Bill raising minimum wage in Utah to $10.25 an hour held by committee

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  • Bbakersc Mesa, AZ
    May 23, 2017 6:33 p.m.

    We just had this happen in Arizona and businesses are leaving in droves. We were considering moving our business to Utah, but we will not if they are going to do the same thing AZ did. We give young people a great job that will give them skills that will last a life time. We start at $10, but most are at $12+ within a couple of months. We have about 50-100 jobs like that to bring to Utah if this bill is shot down, but we'll go to Idaho if necessary. It'd be a shame for Utah to miss out on these jobs.
    Minimum wage was never intended to be a living wage, it was intended for students and those adults going back to school etc. When the minimum wage goes up, the cost of food, gas, and housing to name a few go up too.
    Right before the AZ bill was passed I went to a fast food restaurant and the cost of a meal that I wanted was around $8 after the bill passed the same meal was $9.75. That is the cost of raising the minimum wage. Please fight to stop this so we can bring our business up to you fine folks up there.

  • 1Reader Sunnyvale, CA
    Feb. 19, 2017 12:26 p.m.

    Look at the mostly costly areas anywhere--and you'll also obviously see some of the toughest poverty there too. The key to helping the low economic end is to control costs--not mandate pay, so this does the opposite.

    It's just like a calculus problem: substitute the variable ($10) for a million and see if the model works out?
    This approach either works or it doesn't. The $2 raise is just less harmful--but it's still the wrong approach.

    And by the way, to those that say that youth don't work anymore--I say that is a real problem. People that expect an empty diploma to afford a lavish lifestyle haven't learned to work and contribute earlier; it's incredibly important to learn to work, it's the stepping stone to success.

  • 1Reader Sunnyvale, CA
    Feb. 19, 2017 12:15 p.m.

    In the photo, are they crying about all the lost jobs? That should be part of the calculus. Utah has a lot of youth who are happy to work for $8/hr; that's even advertized. Minimum wage laws rob the youth, immigrants, large households and freedom.

    The silver lining though is that businesses work harder on automation when these regulations are imposed--so we ultimately trade low wages for unemployment benefits and welfare.

  • Casey See FLOWER MOUND, TX
    Feb. 18, 2017 12:43 p.m.

    Manufacturing in the United States has drastically reduced in size, and scope since the 1950's and 60's. Why? Two reasons that both come back to the same root issue. The root issue is that we live in a global economy and not a single country economy. The two issues: 1) businesses initially refused to change and accept new concepts such as quality is free but requires constant improvement and 2) unions drove up wages will refusing to recognize the symbiotic relationship between management and the workers. Instead both sides saw it as a confrontational relationship.

    Only those businesses that embraced change and recognized that both sides needed each other have survived. Some only accepted these changes grudgingly.

    With minimum wage, the same issues exist. Raise the minimum wage, and jobs disappear. Pay only minimum wage and good workers will disappear. Minimum wage should not be changed. Teenagers and others just entering the workplace aren't worth more. But smart businesses realize that for those employees who have developed the skills needed by the business they better pay more or lose them.

  • jntrcs Lehi, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 11:19 a.m.

    I think the thing that gets continually overlooked by this is that people's time is worth different amounts to them. When I have a 16 year old I want him to be able to get a job making $7 an hour to teach him how to work. It's not immoral for him to be paid that, is it? While I totally agree that it would be awful to raise a family on the minimum wage, I find it mind boggling that in an economy that is growing as ours one can't find a full-time job that pays more than $7.25. I don't think it's moral to ruin my kids' teenage years because some people don't pursue better skills and higher paying jobs.

  • Utes Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 9:42 a.m.

    I am just sickened by the slippery slope march to Socialism, Communism, etc. Venezuala, Cuba, the former USSR, North Korea, etc. all started out with similar arguments that today's Progressives have.

    The free market - meaning lack of government controlled economies and regulations - have moved BILLIONS of humans out of poverty into a middle class. No other efforts - government efforts included - have come remotely close to what freedom and free markets have done.

    It is cruel, inhumane, and simply wrong to push more ideas that counter what the free market has done (the free market creating middle classes and prosperity with BILLIONS of human beings propsering) - it is wrong and inhumane to push those Progressive ideas, such as a $15 minimum wage. Instead, we should teach our children and socieity about the poverty-crushing ideas of free markets, and each persons' ability to improve his/herself to take advantage of those markets.

