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  • morpunkt Glendora, CA
    Feb. 16, 2017 11:43 p.m.

    Nowadays, parity in college basketball is at an all-time high. There are so many good basketball players, not only in this country, but around the world. And, many of them are playing at universities all over in our big nation.
    Welcome to the new big leagues, college basketball.

  • Jello is Good ,
    Feb. 16, 2017 4:11 p.m.

    @Spokie

    I will agree with the half that your legacy didn't start until 12 years ago, but ours is on going. And who are you to decide enough is enough.

    "It's not over until we say it's over. Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?" - Bluto

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Feb. 16, 2017 1:00 p.m.

    Jello,

    OK let's come to an agreement; our legacy started about 12 years ago; yours died about 12 years ago. Sound good? We are beating a dead horse. Enough is enough; have a good evening; I'm done with this topic.

  • Jello is Good ,
    Feb. 16, 2017 12:18 p.m.

    Spokane Ute - Spokane, WA
    Feb. 16, 2017 9:39 a.m.

    "You seem to be getting all bent out of shape because someone has a differing opinion. Take a deep breath Guy; just a spirited debate among friends.

    Let's look at the "Legacy"; shall we?

    Since 2008; ........"

    You lose a lot of credibility in the argument of legacy when you start it out with "Since 2008..."

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Feb. 16, 2017 10:57 a.m.

    Sorry Bluto if the truth and facts hurt. I'm certainly not on "every" BYU article; yet I do state my opinion from time to time. This is pretty funny coming from someone who trolls Utah article and bags on them at every opportunity; and someone who seldom if ever backs up their position with stats or facts. I noticed you didn't counter a single thing I said with any facts? Just a broad 100 year legacy statement; what ever that means? I'm far from insecure; very happy with the direction of Utah and very truthful about the direction of BYU. Sorry you feel insecure; but not much I can do about that. Hopefully we are still friends; have good day at work; and don't take this forum to seriously; which you appear to do. Peace!

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 10:24 a.m.

    @SpookieUte

    Too funny...
    I'm not the Ute fan on every B.Y.U. article seeking relevance....That be "U".

    Now, "objectively" compare Utah's one good decade of football in 100+ years, to B.Y.U.'s stellar accomplishments in the Modern Era of College Football.

    Your longing for B.Y.U. Football to wither away, is a fools errand.

    You've substantiated my opinions with bells and whistles.

    Off to work now...we'll see your insecurities posted on the next BYU article.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Feb. 16, 2017 9:39 a.m.

    Bluto,

    You seem to be getting all bent out of shape because someone has a differing opinion. Take a deep breath Guy; just a spirited debate among friends.

    Let's look at the "Legacy"; shall we?

    Since 2008;
    Ranked in the final BCS poll: once
    Bowl Record: 5-4, 1-3 vs P5 Schools
    Record vs Rival (Utah): 1-8; an OT win
    BCS Bowl Appearances: 0

    The Legacy lives on! Too Funny

    Also, how many "mid-major" programs went 2-0 in BCS games? Certainly not BYU. TCU, Boise State? Very good programs; I would never say otherwise, but time has left your Cougs behind. Hey, at least you have 1984, and a pledge pin. Very Cool!

    Jello,

    Did I ever say they didn't win the NC in 1984? No; Period!
    Have always said they played the weakest schedule and bowl opponent to win the NC? Yes; Period! That's what I have been saying all along and no one can provide any facts or statistics to prove be wrong. Period!

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 8:55 a.m.

    @SpokieUte

    you said:
    "Just another attempt to justify 1984".

    BYU need not justify anything.
    They were "Unanimous National Champions"
    Not....Consensus Champions, Not Split Title Champions....Unanimous!

    Your "subjectivity" notwithstanding.

    '83 & '84 B.Y.U. won 24 straight games.
    16 players off '84 team sign Pro contracts.

    Facts you say:

    Ute fans still arguing BYU's National Championship in football after 37 years, demonstrate unequivocally, that it's thee who is upset and cannot get over the fact of BYU having been deemed College Football's National Champion in 1984.

    Let us know when your mid-major program on the hill can boast as much.
    Show us your Maxwell, Walker & Heisman Trophies (crickets).
    As well as Outland, O'brien and Sammy Baugh Trophies (plural).
    Let alone even one College Hall of Famer. (BYU has 7)

    BYU..More All-Americans, NFL and Super Bowl players than Utah.

    That my friend is how a Legacy program is built. Over generations.
    You downplaying BYU's accomplishments is a manifestation of acute jealousy on your part.

  • Jello is Good ,
    Feb. 16, 2017 8:41 a.m.

    No spin needed. A win is a win. Scoreboard. Utah beat BYU last year. Period. BYU was unanimous NC in 1984. Period.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Feb. 16, 2017 7:43 a.m.

    Poyman,

    Not trashing it at all; just stating facts about it. As far as Pitt being ranked #3; it was the first game of the season. They finished the season 3-7-1; and that's the team you are hanging your hat on? A tough Baylor team? They finished the season 5-6. Was it BYU's fault that there schedule turned out to be weak? No. Was it there fault they got stuck in a horrible bowl? No. Was it the easiest path ever to an NC? Of course. Also, I don't know what the following year has to do with anything? Just another attempt to justify 1984. I'm just stating the facts; which seems to really upset BYU fans. BYU won the NC 1984 fair and square, but please don't act like they beat quality opponents because they didn't. Spin it any way you want, but that's the truth and those are the facts.

  • Jello is Good ,
    Feb. 16, 2017 5:57 a.m.

    Clarification of my comments:

    College Basketball is a physical sport played by immature young men still learning to control emotions. Hopefully they are coached by mature men that can project values and direct the youthful emotion.

    Rough play happens in every game, to include, purposefully striking another player with part of your body, whether that be an elbow, knee, foot, hip, or even fist. Is it right? no. Is it unusual? No.

    Emery was wrong to swing at Taylor regardless of this phantom elbow I still don't see. For breaking the rules he was given an in-game technical and then suspended for a game. He also issued an apology. This is normal and customary.

    Hill and Crisco made a decision that was not in the heat of the moment and not customary anywhere in college sports. Sans the uber commenters on this board, the majority of Utah State residents felt that it was an over-reaction. Because of that over-reaction, the game was re-instated.

    If this series is canceled at some later date for scheduling and competitive/strategic reasons, although it will be a sad ending, so be it. Just please be honest with your fans as to why it is being done.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Feb. 15, 2017 2:43 p.m.

    @ spokane

    Why is it that you and other ute fans want to trash BYU's National Championship year where both the AP and the Coaches Poll voted BYU as the #1 team in the country? Then y'all turn around and point to these same polls to justify the strength of utah based on the fact that they made the top 25 in the final poll of the year. Makes no sense.

    In answer to your questions... BYU beat Pitt in Pitt when they were ranked #3 in the country... They beat a very solid Baylor team from the SW Conference, and they wiped the slate clean in the WAC (which included beating utah at RES and a strong AF team).

