Morning Links: Jazz jersey patch gets more praise, Cougars and Utes back-to-back in ESPN's preseason rankings

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  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 17, 2017 10:01 p.m.

    Jello:

    Nope. It doesn't work that way. You can't just toss out the games that you don't like. When measuring against P5, you have to take ALL of the games. Be they "Home" games, "Away" games, or games vs. "Utah", they ALL count. Additionally, just because an "average P5 team" would go .500, that doesn't mean that the cougars would do so likewise, as they are in fact not a P5 team. They're a "midmajor". And "midmajors" typically lose those games.

    The Y has been posting losing records vs. P5 teams for years. Since 1998 thru their MWC swan song, the cougars have posted losing records vs. the teams from the Power conferences (23-31, .426), and since leaving the MWC, they again have amassed a losing record against them (13-17, .433). Nothing has changed.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 17, 2017 9:41 p.m.

    deductive reasoning:

    "Unfortunately for U, ESPN has no such respect for U..."

    Nope. You made that up. How frantic and emotional of you. ESPN ranked Utah 23rd in their Final "ESPN Power" poll (Google: "Final 2016-17 Power Rankings settle all debates", Jan. 12, 2017).

    The cougars on the other hand didn't even get any votes. Even Western Kentucky got some votes. I guess ESPN has more respect for the Hilltoppers than they do the cougs.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 5:37 p.m.

    "Don't get me wrong, this is not great and there is room for improvement. But even the most biased of evaluators would have to admit that BYU is competitive with other P5 teams since Independence."

    Yes, but there are those who are so biased that they are obsessed. These people do not see reason when evaluating football programs. ESPN, like Sagarin, is attempting to make a ranking based entirely on objective measures and once again finds BYU right by the Utes. There's a reason Utah only beat BYU by one point at home.

  • Jello is Good ,
    Feb. 16, 2017 1:38 p.m.

    Many on these threads have commented on the decline of BYU's football program and use their performance against P5's and especially Utah as proof. Here are some facts that refute that:

    *An average P5 team will go 500 winning most of their home games and losing most of their away games.

    *Since going independent, BYU has a 13-18 record against P5's. On the service this would project as a below average team.

    *Of those 31 games, BYU played 11 at home and 18 on the road. If they were merely a average P5 team, their record would be around 11-18.

    *By BYU winning 13 it would show that in the last 6 years against P5's with the equal number of home games to away games their record would be more like 17-14.

    *5 of BYU's losses came at the hands of Utah. They have definitely had their number. Taking those away, BYU's record against all P5's not Utah is 13-13. Of those 26 games only 9 were home games.

    Don't get me wrong, this is not great and there is room for improvement. But even the most biased of evaluators would have to admit that BYU is competitive with other P5 teams since Independence.

  • UU Provo, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 8:56 a.m.

    Roadrunner,

    6 in a row

    16 of 23 and during that time span there have been 3 blowouts.... BYU being the recipient of each beating.

    It appears just one person hasn't accepted that Utah is now playing at a different level than BYU winning head-to-head, more BCS, more CFP rankings, better bowl record and beating teams that finish the year ranked.

    BYU gets the award for beating the most cupcakes with it's annual weak SOS.

  • UU Provo, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 8:43 a.m.

    To Roadrunner, see below:

    deductive reasoning - Arlington, VA
    Feb. 15, 2017 2:29 p.m.
    For dumbest call in college football, see Utah player dropping the ball just before the goal line.

  • Jello is Good ,
    Feb. 16, 2017 8:37 a.m.

    What are they seeing that I'm not on Utah? I know they lost quite a few starters, but picking 8 PAC teams, to include the entire South Div., in front of them is crazy.

    It is nice to see that the Only non-P5 conference members picked in front of BYU are ND and Memphis. This seems sustainable to me.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 16, 2017 7:07 a.m.

    deductive reasoning - Arlington, VA
    Feb. 15, 2017 2:25 p.m.
    JohnInSLC

    The CFP ranking are meaningless,

    unless you're close enough to the top to actually be in contention for a CFP berth or an NY6 invite.

    -----

    Yes being nationally relevant is meaningless down south which is why they celebrate Sagarin and ESPN rankings.