    Let's help businesses out by eliminating unnecessary regulations and let the market determine wages. Let's help people out by telling the TRUTH - that govt. controlled economies create poverty, and free markets create prosperity.

  • Captain Green Heber City, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 1:29 a.m.

    It is not the role of any government to issue mandates on wages or price controls. That is the business of dictatorships and banana republics... not a representative system of, by, and for the people. Wages should purely be a free-market matter. It's the most efficient and the most fair method.

  • Kidd_Gallahad Sandy, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 9:28 p.m.

    It only goes to affirm what some conservative pundits have claimed. Liberalism is a mental disorder. This Democrat, Hemingway, insists, "They are going to invest in rent, they're going to invest it food, . . . . etc." Sorry Mr. Hemingway. Rent and food are NOT investments! Perhaps 'kids' might be. Rent is essentially throwing money into a hole and food is a natural satisfaction to the hunger stressor of living.

    Regarding the idea of raising the minimum wage to $15 per hour. It will at least temporarily kill jobs locally and perhaps for a very long time before those jobs come back. Consumers will spend less since wage increases mandated by the state will be passed on to them and workers will either a) be laid off or b) have drastic cuts to their hours.

    The so-called champions of the middle class and 'little guy' are now as they have always been, destroying the common man with legislation that thwarts the invisible hand of the free market and squeezes profits on small businesses (and large) to where they can no longer compete.

  • SG in SLC Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 8:06 p.m.

    That increasing the minimum wage will result in higher prices and unemployment is a notion intuited by the "trickle-down/supply-sider" crowd, but it is a fallacy.

    What really happens is that minimum wage workers would now have more disposable income, which they would SPEND, spreading it through the economy (leveraged by a multiplier effect), giving businesses new customers (employees would be more able to afford the things that they produce) and adding to businesses' bottom lines. This was the logic behind Henry Ford paying his assembly workers higher than the prevailing wages at the time, rightly believing that helping his workers be better able to afford the automobiles they produced would add to his customer base.

    To be most effective and beneficial, a minimum wage increase should apply to those 17 or 18 and older, with younger workers receiving 75-80% of the increased minimum wage.

    I would strongly encourage reading/viewing what Nick Hanauer has to say on the subject; particularly his column on the PBS website from last October and his TED talk from August 2014.

  • mrjj69 bountiful, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 6:52 p.m.

    The best way to handle this is supply and demand. If you have the skills to make a higher wage you will make more money, If you have no skills you won't.
    You have the freedom to further your education or find a higher paying job. Mcdonalds
    has an ATM that dispenses a big mac. Menial labor is not where the job growth is.

  • dolce et decorum est Murray, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 6:32 p.m.

    For those that insist on seeing this solely in economic terms, all the talk about the market setting a price is a little bit ridiculous in a context saturated by government subsidy. If the employer is not paying an employee’s cost of living, somebody else is. That somebody is the taxpayer, you and me. Why is welfare for profit seeking more desirable than businesses paying the real price for services rendered? Furthermore, the building consensus of studies simply does not support the negative outcomes postulated in the comments. Example studies include “Review of Economics and Statistics,” by Dube, Lester and Reich and “The Effect of Minimum Wage on Prices,” by Krueger and Card.

    Finally, it is time to dispense with the characterization that teenagers make up even a significant portion of minimum wage workers. This may once have been the case, but no longer. Presently, only 12% of minimum wage earners are teenagers. The average age for such a worker is 35, and 88 percent are at least 20. (2014 Report of The Center for Economic and Policy Research) Couching the issues as keeping teenagers busy during the summer is disingenuous.

  • bettyg, iowa lyme activist USA, IA
    Feb. 15, 2017 2:19 p.m.

    good luck passing your bill!! IOWA's legislature REFUSES to increase the minimum wage from $7.25 !!

