Nowadays, parity in college basketball is at an all-time high. There are so many
good basketball players, not only in this country, but around the world. And,
many of them are playing at universities all over in our big nation. Welcome to the new big leagues, college basketball.
@SpokieI will agree with the half that your legacy didn't start
until 12 years ago, but ours is on going. And who are you to decide enough is
enough. "It's not over until we say it's over. Was it
over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?" - Bluto
Jello,OK let's come to an agreement; our legacy started about
12 years ago; yours died about 12 years ago. Sound good? We are beating a dead
horse. Enough is enough; have a good evening; I'm done with this topic.
Spokane Ute - Spokane, WAFeb. 16, 2017 9:39 a.m."You seem
to be getting all bent out of shape because someone has a differing opinion.
Take a deep breath Guy; just a spirited debate among friends.Let's look at the "Legacy"; shall we?Since 2008;
........"You lose a lot of credibility in the argument of legacy
when you start it out with "Since 2008..."
Sorry Bluto if the truth and facts hurt. I'm certainly not on
"every" BYU article; yet I do state my opinion from time to time. This
is pretty funny coming from someone who trolls Utah article and bags on them at
every opportunity; and someone who seldom if ever backs up their position with
stats or facts. I noticed you didn't counter a single thing I said with any
facts? Just a broad 100 year legacy statement; what ever that means? I'm
far from insecure; very happy with the direction of Utah and very truthful about
the direction of BYU. Sorry you feel insecure; but not much I can do about that.
Hopefully we are still friends; have good day at work; and don't take this
forum to seriously; which you appear to do. Peace!
@SpookieUteToo funny...I'm not the Ute fan on every
B.Y.U. article seeking relevance....That be "U".Now,
"objectively" compare Utah's one good decade of football in 100+
years, to B.Y.U.'s stellar accomplishments in the Modern Era of College
Football.Your longing for B.Y.U. Football to wither away, is a
fools errand.You've substantiated my opinions with bells and
whistles.Off to work now...we'll see your insecurities posted
on the next BYU article.
Bluto,You seem to be getting all bent out of shape because someone
has a differing opinion. Take a deep breath Guy; just a spirited debate among
friends.Let's look at the "Legacy"; shall we?Since 2008; Ranked in the final BCS poll: onceBowl Record: 5-4,
1-3 vs P5 SchoolsRecord vs Rival (Utah): 1-8; an OT winBCS Bowl
Appearances: 0The Legacy lives on! Too FunnyAlso, how
many "mid-major" programs went 2-0 in BCS games? Certainly not BYU. TCU,
Boise State? Very good programs; I would never say otherwise, but time has left
your Cougs behind. Hey, at least you have 1984, and a pledge pin. Very Cool!Jello,Did I ever say they didn't win the NC in 1984?
No; Period!Have always said they played the weakest schedule and bowl
opponent to win the NC? Yes; Period! That's what I have been saying all
along and no one can provide any facts or statistics to prove be wrong. Period!
@SpokieUteyou said:"Just another attempt to justify
1984". BYU need not justify anything. They were
"Unanimous National Champions" Not....Consensus Champions, Not
Split Title Champions....Unanimous!Your "subjectivity"
notwithstanding.'83 & '84 B.Y.U. won 24 straight
games.16 players off '84 team sign Pro contracts.Facts
you say:Ute fans still arguing BYU's National Championship in
football after 37 years, demonstrate unequivocally, that it's thee who is
upset and cannot get over the fact of BYU having been deemed College
Football's National Champion in 1984.Let us know when your
mid-major program on the hill can boast as much.Show us your Maxwell,
Walker & Heisman Trophies (crickets).As well as Outland, O'brien
and Sammy Baugh Trophies (plural).Let alone even one College Hall of
Famer. (BYU has 7)BYU..More All-Americans, NFL and Super Bowl
players than Utah.That my friend is how a Legacy program is built.
Over generations.You downplaying BYU's accomplishments is a
manifestation of acute jealousy on your part.
No spin needed. A win is a win. Scoreboard. Utah beat BYU last year. Period.
BYU was unanimous NC in 1984. Period.
Poyman,Not trashing it at all; just stating facts about it. As far
as Pitt being ranked #3; it was the first game of the season. They finished the
season 3-7-1; and that's the team you are hanging your hat on? A tough
Baylor team? They finished the season 5-6. Was it BYU's fault that there
schedule turned out to be weak? No. Was it there fault they got stuck in a
horrible bowl? No. Was it the easiest path ever to an NC? Of course. Also, I
don't know what the following year has to do with anything? Just another
attempt to justify 1984. I'm just stating the facts; which seems to really
upset BYU fans. BYU won the NC 1984 fair and square, but please don't act
like they beat quality opponents because they didn't. Spin it any way you
want, but that's the truth and those are the facts.
Clarification of my comments:College Basketball is a physical sport
played by immature young men still learning to control emotions. Hopefully they
are coached by mature men that can project values and direct the youthful
emotion.Rough play happens in every game, to include, purposefully
striking another player with part of your body, whether that be an elbow, knee,
foot, hip, or even fist. Is it right? no. Is it unusual? No.Emery
was wrong to swing at Taylor regardless of this phantom elbow I still don't
see. For breaking the rules he was given an in-game technical and then
suspended for a game. He also issued an apology. This is normal and customary.
Hill and Crisco made a decision that was not in the heat of the
moment and not customary anywhere in college sports. Sans the uber commenters
on this board, the majority of Utah State residents felt that it was an
over-reaction. Because of that over-reaction, the game was re-instated.If this series is canceled at some later date for scheduling and
competitive/strategic reasons, although it will be a sad ending, so be it. Just
please be honest with your fans as to why it is being done.