    BYU didn't get to pick their bowl opponent but as I understand it the Holiday Bowl tried to get the #2 team Oklahoma to play them in the Holiday Bowl (BYU was under contract)... Oklahoma said no and opted to play Washington in the Orange Bowl for more money.

    As we now know, Washington soundly beat Oklahoma, and BYU beat Michigan. Michigan was a young team and they finished 2nd in the nation the following year. Also in the first month of the following year BYU shut out Washington 31-0 three games into the season.

    Now you know the rest of the story.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Feb. 15, 2017 2:26 p.m.

    timidredrobin

    "...If Utah plays BYU-Provo, the story to watch won't be the histrionics of BYU-P's players...it will be whether Utah can put up 125 points on that "defense"."
    *********************
    I'll take the "under" and give you 45.

    spokane

    The loss to UVU was a fluke but they showed that they could play some good Basketball at the beginning of the year... They had utah on the ropes with a lead with less than 2 minutes to go..

    rumoris

    Your claim that Emery was "cheating" when he tried to tag Taylor is baloney. You say you played Div 1 FB and never saw anything like that? Please... 5 years earlier utah's Henderson smacked Emery's older brother in the face but BYU did't whine and cancel a game. Kry's action was ridiculous. (BTW, you need to watch the whole play... type Taylor elbows Emery into your).

    If you played FB you had to see times when players protected other players from their own team... It started with a shove of a BYU player, then punches and and swinging helmets that were first instigated by Memphis.

    These type of comments are what cause Coug fans to lose some respect for some ute fans.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Feb. 15, 2017 2:08 p.m.

    @desperateute

    "...The problem with you Y fans is that you STILL use the LaVell era to show you're relevant today, and that's just not the case. Losing 11 out of 14 to the Utes CURRENTLY doesn't help plead your case. BYU is beneath us in terms of rankings, P5 affiliation, schedule....you name it. Case in point, you had a matching record this year in football....yet Utah was ranked in the Top 25 in CFP and AP. Where was BYU? Crickets...."

    **************************
    Not so long ago... It takes in the last 44 games played... I'm not even retirement age and I watched pretty much all of those games... 84' is only 30 years ago... perhaps if you're in your teens it seems like a long time ago.

    BYU beneath you today?... Yea, lol, you've won 6 big wow. It's interesting that you hang your hat on the end of season subjective rankings but don't want to pay any attention to the fact that BYU finished higher than the utes in the computerized ranking system from Sagarin. BYU 36 utah 37.

    It's also interesting that you want to talk about the last 14 games in FB but dismiss the last 15 games in BB (BYU 11- utah 4). Desperate is a good name.

  • Chewbacca Magna, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 1:13 p.m.

    Killarney, Pacute, Rockwell...

    Long live Lavell! Long live Lavell! As long as we have him, we'll be great!

  • Pedro Sanchez Magna, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 1:11 p.m.

    When they said that this cougar roster was destined for multiple final four runs, I wish they would have been a little more specific. I wouldn't be so disappointed now if I had know then that they meant NIT final fours.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Feb. 15, 2017 12:41 p.m.

    PACute, Utenoymous, or which ever name you are using these days,

    List the top 20 teams you beat in 1984?
    List the other programs who have won the NC without beating a single top 20 team?
    List the other programs that beat a team that finished .500 to win the NC?

    Crickets

    The odd thing about this guy is that he claims to be a big time BYU fan, yet uses the word "Ute" in all his screen names? Now that's quite an inferiority complex.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Feb. 15, 2017 12:30 p.m.

    DeepBlue - Anaheim, CA
    Feb. 15, 2017 11:30 a.m.

    Spokane Ute

    re: Rockwell, when is the last time any of these events occurred?

    1 National Championship
    1 Heisman Trophy winner
    6 National Hall of Fame Players
    17 AP Top 25 Finishes

    "That" they occurred is far more important than "when" they occurred.
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    That's a matter of opinion. That would be like me bragging about Utah's NCAA tournament championship in 1944. Personally; I prefer events that I can actually remember and the here and now; but by all mean's, keep that time machine gassed up. Especially considering that the distant past is all you've got. 50 years from now BYU fans will be banging on their chest about 1984. You know, 1984 when we beat absolutely nobody and won the NC. What about the bowl game? We barely beat a 6-6 Michigan team; the worst Michigan team Bo Schembelcher ever coached. Man has the mighty BYU fan base been reduced.

  • killarney Lincoln Park, IL
    Feb. 15, 2017 12:00 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    Quick to the wannabe time machine and let us know when Utah will achieve its

    1st National Championship
    1st Heisman Trophy winner
    1st National Hall of Fame Player
    Double-digit AP Top 25 Finishes

    It's interesting that Utah fans whine about the age of BYU's achievements, while completely ignoring the fact that Utah has NEVER achieved any of them.

    --------------------------------

    btw, when does the statute of relevancy limitations run out on Utah's Final Four appearances?

    Most of Utah's current players weren't even born the last time the Utes reached the Final Four.

  • PACute_ Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 15, 2017 11:48 a.m.

    Spokane Ute

    Silly Utes, whining about BYU's 1984 Consensus National Championship, when the Utes still brag about that dusty old 1944 banner from the 2nd best tournament of the day hanging in the rafters of the Huntsman Center.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Feb. 15, 2017 11:34 a.m.

    DesperadoUte

    I'm talking about lifetime achievements, the likes of which, Utah has NEVER achieved.

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    Feb. 15, 2017 11:30 a.m.

    Spokane Ute

    re: Rockwell, when is the last time any of these events occurred?

    1 National Championship
    1 Heisman Trophy winner
    6 National Hall of Fame Players
    17 AP Top 25 Finishes

    "That" they occurred is far more important than "when" they occurred.

    It took Utah more than 100 seasons to be ranked in the Final AP Top 25,
    1892 to 1994, and Utah still hasn't won a national championship, Heisman trophy, or had a single player inducted into the National Hall of Fame.

    BYU has only played 92 seasons and has already achieved all of the above.

    As far as recent achievements,

    BYU had a longer AP Top 25 streak (FOUR) and more 11+ win, Top 15 finishes (THREE) from 2006 to 2009, than Utah has had in their entire history.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Feb. 15, 2017 11:18 a.m.

    ekute

    Doesn't matter whether the dysfunctional Big 12 was impressed or not, BYU's overall record is still far more impressive on a national scale than that wannabe program on the hill.

    Chewbacca / DesperadoUte

    It's hilarious the non sequitur fallacies Utah fans are forced to resort to to desperately try to disprove that BYU dominates U on a national scale.

    BYU has already reached the pinnacle of major college football team and individual achievement, something our jealous friends on the hill can only dream of.

    BYU's "dusty" trophies proudly displayed in BYU's Legacy Hall of Fame are the closest the Utes will ever get to a National Championship or Heisman Trophy.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Feb. 15, 2017 10:41 a.m.

    1 National Championship
    1 Heisman Trophy winner
    6 National Hall of Fame Players
    17 AP Top 25 Finishes
    ------
    Rockwell, when is the last time any of these events occurred?