    Folks can't survive on that. best wishes !! IOWAN

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 1:35 p.m.

    hasn't hired at the minimum wage for years because "the free market system is driving up" wages.

    no guarantee of her company's sales or profits

    government cannot guarantee "every social outcome,"

    only about 1% of the workforce is at minimum wage, and half of them are teenagers

    liberals cannot seem to understand these simple truths.

    anjyleyes
    If you run a small business from your home, who besides you would be paying you $10.25/hr? if $10.25 is good, why aren’t you paying yourself that now? It’s not just the workers’ viewpoint you need to consider.

    Skeptic
    Union greed and corruption has killed unions by pricing the labor they represent out of the global market.

  • glacierlake3 Provo, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 1:28 p.m.

    Utah has Had many years of making making a better life through that of deflationists and while the issue of gaining more of the pie for the poor continues to be a real truth in helping the poor the needy the sick and the afflicted which includes the poor working class. the issues of the increase in a price of housing with many older people or do you keep the price of housing and food and clothing and other basics down. will you be building the local economy or will you be importing more. And destroying the local economy? I want to see the poor helped as well. The legislation issue sounds great until the final tally is that Utah becomes less of a producer relying more on outside resources and Goes into the hole. It takes more than just handling a wage increase to make Utah profitable. I remember the days of retail store floor man. $2.75 cents an hour. I don't want to see more people in the street because of business foreclosures. In cannot afford to keep the doors open in the state of Utah. Swift out of Chicago years ago established a wave across America which today is commonly talked about through that of Walmart. I want to see the poor with better livingconditions

  • Dr Rob Sequim, WA
    Feb. 15, 2017 12:29 p.m.

    To those who feel they need a hand out /charity /money not earned then this sounds like a great idea! But in reality if you believe in a free market, then minimum wage should be $0.
    A free market will eventually reveal what the minimum wage is. It's whatever amount you're willing to work for given a certain number of hours. If you're not paid enough, move on... Find a better paying job, etc...
    Don't burden the business that gives you the job. Take Seattle, just passed 15/hour last year . All those lower paying jobs are gone! Kiosks and skeleton crews are now the norm. And will get worse with time. Let capitalism work. Minimum wage $0 and let the market place craft the real amount. Hey! If a kid wants to work at McDonald's for 8 bucks an hour, great! Why does big government have to interfere with this agreement? He's not supporting a family, and a job at McDonald's was never designed to feed a family, nor should it be forced to

  • Spalding55 Placentia, CA
    Feb. 15, 2017 12:08 p.m.

    Common sense guy:.

    You're leaving out factors such as demand and profit margins into your basic math equation. If wages go up 20%, a fast food chain cannot raise the price of French fries 20% if no one is willing to pay the cost increase. They would need to resort to other marketing strategies (cutting down the size of the fries order, etc).

    Utes Fan:

    Technology has a bigger effect than immigration and government regulations on semi-skilled jobs. Scanners have driven down the wages and eliminated jobs for check out clerks. Larger stores can purchase this technology to control employee costs much more than small businesses. Look at bookstores. The larger boxs stores such as Barnes and Noble drove out smaller book stores. Now Barnes and Noble is in trouble with e-readers and Amazon taking the market.

    The issue of a liveable wage is much more complicated than simple math formulas, government regulations and immigration.

  • Summit Park City, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 11:54 a.m.

    I have never understood the minimum wage. If you did away with it, would lower wages migrate to $0.00? Lower wages haven't seen minimum wage in several years. Supply / demand does not allow it.

    So, what is the real reason? Does it move lower wage earners to higher tax brackets so that they pay more taxes (or get less subsidies)? Does it stimulate inflation so that the dollar is worth less and governments debt decreases in real value? Does it price American exports higher so that we gain more on the world market? Does it encourage migrate workers to come to the country?

    There may be dozens of other possible reasons, none of which seems to directly benefit the lower wage earner over the long haul. I don't understand it. Enlighten me.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 11:54 a.m.

    @staypuffinpc
    "If the average annual cost-of-living increase is 3%, then why would we want to increase minimum wage nearly 37%?"

    Well it's been how many years since the minimum wage was increased? If you add 3% to it each year since then your idea might be a lot closer to the 37%.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 11:49 a.m.