@ spokaneWhy is it that you and other ute fans want to trash
BYU's National Championship year where both the AP and the Coaches Poll
voted BYU as the #1 team in the country? Then y'all turn around and point
to these same polls to justify the strength of utah based on the fact that they
made the top 25 in the final poll of the year. Makes no sense.In
answer to your questions... BYU beat Pitt in Pitt when they were ranked #3 in
the country... They beat a very solid Baylor team from the SW Conference, and
they wiped the slate clean in the WAC (which included beating utah at RES and a
strong AF team).BYU didn't get to pick their bowl opponent but
as I understand it the Holiday Bowl tried to get the #2 team Oklahoma to play
them in the Holiday Bowl (BYU was under contract)... Oklahoma said no and opted
to play Washington in the Orange Bowl for more money. As we now
know, Washington soundly beat Oklahoma, and BYU beat Michigan. Michigan was a
young team and they finished 2nd in the nation the following year. Also in the
first month of the following year BYU shut out Washington 31-0 three games into
the season.Now you know the rest of the story.
timidredrobin"...If Utah plays BYU-Provo, the story to watch
won't be the histrionics of BYU-P's players...it will be whether Utah
can put up 125 points on that "defense"."*********************I'll take the "under" and give you
45. spokaneThe loss to UVU was a fluke but they showed
that they could play some good Basketball at the beginning of the year... They
had utah on the ropes with a lead with less than 2 minutes to go..
rumorisYour claim that Emery was "cheating" when he tried to
tag Taylor is baloney. You say you played Div 1 FB and never saw anything like
that? Please... 5 years earlier utah's Henderson smacked Emery's older
brother in the face but BYU did't whine and cancel a game. Kry's
action was ridiculous. (BTW, you need to watch the whole play... type Taylor
elbows Emery into your).If you played FB you had to see times when
players protected other players from their own team... It started with a shove
of a BYU player, then punches and and swinging helmets that were first
instigated by Memphis.These type of comments are what cause Coug
fans to lose some respect for some ute fans.
@desperateute"...The problem with you Y fans is that you STILL
use the LaVell era to show you're relevant today, and that's just not
the case. Losing 11 out of 14 to the Utes CURRENTLY doesn't help plead your
case. BYU is beneath us in terms of rankings, P5 affiliation, schedule....you
name it. Case in point, you had a matching record this year in football....yet
Utah was ranked in the Top 25 in CFP and AP. Where was BYU? Crickets...."**************************Not so long ago... It takes in the last
44 games played... I'm not even retirement age and I watched pretty much
all of those games... 84' is only 30 years ago... perhaps if you're in
your teens it seems like a long time ago.BYU beneath you today?...
Yea, lol, you've won 6 big wow. It's interesting that you hang your
hat on the end of season subjective rankings but don't want to pay any
attention to the fact that BYU finished higher than the utes in the computerized
ranking system from Sagarin. BYU 36 utah 37.It's also
interesting that you want to talk about the last 14 games in FB but dismiss the
last 15 games in BB (BYU 11- utah 4). Desperate is a good name.
Killarney, Pacute, Rockwell...Long live Lavell! Long live Lavell!
As long as we have him, we'll be great!
When they said that this cougar roster was destined for multiple final four
runs, I wish they would have been a little more specific. I wouldn't be so
disappointed now if I had know then that they meant NIT final fours.
PACute, Utenoymous, or which ever name you are using these days,List
the top 20 teams you beat in 1984?List the other programs who have won the
NC without beating a single top 20 team?List the other programs that beat
a team that finished .500 to win the NC?CricketsThe odd
thing about this guy is that he claims to be a big time BYU fan, yet uses the
word "Ute" in all his screen names? Now that's quite an inferiority
DeepBlue - Anaheim, CAFeb. 15, 2017 11:30 a.m.Spokane Utere: Rockwell, when is the last time any of these events occurred?1 National Championship1 Heisman Trophy winner6 National
Hall of Fame Players17 AP Top 25 Finishes"That" they
occurred is far more important than "when" they occurred.----------That's a matter of opinion. That would be like me
bragging about Utah's NCAA tournament championship in 1944. Personally; I
prefer events that I can actually remember and the here and now; but by all
mean's, keep that time machine gassed up. Especially considering that the
distant past is all you've got. 50 years from now BYU fans will be banging
on their chest about 1984. You know, 1984 when we beat absolutely nobody and won
the NC. What about the bowl game? We barely beat a 6-6 Michigan team; the worst
Michigan team Bo Schembelcher ever coached. Man has the mighty BYU fan base been
Spokane UteQuick to the wannabe time machine and let us know when
Utah will achieve its1st National Championship1st Heisman
Trophy winner1st National Hall of Fame PlayerDouble-digit AP Top 25
FinishesIt's interesting that Utah fans whine about the age of
BYU's achievements, while completely ignoring the fact that Utah has NEVER
achieved any of them.--------------------------------btw, when does the statute of relevancy limitations run out on Utah's
Final Four appearances?Most of Utah's current players
weren't even born the last time the Utes reached the Final Four.
Spokane UteSilly Utes, whining about BYU's 1984 Consensus
National Championship, when the Utes still brag about that dusty old 1944 banner
from the 2nd best tournament of the day hanging in the rafters of the Huntsman
DesperadoUteI'm talking about lifetime achievements, the likes
of which, Utah has NEVER achieved.
