2017 4:20 a.m.

    There is a difference between political objectives and unethical (illegal?) behaviors. I want comprehensive immigration reform that favors Dreamers; someone else wants mass deportation. I want community policing; another person wants to crack down on protestors (not rioters); I want social safety nets, including medical care and Social Security; others have more of an Ayn Rand approach. And so it goes. "Good" work or "bad" work is subjective, depending on whether politicians are checking our particular boxes. Choices for cabinet and White House posts, and indeed for elected office, are either great or terrible, depending on whether we believe a given individual will mirror our concerns. All of that is politics as usual. However, today we have unprecedented efforts to sway the public mind through lies, innuendo, manipulation, and spin-doctoring. CNN, for example, plays whole speeches and selected statements by Trump. Commenters talk all day and night about what he means and why he should be supported, educated, or dumped. Over at Fox, it's the same game, different players. We need to get the facts from a variety of sources and sort them out intelligently!

  • John Jackson Sandy, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 11:01 p.m.

    Many assume that the wiretapping was illegal. Perhaps they know the law and know what happened and they are right, but I seriously doubt it. What if the wiretapping was done in Russia, not on U.S. soil, is it still illegal? And, is it possible the Intel Community received court orders for the wiretaps? I read how the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act allows the agency to get obtain court orders from the United States Foreign Surveillance Court. Remember how Eric Snowden revealed that the NSA was pulling Verizon calls? The received their warrant from the Foreign Surveillance Court. If that was legal, surely a court warrant on Michael Flynn could be legal.

  • Karen R. Houston, TX
    Feb. 17, 2017 6:27 a.m.

    @ illuminated

    Flynn didn't lose his job over the content of his phone calls. He lost his job because he lied.

    But it does seem a double-standard, doesn't it? If I'm him, I point to my boss and say, "What about him?!"

    @ SG in SLC

    "I was looking for some sort of real-world example..."

    I thought this is what you were attempting to do. I'm glad you said something because I got the impression that a lot of people misunderstood.

    Like others here, I think Chaffetz just needs to replace "Trump" with "Clinton" and then decide what's appropriate, consistent, non-partisan, fair, etc.

  • Gus Talwynd Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 6:18 p.m.

    SG in SLC - Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 4:21 p.m.

    Too often partisan comparisons break down because there is not a thorough understanding of the illogic in the model. People are more interested in scoring points rather than trying to prove the position with a reasoned, rational argument.

    The current situation is difficult to find an analogy because you have to have almost identical situations. That means that all of the factors are present. This is difficult since there are always missing pieces for complete comparison.

    Now, of course, there is often conjecture (in the Bill Clinton/Loretta Lynch scenario) where nothing is known regarding their conversation. For all we know, they talked about Clinton's grandchildren and the cost of light bulbs. Too many draw conclusion that have no basis. Being angry with the Clinton's is not enough.

    We understand nothing about the Clinton/Lynch meeting except that it happened. In the Michael Flynn case, we know what was discussed because their is a transcript. Also, there is no evidence that Hillary sent Bill to meet with Lynch. However, there is a greater possibility that Donald Trump sent Flynn.

  • SG in SLC Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 4:21 p.m.

    @Gus Talwynd

    You make a good point, and I agree with the differences in the scenarios that you have pointed out. It was an imperfect analogy, and was admittedly not equivalent in terms of scope or implications. I was looking for some sort of real-world example (imperfect though it may be) that our friends on the other side of the aisle could relate to, from their perspective. I think there are some similarities at the broadest level; but in a more detailed analysis, the comparison breaks down. Hopefully, you and others can see where I was intending to go with my comparison.

  • Queen of Hearts Phoenix, AZ
    Feb. 16, 2017 2:44 p.m.

    illuminated - Kansas City, MO
    Feb. 16, 2017 11:11 a.m.

    " . . . Trump's approval jumps to 55%. This laughable witch hunt isn't working.

    As I said in my previous post, we the people know this is fake news."

    Spoken like a true Donald Trump devotee. Except the approval rating is far above anything outside the 45% who voted for him. Where did you get your poll number? People are aware that anything that is critical of Trump is called " fake news" whether it is true or not. It is now known as "negative news" as opposed to "real news" which favors Trump.

    Also, be very careful about using the term "we the people" since loyal, dedicated Trump supporters are not in the majority, but rather account for only about 35%. We don't live under an apartheid regime where a small minority controls the majority.

    By the way, where do you get your news if not from the major news organizations? It's important to know where people get their information unless they just make it up. The old adage applies: if you get 10 different people in a room and ask their opinion on something, you get eleven different answers.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 2:39 p.m.

    Are those who leaked Traitors or are they Patriots who are trying to prevent damage to our country?

    Are there also Patriots and Traitors in Congress?

  • Laura Bilington Maple Valley, WA
    Feb. 16, 2017 1:54 p.m.