    @mallow
    "I know that poorer workers will think this is a great idea, but if you will actually look at what happens, you will find that you lose ground rather than gain it. Businesses raise prices and in the end, you have less spendable income. "

    That's incorrect. Yes, businesses raise prices but the increase in wages disproportionately goes to those at the bottom (obvious, since it's a minimum wage increase) but the increase in prices to pay for that affects everyone at all income levels so those at the bottom will gain more than they lose and those higher up will lose more than they gain.

  • Diligent Dave Logan, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 11:47 a.m.

    I'm self-employed, and have wholly been since 1981 (though I started my business in 1980). In 1986, for six months, I hired an early retiree from California (who was then 50), who had a pension, and his house (here) was completely paid for (after cashing in on his much pricier home in San Diego). I paid him minimum wage. He made more money in the minimum wage I paid him during those 6 months than what I made from my business during the same period.

    Decades ago, the black economist and syndicated economist, Thomas Sowell, of Stanford University, wrote about how before minimum wages were begun in the U.S., unemployment among black youth was at the same level as white youth unemployment (meaning also that their employment was then also the same). However, steadily, as minimum wage laws were enacted, and as minimum wage has been raised, black youth unemployment has soared. And as that has happened, the level of black marriage plummeted, in tandem.

    If legislating prices, including prices on labor, could eliminate poverty, that would have happened decades ago. But is has not, because it does not improve wage equality.

  • ConservativeUtahisBest Murray, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 11:18 a.m.

    Let's say you do raise it eventually to $15.00/Hr. What about those people that are making $15.50/Hr before the minimum wage was raised. They are still making $15.50/Hr while their co-worker who was just hired on and has no experience then is basically making the same amount as them. So then we the heck did the first person get the experience to get up to $15.50/Hr?

  • ERB Eagle Mountain, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 11:13 a.m.

    Utah trout Stocker
    Where are you posting this 48 k job and not getting any applicants. The job I got 4 months ago had 200 applicants. Here in SLC. My nephew needs a job and has a degree. Where can he find where to apply for that job?

  • CMO Beaver Beaver, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 11:08 a.m.

    Communist agenda is here

    Red Dawn

    Beware

  • SLC Grandma Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 11:00 a.m.

    Entry-level jobs are just that, where you are paid based on your skills and value to the business. As you learn and become more valuable, your wage should increase; if not, then take your increased skills elsewhere. Entry level is a beginning not the goal so a savvy employee/employer relationship would be to increase value to each. Further training and/or higher education leads to higher paying jobs. Higher education costs keep rising so on-job training is a good option. Many, if not most, employers aim for skilled, reliable workers and reward them accordingly but cannot afford to hire untrained workers at some "living wage" that sinks his business because of increased overhead but no increase in production.

  • Sad Sack Hurricane, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 10:41 a.m.

    I'll be a little more blunt than some of the other posters here. If you folks, people that we elected, decide to raise taxes on food, I am going to start a recall on each and every one of you.
    Now here is an option for you to think about. Quit messing around with the issue of polygamy, allow the adults to live as adults wish to live. But stop the welfare to the sister wives and their kids. This money ends up in the community pot, and does not go for what welfare is intended. Let a fella have as many wives and kids as he wants. As long as he supports them.
    Another idea. Get on board with the lottery games. Anybody who is offended by the lottery simply does not have to play it. Even giving the church 10% of the profits would still raise plenty of money.
    And another idea. Stop with all these roads that go nowhere! We have two hefty examples of roads paved with pork, right here in Dixie. One is the Washington Parkway, which necessitated construction of a new freeway interchange. The other is The Southern Beltway, aka SR 7! Having SR 7 run from I-15 to the airport is necessary. But all the rest of it, what has been built, and what is in the works, are pure pork.

  • kurt11 Smithfield, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 10:33 a.m.

    Let the economy work.. This will hurt the overall economy more then help it.

  • Utes Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 10:32 a.m.

    @Spalding55

    The majority of minimum wage earners are adult. In California, you see many elderly working at fast food establishments. For them it's more than a minimum wage; it's a living wage. Many of the better paying semi-skilled jobs wages have been driven down to near minimum wage as well.

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    Govt. taxing small business too much. Way too many unnecessary regulations. And, yes, constantly raising the minimum wage such that the "big players" such as Target and WalMart can absorb the forced hike in wages, whereas small businesses cannot. This leads to too many small business failures, thus making the WalMarts and Targets more prosperous as their competition slowly dies. Over decades, this all leads to less economic prosperity for the low wage earners and middle class.

