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Restoring full sales tax on food 'still a possibility,' Senate president says

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  • andyjaggy American Fork, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 3:30 p.m.

    When you break this down essentially what they want to do is take money from a child's dinner plate, in order to put money into the child's education. It really doesn't make much sense.

  • diedo M√únster NRW, 00
    Feb. 15, 2017 10:36 p.m.

    A tax for nourishment?

    "No" for fresh, nourishing products - fresh vegetables, fruits, etc. - which support the health.

    Yes, a tax on "Junk-food" would be great, since Junk-foods do not fortify the health, but causes malnutrition, allergies, illnesses . . .
    Junk-food should be classified as tobacco and alcohol and other non-healthy addictive items.
    Also yes on sweet carbonated beverages.

  • MacMama Sandy, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 3:42 p.m.

    Dear Dave Neiderhouser.
    You are already on my *list from the legislative seasion last year. There just isn't a tax you don't like. I am one of your constituents and I can pretty much guarentee that you will not have my vote when you come up for election. It just doesn't matter how much we are taxed, it is never enough. Better figure something else out.

  • Pig Frizzle Tremonton, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 1:52 p.m.

    I again bring up the honest question & someone please answer ...

    When was the last year that a tax/fee was not increased/modified/created all in the name of 'The Children/Education'?

    I can't remember a year, even at a local level!

  • Cleetorn Fuaamotu, Tonga
    Feb. 15, 2017 12:38 p.m.

    It's kind of strange that the State has finally been able to win their argument for online sales tax - a move that is supposed to generate millions in tax revenue for the State - but it's not enough. We need to find more ways to squeeze every little penny from the peons who are not in elected positions already.

    What can we possibly do with money that Big Brother can't make us do better than we ever could on our own?

  • dave4197 Redding, CA
    Feb. 15, 2017 11:22 a.m.

    Teachers who teach full time in the classroom need better pay. Just to be clear what my positions are. Teachers need better pay. Admins and supervisors do not need better pay. Janitors and bus drivers do not need better pay.
    Sales tax on food is a dinosaur idea. Most states abandoned this long ago. C'mon Utah legislators, get it. We don't need the poor to pay their fair share as some poster said, we do need to follow our Christian values and help the poor. This talk about sales tax on food which falls heavily on the poor needs to be put in the grave.
    A much better plan is to raise income taxes. Keep the progressive tax rate system which allows deductions for selected reasons and which causes the more wealthy among us to contribute more to our society. In case they don't do it voluntarily.
    Soak the rich before you step on the poor.
    Education is the way out of poverty, everyone opines. So let's make education better, usually that means better pay for teachers, better facilities. And pay for it from the coffers of those who are seeing the most benefit, the wealthy.
    Democracy, raise your hand, call for those high earners to give back more.

  • katamb-midvale Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 10:45 a.m.

    Why don't you raise our already outrageous $1,300 rental rates too while you're at it, and create more and more homeless families and working poor????????????????? This is insane.

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 9:34 a.m.

    I agree that we don't need any tax increase.

    However, if we are going to get hit with a tax increase for schools, let's make sure it is a tax that is equitable as far as school funding goes.

    Food tax is about as close to a head tax as you can get without actually counting heads. More people in a home means more food. Sounds far more equitable to me than soaking the rich who happen to build a large, expensive home or who earn (yes earn) more money than someone else.

    The truly poor won't be hit at all by this as sales tax doesn't affect food stamp users.

    The lavishly wealthy will pay more as they buy their high priced food items.

    And we can drop the silly games of trying to distinguish between "ready to eat" and "stables". There is no rational reason why food stamps should be paying for take and bake (Papa Murphy) pizza while ready baked (Pizza Hut) pizza is hit with taxes.

    We tax homes and most clothing purchases, both of which are necessities of life. We tax medications. We tax transportation. No special reason that food, or politically favored food types, should be tax exempt.

  • itswhatithink West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 9:09 a.m.

    I cannot believe that the number of fee and tax increases proposed this year by a legislature who just doesn't get it that the taxpayers pockets are empty. Stop wasting on money on save the wolves and ports in CA and other things that the people of Utah cannot afford.

    The first place to make changes is in what is spent for our 'volunteers' on capital hill. Yes, I saw that written in the DN yesterday in a letter to the editor. They receive large per diems, hotel reimbursement, meals, entertainment, and healthcare for life for the rep and spouse. This needs to end.

    Do not start taxing for food again. Stop the boondoggle of spending for pet projects and start doing the right thing for those you supposedly represent.

  • UtahTroutStalker Draper, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 8:41 a.m.

    We should eliminate property tax exemptions for churches and religious institutions.

    Church of Scientology should pay property taxes.
    Catholic Church should pay property taxes.
    Evangelical Churches should pay property taxes.
    Mosques should pay property taxes.
    and yes
    the LDS church should pay property taxes.

    After we do that, if there is still not enough to pay teachers, they lets talk about sales tax on food. People need food before they need religiously owned property.

  • Prometheus Platypus Orem, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 8:33 a.m.

    Raise oil royalties, they haven't been raised since the 30's, Raise taxes on the extraction industries. It's not like they'll take there business elsewhere, oils and minerals aren't simply where the tax breaks are.

    Luxury taxes should also come way before regressive food taxes.

  • Corporal Dan Alpine, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 8:16 a.m.