    @Hutterite -wrote, "Wow. We need someone to investigate Chaffetz. This is dereliction of duty on his part."

    Exactly what I was thinking. Maybe it's time to look a little more closely into just who his donors are. We know about the extraction industry ones...perhaps there might be some with connections to Trump--or to Russia.

  • Jim Chee Ka'anapali, HI
    Feb. 16, 2017 1:29 p.m.

    Information cannot penetrate Donald Trump. He has this defensive shield that anything critical is automatically dismissed as "fake news" regardless of the accuracy and source. This is why he is so hostile to news organizations like the New York Times, Washington Post, Los Angeles Times, Wall Street Journal, CNN and MSNBC.

    However, he loves Fox News, Breibart News, InfoWars and the National Enquirer. They only tell him what he want to hear and that's very important in creating Trump World.

    This is why he is so adamant about going after the so-called "illegal leakers" and asking Jason Chaffetz to help him identify those who are criticizing his performance. It is also significant that Trump still continues to believe that Michael Flynn didn't do anything wrong, that he was doing what he (Trump) requested. And since Trump is above the law, anything he has an aide do on his behalf is also above the law.

    Remember, Trump could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and he would lose any votes. Also, he wouldn't be arrested and go to jail because he is "Trump". Rules and laws shouldn't apply. Russia? "Trust me", says the Dear Leader.

  • OneWifeOnly San Diego, CA
    Feb. 16, 2017 1:23 p.m.

    Partisan politics. Do your job. Call for a probe on the information. Leaks would stop if only congress would do their job. As long as they wont, some people will continue to put country over party.

  • Mad Hatter Provo, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 1:06 p.m.

    illuminated - Kansas City, MO
    Feb. 16, 2017 9:12 a.m.

    "More fake news. Nobody has any evidence Flynn did anything wrong. Hilarious that they still think the people believe anything they say."

    Wouldn't it be great if the national media just stopped reporting on Donald Trump and his administration? Just think. No more "fake news". No more news stories about Trump's actions, conflicts-of-interest, self-serving activities, and Russian connection. Perhaps Trump could deal only with the conservative media and Alt-Right "news groups". Then the bubble would be completely surrounding us.

    By the way, the intelligence services have transcripts of what went on during Flynn's conversation with the Russian ambassador. Do you think a private individual talking to an official of a hostile foreign state is necessarily innocent chatter? It's not Flynn who is the story, it's Trump. Apparently Trump has a long history of Russia connections documented in video, published news stories, and from intelligence intercepts.

    Maybe you prefer not to read the NY Times or Washington Post, but you might want to acquaint yourself with excellent journalism.

  • illuminated Kansas City, MO
    Feb. 16, 2017 12:54 p.m.

    "NPR’s Mary Louise Kelly reports that there is no evidence of criminal wrongdoing in the transcripts of former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn’s conversations with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak"

    And this is coming from NPR. This whole thing is fake news because Hillary lost the election and the left doesn't know how to deal with it.

    I'll be waiting for someone, anyone, here accusing Flynn if wrong doing to post the actual transcript to back up your claim. Tick tock..

  • Cheshire Cat Bronx, NY
    Feb. 16, 2017 12:49 p.m.

    illuminated - Kansas City, MO
    Feb. 16, 2017 9:12 a.m..

    "I'm glad Trump and Chaffetz will be investigating this illegal wiretapping.

    Interesting that you consider contact between an agent for a foreign power (Russia) and an American private citizen (Michael Flynn) is private, but if it involved a foreign terrorist organization and an American citizen you might be up in arms demanding why Homeland Security didn't tap their phone conversation.

    Is this only because it's Donald Trump and you are a loyal, dedicated Trump supporter? Do you consider it's part of our national security agencies job to monitor hostile forces (including Russia) talking with an American citizen just to make sure they're not doing anything improper?

    Wiretapping and intercepting private conversations is highly controversial. But where there is cause (i.e. contact with a hostile state or group) the law is quite clear. And Flynn probably knew that his conversation would be monitored and a transcript made and circulated in the intelligence community. He was doing it at the behest of Trump, so no need to worry. Being a public official make a big difference.

  • Yuge Opportunity Here Mapleton, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 12:43 p.m.

    This shows that the left and the media will go so far as to imperil our security if it means poking at Trump.

    Think about what had to happen for this info to leak.
    *Someone was listening in on phone traffic of the Russian ambassador.
    *Someone within our own intelligence agency told reporters.
    *Reporters published that information.

    Flynn is gone. What about the reporters and internal sources?

    What do we do if this same mechanism goes to work when the administration begins working on serious diplomatic matters?

  • Kouger Lehi, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 12:43 p.m.

    Chaffetz is "chaff" in Trump's wind and sniffles. Now we know what happened in that meeting a few weeks ago. Trump has put some kind of leash on him. Sad.

  • Gus Talwynd Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 12:37 p.m.