    Also, an over-abundance of cheap labor by the tens of millions in immigration (legal and illegal) all leads to what you say: "semi-skilled jobs wages have been driven down to near minimum wage as well".

    Think about it. Progressive ideas are hurting the lower wage earners and middle class, NOT helping them.

  • Common Sense Guy Richfield, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 10:00 a.m.

    Raising the minimum wage puts more people in poverty. Here is an example. Let's say a person is earning $12 per hour, and the minimum wage increases from $7.25 to $10.50 per hour. This is an increase of $3.25 per hour. which is equal to about a 20% increase. Basic math says we can expect about a 20% increase is prices, since employers are going to pass the cost of paying their employees on to their customers. So unless employers who are paying $12 suddenly start paying $14.40 per hour or higher, the $12 an hour employee just got poorer. Easy math $12 x 1.20% = $14.40. That is the problem for the poor, the lower middle class, & the middle class. It is not just the employees making $12 it hurts. You can make $30 per hour and it still reduces your actual buying power if the minimum wage increases.

  • water rocket Magna, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 9:53 a.m.

    Troutstalker: You must not be doing a very good job of advertising your position.

    There are so many reasons not to raise the minimum wage that we could go over that for days. There are also many reasons why it would be helpful for those struggling to make it.

    I would like to point out that our educational system is supposed to prepare our children to be employable, but instead, they want to teach sex education and other social issues.

    I would also like to point out that there are MANY people who simply don't get it when it comes to preparing themselves for a productive (employable) life, preferring instead to party, do drugs, and hang out. These people then cry that they need someone else to take the responsibility to provide for them. In very fact, this is precisely what is happening in Salt Lake City and their providing housing for the homeless.

    I don't wish to sound heartless, and we should always be willing to lend a HELPING HAND to those who are willing to do what they can to help themselves. BUT, a person strung out on drugs will only continue to keep doing drugs as long as it is made possible for them to do so.

  • Spalding55 Placentia, CA
    Feb. 15, 2017 9:46 a.m.

    I don't know about Utah, but in other states the time where minimum wage job earners were teenagers is passed. The majority of minimum wage earners are adult. In California, you see many elderly working at fast food establishments. For them it's more than a minimum wage; it's a living wage. Many of the better paying semi-skilled jobs wages have been driven down to near minimum wage as well.

  • Vanceone Provo, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 9:37 a.m.

    Funny how Seattle and Portland are experiencing huge booms in automation after raising their minimum wages.

    And all those poor people who had jobs suddenly have a wage of 0.

    Hey, it made a liberal feel good, though. That's all that matters, isn't it? Certainly not the real world consequence of their idiotic economic policies. Besides, all those poor people trying to get a job now are back on welfare where they belong: shackled to the Government slave machine and voting Democrat.

  • KellenJW Peachtree City, GA
    Feb. 15, 2017 9:33 a.m.

    If you want a raise, should you a) whine and cry to a politician until they pass a law forcing your employer to pay you more than you are worth, or b) make yourself more valuable?

    The way you answer that question says a lot about who you are.

  • KellenJW Peachtree City, GA
    Feb. 15, 2017 9:29 a.m.

    If raising the minimum wage helps poor people, then why not raise it to $1,000/hr.? Then, we would all be rich!!!

  • KellenJW Peachtree City, GA
    Feb. 15, 2017 9:28 a.m.

    If an employee is worth more than minimum wage, then they should demand more! If their current boss denies them a raise, then they can go elsewhere. That is the beauty of the free market.

    If they are not worth more than they are being paid, then an increase in the minimum wage will cause them to lose their job.

    Every day, business owners have to decide if they should automate or hire humans. Think of the ordering kiosks at restaurants as an example. When ignorant politicians with good intentions increase wages beyond the market rate, it makes the decision to automate very easy.

  • skeptic Phoenix, AZ
    Feb. 15, 2017 9:22 a.m.

    The solution is not government regulated wages. The solution is to promote organized labor and allow the unions to freely and independently negotiate wages and employee benefits. Capitalism greed has effectively killed the unions and put the workers begging in the streets.

