Jay Evensen: Tax hike for schools? It's all in how you ask the question

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  • JoeCapitalist2 Orem, UT
    Feb. 14, 2017 9:47 p.m.

    cmsense:

    Unlike all the progressives out there, it does not bother me one bit that a multi-millionaire or billionaire across town is paying the same flat tax rate as I am paying. I don't whine that he/she is not paying their fair share. It also doesn't bother me that someone who makes much less than me is also paying the same rate.

    Beautiful thing about percentages. They are pretty fair across the board. If you make more, you pay more. If you make less, you pay less. But no matter what, you pay something. When you go to vote on a tax increase or a tax reduction, you have skin in the game.

    I also see you have a lot of faith that a tax increase will be well spent and our teachers will get a nice raise. Where does that come from? In my experience, the government is never quite so good at distributing tax dollars where it will do the most good.

  • cmsense Kaysville, UT
    Feb. 14, 2017 6:41 p.m.

    JoeCapitalist
    ."..or better yet, have it only apply to income above $10M."

    No I think 100K is enough with the low wages in Utah. I'd vote for it at that level and it would still apply to me at that level. I realize people whom it doesn't apply to would be more inclined to vote for it, and that is the point....it would actually pass.

    The millionaires would still be paying less than they did before Huntsman's tax break for the weatlthy and there would be still a noticable bump in teacher pay.

  • george of the jungle goshen, UT
    Feb. 14, 2017 5:16 p.m.

    I. Would like a return for my money. When I looked at where America rates in the world, it's something like 30 from the top, less than 10 was below us. Get rid of the gov. Involvement you would raise the standards. Government likes to break windows to make jobs, how can any one accomplish anything when they are always fixing windows.

  • JoeCapitalist2 Orem, UT
    Feb. 14, 2017 12:47 p.m.

    cmsense: "Have the increase tax rate apply only to income above 100K so it is not so regressive."

    ...or better yet, have it only apply to income above $10M. Then it will be sure to pass, because only a few will vote against it. Right??

    Everyone needs to vote on taxes and everyone needs to pay for the things they vote for. You can't have Peter vote for what Paul should pay.

    Most people would be much more willing to pay more taxes if they felt that the taxes they already pay are being well spent. Unfortunately, we all know that huge portions of our taxes are wasted and abused.

    Ask how many people are willing to have their taxes raised so a bunch of school administrators can get plush offices and new sports cars and I'll bet the number of supporters goes way down. It's all how you ask the question. Right?

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Feb. 14, 2017 12:10 p.m.

    To "Orem Parent" actually we don't want to put more funds into education. Right now the state spends nearly as much as private schools do, but don't get the same results. If you look at the total funding that goes for each child, this includes the per child budgeted amount plus building costs, you find that the public schools are nearly as well funded as private schools.

    If you ask any teacher what they would do with $180,000 for every 30 students to educate them, it is very different than what you actually see in the schools.

    To "mightymite" ok, we will consider your proposal if you will consider lower the amount of Social Security that you will receive. Your ilk forgets that it is our children who will be paying for your Social Security later.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    Feb. 14, 2017 8:44 a.m.

    Tax hike? No! Better management-yes. Citizens pay too much as it is.

  • Red Smith American Fork, UT
    Feb. 14, 2017 7:10 a.m.

    Public Education is Public Day Care. Sitting in a chair for 6 hours a day for 180 days a year is not "an education."

    BYU-Idaho's Pathway Higher Education on line University serves 37,000 for I guess $100 million or less.

    U of U pathway to Higher Education served 25,000 for over $2 Billion.

    The 180 day school year, brick and mortar buildings are obsolete. Putting more money into a dying education model is dumb.

  • Rick for Truth Provo, UT
    Feb. 13, 2017 10:11 p.m.

    It's not how you ask the question, what are you talking about. So deceit is the new plan. You do noting but ask, and ask, and demand, more and more, gimme, gimme, never ending scream for higher and more taxes. Liberals never met a tax increase they didn't love. How about reducing your expenses, why do we have to feed breakfast and lunch to all of these students, where is the shame of the parents. Why do we have to bus everyone for free. Get your hands out of my pockets! No to all new tax increases.

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    Feb. 13, 2017 8:34 p.m.

    No, do not soak the so called rich. Between the Utah and federal personal and per child exemptions, the "poor" have a far higher percentage of their income exempt from income taxes than do those who earn more. The flat tax on income above the personal exemption requires that more people have skin the game than if large segments of the population could selfishly vote to raise taxes on their neighbors, knowing that vote wouldn't personally cost them anything.

    To vote to tax oneself for needful public services is noble. To impose taxes only on others is selfish and arrogant.

    To sell a tax increaee as very small by claiming it is 7/8ths of a percent rather than being honest about a 17% increase to current tax rates is the same way payday lenders sell their products talking about weekly interest rates rather than APR.

    The bill to require truth in labeling on tax initiatives is very good. What a shame it is needed because of deceitful tactics from special interests.

  • mightymite , 00
    Feb. 13, 2017 7:49 p.m.

    Higher taxes is not the answer. Remove or reduce the child tax credit. Large families are a drain on the system in Utah. It is only fair that families pay their fair share for their children.

  • Orem Parent Orem, UT
    Feb. 13, 2017 7:06 p.m.

    Our legislators still aren't listening. We want to fund our schools better. We are willing to pay for it. We shouldn't need an initiative to get you to do what we want you to do. That is why we elect you. Please do what we ask.

  • cmsense Kaysville, UT
    Feb. 13, 2017 6:48 p.m.

    Just a suggestion to get it passed

    Have the increase tax rate apply only to income above 100K so it is not so regressive.

    Yes we used to have a tax rate of 7%, but wilth all the allowed deductions that were taken away with the reform, most of us pay the same rate as we did before the "tax cut" for the wealthy. If you are not adding back any deductions, at least make it fair this way.

    Also, we should make K-12 funding equal on a national level to the amount we fund Higher Ed. We have all these kids....why fund Higher Ed. so generously compared to K-12. Lets at least even out our funding priorities.