    Quick, to the time machine.

  • DesperadoUte Salt Lake, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 10:39 a.m.

    Rockwell....thanks for proving my point. You're talking about things that happened 30 or 40 years ago to show that you're relevant today! I'm the first to acknowledge that BYU has a tremendous football heritage and legacy....but that can only take you so far. Even with that legacy, you're still currently being dominated by the one team you despise the most.

    Back to the NIT....if we end up playing BYU in that tournament, I predict a victory for the Utes. And if it ends up being that way, I would almost guarantee the Utes would be nationally favored to win as well.

  • Chewbacca Magna, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 10:33 a.m.

    Rockwell -

    All those dusty WAC era trophies and a buck will get you a cup of beverage at 7-11, but they haven't gotten you into a BCS game, or a power conference. We're in the 21st century now my friend.

  • Chewbacca Magna, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 10:25 a.m.

    Poyman-

    1972? Many of the PARENTS of byu's football team weren't born in 1972!

    59–34–4 all time. That, and 6 in a row is all you need to know!

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 10:06 a.m.

    Rockwell,
    Was the Big 12 impressed?

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Feb. 15, 2017 9:55 a.m.

    Desperate Ute

    "Utah leads BYU 59-34-4. From 1946 until 1964 the Utes went 18-2 over BYU."

    With a huge 30-year head start and then BYU starting over again from scratch after WWII, Utah did dominate the leather helmet era.

    Unfortunately for U, the did absolutely nothing on a national scale during all of those years of head-to-head domination from 1922 to 1964.

    Since 1965, when BYU won their first conference title, the Cougars have dominated U 29-22, but unlike Utah's leather helmet era of domination, BYU actually accomplished something on a national scale:

    1 National Championship
    1 Heisman Trophy winner
    6 National Hall of Fame Players
    17 AP Top 25 Finishes

    #34 All Time AP Top 100

    Sadly for U, the Utes are only #63 on that list and have never even come close to winning a national championship or a Heisman Trophy.

  • DesperadoUte Salt Lake, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 8:58 a.m.

    poyman said, "Those 6 wins have made it so that you are now at 18-26 from the time that Edwards began coaching at BYU... If you win 12 of the next 14 games against BYU you will equal the record that BYU had against u from 1972 through 1992. Possible? Don't think so."

    And you call me "desperate?" Look, as long as we're talking time frames.....if you choose to use BYU's era since Edwards, then it's totally reasonable and fair to look at the overall series, of which Utah leads BYU 59-34-4. From 1946 until 1964 the Utes went 18-2 over BYU. Truthfully, I can play that game too, poyman. I can pick a period of time that shows Utah in a better light. The problem with you Y fans is that you STILL use the LaVell era to show you're relevant today, and that's just not the case. Losing 11 out of 14 to the Utes CURRENTLY doesn't help plead your case. BYU is beneath us in terms of rankings, P5 affiliation, schedule....you name it. Case in point, you had a matching record this year in football....yet Utah was ranked in the Top 25 in CFP and AP. Where was BYU? Crickets....

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Feb. 15, 2017 7:20 a.m.

    Striker

    Also, don't put words in my mouth; I never said there isn't violence in sports, now did I? I do take exception to the angle that punching someone in the face, when they are not looking, while playing basketball, is very rare. Certainly not common place. I would love for you to present data showing otherwise, but there isn't any. Just a very biased opinion support a sucker punch for a player of a team one supports.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Feb. 15, 2017 7:11 a.m.

    Striker

    You may want to read the comment I was countering before popping off. That's OK though, let's expand this conversation to NBA and College Ball; I don't think the level goes much higher than that. Of course I already gave you a college example which you swept under the rug. So let's talk NBA. I watch the Jazz quite frequently. When was the last time a player got ejected, for a punch, in a Jazz game? Again, you and Jello guy make it sounds like punches are thrown each and every game; yet you have nothing, absolutely nothing, to back up such a Bogus claim. It rarely happens; to come on here and state that it happens all the time only flushes your credibility right down the drain. Just because a player from your team through a sucker punch doesn't make it right, not does it mean it happens all the time. It rarely happens; don't kid your self. I can't wait to hear some hard evidence to back up your claim, but none exists.

  • WalkerTexas Ranger Greeley, CO
    Feb. 15, 2017 6:45 a.m.

    Thank you to all the Yoot fans for caring so much about the Y and your continued posting on BYU articles!

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Feb. 15, 2017 1:17 a.m.

    @desperateute

    "...we've still beaten your team the past 6 in a row.....so where does that place your team now that you've brought football into it? It must be great playing a non-majority P5 schedule and an absolute cupcake schedule in mid-October to November end."
    *****************
    Those 6 wins have made it so that you are now at 18-26 from the time that Edwards began coaching at BYU... If you win 12 of the next 14 games against BYU you will equal the record that BYU had against u from 1972 through 1992. Possible? Don't think so.

    BYU's schedule? This year they played 6 P5 programs... beat 3 and lost to the other 3 by a combined total of 7 points. They also played top level G5 programs with great records against top P5 teams... Take Boise State, the utes are 0-4 against them since they became an FBS school over 20 years ago... Toledo beat Arkansas in 2015. Meanwhile the utes struggle against AZ, lose fairly regularly to WSU, Cali and Colorado (although Colorado was better this year) and then pound their chests about how tough they are.

    BYU's November is equal to utah's September and the Cougs September is equivalent to the utes November.

  • BlueCoug Provo, UT
    Feb. 14, 2017 10:14 p.m.

    ekute

    You forgot USF,

    ooops,

    and when was the last time U won a game at USD, SCU, Pepperdine, Portland, Saint Mary's, or Gonzaga?

  • BlueCoug Provo, UT
    Feb. 14, 2017 9:17 p.m.

    desperate ute

    "Coach K inherited a mess....hence the 6 wins his first season, but with continued improvement since."

    Coach 80k inherited a team that finished 13-18 in 2011 and ran every player from that team out of town to create his own 6-25 mess in 2012.

    Coach Rose inherited a team that finished 9-21 in 2005 and coached basically the same team to a 20-9 record and 2nd place finish in the MWC in 2006.

    btw, please explain how getting blown out in the 2nd round of the NCAA tournament in 2016 is an "improvement" over making it to the Sweet Sixteen in 2015, or how an NIT bound 17-8 team in 2017 is an "improvement" over last season's 27-9 team.

    It took kry THREE seasons to match what Rose did in his first season

    Rose's 1st year: 20-9, NIT 1st round loss
    kry's 3rd year: 21-12, NIT 1st round loss

    Rose's 6th year: 32-5, Sweet Sixteen, consensus Nat'l POY, came within a missed free throw in regulation of making the Elite Eight after losing his starting center just before post-season play began.

    kry's 6th year: 27-9, blown out in the 2nd round by an 11th seed despite having one of the best centers in the country

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Feb. 14, 2017 8:57 p.m.

    byu'll be lucky to make The NIT, just as we'll be fortunate to reach The Dance.