    SG in SLC - Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 8:54 a.m.

    You need to rethink your example.

    First, Loretta Lynch was not an agent of a foreign power hostile to the United States. Also, Hillary Clinton had not been elected president and was not in any position to grant favors to that foreign state. Yes, it was dumb (not illegal) for Bill Clinton to have a private meeting with Lynch and a transcript would have helped. But that is apples.

    Here is oranges.

    Donald Trump had been elected to be President of the United States. His representative, Michael Flynn, had contact with a foreign agent of a hostile nation and discussed the removal of sanctions imposed by the current President of the United States. This is a criminal offense. One might say "treasonous" but that is stretching it quite a bit.

    Now, why was Flynn talking to the Russians? We know that Hillary did not send Bill to talk with Lynch. She understood the optics of this was bad with regard to the FBI investigation into her misuse of an email server. But it is very probable that Flynn called the Russian ambassador at the suggestion/order of Trump. This makes it an even bigger problem.

  • Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 12:34 p.m.

    @illuminated: "More fake news. Nobody has any evidence Flynn did anything wrong. Hilarious that they still think the people believe anything they say."

    Hey, this is breaking news.
    Illuminated, you need to call the FBI and CIA quick! Tell them not to worry about anything, and quit pursuing any investigation.

    The FBI needs your information sources, too. They don't read brietbart, so you'll have to keep them informed.

  • Nichiro-san Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 12:20 p.m.

    DN Subscriber - Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 9:54 p.m.

    " . . . claims that the "Russians stole the election" are absurd, but voter fraud was very real, committed by Democrats."

    Stole? No. But adversely influenced? Yes. The leaks and drip, drip, drip of information taken from the DNC affected what people thought about Hillary. Remember, she was leading until the last month when people started making up their minds. Both the Russians and the FBI affected the election in a major way.

    So-called "voter fraud" has been shown to be insignificant to almost non-existent. Not absolute zero, there were cases of a wife voting for Donald Trump in place of her dead husband because "that's what he wanted". But it was only one vote, in this case, and had absolutely no affect on the election.

    There is no affect of these few cases on national elections, so when people say "voter fraud doesn't exits", it doesn't exist to any significant degree. However, voter fraud does exist on the local level because there are fewer voters and it is easier to affect the outcome. But Trump's claims of "massive" voter fraud are false.

  • GingerMarshall Brooklyn, OH
    Feb. 16, 2017 12:17 p.m.

    illuminated: "And in other news, Trump's approval jumps to 55%. This laughable witch hunt isn't working."

    Pew has him at 39%.

    Gallop rolling weekly is 40%.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Feb. 16, 2017 12:11 p.m.

    We've replaced Crooked Hillary with Treasonous Trump and now Chaffetz wants to go after whoever sprang the leak on his puppet master. This is full blown foreign involvement of Russia with the election AND our top NSA advisor and other senior Trump officials. Given that Trump himself has personally attacked the CIA and FBI for this matter, we need more answers, not to have the whistleblowers quashed.

    Anyone over 55 should remember how eventually Nixon brought the whole GOP down with him as people were fed up with the lemming-like loyalty of his party. We got Jimmy Carter as a result. Sad how history repeats itself, especially for the Republicans who don't seem to learn.

    So to my fellow Conservatives and GOP: support Trump at the peril of your country and party and you will rue the day.

  • Janet Pete Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 12:08 p.m.

    DN Subscriber - Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 9:54 p.m.

    "However, the same appointment of anyone to dig into charges against Trum should also appoint a special prosecutor to investigate "concerns over national security and classified information" connected to Hillary Clinton."

    This is hypocritical since both the committee chaired by Jason Chaffetz and the FBI have investigated Hillary Clinton for years, spending tens of millions of dollars of taxpayer money, and finding nothing. The issues with Hillary are over. Trump won the election. She has been investigated, criticized, and subjected to years of harassment and vindictive accusations, and still you want a special prosecutor appointed to investigate her further? And who's going to pay for this?

    Or is this just "Don't investigate Trump" talk so that he can continue working in secret and doing anything he wants regardless of what the American people think? Remember, he is a minority president having lost by close to 3 million votes. And he only has the support of 37-43% which is not a mandate to do whatever he wants. Do you prefer "minority government" if it's your minority?

  • wwookie Payson, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 12:02 p.m.

    Our country is in a bad direction thanks to Obama and Trump and every single person that has supported these overly divisive individuals.

    There is humor in this though. To see so many high level democrats hypocritically claim that "the leaks aren't the story, but rather what's in the leaks", just weeks after pushing so hard for all of us to "ignore the leaked emails because the real story is that Podesta's email was hacked".

    I'm still laughing at how silly and petty all of these supposed "leaders" are (talking about those in the two largest political cartels/parties in this country. The tragedy is the number of numb-minded individuals who follow them.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 12:00 p.m.

    illuminated -said: "And in other news, Trump's approval jumps to 55%. This laughable witch hunt isn't working."