    Ask 2014 CFP #20 Boise State, just ahead of #21 Utah, how meaningless CFP was after they got a NY6 invite.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 16, 2017 6:59 a.m.

    Gandalph - Sandy, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 9:26 a.m.
    Utes trailing BYU in early ESPN 2017 pre-season ranking, just like they trailed BYU in Sagarin 2016 final ranking.

    --------

    Let the Provo Airport clebreations begin.

  • Jello is Good ,
    Feb. 16, 2017 4:47 a.m.

    Yes it is way too early to worry about polls. I am surprised at how low both are. I expected Utah to be ranked a little ahead of BYU, but I expected them both to be in the high twenties or low thirties.

    Can't wait to see what happens. I think both teams are a bit of a mystery right now.

  • Road Runner Cedar City, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 11:11 p.m.

    UU

    Who said anything about Whit making the call?

  • Road Runner Cedar City, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 11:02 p.m.

    T Red

    What's really been proven on the field over the better part of the last decade is that there is very little separation between these two teams.

    Utah 20 BYU 19 on Utah's home field in 2016 is proof of that.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 10:21 p.m.

    deductive reasoning - "For dumbest call in college football, see Utah player dropping the ball just before the goal line"

    Dropping the ball is a strong contender, but the award should really go to
    "4th and 19 on our own 5 yard line? Let's fake the punt!"
    That was comedy gold.

  • Al Thepal Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 5:53 p.m.

    Rankings at this time mean less than nothing, but the espn rankings for both BYU and Utah is an insult. 49 and 50? Seriously? I'm a BYU fan and I am not too fond of Utah, but this makes me hope that we both prove them wrong. Here's to BYU going undefeated and Utah only losing to BYU next year! Or, more realistically, both playing well enough to be in the top 25.

  • UU Provo, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 5:01 p.m.

    Someone actually thinks Whit made a call to have his player drop the ball before crossing the goal line? Wow, now that's funny. Some fans don't understand the difference between a play call and a player decision.

    That gap in logic explains why some anoint themselves pre-season contenders only to watch it collapse all around them before September is over.... like clockwork, year after year.

  • Chewbacca Magna, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 3:17 p.m.

    deductive reasoning-

    "For dumbest call in college football,

    see Utah player dropping the ball..." You think that was a call, huh? Ok...

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 2:51 p.m.

    "The CFP ranking are meaningless"

    reactive reasoning:

    Being a coog fan, of course you'd say that, seeing how the coogs have never sniffed one--not once.

    And to suggest ESPN's off-season non-ranking rankings mean more than the CFP? Most amusing!

  • Tomahawk Red San Francisco, CA
    Feb. 15, 2017 2:49 p.m.

    Ute buster - Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 10:35 a.m.

    This is not going to sit well with ute fans.

    ---------
    We couldn't care less.

    Why?

    Because it's been proven on the field for the better part of a decade who the better team is. Year in and year out, it's Utah.

    Your sorry chest-beating only reinforces why you are so thoroughly mocked for celebrating offseason championships every single year.

    It's groundhog day every year. BYU rated higher by some obscure writer, only to collapse during the season and finish miles outside the top 25.

    Stings eating our dust for eight years in a row, don't it?

    LOL!

  • Just Smiling BOUNTIFUL, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 2:40 p.m.

    Linehan's valentine card is hilarious and refreshing. I'm a Ute fan but I'm impressed with a talented athlete that can laugh at himself and not take things so seriously. Unlike the posters that constantly post here (both BYU and Utah fans), it shows a lot of class and healthy self image. We should all learn from such a great example. I can't believe that anyone should be arguing about a preseason poll, before spring football even begins, and proud of being 49 or 50. Shouldn't we all be a little embarrassed?

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    Feb. 15, 2017 2:29 p.m.

    For dumbest call in college football,

    see Utah player dropping the ball just before the goal line and then cluelessly watching the opposing team return the "fumble" 99 yards for a touchdown.

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    Feb. 15, 2017 2:25 p.m.

    JohnInSLC

    The CFP ranking are meaningless,

    unless you're close enough to the top to actually be in contention for a CFP berth or an NY6 invite.