    The U > byu, hands-down....Just ask UVU/USC/CU/USD/SC/Pepperdine.

    Go Utes!

  • Rockarolla West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 14, 2017 7:26 p.m.

    Listen, I'm a BYU fan and I'm not real happy with the cheap shot play of the Cougars. Returned missionaries should know better and should be team leaders.
    That being said, the Utes have problems as well. Not so much on the field as off the field. Allot of it goes unpunished, unless you count running laps ect, There are two sets of rules in this state. One set for the cougars and another for everyone else. I don't have a problem with that. If you sign on to play at BYU, then play by their rules. If you want a more relaxed environment both with alcohol and academics then go play elsewhere. It really is just that simple.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Feb. 14, 2017 5:21 p.m.

    Striker,
    That's not the message that holmoe should send to Utah or any other opponent on byu's schedule, in any sport.

  • Rumoris Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 14, 2017 5:01 p.m.

    Deseret
    news this is a reply to a comment directed at me, his reply is off topic as well, either post mine, or delete his. You are creating a double standard.

    Christy B
    Whether or not the punch causes damage, or has force behind it is inconsequential to what it was. Try again please.

    Taylor's foot to Haw's groin is not dirty play, you tell me how much control you have over your body when you are falling backwards, that was an accident, but I'll apologize to you for it.

    Not a single Ute fan supports what Marshal did, what he did was wrong, and that is exactly what every Y fan should be saying about Emery.

    Luca Durka, I don't even remember it, but if he did shame on him. Which is what ever Y fan should be saying to Emery.

    You see how a fan can be realistic with his team. Where as you Boys in Blue have yet to actually come clean about any of the foul play your players have committed at a very quick clip.

    Wanna give it a try?

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    Feb. 14, 2017 4:34 p.m.

    "My 3 kids all played organized ball from 2nd - 11th grades; mostly AAU. None ever got punched. You make it sound like it's common place. "

    Spikey, you are joking right? That or you are really reaching to prove a point using young kids, only 3, to disprove violence in sports. Come on man. When you play a sport, emotions run high because you want to win. It doesn't matter what age. I've seen hurt feelings at every level of sports, even games like Monopoly and people have flipped the game in anger.

    Please, don't try to justify one coaches crazy action to cancel a game by comparing it to little kids. Everyone can get upset and have some rage. It's a natural, human reaction and emotion at every age.

  • Rumoris Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 14, 2017 4:21 p.m.

    Jello

    Don't be disingenuous, you know exactly what I'm talking about. By the way I also played football for 15 years, and guess what? Nobody throws a block with a closed fist.

    I'm not talking about the incidental body parts flying around, but I am talking about Langi on national TV, balling his fist, cocking his arm, and shoving it into a Boise State players groin.

    You know full well that isn't hard play, nor is Emery doing the same from behind Taylor.

    Try again, yes BYU was punished by the U, that's why the collective fandom of the Y has been throwing a hissy fit for over a year about it.

  • DesperadoUte Salt Lake, UT
    Feb. 14, 2017 3:50 p.m.

    midpacmajor, glad I could tickle your funny bone....and I'm the first to admit that Utah's basketball team was terrible from 2006 - 2012 (I noticed you conveniently left out 2014 and 2016 in your illustration)....Coach K inherited a mess....hence the 6 wins his first season, but with continued improvement since. My response was to talkinsports who said we were WINLESS against WCC teams in this century....and that's just not true. BYU has had terrible seasons too (1-25, remember?)

  • GoRed WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Feb. 14, 2017 3:30 p.m.

    @NevadCoug

    Your comment posted posted on Feb. 13 at 5:45 p.m. called my comments "revisionist history". Please explain how I, in any way, wrote "revisionist history".

    @Julie Is Good

    Tell me, Julie, how my rhetoric is "tired and full of half-truths". Everything I said in my post concerning BYU's ongoing poor sportsmanship was a documented fact. Our players are not embarrassed at all by our coach's behavior, as you falsely claim. As I stated earlier, we are proud of him for taking a stance against teams and fans who show poor sportsmanship. Your post only further solidified this (justifying the poor behavior).

    If the shoe fits, wear it.

  • Jimbo Low PLEASANT GROVE, UT
    Feb. 14, 2017 3:12 p.m.

    @SoonerUte:
    "Why would a 3 seed play an away game at the 5 seed's home court?"
    Ummmm I thought the NIT was several weeks away but you seem to have all the seeding ready to go--no possibility of changes between now and then?
    Should I go ahead and buy the BYU - Boise State tickets today?

  • midpacmajor Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 14, 2017 2:52 p.m.

    desperate ute

    "So you're just counting the high school gym part and not counting the MC where you lost to the Utes last time we played there?"

    Even Utah fans are smart enough not to claim that winning in the Marriott Center is easy.

    It's hilarious, however, how you highlighted Utah's ONE, and ONLY, win in the Marriott Center in more than a decade (a 4-point nail biter), while completely ignoring your SEVEN losses during the Dave Rose era.

    2015 Utah 65 BYU 61 -4
    2013 BYU 61 Utah 58 +3
    2011 BYU 72 Utah 59 +13
    2010 BYU 82 Utah 69 +13
    2009 BYU 63 Utah 50 +13
    2008 BYU 67 Utah 59 +8
    2007 BYU 85 Utah 62 +23
    2006 BYU 72 Utah 60 +12

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Feb. 14, 2017 2:37 p.m.

    Jello is Good - ,
    Feb. 14, 2017 1:33 p.m.

    @ Ramora

    "Explain how throwing a punch is rough play? Can you? Because even in the rougher of sports (football) that is still illegal.

    You normally make good points, but you are doubling down on what I would call stupid, not to mention the name calling. Tsk tsk tsk, mommy would not be proud."

    --------------------

    I have played 15 years of organized football and I can't remember a single game that I wasn't punched, elbowed, tripped, held or even spit on.
    --------
    Why are you resorting to making stuff up. I too played organized ball from 4th - 10th grade; along with intermurals. Never got punched. My 3 kids all played organized ball from 2nd - 11th grades; mostly AAU. None ever got punched. You make it sound like it's common place. Been watching the Utes for 40 years. Other than Buster Matheney throwing a punch over 40 years ago; I don't recall any. When a punch is thrown the play is reviewed and the player ejected; if indeed a punch was thrown. It's very rare that this happens. It's kind of sad you have to resort to making things up as opposed to being honest.

  • DesperadoUte Salt Lake, UT
    Feb. 14, 2017 2:03 p.m.

    talkinsports said, "By my count, you're winless this century." Really? So you're just counting the high school gym part and not counting the MC where you lost to the Utes last time we played there? Boy, that's convenient. Doesn't sound like "winless" to me against the WCC.....besides , you're using the entire conference as a surrogate because your team can't get it done the past 3 meetings with the Utes. And how do you know that BYU would beat the U in the MC if played this year? You don't know.....you're just fantasizing. You focus on Utah's loss to SF when Kuzma was out, yet your team lost to common opponents like USC and UVU. Your margins of losing to opponents is much higher than that of the Utes. The Utes largest loss this year was to Arizona by 10. Can you say that about BYU? No. Your double-digit losses are 5 games to Utah's 1:

    UVU....13 points
    St. Mary's....13 points
    San Diego....13 points
    Gonzaga.....10 points
    Pepperdine....16 points (ouch)

    Who's the best team in the State of Utah? It's 45 miles to the north of Provo on top of a hill.