Spokane Utere: Rockwell, when is the last time any of these events
occurred?1 National Championship1 Heisman Trophy winner6
National Hall of Fame Players17 AP Top 25 Finishes"That" they occurred is far more important than "when" they
occurred.It took Utah more than 100 seasons to be ranked in the
Final AP Top 25,1892 to 1994, and Utah still hasn't won a national
championship, Heisman trophy, or had a single player inducted into the National
Hall of Fame.BYU has only played 92 seasons and has already achieved
all of the above.As far as recent achievements,BYU had a
longer AP Top 25 streak (FOUR) and more 11+ win, Top 15 finishes (THREE) from
2006 to 2009, than Utah has had in their entire history.
ekuteDoesn't matter whether the dysfunctional Big 12 was
impressed or not, BYU's overall record is still far more impressive on a
national scale than that wannabe program on the hill.Chewbacca /
DesperadoUteIt's hilarious the non sequitur fallacies Utah fans
are forced to resort to to desperately try to disprove that BYU dominates U on a
national scale.BYU has already reached the pinnacle of major college
football team and individual achievement, something our jealous friends on the
hill can only dream of.BYU's "dusty" trophies proudly
displayed in BYU's Legacy Hall of Fame are the closest the Utes will ever
get to a National Championship or Heisman Trophy.
1 National Championship1 Heisman Trophy winner6 National Hall of
Fame Players17 AP Top 25 Finishes------Rockwell, when is the
last time any of these events occurred?Quick, to the time machine.
Rockwell - All those dusty WAC era trophies and a buck will get you
a cup of beverage at 7-11, but they haven't gotten you into a BCS game, or
a power conference. We're in the 21st century now my friend.
Poyman-1972? Many of the PARENTS of byu's football team
weren't born in 1972! 59–34–4 all time. That, and
6 in a row is all you need to know!
Rockwell,Was the Big 12 impressed?
Desperate Ute"Utah leads BYU 59-34-4. From 1946 until 1964 the
Utes went 18-2 over BYU."With a huge 30-year head start and then
BYU starting over again from scratch after WWII, Utah did dominate the leather
helmet era.Unfortunately for U, the did absolutely nothing on a
national scale during all of those years of head-to-head domination from 1922 to
1964.Since 1965, when BYU won their first conference title, the
Cougars have dominated U 29-22, but unlike Utah's leather helmet era of
domination, BYU actually accomplished something on a national scale:1 National Championship1 Heisman Trophy winner6 National Hall of
Fame Players17 AP Top 25 Finishes#34 All Time AP Top 100Sadly for U, the Utes are only #63 on that list and have never even come
close to winning a national championship or a Heisman Trophy.
StrikerAlso, don't put words in my mouth; I never said there
isn't violence in sports, now did I? I do take exception to the angle that
punching someone in the face, when they are not looking, while playing
basketball, is very rare. Certainly not common place. I would love for you to
present data showing otherwise, but there isn't any. Just a very biased
opinion support a sucker punch for a player of a team one supports.
StrikerYou may want to read the comment I was countering before
popping off. That's OK though, let's expand this conversation to NBA
and College Ball; I don't think the level goes much higher than that. Of
course I already gave you a college example which you swept under the rug. So
let's talk NBA. I watch the Jazz quite frequently. When was the last time a
player got ejected, for a punch, in a Jazz game? Again, you and Jello guy make
it sounds like punches are thrown each and every game; yet you have nothing,
absolutely nothing, to back up such a Bogus claim. It rarely happens; to come on
here and state that it happens all the time only flushes your credibility right
down the drain. Just because a player from your team through a sucker punch
doesn't make it right, not does it mean it happens all the time. It rarely
happens; don't kid your self. I can't wait to hear some hard evidence
to back up your claim, but none exists.
Thank you to all the Yoot fans for caring so much about the Y and your continued
posting on BYU articles!
@desperateute"...we've still beaten your team the past 6 in
a row.....so where does that place your team now that you've brought
football into it? It must be great playing a non-majority P5 schedule and an
absolute cupcake schedule in mid-October to November end."*****************Those 6 wins have made it so that you are now at 18-26
from the time that Edwards began coaching at BYU... If you win 12 of the next 14
games against BYU you will equal the record that BYU had against u from 1972
through 1992. Possible? Don't think so.BYU's schedule?
This year they played 6 P5 programs... beat 3 and lost to the other 3 by a
combined total of 7 points. They also played top level G5 programs with great
records against top P5 teams... Take Boise State, the utes are 0-4 against them
since they became an FBS school over 20 years ago... Toledo beat Arkansas in
2015. Meanwhile the utes struggle against AZ, lose fairly regularly to WSU, Cali
and Colorado (although Colorado was better this year) and then pound their
chests about how tough they are.BYU's November is equal to
utah's September and the Cougs September is equivalent to the utes
ekuteYou forgot USF, ooops, and when was the
last time U won a game at USD, SCU, Pepperdine, Portland, Saint Mary's, or
desperate ute"Coach K inherited a mess....hence the 6 wins his
first season, but with continued improvement since."Coach 80k
inherited a team that finished 13-18 in 2011 and ran every player from that team
out of town to create his own 6-25 mess in 2012.Coach Rose inherited
a team that finished 9-21 in 2005 and coached basically the same team to a 20-9
record and 2nd place finish in the MWC in 2006.btw, please explain
how getting blown out in the 2nd round of the NCAA tournament in 2016 is an
"improvement" over making it to the Sweet Sixteen in 2015, or how an NIT
bound 17-8 team in 2017 is an "improvement" over last season's 27-9
team.It took kry THREE seasons to match what Rose did in his first
seasonRose's 1st year: 20-9, NIT 1st round losskry's
3rd year: 21-12, NIT 1st round lossRose's 6th year: 32-5, Sweet
Sixteen, consensus Nat'l POY, came within a missed free throw in regulation
of making the Elite Eight after losing his starting center just before
post-season play began.kry's 6th year: 27-9, blown out in the
2nd round by an 11th seed despite having one of the best centers in the country
byu'll be lucky to make The NIT, just as we'll be fortunate to reach
The Dance.The U > byu, hands-down....Just ask
Listen, I'm a BYU fan and I'm not real happy with the cheap shot play
of the Cougars. Returned missionaries should know better and should be team
leaders.That being said, the Utes have problems as well. Not so much on
the field as off the field. Allot of it goes unpunished, unless you count
running laps ect, There are two sets of rules in this state. One set for the
cougars and another for everyone else. I don't have a problem with that.