    Yep backwards day...The latest Pew Research Center poll found just 39 percent approve of his job performance while 56 percent disapprove. Sixty-eight percent of those surveyed do not believe Trump is "even-tempered" while just 28 percent believe he is.

    Jason will Not do his job, he is simply another tool in the shed for Trump.

  • Cheshire Cat Bronx, NY
    Feb. 16, 2017 11:37 a.m.

    illuminated - Kansas City, MO
    Feb. 16, 2017 9:12 a.m.

    "More fake news. Nobody has any evidence Flynn did anything wrong.

    Yes, "fake news" in that it's critical of the Trump administration.

    As for evidence, there are transcripts of the telephone conversations. Our national security agencies listen in to the Russians. Unless you don't trust our national security people in the FBI and Homeland Security, then there's not much to say. Maybe you don't trust the military and would like to see a purge of all military and national security agencies and have only Trump loyalists in control, then I'll question your judgement.

    Going after the people who leaked the information is ironic since Donald Trump likes it when others (i.e. Hillary and the DNC) have their confidential information leaked, but calls it "illegal" when his secrets get out. Also, it does the American people and injustice when Trump is allowed to do whatever he wants and keep it secret until the time he decides to "reveal" his latest edict in the form of a executive order.

    You need to ask yourself, What did Donald Trump know and when did he know it?

  • Daedalus, Stephen ARVADA, CO
    Feb. 16, 2017 11:35 a.m.

    Rep. Chaffetz seems blissfully unaware that history has two sides, and he just secured himself a spot on the wrong one.

    Beyond his dubious judgment in investigating the source of the leaks rather than their substance, Chaffetz and the rest of the GOP seem to believe this situation can be contained by Congress.

    It can't.

    Even if the GOP magically shuts down all domestic leaks about Trump's ties to Russia, they have no control over the release of incriminating intercepts by foreign intelligence agencies that are allies of the United States, but do not trust Trump...or the GOP now. This intel is now emerging in the foreign press, and coming soon to a news source near you.

    The information will come out and depending upon the severity of the wrong-doing, the GOP brand and individuals such as Chaffetz will deserve all the political consequences of their abdication of their duties to the United States.

    The sooner this happens, the better.

  • James E Tooele, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 11:28 a.m.

    This is funny. Just months ago the media ignored a leak verifying criminality in the Dem Nat'l Committee to focus on the supposed source of the leak.

    Now, the media ignores the source of the leak, an illegal wiretap from the CIA, to focus on supposed criminality.

    If there was some consistency they would have more credibility. As it is, there is no evidence Flynn did anything illegal, but there is plenty of evidence the CIA did. But hey, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

  • illuminated Kansas City, MO
    Feb. 16, 2017 11:11 a.m.

    And in other news, Trump's approval jumps to 55%. This laughable witch hunt isn't working.

    As I said in my previous post, we the people know this is fake news. The Trump train to Make America Great Again rolls forward with or without your help!

    Hold on to your seatbelts, if his first few weeks are any indication, Trump may be the greatest President our nation has ever had!

    Go Trump!

  • JMHO Kanab, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 11:06 a.m.

    Interesting that you are not concerned with three clear violations of privacy: The phone call to Australia that was somehow tapped into, the phone call with Mexico that was somehow tapped into, and the phone call to Russia that was also tapped. Wire tapping is a crime, unless you have a warrant. If you have the warrant, then leaking what you found is a crime because of the sensitivity of the information.
    How would you feel if you found out your conversations were being tapped by someone. Remember, Mr. Flynn was an ordinary citizen like you and me on the date of this occurrence.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 11:06 a.m.

    Donald Trump's little attack dog. Are you ready to go down with the ship, Jason?

  • Dragline Orem, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 11:05 a.m.

    As stated throughout these comments, Chaffetz has a safe seat in his congressional district and will never be voted out. So true.

    But also true is the fact that he has killed all chances to be voted into a state-level position, including governor or senator. He has shown himself to be nothing more than the water boy for the extreme right. And although Utah is a red state, we also expect our governors to be moderate and independent, focused on the welfare of the state as a whole for all citizens.

    Enjoy your safe seat Mr. Chaffetz. It now comes with an unretractable seatbelt.

  • 1aggie SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 11:01 a.m.

    "Before my bum even hit the chair, the president said, 'No oversight. You can’t talk about anything that has to do with oversight,'"
    (Jason Chaffetz speaking to reporters about his meeting with Trump 2/7/17)

    It looks like Chaffetz is expanding and applying Trump's admonition to his job as Chairman of the House Oversight Committee.

    Jason. There are but only a handful of people in this entire country who have the power and responsibility equal to yours. No doubt it is not easy. But at the end of the day, will you be the one who forthrightly faced the challenge or the one who followed the lead of a very seriously troubled and inadequate leader?