  • Jello is Good ,
    Feb. 14, 2017 1:33 p.m.

    @ Ramora

    "Explain how throwing a punch is rough play? Can you? Because even in the rougher of sports (football) that is still illegal.

    You normally make good points, but you are doubling down on what I would call stupid, not to mention the name calling. Tsk tsk tsk, mommy would not be proud."

    --------------------

    I have played 15 years of organized football and I can't remember a single game that I wasn't punched, elbowed, tripped, held or even spit on.

    I have played basketball in rec league, middle school, and HS as well as another 20 years of rec league and church ball. I have been pushed, elbowed, undercut, tripped, and yes, even punched. All of these things are illegal. But they are reality and are not the monumental offense that you any many fans like you are making them out to be. Get over it or follow another sport because this one will only bring you frustration and disappointment if you expect to see everyone follow the rules.

    As to my mother, she is dead so I don't spend as much time with her as I used to. You?

  • Christy B Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 14, 2017 1:27 p.m.

    Rumoris

    "BYU had a history of illegal play, "

    BYU basketball's "history" of illegal play is no different than Utah's,

    or have U conveniently forgotten
    - Brandon Taylor's groin kick of Tyler Haws
    - Marshall Henderson's cheap shot punch of Jackson Emery
    - Luka Drca's tripping of Blake Griffin

    The "slap" was so inconsequential that it didn't even leave a mark, in fact, Taylor can clearly be seen yucking it up with his team mates celebrating his academy award winning flop while the refs are still reviewing the video.

    coach kry chose to make a big deal about it to avoid getting his feelings hurt in a return visit to the Marriott Center.

    He knew that BYU fans would be upset with Taylor's baiting and flopping.

  • Jello is Good ,
    Feb. 14, 2017 1:25 p.m.

    @ Rumor

    "BYU had a history of illegal play, so coach K punished them for acting like children, and I'm glad he did it. You gotta learn to play nice with others."

    Want some cheese with that whine, Dorothy.

    Let's make sure we are clear. Nobody was punished. Nobody changed their behavior. Nobody apologized. The only thing that happened was that a great historic and competitive university, Utah, looked foolish in the national media. And they are still playing the series.

    Tragic really.

  • Rumoris Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 14, 2017 1:04 p.m.

    Jello

    Explain how throwing a punch is rough play? Can you? Because even in the rougher of sports (football) that is still illegal.

    You normally make good points, but you are doubling down on what I would call stupid, not to mention the name calling. Tsk tsk tsk, mommy would not be proud.

  • Jello is Good ,
    Feb. 14, 2017 12:46 p.m.

    ......and BYU fans stop trying to argue that BYU is better than Utah this year. They aren't. And they weren't the last two years.

    The vast majority of BYU fans did not think this year's team was a final four team, but we did think they would make the tournament. We were wrong and BYU has under-performed.

    Most Utah fans expected they were in a rebuilding year, but Utah has played better than expected (and better than BYU).

    Neither team makes the NCAA's. Utah is in the NIT and will have home games. BYU MAY get into the NIT, but will need 3 more wins. If they schedule BYU to play Utah in the NIT, Utah will have the home game as they will be rated higher. Utah wins the game.

  • Rumoris Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 14, 2017 12:42 p.m.

    Y less than U

    Ya Taylor didn't throw an elbow, Deadspin got the good angle on their article, you can go look at it right now.

    BYU had a history of illegal play, so coach K punished them for acting like children, and I'm glad he did it. You gotta learn to play nice with others.

  • Jello is Good ,
    Feb. 14, 2017 12:38 p.m.

    @Rumoris

    "Sucker punching is not playing a physical game. That's called cheating, and being a bad sport."

    Swinging an arm, leg, fist, elbow at another player is illegal. But, Sally, it happens in every gym in America almost every day. Emery was wrong, but the act was not unusual or unexpected in a tight, physical game.

    And stop with the "sucker punching" reference. Emery made no attempt to hide the punch or sneak up on Taylor. He got tired of the physical play and took a swing at him. It was wrong and he apologized. He received the normal punishment by the league that is consistent with what the Pac, ACC, and SEC has done with similar or even worse cases this year.

    I don't remember a single other school or coach canceling a game or making as big a deal as Utah has done.

    Rumatoid, this is not nerf basketball with your little brother in the basement. Strap it up or start following rhythmic gymnastics. No contact there.

  • Y>U Anaheim, CA
    Feb. 14, 2017 12:36 p.m.

    Rumoris

    It was a little jab that didn't even leave a mark
    and was preceded by Taylor's thrown elbow that missed entirely,

    unlike Taylor's groin kick the previous season that Utah fans have conveniently forgotten all about.

    It's absolutely hysterical that are delicate little friends on the hill decided to blow something so trivial completely out of proportion

    all to protect a coach who made up the player safety issue because he, himself, needed a "cooling off period" because he didn't think he could control himself if he got his feelings hurt in front of a boisterous crowd in the Marriott Center.

    That, in a nut shell, is what really happened, despite the frantic attempts by the kids on the hill to rewrite history according to their own distorted view.

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    Feb. 14, 2017 12:28 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    " That's so awesome. Utah is 0-1 vs the WCC; since they only played one game which was an upset."

    Not only are U 0-1 vs the WCC this season (would have been 0-2 if you hadn't bailed on the game in the MC), but you're 0-2 versus the WCC in post-season play since joining the PAC 12.

    So much for the mighty weak PAC 12 champ wannabes.

    Remind us the last time the Utes won a game in one of those high school gyms of the WCC.

    By my count, you're winless this century.

    For a fanbase that brags about their team being soooo much better than the WCC,

    U talk the talk
    but U fail miserably in
    walking the walk

  • Jello is Good ,
    Feb. 14, 2017 12:27 p.m.

    @ Port-a-John

    Stop projecting what other BYU fans do (or what you imagine they do) on me. I have never professed anything other than basketball is tough. Deal with it. Whoever has the most points at the end of the game wins and is the better team. Crisco played tough and coached tough and expects his players to be tough. The disconnect is the rhetoric as to the reason for the game cancelation.

    Emery swung at Taylor and missed. Stupid decision, but not the big deal many Ute and BYU fans are making it. I am one BYU fan that did not see a Taylor elbow. Your own player, Taylor, said in an interview at NBA camp that it was not a big thing and he and his fellow players had long since forgotten it and had no issues with Emery.

    As to when I comment, do some research. I do comment on articles about Utah, but certainly nowhere near all and usually not hammering Utah as a program, but some of its obsessed fans. The only institutional problem I have ever had with Utah was the reason given for canceling the game. Had Hill and Crisco simply given the real reason for canceling the game, I could have lived with it. I'm not sure many Utah residents would have.

