cmsense:Unlike all the progressives out there, it does not bother me
one bit that a multi-millionaire or billionaire across town is paying the same
flat tax rate as I am paying. I don't whine that he/she is not paying their
fair share. It also doesn't bother me that someone who makes much less than
me is also paying the same rate.Beautiful thing about percentages.
They are pretty fair across the board. If you make more, you pay more. If you
make less, you pay less. But no matter what, you pay something. When you go to
vote on a tax increase or a tax reduction, you have skin in the game.I also see you have a lot of faith that a tax increase will be well spent and
our teachers will get a nice raise. Where does that come from? In my experience,
the government is never quite so good at distributing tax dollars where it will
do the most good.
JoeCapitalist."..or better yet, have it only apply to income above
$10M."No I think 100K is enough with the low wages in Utah.
I'd vote for it at that level and it would still apply to me at that level.
I realize people whom it doesn't apply to would be more inclined to vote
for it, and that is the point....it would actually pass.The
millionaires would still be paying less than they did before Huntsman's tax
break for the weatlthy and there would be still a noticable bump in teacher pay.
I. Would like a return for my money. When I looked at where America rates in the
world, it's something like 30 from the top, less than 10 was below us. Get
rid of the gov. Involvement you would raise the standards. Government likes to
break windows to make jobs, how can any one accomplish anything when they are
always fixing windows.
cmsense: "Have the increase tax rate apply only to income above 100K so it
is not so regressive."...or better yet, have it only apply to
income above $10M. Then it will be sure to pass, because only a few will vote
against it. Right??Everyone needs to vote on taxes and everyone
needs to pay for the things they vote for. You can't have Peter vote for
what Paul should pay.Most people would be much more willing to pay
more taxes if they felt that the taxes they already pay are being well spent.
Unfortunately, we all know that huge portions of our taxes are wasted and
abused.Ask how many people are willing to have their taxes raised so
a bunch of school administrators can get plush offices and new sports cars and
I'll bet the number of supporters goes way down. It's all how you ask
the question. Right?
To "Orem Parent" actually we don't want to put more funds into
education. Right now the state spends nearly as much as private schools do, but
don't get the same results. If you look at the total funding that goes for
each child, this includes the per child budgeted amount plus building costs, you
find that the public schools are nearly as well funded as private schools.If you ask any teacher what they would do with $180,000 for every 30
students to educate them, it is very different than what you actually see in the
schools.To "mightymite" ok, we will consider your proposal
if you will consider lower the amount of Social Security that you will receive.
Your ilk forgets that it is our children who will be paying for your Social
Tax hike? No! Better management-yes. Citizens pay too much as it is.
Public Education is Public Day Care. Sitting in a chair for 6 hours a day for
180 days a year is not "an education." BYU-Idaho's
Pathway Higher Education on line University serves 37,000 for I guess $100
million or less.U of U pathway to Higher Education served 25,000 for
over $2 Billion.The 180 day school year, brick and mortar buildings
are obsolete. Putting more money into a dying education model is dumb.
It's not how you ask the question, what are you talking about. So deceit is
the new plan. You do noting but ask, and ask, and demand, more and more,
gimme, gimme, never ending scream for higher and more taxes. Liberals never met
a tax increase they didn't love. How about reducing your expenses, why do
we have to feed breakfast and lunch to all of these students, where is the shame
of the parents. Why do we have to bus everyone for free. Get your hands out of
my pockets! No to all new tax increases.
No, do not soak the so called rich. Between the Utah and federal personal and
per child exemptions, the "poor" have a far higher percentage of their
income exempt from income taxes than do those who earn more. The flat tax on
income above the personal exemption requires that more people have skin the game
than if large segments of the population could selfishly vote to raise taxes on
their neighbors, knowing that vote wouldn't personally cost them
anything.To vote to tax oneself for needful public services is
noble. To impose taxes only on others is selfish and arrogant.To
sell a tax increaee as very small by claiming it is 7/8ths of a percent rather
than being honest about a 17% increase to current tax rates is the same way
payday lenders sell their products talking about weekly interest rates rather
than APR.The bill to require truth in labeling on tax initiatives is
very good. What a shame it is needed because of deceitful tactics from special
Higher taxes is not the answer. Remove or reduce the child tax credit. Large
families are a drain on the system in Utah. It is only fair that families pay
their fair share for their children.
Our legislators still aren't listening. We want to fund our schools
better. We are willing to pay for it. We shouldn't need an initiative to
get you to do what we want you to do. That is why we elect you. Please do what
Just a suggestion to get it passedHave the increase tax rate apply
only to income above 100K so it is not so regressive.Yes we used to
have a tax rate of 7%, but wilth all the allowed deductions that were taken away
with the reform, most of us pay the same rate as we did before the "tax
cut" for the wealthy. If you are not adding back any deductions, at least
make it fair this way.Also, we should make K-12 funding equal on a
national level to the amount we fund Higher Ed. We have all these kids....why
fund Higher Ed. so generously compared to K-12. Lets at least even out our