If you sign on to play at BYU, then play by their rules. If you want a more
relaxed environment both with alcohol and academics then go play elsewhere. It
really is just that simple.
Striker,That's not the message that holmoe should send to Utah or any
other opponent on byu's schedule, in any sport.
Deseretnews this is a reply to a comment directed at me, his reply is off
topic as well, either post mine, or delete his. You are creating a double
standard.Christy BWhether or not the punch causes damage, or
has force behind it is inconsequential to what it was. Try again please.Taylor's foot to Haw's groin is not dirty play, you tell me
how much control you have over your body when you are falling backwards, that
was an accident, but I'll apologize to you for it.Not a single
Ute fan supports what Marshal did, what he did was wrong, and that is exactly
what every Y fan should be saying about Emery.Luca Durka, I
don't even remember it, but if he did shame on him. Which is what ever Y
fan should be saying to Emery.You see how a fan can be realistic
with his team. Where as you Boys in Blue have yet to actually come clean about
any of the foul play your players have committed at a very quick clip.Wanna give it a try?
"My 3 kids all played organized ball from 2nd - 11th grades; mostly AAU.
None ever got punched. You make it sound like it's common place. "Spikey, you are joking right? That or you are really reaching to prove a
point using young kids, only 3, to disprove violence in sports. Come on man.
When you play a sport, emotions run high because you want to win. It
doesn't matter what age. I've seen hurt feelings at every level of
sports, even games like Monopoly and people have flipped the game in anger. Please, don't try to justify one coaches crazy action to cancel a
game by comparing it to little kids. Everyone can get upset and have some rage.
It's a natural, human reaction and emotion at every age.
JelloDon't be disingenuous, you know exactly what I'm
talking about. By the way I also played football for 15 years, and guess what?
Nobody throws a block with a closed fist.I'm not talking about
the incidental body parts flying around, but I am talking about Langi on
national TV, balling his fist, cocking his arm, and shoving it into a Boise
State players groin.You know full well that isn't hard play,
nor is Emery doing the same from behind Taylor.Try again, yes BYU
was punished by the U, that's why the collective fandom of the Y has been
throwing a hissy fit for over a year about it.
@NevadCougYour comment posted posted on Feb. 13 at 5:45 p.m. called
my comments "revisionist history". Please explain how I, in any way,
wrote "revisionist history".@Julie Is GoodTell
me, Julie, how my rhetoric is "tired and full of half-truths".
Everything I said in my post concerning BYU's ongoing poor sportsmanship
was a documented fact. Our players are not embarrassed at all by our
coach's behavior, as you falsely claim. As I stated earlier, we are proud
of him for taking a stance against teams and fans who show poor sportsmanship.
Your post only further solidified this (justifying the poor behavior). If the shoe fits, wear it.
@SoonerUte:"Why would a 3 seed play an away game at the 5 seed's
home court?"Ummmm I thought the NIT was several weeks away but you
seem to have all the seeding ready to go--no possibility of changes between now
and then?Should I go ahead and buy the BYU - Boise State tickets today?
desperate ute"So you're just counting the high school gym
part and not counting the MC where you lost to the Utes last time we played
there?"Even Utah fans are smart enough not to claim that winning
in the Marriott Center is easy.It's hilarious, however, how you
highlighted Utah's ONE, and ONLY, win in the Marriott Center in more than a
decade (a 4-point nail biter), while completely ignoring your SEVEN losses
during the Dave Rose era.2015 Utah 65 BYU 61 -42013 BYU 61
Utah 58 +32011 BYU 72 Utah 59 +132010 BYU 82 Utah 69 +132009
BYU 63 Utah 50 +132008 BYU 67 Utah 59 +82007 BYU 85 Utah 62 +232006 BYU 72 Utah 60 +12
Jello is Good - , Feb. 14, 2017 1:33 p.m.@ Ramora"Explain how throwing a punch is rough play? Can you? Because even in the
rougher of sports (football) that is still illegal.You normally make
good points, but you are doubling down on what I would call stupid, not to
mention the name calling. Tsk tsk tsk, mommy would not be proud."--------------------I have played 15 years of organized football
and I can't remember a single game that I wasn't punched, elbowed,
tripped, held or even spit on.--------Why are you resorting to
making stuff up. I too played organized ball from 4th - 10th grade; along with
intermurals. Never got punched. My 3 kids all played organized ball from 2nd -
11th grades; mostly AAU. None ever got punched. You make it sound like it's
common place. Been watching the Utes for 40 years. Other than Buster Matheney
throwing a punch over 40 years ago; I don't recall any. When a punch is
thrown the play is reviewed and the player ejected; if indeed a punch was
thrown. It's very rare that this happens. It's kind of sad you have to
resort to making things up as opposed to being honest.
@ Ramora"Explain how throwing a punch is rough play? Can you?