    (last comment)

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 10:59 a.m.

    Trump in July about Clinton "Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,"

    Trump in January about Flynn "I think it's really a sad thing that he was treated so badly,"

    his words not the media

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 10:55 a.m.

    So Chaffetz doesn't want to do investigations without there being something there, and when something is there he wants to investigate how it became known instead?

  • GingerMarshall Brooklyn, OH
    Feb. 16, 2017 10:53 a.m.

    In Alternative Fact land the "crime" is telling the truth about the crimes committed by Trump&Co.

    Sort of like Bizarro in Superman comics, or backwards day in second grade.

  • JLindow St George, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 10:53 a.m.

    Chaffetz making a serious investigation into Trump's Russia ties is about as likely as Chaffetz washing his hair.

  • 1aggie SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 10:36 a.m.

    I think there are many Republicans who felt and hoped Pence's presence in the White House would have a moderating and stabilizing effect. However, this issue with Flynn reveals either that a) Pence lied or b) Trump and his aides (unknown to Pence) were willing to make Pence the "fall-guy" and let him be front and center of lying and covering up what they knew. So how much is Pence being included in decision making, crafting of or implementing policy.
    So far there is no evidence Trump is willing or capable of learning and changing his behavior.

    “Flynn’s resignation is a troubling indication of the dysfunction of the current national security apparatus.......

    “General Flynn’s resignation also raises further questions about the Trump administration’s intentions toward Vladimir Putin’s Russia, including statements by the President suggesting moral equivalence between the United States and Russia despite its invasion of Ukraine, annexation of Crimea, threats to our NATO allies, and attempted interference in American elections."
    (John McCain 2/14/17 Chairman Senate Armed Services Committee)

  • airnaut Everett, 00
    Feb. 16, 2017 10:26 a.m.

    No right
    No wrong
    No Country
    No Nation
    No Justice
    No Integrity
    No Patriotism

    Just do everything possible to protect Donald Trump.

    Sad.
    Pathetic.

  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 10:03 a.m.

    Let's hope the leakers continue to be steadfast and bold in their efforts to protect democracy before we slip into fascism.

    Chaffetz seems intent on protecting corruption.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 10:03 a.m.

    I don't trust Chaffetz one iota. He'll conduct an "investigation" and manipulate it to serve Trump and himself.

  • JRuss Western Springs, IL
    Feb. 16, 2017 9:54 a.m.

    Really? The enabler Chaffetz, he would investigate Hillary if her slip was showing.
    Now we have possible Republican administration treachery and nothing? Stop with
    the false equivalency head fake this isn't about leaked troop movements, it's about administration treachery. Example of the leaks or media deflection false importance. Emergency Room Doctor; Yes, Mrs. Trump your child was hit by a car and we'll start treatment as soon as we find out if it was a Chevy or a Ford.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 9:50 a.m.

    There's a skunk in the living room, Jason!
    Now is not the time to try to figure out who left the door open.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Feb. 16, 2017 9:46 a.m.

    Illuminated writes "Nobody has any evidence Flynn did anything wrong."

    Really? So you believe that Donald Trump fired Flynn for no reason?
    Did you mean to say that you think that he did nothing illegal?

    Spicer told reporters. “The President was very concerned that Gen. Flynn had misled the vice president and others.”

  • ray vaughn Ogden, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 9:37 a.m.

    Using the logic of Chaffetz the person reporting a bank robbery should be investigated while the person robbing the bank is ignored.

  • illuminated Kansas City, MO
    Feb. 16, 2017 9:12 a.m.

    More fake news. Nobody has any evidence Flynn did anything wrong. Hilarious that they still think the people believe anything they say.

    I'm glad Trump and Chaffetz will be investigating this illegal wiretapping. A lot of people on the left are going to jail. Scary times we live in where our own government is illegally trying to take down their commander in chief.

  • Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 9:05 a.m.

    Chaffetz:

    If you're a Democrat, you get investigated ad infinitum, at any cost to the taxpayer.

    If you're a Republican, you get a free pass.

    My seat in Congress is safe, I can do my job or not.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    Feb. 16, 2017 9:01 a.m.

    And the Chaffetz clown show just keeps rolling along. He is petrified of Trump, and Trump's bromance with Putin. Who elected this guy?

  • SG in SLC Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 8:56 a.m.

    (2 of 2)
    Now, let's suppose that, instead of one Bill Clinton/Loretta Lynch meeting, there were several, and they also included Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, Donna Brazile, and Jame Comey (and SIGINT existed on these meetings). Do you think THAT might be worthy of extensive investigation? Would the SIGINT leak be more serious than the content of the meetings?

    This scenario is akin to the Trump Administration/Russia Connection situation.

  • SG in SLC Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 8:54 a.m.