  • KellenJW Peachtree City, GA
    Feb. 15, 2017 9:22 a.m.

    Minimum wage laws hurt the very people they are designed to protect.

    In the short term, any employee who is not worth the higher wage will be fired. The poorest workers will become unemployed and forced into illegal work (drugs/prostitution/theft/robbery), or welfare.

    In the long term, the mandated higher wages will increase costs and decrease sales, causing businesses to close doors and more people will lose jobs. Those businesses healthy enough to stay open will have costs increase, and they will necessarily raise prices. This inflation will reduce the buying power of the higher wages, and we are back where we started, only with higher unemployment.

  • optic yellow Ogden, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 9:11 a.m.

    $15 an hour minimum wage sounds great!

    That way all of those education majors in college won't have to spend 4 years of tuition money to get a starting wage in the low 30k range.

    PS UtahTroutStocker - where are you hiring?

  • UtahTroutStalker Draper, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 8:56 a.m.

    I would love to see lower income people make more money and be able to have a better standard of living.

    My biggest concern is all of the help wanted signs in all of the fast food and small restaurants offering $11 an hour and sometimes $12 an hour now. They seem to be having a hard time finding people to fill those positions.

    Currently we have 5 entry level positions open that start at $48,000 per year with 6% 401K match, health benefits, generous earned time off and other perks. We have only had 1 interview in 2 months for the openings.

    Something don't jive.

  • ConservativeUtahisBest Murray, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 8:55 a.m.

    Someone working in Utah deserves to be paid what their education and experience are. Why should I go to school when I can make about the same by not going to school?

  • Vermonter Plymouth, MI
    Feb. 15, 2017 8:54 a.m.

    @dolce.
    You are right. This is a moral issue.

    Raising the minimum wage destroys job opportunities for teenagers, and the lowest-skilled workers--the poorest people in Utah. At a minimum, it is deceptive to say that this helps poor people.

  • Pig Frizzle Tremonton, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 8:45 a.m.

    Why not go to an even $20 ($41,600)?
    Or $30 ($62,400)?
    What about a nice $50 ($104,000)?

    A private business owner knows what it takes to run, be profitable (trigger warning), pay enough to keep the good employees, & be competitive (another trigger warning) in the market.

    If the employee is not happy, they can look elsewhere. They are not held to that work by shackles & chains.

  • 4601 Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 8:41 a.m.

    Raising the minimum wage is the correct thing to do. It passes on to consumers the cost of lifting out of subsistence living those who are willing to work. It stimulates demand by providing more spendable income. Will it have some negative consequences? Yes, most legislation does, but the positives out weigh the negatives.

  • AT Elk River, MN
    Feb. 15, 2017 8:40 a.m.

    I'm sorry, but Lynn Hemingway needs to take a basic economics course. The minimum wage is now, and will always be, $0. It's the amount someone makes who is priced out of a job. If your skill set is such that you can't do much more than ask, "Do you want fries with that?" and the minimum wage is higher, employers will resort to using machines to ask that question? A higher minimum wage makes employment and gaining job skills more difficult for an increasingly larger portion of the population. In addition, it also forces employers to change their business model and/or raise prices. This is simply bad policy and may become bad law.

  • Pig Frizzle Tremonton, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 8:24 a.m.

    "In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. From time to time we've been tempted to believe that society has become too complex to be managed by self-rule, that government by an elite group is superior to government for, by, & of the people. Well, if no one among us is capable of governing himself, then who among us has the capacity to govern someone else? All of us together, in & out of government, must bear the burden. The solutions we seek must be equitable, with no one group singled out to pay a higher price."
    – Pres. Ronald Reagan, Inaugural Address, 20-Jan-1981

  • conspiracygirl St George, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 8:13 a.m.

    If we're going to mandate behavior here, let's mandate that legislators take basic economics before attempting to control wages and prices. Perhaps at the very least we won't be subjected to them calling the act of purchasing food or paying rent an "investment,"

  • Hatu , 00
    Feb. 15, 2017 8:02 a.m.