  • Rumoris Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 14, 2017 12:26 p.m.

    Jello

    Sucker punching is not playing a physical game. That's called cheating, and being a bad sport.

    Try again my man.

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    Feb. 14, 2017 11:51 a.m.

    BYU will not be in the NIT. They're just not good enough this year to get past the first game in the WCC playoffs.

    Utah is a mediocre team that would lose to BYU in the Marriott Center. BYU would not beat Utah in SLC. Doesn't matter. They won't play each other this year. Period.

    Nobody in the PAC 12 will survive past round 3 in the NCAAs. Gonzaga will be in the final 4.

    There you have it. Prove me wrong, Cougs and Utes.

  • Wise-sage pleasant grove, UT
    Feb. 14, 2017 11:39 a.m.

    COULD go to the NIT,. They will be in the NIT there is no chance they can make it to the NCAA tourney

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Feb. 14, 2017 11:34 a.m.

    83Ute

    A full analysis? Come on Man; that will never work in these debates. Especially when the outcome is always the same. Little Boy Blue comes in second.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Feb. 14, 2017 11:32 a.m.

    @ talkinsports

    One thing for sure is that you are the king of spin. That's so awesome. Utah is 0-1 vs the WCC; since they only played one game which was an upset. Not afraid to talk about it in the least bit. I guess I could spin like you and discuss how Utah's best player was out for most of the game. they were only down by x points with x minutes to go, etc. Then again, that's making excuses, spinning the outcome, and not giving my opponent credit. Those are your angles. I give SF credit, they beat us.

  • JayDee West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 14, 2017 11:24 a.m.

    Not that it matters much, but for the record:

    Stanford basketball currently has a #137 BPI (I went with ESPN's system that they claim is the most accurate reflection of where a program is.)

    Stanford is currently tied for ninth in the standings of their conference. Don't know how that can be an alternate fact.

    Sorry if I misplaced anybody in a group of BYU haters. So many just responded to my post that had nothing to do with BYU by commenting about BYU.

    And to repeat, my original post was only a response to the second poster, ekute who brought the football angle to the thread fairly early.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 14, 2017 11:12 a.m.

    "Please, Sally, let it go. Your rhetoric is tired and full of half truths and innuendos. Your players are embarrassed that their coach and fans don't think they are tough enough to play a physical game and need to be protected. Stop obsessing and why don't you do you and we'll do us."

    Jelly:

    Classic coog example of 'Do as I say, not as I do."
    - You say Ute players are embarrassed? Great example of a non-truth and innuendo.
    - Stop obsessing? That's rich coming from someone who comments on nearly every Ute story.
    Bottom line? You ARE being you, and we see the disconnect.

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    Feb. 14, 2017 11:02 a.m.

    Spokane Ute

    "I wonder why BYU fans don't mention the common opponent; UVU scores?"

    You the common opponent that shot lights out from 3 to upset BYU?

    Upsets happen, especially when an opponent launches 37 3's a hits 18.

    Let's not forget that the Utes also trailed UVU 75-78 with less than 2 minutes left in the game before squeaking out a win.

    I wonder why the high and mighty Utes don't mention Utah's record against the WCC this season since Utah is soooo much better than teams in the WCC.

  • 83Ute Ogden/Weber, UT
    Feb. 14, 2017 10:59 a.m.

    @TalkinSports (9:23 am):

    "81Ute

    "Utah's worst loss is to San Francisco at #108"

    a team that BYU beat TWICE"

    I think your comment was for me (83Ute), not 81Ute since the quote is mine. When I made that comment, I was not making a case for Utah being better than BYU. It was to dispute an earlier comment that Utah has lost to one or two "dreadful" teams. Do you think San Francisco is "dreadful"? Remember, they are currently the fourth highest ranked team in the WCC.

    But, if you want to compare the two programs, let's look at all common opponents, awful losses, good wins, overall SOS, etc. Utah is ranked far higher in Sagarin than BYU. Utah has better comparative scores in games against USC, Colorado, and UVU while BYU does have the advantage in the USF games as you mentioned. Simply waving the USF flag when trying to compare the two programs is not a full analysis.

  • 83Ute Ogden/Weber, UT
    Feb. 14, 2017 10:52 a.m.

    @Elkhorn (12:21 am):

    "83Ute

    Utah also had a pathetically weak non-conference schedule that failed to give the Utes any resume building wins for the NCAA tournament."

    Why was that statement addressed to me? Have I claimed Utah didn't have a weak non-conference schedule? Have I claimed Utah deserves an invite to the dance? My only point in my comments on this article is to refute the claim that Utah has one or two "dreadful" losses this year.

    If you want to make generic comments, feel free to do so. Just don't address them specifically to me. Thank you.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 14, 2017 10:46 a.m.

    USAlover "schedule a BYU-Utah game in the Marriott Center ASAP"

    Jimbo Low "If the NIT sets up a BYU - Utah matchup and it happens to be a the Marriott Center"

    According to nycbuckets.com, which projects NIT bids, the Cougars are a No. 5 seed, playing at No. 4 Boise State in the first round. By the way, Utah is projected as a No. 3 seed in the same region.

    Why would a 3 seed play an away game at the 5 seed's home court?

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Feb. 14, 2017 10:35 a.m.

    I wonder why BYU fans don't mention the common opponent; UVU scores?

    Now that's curious. I guess when so called BYU fans discuss sports; they only mention the games that meet their agenda. Selective stats and facts; seen em a million times from Coug Fans. I also have come to realize they never mention recent head to head meetings. Nope, connect he dots or carry the debate using a team that did what your can't; simply beat Utah. Again, curious?

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    Feb. 14, 2017 9:23 a.m.

    81Ute

    "Utah's worst loss is to San Francisco at #108"

    a team that BYU beat TWICE!

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    Feb. 14, 2017 9:11 a.m.

    Uteology

    "Unlike BYU football, Utah football beat #3 USC and was a top 25 program"

    Don't kid yourself; USC was unranked and in the midst of a 1-3 slump when U beat them on a last second TD.
    What happened after that speaks for itself.
    Utah finished 4-4, losing to California, Washington, Oregon and Colorado.
    USC finished 8-0, beating every team that U lost to.
    The USC team that beat Penn St in the Rose Bowl, would have destroyed you if U had played them in November.

    Unlike U, BYU didn't lose to TWO 50+ teams in football - #58 California and #77 Oregon

    "Unlike BYU's "Final Four" team, Utah basketball is rebuilding..."

    BYU starts THREE Freshmen and TWO Sophomore, lost both Senior team captains to injury, and is by far the least experienced team in the country.

    Utah starts ONE Freshmen, THREE Juniors, and a Senior and has a far more experienced team than BYU.

    Yet, U couldn't handle the ONLY WCC team you played, a team that BYU beat soundly, TWICE.

    Utah 86 USF 89
    BYU 85 USF 75
    BYU 68 USF 52

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Feb. 14, 2017 8:47 a.m.