    Raising the sales tax on food is just wrong. I've heard some legislators say that since poor people don't pay much income tax it is fair to have them pay something for the state services and food tax is the way to get it.
    Am I correct that the legislature is talking about spending $25m on homeless people? Having terrific homeless benefits encourages more of these people to come to the state. How many homeless are there in Utah? 3,000? $8k per person?
    Utah represents itself as a fiscally prudent state. Please don't increase taxes on the backs of the workers and poor.

  • CVgal Northern Utah, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 7:32 a.m.

    Personally, I get really tired that families who have more children don't get taxed for them. Everyone should pay their way -- even big families.

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    Feb. 15, 2017 6:54 a.m.

    How about cutting out tax breaks for more than three children? Breeding like rabbits is the central problem.

  • robin138 springfield, VA
    Feb. 15, 2017 6:45 a.m.

    Or, you could raise the tax on the 5%ers.

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 6:39 a.m.

    Why not take 20% of the wages and benefits from the politicians and their appointees? We can close the gap without raising taxes. Politicians are already generously compensated plus given more in perks and bribes than most Utahans make in a year. Maybe tack on a 20% tax to lobbyists also.

    Now that is creative thinking.

  • Capsaicin Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 12:34 a.m.

    Whats worse than having 25-39% of your income stripped from you with federal/social suckurity/medicare tax? Tack on State income tax. Tack on sales tax. Tack on property tax. Tack on health/housing/rental/car insurance. 60% or more people have no savings largely because .... government and regulations requiring all of the above. Reality is 40-60% of the voter base doesn't even mind the above scenario and stupidly prefer it that way.

    You want change? Convince people they need to be frugal and self sufficient and personally responsible for their actions.

    So when bonds and tax increases are voted on they are soundly defeated. The lack of people feeling the need to be personally responsible fuels big government.

    Frugal is totally lost on half the voter base. At the same time mettlesome greed permeates every corner of our society from the contractors and business that service consumer and government needs. We need a return to generosity. A willingness to lower prices for goods and services and and increase in employee compensation.

  • kmike las vegas, NV
    Feb. 14, 2017 11:09 p.m.

    Econ 101, this will hurt the state more than it will help.

    By taxing food a necessity of life it has a big effect on the lower Income people that have trouble making ends meet.

    If anything Utah needs to follow most western states and eliminate tax on food all together.

    This is the "moral" thing to do.

    Don't tax the necessities of life.

  • Doctor C Orem, UT
    Feb. 14, 2017 10:06 p.m.

    Increase taxes? What is this, Kalifornia? Try reducing government waste. We spend over $9,000 per student, 25 kids in a class, $225,000 a year. Lease a space and share a playground for $50,000 a year, utilities and janitorial $25,000 a year, supplies and a ipad/laptop for each kid $30,000 a year and you still have $120,000 left over to pay the teacher. I think we have a spending problem, not a school funding program. Try cutting the unecessary administration and building costs first before raising taxes.

  • Fullypresent Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 14, 2017 8:56 p.m.

    If they are going to raise tax on food only do junk food and pop. Food is a necessity of life and should not be taxed any further. If we are in a flush economy with low unemployment and we have a rainy day fund why is there a problem? What can be cut before we look at more taxes?

  • carman Wasatch Front, UT
    Feb. 14, 2017 8:25 p.m.

    Taxing food to fund schools is a bad idea and an inefficient way to pay for education.

    The tax on food is not deductible for Federal tax purposes like income or property taxes. So raising funds this way simply sends more Utah money back to Washington to be redistributed or spent. If we need more money for schools, increase the income tax or the property tax. At least these are tax efficient means that keep more money in our local economy.

  • mightymite , 00
    Feb. 14, 2017 8:13 p.m.

    Lost tax dollars in Utah are staggering. Huge amounts of potential tax dollars being gobbled up by a certain organization to build and maintain a business empire. Lets talk about that before you suggest raising taxes.

  • SAS Sandy, UT
    Feb. 14, 2017 8:04 p.m.

    Let's identify the core issue here: the poor spend a larger share of their income on food. The rich spend a smaller share, even if they're eating filet mignon and lobsters every evening.

    An increase in the sales tax on food thus falls upon those least able to pay.

    Increasing the income tax--or better, going back to the system of increasing rates that we once had--might ensure that we fund our schools without hurting working families.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Feb. 14, 2017 8:00 p.m.

    We need massive budget cuts, immediately. Herbert crows about Utah's economy, which should be flush with money. But, we need to increase taxes for gas, food & education? Sounds like our tax dollars are being mismanaged by Utah's GOP leadership.

  • dave4197 Redding, CA
    Feb. 14, 2017 7:50 p.m.

    Leave it to this gop-controlled legislature to return to a bad tax policy from the past, an idea that has been rejected soundly for good reason in most if not all states. Why? C'mon Utah, wake up, get your taxes somewhere else.

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    Feb. 14, 2017 7:50 p.m.

    Dnews my comment was not against your policies.

    So is the legislature going to disclose the actual increase they want to raise sales tax on food by 271 percent like they are demanding for the state income tax initiative?

  • No One Of Consequence West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 14, 2017 7:46 p.m.

    The citizens of Utah are paying a high enough percentage of their incomes in taxes. No tax increase is acceptable. Time to look at how the money is being spent.

  • moonman American Fork, UT
    Feb. 14, 2017 7:23 p.m.

    Food should not be taxed.

  • stevo123 slc, ut
    Feb. 14, 2017 6:57 p.m.

    Restoring the full sales tax on food is a horrible idea. What is Neiderhauser's motive?