Because even in the rougher of sports (football) that is still illegal.You normally make good points, but you are doubling down on what I would call
stupid, not to mention the name calling. Tsk tsk tsk, mommy would not be
proud."--------------------I have played 15 years of
organized football and I can't remember a single game that I wasn't
punched, elbowed, tripped, held or even spit on.I have played
basketball in rec league, middle school, and HS as well as another 20 years of
rec league and church ball. I have been pushed, elbowed, undercut, tripped, and
yes, even punched. All of these things are illegal. But they are reality and
are not the monumental offense that you any many fans like you are making them
out to be. Get over it or follow another sport because this one will only bring
you frustration and disappointment if you expect to see everyone follow the
rules.As to my mother, she is dead so I don't spend as much
time with her as I used to. You?
Rumoris"BYU had a history of illegal play, "BYU
basketball's "history" of illegal play is no different than
Utah's,or have U conveniently forgotten - Brandon
Taylor's groin kick of Tyler Haws- Marshall Henderson's cheap
shot punch of Jackson Emery- Luka Drca's tripping of Blake GriffinThe "slap" was so inconsequential that it didn't even leave
a mark, in fact, Taylor can clearly be seen yucking it up with his team mates
celebrating his academy award winning flop while the refs are still reviewing
the video.coach kry chose to make a big deal about it to avoid
getting his feelings hurt in a return visit to the Marriott Center.He knew that BYU fans would be upset with Taylor's baiting and flopping.
@ Rumor"BYU had a history of illegal play, so coach K punished
them for acting like children, and I'm glad he did it. You gotta learn to
play nice with others."Want some cheese with that whine,
Dorothy. Let's make sure we are clear. Nobody was punished.
Nobody changed their behavior. Nobody apologized. The only thing that happened
was that a great historic and competitive university, Utah, looked foolish in
the national media. And they are still playing the series.Tragic
JelloExplain how throwing a punch is rough play? Can you? Because
even in the rougher of sports (football) that is still illegal.You
normally make good points, but you are doubling down on what I would call
stupid, not to mention the name calling. Tsk tsk tsk, mommy would not be proud.
......and BYU fans stop trying to argue that BYU is better than Utah this year.
They aren't. And they weren't the last two years.The vast
majority of BYU fans did not think this year's team was a final four team,
but we did think they would make the tournament. We were wrong and BYU has
under-performed.Most Utah fans expected they were in a rebuilding
year, but Utah has played better than expected (and better than BYU).Neither team makes the NCAA's. Utah is in the NIT and will have home
games. BYU MAY get into the NIT, but will need 3 more wins. If they schedule
BYU to play Utah in the NIT, Utah will have the home game as they will be rated
higher. Utah wins the game.
Y less than UYa Taylor didn't throw an elbow, Deadspin got the
good angle on their article, you can go look at it right now.BYU had
a history of illegal play, so coach K punished them for acting like children,
and I'm glad he did it. You gotta learn to play nice with others.
@Rumoris "Sucker punching is not playing a physical game.
That's called cheating, and being a bad sport."Swinging an
arm, leg, fist, elbow at another player is illegal. But, Sally, it happens in
every gym in America almost every day. Emery was wrong, but the act was not
unusual or unexpected in a tight, physical game.And stop with the
"sucker punching" reference. Emery made no attempt to hide the punch or
sneak up on Taylor. He got tired of the physical play and took a swing at him.
It was wrong and he apologized. He received the normal punishment by the league
that is consistent with what the Pac, ACC, and SEC has done with similar or even
worse cases this year.I don't remember a single other school or
coach canceling a game or making as big a deal as Utah has done.Rumatoid, this is not nerf basketball with your little brother in the
basement. Strap it up or start following rhythmic gymnastics. No contact
RumorisIt was a little jab that didn't even leave a markand was preceded by Taylor's thrown elbow that missed entirely,unlike Taylor's groin kick the previous season that Utah fans have
conveniently forgotten all about.It's absolutely hysterical
that are delicate little friends on the hill decided to blow something so
trivial completely out of proportionall to protect a coach who made
up the player safety issue because he, himself, needed a "cooling off
period" because he didn't think he could control himself if he got his
feelings hurt in front of a boisterous crowd in the Marriott Center.That, in a nut shell, is what really happened, despite the frantic attempts by
the kids on the hill to rewrite history according to their own distorted view.
Spokane Ute" That's so awesome. Utah is 0-1 vs the WCC;
since they only played one game which was an upset."Not only are
U 0-1 vs the WCC this season (would have been 0-2 if you hadn't bailed on
the game in the MC), but you're 0-2 versus the WCC in post-season play
since joining the PAC 12.So much for the mighty weak PAC 12 champ
wannabes.Remind us the last time the Utes won a game in one of those
high school gyms of the WCC.By my count, you're winless this
century.For a fanbase that brags about their team being soooo much
better than the WCC,U talk the talkbut U fail miserably inwalking the walk
@ Port-a-JohnStop projecting what other BYU fans do (or what you
imagine they do) on me. I have never professed anything other than basketball
is tough. Deal with it. Whoever has the most points at the end of the game
wins and is the better team. Crisco played tough and coached tough and expects
his players to be tough. The disconnect is the rhetoric as to the reason for
the game cancelation.Emery swung at Taylor and missed. Stupid
decision, but not the big deal many Ute and BYU fans are making it. I am one
BYU fan that did not see a Taylor elbow. Your own player, Taylor, said in an
interview at NBA camp that it was not a big thing and he and his fellow players
had long since forgotten it and had no issues with Emery.As to when
I comment, do some research. I do comment on articles about Utah, but certainly
nowhere near all and usually not hammering Utah as a program, but some of its
obsessed fans. The only institutional problem I have ever had with Utah was the
reason given for canceling the game. Had Hill and Crisco simply given the real
reason for canceling the game, I could have lived with it. I'm not sure
many Utah residents would have.