    (1 of 2)
    For those who think that passing the contents (but not the methodology) of certain Intelligence Community (IC) "Signals Intelligence" (SIGINT) relating to alleged Trump campaign/administration wrongdoing to an American media outlet is more egregious than the "Russian connection" wrongdoing (i.e., making agreements favorable to Russian interests prior to being legally empowered to do so, and passing sensitive information relative to our national interests to Russian officials), let's look at it in a context that you might be able to relate to:

    Let's say that during the 2016 presidential campaign, a candidate (e.g., Hillary Clinton) has been accused of wrongdoing. Now, let's suppose that one of her senior advisors (e.g., Bill Clinton) decides to have an "off the record" meeting with AG Loretta Lynch (on the tarmac at Sky Harbor Airport). Would you want to know what was said in that meeting? If the IC had "bugged" the meeting, would you go after them for leaking intelligence, or would you want the media to publish the contents of the meeting?

  • There You Go Again St George, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 8:51 a.m.

    Mr. chaffetz is simply a trump enabler.

  • illuminated Kansas City, MO
    Feb. 16, 2017 8:37 a.m.

    Nobody even knows what Flynn talked about on the phone. Nobody has evidence of any wrong doing on his part.

    What we DO have evidence of, is illegal phone tapping by our intelligence agencies under President Obama.

    A lot of people need to go to jail here, big time. Starting with people in the NSA. I hope Chaffetz follows this all the way to the top. What did Obama know and when did he know it? Did he order this?

    Flynn and Russia is a head fake for the real scandal. We have people in our own government illegally leaking information to destroy their own commander of chief. Unbelievable.

    Lock these criminal leftists up and throw away the key.

  • 1aggie SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 8:33 a.m.

    Chris Karpowitz, co-director of BYU's Center for the Study of Elections and Democracy, said the direction Chaffetz has taken with his call for an investigation into the news reports likely won't quell constituent concerns.

    "I’m not sure that gets him off the hot seat here," Karpowitz said. "The problem here isn't the leaks. The problem is the substance of what those leaks are telling us. They seem to be pointing at something much more serious."

    Amen

    Jason,
    Just for a moment imagine Hillary is POTUS and her national security advisor did what Flynn did--lied to the VP and Hillary blamed the media for having to fire Flynn. And, Russia hacked and selectively leaked RNC emails. And Hillary was tweeting about Chelsea's line getting dropped at Nordstrom and never released a single tax return. And Hillary personally called the NPS inquiring about pictures of crowd sizes at her inauguration. And Hillary was threatening to sue journalists? Etc etc etc

    What would you be doing? Do that.

    Lord, help us. Our leaders

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 8:32 a.m.

    The hypocrisy is sickening. Why do we continue to send career hypocrites back to Congress every election?

  • SG in SLC Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 8:31 a.m.

    So, apparently Chaffetz & Co. are more interested in ensuring that future whistleblowing and evidence of wrongdoing never see the light of day; making an example of the whistleblowers and the journalists who publish their information in order to intimidate and cow future do-gooders is just icing on the cake for them.

  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 8:29 a.m.

    Treason is a crime. Whistle-blowing is not a crime. Our intelligence people are true patriots and heroes.

    What Cheney, Karl Rove, and Scooter Libby did to Valerie Plame's career was sickening. We can expect to see a lot of careers destroyed because Trump can't see beyond himself.

  • Something to think about Ogden, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 8:15 a.m.

    I call for an investigation of Chaffetz.

    He's either lazy or ignorant when it comes to his job!

    What's your theory?

    The Trump administration has provided him with multiple opportunities to 'stay busy'.

    As a Utah citizen, not a paid protestor, once told Mr. Chaffetz: "Do your job!".

    FYI: I'm quoting myself on the "Do your job" phrase.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 7:51 a.m.

    Wow. We need someone to investigate Chaffetz. This is dereliction of duty on his part.
    People aren't going to be so polite at his next town hall, I suspect.

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 7:44 a.m.

    "I’m not sure that gets him off the hot seat here," Karpowitz said. "The problem here isn't the leaks. The problem is the substance of what those leaks are telling us. They seem to be pointing at something much more serious."

    --- Exactly!

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Feb. 16, 2017 7:09 a.m.

    Here is my take on this whole thing. If there is no connection with Trump and the Russians - and I have no reason to believe there was any collusion with Trump and the Russians - you would think that the best course of action would be to not investigate leaks to the US media.

    What should be of interest to every American, liberal or conservative, is any attempts by the Russians to influence the American political process. This should be of high interest to everyone. It is a known fact by both sides that Russia is no friend of the US. Period. Regardless if there was any communication by Trump - any attempt by Russia to compromise any US political system should be of high intent to all parties.

    If there is no collusion, an investigation would prove that point, and put this issue to rest. How better to silence this issue other than to investigate it, and find out what really happened. The communications between Trump's staff and Russia may have been totally innocent. But that doesn't mean Russia's intents were innocent. We need to know this.... and then put it to rest.