    Kill this bill! This is a socialist idea. This is not a moral issue. This is an economic issue. Minimum wage jobs were never supposed to sustain a family. They are to get a person through high school and advanced education to then earn a living wage. Simple economics, raise wages raise cost. Overall sales would drop and then the business would layoff workers or close the doors. So how does this help? Also those that are on fixed income would spend less. Let employeers decide what they want to pay their employees. Let economics help the employer decide, not the government. If you want $15 minimum wage move to California or Washington.

  • Lamman Nampa, ID
    Feb. 15, 2017 7:49 a.m.

    If we want to use government to raise people out of poverty then why don't we provide serious addiction recovery
    On a massive scale.

  • No One Of Consequence West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 7:47 a.m.

    This anti-youth legislation should never pass.
    We need to stop electing people who do not understand economics!
    We have legislators who believe there is always more money in our pockets for tax increases and that businesses don't pay more because all employers are greedy.
    I get so tired of people who tell me I need to pay more attention to science in other areas but they pretend that there is no science to economics.

  • staypuffinpc Provo, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 7:30 a.m.

    If the average annual cost-of-living increase is 3%, then why would we want to increase minimum wage nearly 37%? And to double it in 6 years? When I started working at McDonalds in the early 1990s, the minimum wage was $4.25. I understood it was not a job that I would turn into a career (unless I wanted to be a manager) and that not all jobs should be max-pay jobs that would allow me to live off of. Forcing all jobs to earn a "living wage" discourages upward movement. It's not about whether I value the individual—it's about the type of work they do and the level of training required to do that job. One of the most demoralizing thing we can do to people is discourage improvement and betterment. There is nothing so demoralizing as stagnating and not learning to better yourself.

  • Dot Northern Utah, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 7:27 a.m.

    What I dislike is that employers want some kind of a certificate, associates degree or higher, and then they still want to pay a lower wage. It happened all the time where I worked. People would get advanced education and then employers would call and ask who the best student was and then offered minimum wage. How insulting!

  • ERB Eagle Mountain, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 7:19 a.m.

    If minimum wage hits $15 then a Big Mac hits $7. Sorry, but I'm not going to pay double for a burger or anything because a teenager needs to make $15 an hour. If you're an adult only able to get minimum wage jobs, what have you done to prepare yourself to be worth more than minimum wage. Learn a trade. Finish your GED. Go to a job fair. I saw yesterday where Arby's is hiring in Murray for $10 an hour. And that's for any flunky that walks in off the street. If you want to make more, be worth more.

  • anjyleyes Richmond, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 7:12 a.m.

    For the forgotten in the U.S. barely above poverty,nowhere near middle class..."The Working Class Poor" 10.25 an hour would be a blessing. We work sun up to sun down garden, can, and still I have a hard time feeding my kids first, then my husband, and many nights I go without just to make sure they get enough to grow and have the strength to work. I run a small biz from home so that I can ALWAYS be here for my kids. 10.25/hr I could pay every bill every month instead of having to pick and choose. We help others in need, if we have it to give we do. It always comes back 10 fold. But if you are griping about a pay increase how about we switch budgets and incomes for a month an see how well you do...8.75 40/hr a week (husband) and my measly 200-250 a month,2 boys with voracious appetites (13 & 15) Any takers?

  • Southern Phoenix, AZ
    Feb. 15, 2017 7:06 a.m.

    Raising the minimum wage to $15 is basically legislating away summer jobs for kids.

  • mulrich Columbia, SC
    Feb. 15, 2017 6:25 a.m.

    I've seen a lot of people say raising the minimum wage will just lead to companies raising prices but I've never seen an actual study that supports or refutes that belief. A quick skim over Wikipedia shows mixed findings of raising the minimum wage on unemployment but those effects are very small, if any.

    I'm also curious why we don't tie minimum wage to inflation (at least resetting every few years). The last time the minimum wage was raised was 2009. Inflation has been small since then but prices have gone up. Maybe raising the minimum wage is more a response to increase prices instead of the cause.

  • NeilT Clearfield, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 5:25 a.m.

    $10.25 is not unreasonable. Raising the wage to $15.00 is. How about this. It would only apply to workers eighteen and above. Teenagers working to earn spending money don't need it. When I was in HS I started out $1.60 bagging groceries at the Macey's store in Logan and I did just fine.

  • dolce et decorum est Murray, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 1:29 a.m.