JelloSucker punching is not playing a physical game. That's
called cheating, and being a bad sport.Try again my man.
BYU will not be in the NIT. They're just not good enough this year to get
past the first game in the WCC playoffs.Utah is a mediocre team that
would lose to BYU in the Marriott Center. BYU would not beat Utah in SLC.
Doesn't matter. They won't play each other this year. Period.Nobody in the PAC 12 will survive past round 3 in the NCAAs. Gonzaga will be
in the final 4.There you have it. Prove me wrong, Cougs and Utes.
COULD go to the NIT,. They will be in the NIT there is no chance they can make
it to the NCAA tourney
83UteA full analysis? Come on Man; that will never work in these
debates. Especially when the outcome is always the same. Little Boy Blue comes
@ talkinsportsOne thing for sure is that you are the king of spin.
That's so awesome. Utah is 0-1 vs the WCC; since they only played one game
which was an upset. Not afraid to talk about it in the least bit. I guess I
could spin like you and discuss how Utah's best player was out for most of
the game. they were only down by x points with x minutes to go, etc. Then again,
that's making excuses, spinning the outcome, and not giving my opponent
credit. Those are your angles. I give SF credit, they beat us.
Not that it matters much, but for the record:Stanford basketball
currently has a #137 BPI (I went with ESPN's system that they claim is the
most accurate reflection of where a program is.)Stanford is
currently tied for ninth in the standings of their conference. Don't know
how that can be an alternate fact.Sorry if I misplaced anybody in a
group of BYU haters. So many just responded to my post that had nothing to do
with BYU by commenting about BYU.And to repeat, my original post was
only a response to the second poster, ekute who brought the football angle to
the thread fairly early.
"Please, Sally, let it go. Your rhetoric is tired and full of half truths
and innuendos. Your players are embarrassed that their coach and fans don't
think they are tough enough to play a physical game and need to be protected.
Stop obsessing and why don't you do you and we'll do us."Jelly:Classic coog example of 'Do as I say, not as I
do."- You say Ute players are embarrassed? Great example of a
non-truth and innuendo. - Stop obsessing? That's rich coming from
someone who comments on nearly every Ute story.Bottom line? You ARE being
you, and we see the disconnect.
Spokane Ute"I wonder why BYU fans don't mention the common
opponent; UVU scores?"You the common opponent that shot lights
out from 3 to upset BYU?Upsets happen, especially when an opponent
launches 37 3's a hits 18.Let's not forget that the Utes
also trailed UVU 75-78 with less than 2 minutes left in the game before
squeaking out a win.I wonder why the high and mighty Utes don't
mention Utah's record against the WCC this season since Utah is soooo much
better than teams in the WCC.
@TalkinSports (9:23 am):"81Ute"Utah's worst
loss is to San Francisco at #108"a team that BYU beat
TWICE"I think your comment was for me (83Ute), not 81Ute since
the quote is mine. When I made that comment, I was not making a case for Utah
being better than BYU. It was to dispute an earlier comment that Utah has lost
to one or two "dreadful" teams. Do you think San Francisco is
"dreadful"? Remember, they are currently the fourth highest ranked team
in the WCC.But, if you want to compare the two programs, let's
look at all common opponents, awful losses, good wins, overall SOS, etc. Utah
is ranked far higher in Sagarin than BYU. Utah has better comparative scores in
games against USC, Colorado, and UVU while BYU does have the advantage in the
USF games as you mentioned. Simply waving the USF flag when trying to compare
the two programs is not a full analysis.
@Elkhorn (12:21 am):"83UteUtah also had a
pathetically weak non-conference schedule that failed to give the Utes any
resume building wins for the NCAA tournament."Why was that
statement addressed to me? Have I claimed Utah didn't have a weak
non-conference schedule? Have I claimed Utah deserves an invite to the dance?
My only point in my comments on this article is to refute the claim that Utah
has one or two "dreadful" losses this year.If you want to
make generic comments, feel free to do so. Just don't address them
specifically to me. Thank you.
USAlover "schedule a BYU-Utah game in the Marriott Center ASAP"Jimbo Low "If the NIT sets up a BYU - Utah matchup and it happens to be a
the Marriott Center"According to nycbuckets.com, which projects
NIT bids, the Cougars are a No. 5 seed, playing at No. 4 Boise State in the
first round. By the way, Utah is projected as a No. 3 seed in the same
region.Why would a 3 seed play an away game at the 5 seed's
I wonder why BYU fans don't mention the common opponent; UVU scores?Now that's curious. I guess when so called BYU fans discuss
sports; they only mention the games that meet their agenda. Selective stats and
facts; seen em a million times from Coug Fans. I also have come to realize they
never mention recent head to head meetings. Nope, connect he dots or carry the
debate using a team that did what your can't; simply beat Utah. Again,
81Ute"Utah's worst loss is to San Francisco at #108"a team that BYU beat TWICE!