  • BYGardner SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 7:08 a.m.

    I think I may actually prefer rep Chaffetz to look into voter fraud, so that we can stop hearing about it. This is just something Trump throws out whenever he wants to change the news story, or has had his feelings hurt. Even Sen McConnell just ignores this when its mentioned.

  • I M LDS 2 Provo, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 6:55 a.m.

    I am disappointed in what appears to be clear partisanship by Chaffetz in the performance of his duties as Chair of the Oversight Committee. But that is compounded by his dismissing his constituents as paid ringers at a recent Town Hall meeting to which he invited us! You cannot properly and represent the people if you talk more than you listen, and distort the truth to justify your reticence.

  • BYGardner SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 6:55 a.m.

    Trump has known for weeks that Flynn had lied to Pence, and that he was subject to Russian blackmail. If it wasn't for these leaks to the media, Trump would never have fired Flynn, and Pence would have never known. Chaffetz's committee exists to uncover truth, not to conceal it. Chaffetz, Do Your Job!!!

  • stevo123 slc, ut
    Feb. 16, 2017 6:51 a.m.

    Mr. Chafftez is now blind to possible Russian involvement in our election.

  • Utefan60 Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 5:52 a.m.

    DN Subscriber - Cottonwood Heights, UT, still on the Hillary thing? That was proven over and over again to be a complete fraud. But it is all the radical right supporters of Trump can bring up. So let's get to the real issues and that is our National Security under this administration.

    So you can bring up Hillary all you want as a smokescreen, but the GOP now has the duty to get to the bottom of this Russian issue and there is one heck of a lot of smoke billowing out of this travesty.

    So sidestep the issues like many GOP members and bring up Hillary? Getting tired of this old argument. The real issue is our national security. If this Russian deal had been with Hillary in the White House, the GOP hypocrites would be going gang busters. Now some honest GOP leaders are seeing we have a crisis and it needs to be addressed. Hillary, past news DN. And she was proven innocent.

  • H. Bob Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 5:48 a.m.

    So there's a fire in the White House, and Jason's response is to investigate why the smoke detectors are going off? Brilliant.

  • Ray Winn Stansbury Park, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 5:47 a.m.

    With an (apparently) straight face, Chaffetz announces he is going after - NOT the misdeeds of a possibly traitorous, certainly inept and flawed new administration - but after those who dare shine any kind of light on such misdeeds. And we citizens applaud him !!! How low our country has sunk.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Feb. 16, 2017 5:38 a.m.

    "Frankly I think any claims that the "Russians stole the election" are absurd, but voter fraud was very real, committed by Democrats. "

    And this is the real problem. Here, an American believes claims by Russia of their innocence into American spying, but doesn't believe in literally dozens of studies that found no evidence of voter fraud. Report after report has found evidence of "Russian" hacking of US systems, and there are no reports supporting voter fraud. And yet this person believes the non supported claim over the one where there have been numerous reports of confirmation of the other claim.

    We believe Clinton was a risk, because her server was a risk to national security by possible Russian hacking - yet we also believe their was no Russian hacking in the last election? Does no one else see the contradictions here? Evidently Russian hacking is partisan based - they only want to hack Democrats?

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Feb. 16, 2017 5:33 a.m.

    It's impossible to say that "Russia stole the election". But what they did certainly could have affected it. Isn't that enough to warrant and investigation?

    Concerning voter fraud. Yes, there are dead people on the roles. But, Trumps claims of 3-5 million illegal votes is irresponsible. If you have credible evidence, show the details.

    Yes, there should be an investigation into the leaks. But there is certainly some evidence that there was questionable contact with Russia. Those (Chaffetz?) who do not see this as worth investigation are pure partisans. Chaffetz has lost all credibility concerning oversight. He is merely a partisan politician.

    Lastly, Trump is blaming the media for the ouster of Flynn. How can that be? Is it because they reported the truth? Flynn misled (read lied). He admitted it. And was removed.
    How is the media to blame? Anyone?

  • Unreconstructed Reb Chantilly, VA
    Feb. 16, 2017 4:41 a.m.

    Yes, let's overlook yet more evidence of Russian interference in our election and active collusion of members of the current administration with Putin.

    And Chaffetz wonders why so many people were so mean to him last week.

  • Iron Rod Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 2:24 a.m.

    New to Utah Provo Utah

    Is it your feeling that at Congressman's Chafitz town hall meeting there were "Paid Professional Protestors" who were bussed into the State by George Soros?

    If so please share your evidence with this specific event.

  • New to Utah Provo, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 10:01 p.m.