    Striker - Omaha, NE
    Feb. 14, 2017 7:37 a.m.

    Wow, 25 comments about BYU only possibly going to the NIT, and most of them about little red or from little red. Let's hope for a Alabama, Illinois, or Valpoesque quality opponent instead of the little red engine that couldn't.
    BYU will certainly be in this tournament. Let's aim a little higher in the opponent.
    ----
    Couldn't what? Make the NCAA tournament or beat the Couggies? I would say beating Utah is high enough aim; especially considering you haven't done it in quite some time.

  • Chewbacca Magna, UT
    Feb. 14, 2017 8:00 a.m.

    Jello salad-

    The truth hurts don't it. That's quite a resume your teams have of poor sportsmanship in the last five years. I guess that's what desperation to get back to the glory years has done.

    Coach K is a class act. And his success at the U drives cougars so mad that they are willing to impugn his integrity to make themselves feel better.

    I really hope the Utes pull a rabbit out of their hat and get into the big dance. But, if they don't, beating the cougars in the HC would be an ok consolation prize.

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    Feb. 14, 2017 7:37 a.m.

    Wow, 25 comments about BYU only possibly going to the NIT, and most of them about little red or from little red. Let's hope for a Alabama, Illinois, or Valpoesque quality opponent instead of the little red engine that couldn't.
    BYU will certainly be in this tournament. Let's aim a little higher in the opponent.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 14, 2017 7:22 a.m.

    JayDee - West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 13, 2017 3:11 p.m.
    Just like football, Utah fans have overrated their place in a conference that has quality at the very top that they can't defeat.

    -------

    Unlikr BYU football, Utah football beat #3 USC and was a top 25 program.

    Unlike BYU's "Final Four" team, Utah basketball is rebuilding and hasn't been been getting thumped by #300+ ranked teams like UVU, San Diego, Pepperdine.

  • What in Tucket? Provo, UT
    Feb. 14, 2017 6:46 a.m.

    BYU has reached a plateau the past decade or so. Utah has done better. The ceiling may be raised not in football, but perhaps not in basketball for BYU. Expectations were high for BB, but a bid in the NIT is possible. Considering the fan support perhaps BYU could do better.

  • 83Ute Ogden/Weber, UT
    Feb. 14, 2017 6:40 a.m.

    @JayDee (7:03 pm):

    "@ 83ute, desperadoute , et.al

    You are all inserting BYU references that are nowhere in my post. Why?"

    I have made no reference to BYU in my previous posts on this article. So, once again, your claim to the contrary is erroneous.

  • 83Ute Ogden/Weber, UT
    Feb. 14, 2017 6:37 a.m.

    @JayDee (7:03 pm):

    Sorry to inform you but Utah doesn't have a loss to a dreadful team this year. As I mentioned earlier, Stanford has a Sagarin rating of #86 which, while not superb, is certainly not dreadful. It is the 8th highest rating in the PAC 12, nowhere near the bottom. Utah's worst loss is to San Francisco at #108, the fourth best ranking in the WCC. Neither of those losses are to "dreadful" teams.

    So, your claim at 3:11 pm yesterday is simply wrong.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 14, 2017 6:25 a.m.

    LosLencas:

    CV Storm was correct. Just look at this very thread alone. Alpine Coug seems pretty excited about it. Jimbo Low is already fantasizing about being matched up with the Utes in that tournament as well. USAlover is crossing his fingers over a U-Y matchup too! And if they Utes and cougars DO ultimately meet in the NIT, Sanefan eagerly awaits to tune in. And like I’d said, that’s just THIS thread alone.

    The truth is, cougar fans have been wishfully anticipating the next game for over a year now, and now that the NIT would be their best shot at playing this game, it’s obvious they ARE giddy about a potential NIT invitation.

  • Jello is Good ,
    Feb. 14, 2017 5:53 a.m.

    @GoRed

    "Coach K never had a problem playing a basketball game against your Cougars---as long as they can play with decent sportsmanship. But, following the trend set by BYU football players at the infamous Miami Brawl Bowl, as well as other incidents like the cheap shot at the Boise State player and Langi's shot at the defenseless USU player, the rest of us are wondering what has got into the BYU athletic program. Coach K was right in getting out of scheduling the Utah-BYU game until its athletic department shows some guts and condemns this recurring behavior."

    --------------------

    Please, Sally, let it go. Your rhetoric is tired and full of half truths and innuendos. Your players are embarrassed that their coach and fans don't think they are tough enough to play a physical game and need to be protected. Stop obsessing and why don't you do you and we'll do us.

    Finally, what does Duke have to do with Crisco and Hill's decision?

  • Jello is Good ,
    Feb. 14, 2017 5:46 a.m.

    @CutieUte

    "beating byu would bring little if any consolation."

    How about losing. Any consolation there? At least if they did play, Utah would have flipped the table and turned this years game into a home game for them. That definitely would be worth $80,000.

  • Elkhorn Loveland, CO
    Feb. 14, 2017 12:21 a.m.

    83Ute

    Utah also had a pathetically weak non-conference schedule that failed to give the Utes any resume building wins for the NCAA tournament.

  • CordonBleu Park City, UT
    Feb. 13, 2017 11:21 p.m.

    COUGARSTRONG

    I think you're grossly under-estimating the potential of this very young BYU team that is dominated by Freshmen and Sophomores.

    For example, Jimmer only averaged 7 ppg as a Freshman.

    Haws(14.4), Childs (9.3), and Bryant(9.8) are all averaging more than that as Freshmen.

    Not that I expect any of them to become another Jimmer, but they all have the potential to be better in the next three seasons.

  • MRM Ogden, UT
    Feb. 13, 2017 10:39 p.m.

    Ekute1

    What exactly does football have to do with basketball?

    Utah might have a chance of beating Kentucky or Kansas in football, but both teams would destroy U in basketball.

    It may be painful for U to admit, but it's far more likely that both BYU and Utah end up in NIT, than for either team to be invited to the big dance.

  • COUGARSTRONG HIGHLANDS RANCH, CO
    Feb. 13, 2017 10:00 p.m.

    I think we were spoiled with Jimmer and should probably come to terms with the reality of the NIT being our post season destination for the next several years. That being said, it would be fun to win it a few times in the next several years. We are closer to the middle of the pack than we are to the top of this really mediocre league. Gonzaga will continue to dominate and St Marry's will be consistent.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Feb. 13, 2017 8:50 p.m.

    "The Utes lost to Stanford (BPI of 138 and 9th place in PAC 12 in basketball.) and that alone could keep them from NCAAs. That's about the equivalent of the Cal loss in football , but not as bad as an Oregon football loss."

    Go ahead & lay out for us where UVU/USD/Pepperdine all rank.

    Then follow this up w/the rankings of byu's annual slate of November patsies in football....While you're at it, list which good P5 schools byu beat & the cumulative overall record of the P5 schools they did beat.

    And Rosen or no Rosen, UCLA was horrid this last year & byu lost to them at home, a team we beat on the road....They also needed a last second FG to beat a terrible U of A, a team we beat by double-digits.