    This is a moral issue. To pay less than a living wage is to regard another human being solely from the standpoint of economics, not as a human being. The more we become accustomed to viewing our brothers and sisters from a standpoint that does not acknowledge their humanity, the greater the inhumanity of which we are capable as a society. Only by viewing the Jewish population of continental Europe from a standpoint other than their humanity was Adolf Eichmann able to prosecute the holocaust with such ruthless efficiency. Yes, there is an enormous difference between paying a non-living wage and perpetrating a holocaust, but it is the same underlying principal at play.

    For those arguing morality cannot be legislated, I would agree. However, we have a moral obligation to enact laws that protect citizens from abuse. Just as we cannot legislate morality, but can promulgate laws against rape, so too, we can enact laws against the economic exploitation and psychological abuse of a non-living wage. Rep. LaVarr Christensen argues government cannot guarantee "every social outcome." True again, but there is a lot government policy can do to either hinder or foster outcomes.

  • rvalens2 Burley, ID
    Feb. 15, 2017 1:05 a.m.

    If you want to earn more than minimum wage, you need to be worth more than minimum wage.

    As others have noted, when businesses are forced to pay more for their low-skilled workers they simply cut positions and raise prices. In the end, it becomes a lose/lose situation for those earning the minimum wage as there are fewer jobs available and prices go up.

    Learn a trade skill, study a foreign language, earn a degree — just learn to do something that sets you apart from the rest of the workers.

    While there is nothing wrong with flipping hamburgers or rolling up burritos; those jobs have never paid much and never will.

  • Schwa South Jordan, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 1:02 a.m.

    For the life of me, I can't imagine anyone," he said, with "the capacity who would ever knowingly pay so little and treat someone so heartlessly."

    Boy, someone has not worked in the real world for big corporations very much, have they?

  • Capsaicin Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 12:40 a.m.

    We should raise it to $8.50 and then require a mandatory annual vote on the min wage wherein the legislature can ONLY raise the minimum no more than .25% of the current minimum wage per year.

  • DougSegesman Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 12:29 a.m.

    We need to stop limiting people's wages. Why on earth would you want a minimum wage? Start paying people what they are worth and quit holding good workers down to a minimum level.

    Also, as a business owner, I do not pay anyone minimum wage. My employees make on average $5 more per hour than minimum. Why in the world would I want to be surrounded by workers that believe they are only worth a minimum amount?

  • Rikitikitavi Cardston, Alberta
    Feb. 15, 2017 12:16 a.m.

    I was a small business owner for 34 years and can speak from experience. I despise governments tampering with the economy. I if I am not smart enough to pay decent wages to attract decent employees, then I do not deserve to be successful and I certainly do not need government telling me how much to pay workers. No one is forced to work for minimal wages except maybe those very poor performers. I usually paid 15-16 yr olds at the minimum wage rate. Adults always received higher wages and raises always based on merit.

  • Doctor C Orem, UT
    Feb. 14, 2017 10:15 p.m.

    The biggest downward pressure on incomes, especially for the poor, comes from illegal immigration and cash pay under the table.

  • Doctor C Orem, UT
    Feb. 14, 2017 10:12 p.m.

    Raise it to $25 an hour and send all the jobs to India and China. All a minimum wage does is increase unemployment, especially among teenagers. Businesses can't afford to hire a trainee teenager with little skills for $10 an hour. Do we really need a bunch of unemployed teenagers running around all summer) Stupid idea. Cut business payroll taxes and see good jobs increase. The only way to get a raise is to have another company willing to hire you for higher pay. It is called leverage.

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    Feb. 14, 2017 9:19 p.m.

    And I thought it was the oligarchy that we are developing into as a nation. But all along it was so the saps demanding a higher wage than $7.50 an hour.

  • mallow Pleasant Grove, UT
    Feb. 14, 2017 8:34 p.m.

    I know that poorer workers will think this is a great idea, but if you will actually look at what happens, you will find that you lose ground rather than gain it. Businesses raise prices and in the end, you have less spendable income. The state gets a little more tax. This would be a good thing for the Deseret News staff to report on. Do poor people do better after a minimum wage hike and if so how much better, and if not, why not. I've lived long enough to see more spread in poor/rich and I think this is one of the conditions that widens the gap.