    Chaffetz is doing his duty to uncover the criminal leakers left over from the Obama administration. This Obama Shawdow government with 250 units under names such as Organizing for Action. It is not just a group of progressives but an organized group of paid demonstrators with the goal of toppling the Trump administration. The Chaffetz shout down town hall is just the beginning. Billionaire George Soros is funding these through his dozens of non profits and other organizations. Where he hides his money? I saw this in person in St. Louis right after the Michael Brown deceptions and riots in 2014 with paid bused in rioters. The mainstream media distorted the facts. I was at a family gatherings and had dozens of locals who lived there express outrage over these bused in rioters.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 9:54 p.m.

    Okay, if Congress wants to dig into these alleged" Russian connections" due to concerns over national security and classified information, go ahead.

    However, the same appointment of anyone to dig into charges against Trum should also appoint a special prosecutor to investigate "concerns over national security and classified information" connected to Hillary Clinton.

    Frankly I think any claims that the "Russians stole the election" are absurd, but voter fraud was very real, committed by Democrats.

    Right now the release of highly classified information to the leftists news media is a far greater concern than if Trump's future NSC guy called to introduce himself to the Russian diplomats. Remember, Obama's future NSC guy actually went to Moscow before he was even elected!

  • Jim Chee Ka'anapali, HI
    Feb. 15, 2017 9:53 p.m.

    While the questions about Donald Trump increase in magnitude, we have only one question to ask: What did he know and when did he know it? This is the classic Richard Nixon question that brought down the Nixon White House.

    We know that Jason Chaffetz has not been willing to investigate wrong-doing in the Trump administration, going out of his way to dismiss requests to find out about the Trump-Russia connection despite news stories appearing the the major national newspapers. Chaffetz want to investigate Benghazi and Hillary's email for another decade, but he won't investigate Trump and his ties to Russia.

    Now we see him going after the very people who are telling us what is going on the Trump World. Mike Pence has been played like a dupe. Mike Flynn has been hung out to dry after doing what he was told. And Jason Chaffetz can't find a reason to investigate Trump.

    It may be he had a candid conversation with Trump at the White House after signing a non-disclosure agreement and he believes he is now legally prohibited from launching any investigation into Trump's affairs. This is how Trump operates. He likes to keep things secret.

  • Daedalus, Stephen ARVADA, CO
    Feb. 15, 2017 9:19 p.m.

    Has Chaffetz learned nothing from the Trump escapades with the intelligence community?

    The 'mishandling of classified information' Chaffetz is now worried about just protected American interests by cutting off Russia's eyes and ears in the Situation Room. Exactly what needed to be done in light of Congressional GOP abdication.

    The intelligence community knows what intel has been shared with the GOP members who control both chambers of Congress. They can just as easily embarass those Representatives who stick their heads in the sand as the can pluck off a senior adviser in the Executive Branch. Chaffetz may continue to be reelected to his safe seat, but his committee leadership position is much less certain.

  • Mad Hatter Provo, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 9:18 p.m.

    Donald Trump is known to be intimately involved in all his business activities. He micro-manages and takes personal interest in everything that goes on in the Trump Organization and, by extension, his presidential administration. He sleeps little, and works incessantly to control everything he is involved in.

    So, it is reasonable to assume that Trump may delegate responsibilities within his administration to trusted aides, but he both instructs them what they can and cannot do and gets reports on their results. This is the way the man operates; nothing gets passed him without his direct attention.

    To say that Michael Flynn went on his own and called the Russian ambassador is to refuse acknowledging reality. Flynn would not do anything without Trump's order and Flynn would report to Trump on the results of his conversation. It is not in Flynn's nature to go out and do things on his own, and Trump's appears to confirm this when he said today that Flynn "is a very good man" after so-called dismissing him for lack of trust.

    Trump has often commented that he got where he is by working and paying attention to detail. He likes to make the decisions.

  • Queen of Hearts Phoenix, AZ
    Feb. 15, 2017 9:09 p.m.

    Here we go.

    Now Jason Chaffetz is starting to investigate the Trump administration and ties with the Russians. But not as you would suspect. As far as Chaffetz is concerned, the resignation/firing of Michael Flynn ended any need to have an investigation. This came when many thought that Donald Trump instructed Chaffetz not to investigate anything in his administration. However, now we have an investigation except it isn't the one people wanted.

    Chaffetz, in response to Trump's incessant and wrongful belief that the leaking of information was illegal, now wants to investigate the leaks. Apparently, Chaffetz believes that exposing the chaos and activities of the Trump administration where it crosses the line is not a valid use of his time, but chasing down those who reveal information about the chaos and activities is. This is interesting because it appears that Chaffetz is working on behalf of the Trump administration to silence those who provide information on possibly illegal/improper activities.

    More so, it is to shut down the investigation of Trump's direct involvement with the Russian interference in our presidential election.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 8:51 p.m.

    Another Chaffetz smokescreen. He's going after this instead of digging into Trump and his friends close financial ties & possibly blackmail vulnerability to the Russians. Talk about misdirection. Chaffetz needs to be replaced.