Uteology"Unlike BYU football, Utah football beat #3 USC and was
a top 25 program"Don't kid yourself; USC was unranked and
in the midst of a 1-3 slump when U beat them on a last second TD.What
happened after that speaks for itself.Utah finished 4-4, losing to
California, Washington, Oregon and Colorado.USC finished 8-0, beating
every team that U lost to.The USC team that beat Penn St in the Rose Bowl,
would have destroyed you if U had played them in November.Unlike U,
BYU didn't lose to TWO 50+ teams in football - #58 California and #77
Oregon"Unlike BYU's "Final Four" team, Utah
basketball is rebuilding..."BYU starts THREE Freshmen and TWO
Sophomore, lost both Senior team captains to injury, and is by far the least
experienced team in the country.Utah starts ONE Freshmen, THREE
Juniors, and a Senior and has a far more experienced team than BYU.Yet, U couldn't handle the ONLY WCC team you played, a team that BYU beat
soundly, TWICE.Utah 86 USF 89BYU 85 USF 75BYU 68 USF 52
Striker - Omaha, NEFeb. 14, 2017 7:37 a.m.Wow, 25 comments
about BYU only possibly going to the NIT, and most of them about little red or
from little red. Let's hope for a Alabama, Illinois, or Valpoesque quality
opponent instead of the little red engine that couldn't.BYU will
certainly be in this tournament. Let's aim a little higher in the
opponent.----Couldn't what? Make the NCAA tournament or beat
the Couggies? I would say beating Utah is high enough aim; especially
considering you haven't done it in quite some time.
Jello salad-The truth hurts don't it. That's quite a
resume your teams have of poor sportsmanship in the last five years. I guess
that's what desperation to get back to the glory years has done. Coach K is a class act. And his success at the U drives cougars so mad that
they are willing to impugn his integrity to make themselves feel better. I really hope the Utes pull a rabbit out of their hat and get into the
big dance. But, if they don't, beating the cougars in the HC would be an
ok consolation prize.
Wow, 25 comments about BYU only possibly going to the NIT, and most of them
about little red or from little red. Let's hope for a Alabama, Illinois,
or Valpoesque quality opponent instead of the little red engine that
couldn't.BYU will certainly be in this tournament. Let's aim a
little higher in the opponent.
JayDee - West Jordan, UTFeb. 13, 2017 3:11 p.m.Just like football,
Utah fans have overrated their place in a conference that has quality at the
very top that they can't defeat.-------Unlikr BYU
football, Utah football beat #3 USC and was a top 25 program.Unlike
BYU's "Final Four" team, Utah basketball is rebuilding and
hasn't been been getting thumped by #300+ ranked teams like UVU, San
BYU has reached a plateau the past decade or so. Utah has done better. The
ceiling may be raised not in football, but perhaps not in basketball for BYU.
Expectations were high for BB, but a bid in the NIT is possible. Considering
the fan support perhaps BYU could do better.
@JayDee (7:03 pm):"@ 83ute, desperadoute , et.alYou
are all inserting BYU references that are nowhere in my post. Why?"I have made no reference to BYU in my previous posts on this article. So,
once again, your claim to the contrary is erroneous.
@JayDee (7:03 pm):Sorry to inform you but Utah doesn't have a
loss to a dreadful team this year. As I mentioned earlier, Stanford has a
Sagarin rating of #86 which, while not superb, is certainly not dreadful. It is
the 8th highest rating in the PAC 12, nowhere near the bottom. Utah's
worst loss is to San Francisco at #108, the fourth best ranking in the WCC.
Neither of those losses are to "dreadful" teams.So, your
claim at 3:11 pm yesterday is simply wrong.
LosLencas:CV Storm was correct. Just look at this very thread
alone. Alpine Coug seems pretty excited about it. Jimbo Low is already
fantasizing about being matched up with the Utes in that tournament as well.
USAlover is crossing his fingers over a U-Y matchup too! And if they Utes and
cougars DO ultimately meet in the NIT, Sanefan eagerly awaits to tune in. And
like I’d said, that’s just THIS thread alone.The truth
is, cougar fans have been wishfully anticipating the next game for over a year
now, and now that the NIT would be their best shot at playing this game,
it’s obvious they ARE giddy about a potential NIT invitation.
@GoRed "Coach K never had a problem playing a basketball game
against your Cougars---as long as they can play with decent sportsmanship. But,
following the trend set by BYU football players at the infamous Miami Brawl
Bowl, as well as other incidents like the cheap shot at the Boise State player
and Langi's shot at the defenseless USU player, the rest of us are
wondering what has got into the BYU athletic program. Coach K was right in
getting out of scheduling the Utah-BYU game until its athletic department shows
some guts and condemns this recurring behavior."--------------------Please, Sally, let it go. Your rhetoric is
tired and full of half truths and innuendos. Your players are embarrassed that
their coach and fans don't think they are tough enough to play a physical
game and need to be protected. Stop obsessing and why don't you do you and
we'll do us.Finally, what does Duke have to do with Crisco and
@CutieUte"beating byu would bring little if any
consolation."How about losing. Any consolation there? At least
if they did play, Utah would have flipped the table and turned this years game
into a home game for them. That definitely would be worth $80,000.
83UteUtah also had a pathetically weak non-conference schedule that
failed to give the Utes any resume building wins for the NCAA tournament.
COUGARSTRONGI think you're grossly under-estimating the
potential of this very young BYU team that is dominated by Freshmen and
Sophomores.For example, Jimmer only averaged 7 ppg as a Freshman.Haws(14.4), Childs (9.3), and Bryant(9.8) are all averaging more than
that as Freshmen.Not that I expect any of them to become another
Jimmer, but they all have the potential to be better in the next three seasons.
Ekute1What exactly does football have to do with basketball?Utah might have a chance of beating Kentucky or Kansas in football, but
both teams would destroy U in basketball.It may be painful for U to
admit, but it's far more likely that both BYU and Utah end up in NIT, than
for either team to be invited to the big dance.
I think we were spoiled with Jimmer and should probably come to terms with the
reality of the NIT being our post season destination for the next several years.