    Oh, & most importantly, they lost to us for the 6th consecutive game & the 11th time in the last 14 meetings....That's called full ownership of one's rival, period.

    This is on top of 3 straight in basketball, which would've easily been 4 straight this season against byu's zero D system, dr's very own.

    We straight own byu in the 2 major sports, period.

  • Sanefan Wellsville, UT
    Feb. 13, 2017 8:46 p.m.

    Well, ek, Utah will probably not get an NCAA bid and your team will have to play whomever they are matched up against in the NIT's. And guess what, beating Utah or any one else, including winning the NIT's is "little, if any consolation" for BYU fans as well. With that said, If Utah and BYU were matched up; you, I and every other fan will be tuned in.

  • Road Runner Cedar City, UT
    Feb. 13, 2017 7:54 p.m.

    Gored

    LOL!

    Larry's player safety issue was nothing more than a whiny excuse to avoid getting his feelings hurt in the Marriott Center.

  • Laxman taylorsville, UT
    Feb. 13, 2017 7:52 p.m.

    If they are lucky they will make the NIT. One more choke game and it will an early spring.

  • JayDee West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 13, 2017 7:03 p.m.

    @ 83ute, desperadoute , et.al

    A previous poster made the ute football comparison, mine was just a follow up.

    You are all inserting BYU references that are nowhere in my post. Why?

    The Utes lost to Stanford (BPI of 138 and 9th place in PAC 12 in basketball.) and that alone could keep them from NCAAs. That's about the equivalent of the Cal loss in football , but not as bad as an Oregon football loss.

    Rebuttals...

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Feb. 13, 2017 5:46 p.m.

    If Utah plays BYU-Provo, the story to watch won't be the histrionics of BYU-P's players...it will be whether Utah can put up 125 points on that "defense".

  • NevadaCoug Overton, NV
    Feb. 13, 2017 5:45 p.m.

    Revisionist history like that spewed by GoRed is the reason I have a hard time respecting Utah "fans".

  • burningblue Provo, UT
    Feb. 13, 2017 5:31 p.m.

    At this point I'm just happy to see the Y make some progress. NCAA is a long shot, NIT is a long ways off. The only thing that really matters is the progress that the Y makes from now until the end of the year. I bet its the same for the U. Both teams wanted to make the NCAA in their first year with a pretty, but that isn't going to happen. Fans need to be patient and enjoy watching these teams grow. Both will most likely make the tourney next year.

  • Originalflyinhawaiian Yakima, WA
    Feb. 13, 2017 4:31 p.m.

    It's unfortunate but true, this year BYU is not at the level they need to be to be in the dance. In fact, they're lucky to get into the NIT. and that comes from a staunch Cougar fan. But I am excited about them in two years, maybe even next year.

  • USAlover Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 13, 2017 4:13 p.m.

    If the NIT has any sense about them, they would schedule a BYU-Utah game in the Marriott Center ASAP.

    I'd love to see it. And I'm sure the Ute fans would too.

  • 83Ute Ogden/Weber, UT
    Feb. 13, 2017 3:48 p.m.

    @JayDee (3:11 pm):

    "Utah fans have overrated their place in a conference that has quality at the very top that they can't defeat, an average middle tier where they find themselves, and some dreadful teams at the bottom, one or two of which they happen to lose to after a good start."

    I agree that Utah hasn't been able to beat the top of the league. But their conference losses are to the top four (#14, 15, 20, and 41) and a middle of the road #86. Utah has beaten the bottom of the league (110, 124 (x2), 182 (x2), and 240). Utah has no losses to "dreadful" teams this year, unless you consider the WCC #4 team, San Francisco, dreadful which comes in at #108.

  • DesperadoUte Salt Lake, UT
    Feb. 13, 2017 3:42 p.m.

    JayDee....we've still beaten your team the past 6 in a row.....so where does that place your team now that you've brought football into it? It must be great playing a non-majority P5 schedule and an absolute cupcake schedule in mid-October to November end.

    Since this article is about BYU, I'll make a prediction....if BYU ends up playing Utah in the NIT, Utah gets the victory.....mark it down. But what else is new....BYU will need to get used to losing to the Utes in both football and basketball.

  • GoRed WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Feb. 13, 2017 3:33 p.m.

    @Jimbo Low

    Coach K never had a problem playing a basketball game against your Cougars---as long as they can play with decent sportsmanship. But, following the trend set by BYU football players at the infamous Miami Brawl Bowl, as well as other incidents like the cheap shot at the Boise State player and Langi's shot at the defenseless USU player, the rest of us are wondering what has got into the BYU athletic program. Coach K was right in getting out of scheduling the Utah-BYU game until its athletic department shows some guts and condemns this recurring behavior.

  • JayDee West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 13, 2017 3:11 p.m.

    Just like football, Utah fans have overrated their place in a conference that has quality at the very top that they can't defeat, an average middle tier where they find themselves, and some dreadful teams at the bottom, one or two of which they happen to lose to after a good start that shuts down dreams of further postseason glory.

  • LosLencas Provo, UT
    Feb. 13, 2017 3:03 p.m.

    CV Storm

    Sorry but your comment confuses me a little. I haven't talked to a single BYU fan that is pleased with how this season has turned out, nor are they at all happy with making the NIT. Like you said though, best of luck to both teams in the NIT. I would love to see them meet up in the tournament.

  • LoveTheKittens Central, UT
    Feb. 13, 2017 2:56 p.m.

    Too bad for us church ball will be over by then, no b-ball in April.

  • CV Storm Hyrum, UT
    Feb. 13, 2017 2:37 p.m.

    Interesting dynamics regarding the expectations of both teams. The Cougs fans seem to be ecstatic that they are a 4th seed in a NIT regional, while the Utes are disappointed with the 3rd seed in the same regional in the same tournament. As an outside observer it is interesting how the expectations of both fan bases have evolved since the Utes joined the PAC 12 and the Cougars went Independent. Best wishes to both team in the tournament, it would be wonderful to see them get matched up in a game so one of the teams could prove their superiority on the court, rather than their fan bases hashing it out with worthless rhetoric on the internet.

  • Jimbo Low PLEASANT GROVE, UT
    Feb. 13, 2017 2:27 p.m.

    If the NIT sets up a BYU - Utah matchup and it happens to be a the Marriott Center...will Larry buy his way out of the "rough" matchup again? Before he runs out of money, maybe he should consider playing the game. Who knows if the chips fall right the Utes might even win! If not the game--probably the Golden Globe afterward.

  • mightymite , 00
    Feb. 13, 2017 2:27 p.m.

    There is still much work to do even for an NIT bid. I think it's a little early to be looking so far ahead.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Feb. 13, 2017 2:11 p.m.

    Just like football...beating byu would bring little if any consolation.

  • Alpine Coug Alpine, UT
    Feb. 13, 2017 2:10 p.m.

    Intrigued with a possible match-up with Utah if BYU is invited to the NIT. Let it happen!