    Unfortunately for U, ESPN has no such respect for U, which is why U ended up playing a mediocre bowl opponent that hasn't won a bowl game in a quarter of a century.

  • Chewbacca Magna, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 2:03 p.m.

    Ute buster-

    In the spring, we Ute fans chuckle at snickering cougar fans. In September we'll chuckle at the excuses coming out of Provo. Thank you!

  • Ute buster Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 1:55 p.m.

    EEK,
    Did I mention BYU? No.

    Actually I do feel better about the utes at 50. Now that is funny.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 1:07 p.m.

    Ute buster,
    Funny how you feel pretty good about 49th.

  • Sanefan Wellsville, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 12:56 p.m.

    Rankings have little credibility at the end of the season and they have none now. As for the dumbest call ever in college sports, I'm not sure it was the dumbest, but it's got to rank up there towards the top.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 12:12 p.m.

    49th is just about right for byu if they win all 8 of their cupcake games. go cougs.

  • UteMiguel Go Utes, CA
    Feb. 15, 2017 11:47 a.m.

    Good attitude shown by Linehan. Reminds me of Kaelin Clay's positive response to his ball drop.

  • UU Provo, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 11:18 a.m.

    @Ute buster

    Don't feel sorry for the Utes, they've actually been ranked in the College Football Playoff polls every year since it began 3 years ago.... BYU not so much.

    Expect more of the same in 2017.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 11:08 a.m.

    Gandalph

    "Utes trailing BYU in early ESPN 2017 pre-season ranking, just like they trailed BYU in Sagarin 2016 final ranking. Let the weeping and wailing and spin begin."
    ________

    I doubt too many Ute fans care about trailing BYU in polls that mean nothing at the end of the year or at the beginning of the year. Polls that do matter...
    CFP first and foremost (Utah has never missed and BYU has never made).
    Then AP and Coaches.
    Everything else is just fluff and a way for certain fans to feel better about their team.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 11:04 a.m.

    I put zero stock in FPI. There's criteria built into that model that consistently leads to underrating the Utah football program based on Kyle's style of play. Perhaps the new offensive scheme this year will change that a bit but I couldn't care less about the FPI when it so consistently misses the target on Utah and other programs.
    I do however care about the CFP poll which Utah has yet to miss, let's keep that rollin. Go Utes!

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 11:00 a.m.

    "Let the weeping and wailing and spin begin."

    gandolf:

    No weeping and wailing. It's just ESPN trying to save their investment and prop up your coog's faltering brand. Those rankings are meaningless, unlike the CFP poll. Ever heard of it?

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 10:45 a.m.

    Gandalph "...just like they trailed BYU in Sagarin 2016 final ranking."

    Is that the great thing about sports in this state? There is something for everyone.

    Utah fans can enjoy the scoreboard, AP, and CFP top twenty five rankings.
    Cougar fans can enjoy a quiet November and something called a "Sagarin ranking".

  • Ute buster Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 10:35 a.m.

    What to the football experts know. The kids on the hill should be ranked in the top 5.
    Funny how their star-studded recruiting class (snicker, snicker) is not what the ute fans think it was. This is not going to sit well with ute fans.

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    Feb. 15, 2017 10:18 a.m.

    BYU is ahead of the Utes nearly every year - before the season begins, that is. . .

  • burningblue Provo, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 10:17 a.m.

    Rankings at this point really don't matter much. I'll still consider the Utes the better team until the Cougs beat them.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Feb. 15, 2017 9:43 a.m.

    Looks like ESPN wasn't nearly as "star struck" with the latest recruiting class as the kids on the hill were.

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    Feb. 15, 2017 9:44 a.m.

    Johnny's personality is incredible. He hit an issue with appropriate humor. Glad he's back next year.

  • What in Tucket? Provo, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 9:35 a.m.

    I only watch BYU, but think Utah a stronger team. Time for BYU to win, but maybe not this year.

  • Gandalph Sandy, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 9:26 a.m.

    Utes trailing BYU in early ESPN 2017 pre-season ranking, just like they trailed BYU in Sagarin 2016 final ranking.

    Let the weeping and wailing and spin begin.

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    Feb. 15, 2017 8:27 a.m.

    Linehan paying homage to the dumbest call ever in college sports.