That being said, it would be fun to win it a few times in the next several
years. We are closer to the middle of the pack than we are to the top of this
really mediocre league. Gonzaga will continue to dominate and St Marry's
will be consistent.
"The Utes lost to Stanford (BPI of 138 and 9th place in PAC 12 in
basketball.) and that alone could keep them from NCAAs. That's about the
equivalent of the Cal loss in football , but not as bad as an Oregon football
loss."Go ahead & lay out for us where UVU/USD/Pepperdine all
rank.Then follow this up w/the rankings of byu's annual slate
of November patsies in football....While you're at it, list which good P5
schools byu beat & the cumulative overall record of the P5 schools they did
beat.And Rosen or no Rosen, UCLA was horrid this last year & byu
lost to them at home, a team we beat on the road....They also needed a last
second FG to beat a terrible U of A, a team we beat by double-digits.Oh, & most importantly, they lost to us for the 6th consecutive game &
the 11th time in the last 14 meetings....That's called full ownership of
one's rival, period.This is on top of 3 straight in basketball,
which would've easily been 4 straight this season against byu's zero D
system, dr's very own.We straight own byu in the 2 major
Well, ek, Utah will probably not get an NCAA bid and your team will have to play
whomever they are matched up against in the NIT's. And guess what, beating
Utah or any one else, including winning the NIT's is "little, if any
consolation" for BYU fans as well. With that said, If Utah and BYU were
matched up; you, I and every other fan will be tuned in.
GoredLOL!Larry's player safety issue was nothing
more than a whiny excuse to avoid getting his feelings hurt in the Marriott
If they are lucky they will make the NIT. One more choke game and it will an
@ 83ute, desperadoute , et.alA previous poster made the ute football
comparison, mine was just a follow up.You are all inserting BYU
references that are nowhere in my post. Why?The Utes lost to
Stanford (BPI of 138 and 9th place in PAC 12 in basketball.) and that alone
could keep them from NCAAs. That's about the equivalent of the Cal loss in
football , but not as bad as an Oregon football loss.Rebuttals...
If Utah plays BYU-Provo, the story to watch won't be the histrionics of
BYU-P's players...it will be whether Utah can put up 125 points on that
Revisionist history like that spewed by GoRed is the reason I have a hard time
respecting Utah "fans".
At this point I'm just happy to see the Y make some progress. NCAA is a
long shot, NIT is a long ways off. The only thing that really matters is the
progress that the Y makes from now until the end of the year. I bet its the same
for the U. Both teams wanted to make the NCAA in their first year with a pretty,
but that isn't going to happen. Fans need to be patient and enjoy watching
these teams grow. Both will most likely make the tourney next year.
It's unfortunate but true, this year BYU is not at the level they need to
be to be in the dance. In fact, they're lucky to get into the NIT. and
that comes from a staunch Cougar fan. But I am excited about them in two years,
maybe even next year.
If the NIT has any sense about them, they would schedule a BYU-Utah game in the
Marriott Center ASAP.I'd love to see it. And I'm sure the
Ute fans would too.
@JayDee (3:11 pm):"Utah fans have overrated their place in a
conference that has quality at the very top that they can't defeat, an
average middle tier where they find themselves, and some dreadful teams at the
bottom, one or two of which they happen to lose to after a good start."I agree that Utah hasn't been able to beat the top of the league.
But their conference losses are to the top four (#14, 15, 20, and 41) and a
middle of the road #86. Utah has beaten the bottom of the league (110, 124
(x2), 182 (x2), and 240). Utah has no losses to "dreadful" teams this
year, unless you consider the WCC #4 team, San Francisco, dreadful which comes
in at #108.
@Jimbo LowCoach K never had a problem playing a basketball game
against your Cougars---as long as they can play with decent sportsmanship. But,
following the trend set by BYU football players at the infamous Miami Brawl
Bowl, as well as other incidents like the cheap shot at the Boise State player
and Langi's shot at the defenseless USU player, the rest of us are
wondering what has got into the BYU athletic program. Coach K was right in
getting out of scheduling the Utah-BYU game until its athletic department shows
some guts and condemns this recurring behavior.
Just like football, Utah fans have overrated their place in a conference that
has quality at the very top that they can't defeat, an average middle tier
where they find themselves, and some dreadful teams at the bottom, one or two of
which they happen to lose to after a good start that shuts down dreams of
further postseason glory.
CV StormSorry but your comment confuses me a little. I haven't
talked to a single BYU fan that is pleased with how this season has turned out,
nor are they at all happy with making the NIT. Like you said though, best of
luck to both teams in the NIT. I would love to see them meet up in the
Too bad for us church ball will be over by then, no b-ball in April.
Interesting dynamics regarding the expectations of both teams. The Cougs fans
seem to be ecstatic that they are a 4th seed in a NIT regional, while the Utes
are disappointed with the 3rd seed in the same regional in the same tournament.
As an outside observer it is interesting how the expectations of both fan bases
have evolved since the Utes joined the PAC 12 and the Cougars went Independent.
Best wishes to both team in the tournament, it would be wonderful to see them
get matched up in a game so one of the teams could prove their superiority on
the court, rather than their fan bases hashing it out with worthless rhetoric on
If the NIT sets up a BYU - Utah matchup and it happens to be a the Marriott
Center...will Larry buy his way out of the "rough" matchup again? Before
he runs out of money, maybe he should consider playing the game. Who knows if
the chips fall right the Utes might even win! If not the game--probably the
Golden Globe afterward.
There is still much work to do even for an NIT bid. I think it's a little
early to be looking so far ahead.
Just like football...beating byu would bring little if any consolation.
Intrigued with a possible match-up with Utah if BYU is invited to the NIT.
Let it happen!