I didn't really want to think about what he will be remembered for. I want
to forget. But in reality the 5% of the people who now get their
healthcare with welfare insurance instead of just plain welfare medicaid
won't be at all memorable. The foreign policy failures that have brought us
ISIS will not be pinned to him. The media, who writes our history, will see to
that. What will he be remembered? It is so simple and so expected.
He was the first black president. And that is about all.
Richard Davis: "Relations with allies are better than in 2008."What???When asked to assess Obama's presidency Jimmy Carter
said: "On the world stage, I think they’ve been minimal. I think
he’s done some good things domestically, like the health program and so
forth. But on the world stage, just to be as objective about it as I can, I
can’t think of many nations in the world where we have a better
relationship now than we did when he took over."And trust me,
Jimmy Carter knows all about losing respect around the world.
@Cora Smith. I'm not a Trump supporter or an Obama supporter or a
Clinton supporter. And, if I had lived in Utah, I would have voted for
McMullin--not because he was qualified, but to send a message to the DNC and
RNC.Having said that, your accusations of Trump are pretty accurate.
But, many of the same accusations could easily apply to Obama and Clinton. For
example, your first accusation--lying. This is a grey area at best for Obama,
and pretty black and white for Hillary Clinton.As to creating
businesses that defraud, well, Obama and Hillary Clinton never created any
businesses that I know of. So, its kind of hard to compare Trump and
Obama/Clinton on that point.As for holding elected office, well, in
case you missed it, at least half of America does not think that is a
qualification any more.And as to abusing women, Hillary was at least
unsympathetic to her husband's accusers. And, she is still choosing to be
married to a guy that has been accused of it--multiple times.The
world is not as black and white as we like to think it is.
If Obama is not remembered as Saul Alinsky's most effective acolyte, it
will be because of a complicit media's failure to vet them both. Hopefully
the Deseret News is above that kind of collusion and will out the truth.God Bless America. God Bless President-elect Donald Trump.
In his farewell address, which he has given a few, he spent 49 minutes reselling
himself. Schooling us on why we don't know how good he was as a president.
Seventy five times he talked about himself. That means he referred to himself
once very two minutes. A truly good president would not have to
resell himself at the end of his term. But as a true narcissistic
he has an exaggerated feel of self-importance, an excessive need for admiration,
and a lack of understanding of others' feelings. He has spent a lot of
time thinking about achieving power or success, and about his appearance.
I must say, I'm really concerned with Republican supporters or Trump voters
who talk bad about President Obama. If Trump is/was a good Christian that
had never lied, never committed adultery, never cheated his employees, never
created businesses that defrauded our citizens, never bragged about abusing
women in the most degrading ways, had held elected office before with success
and was looked up to for his integrity, that would be one thing.But he is
not that person.Obama is being falsely accused of ruining our economy and
hurting our populace. Very false.Why is it that normally decent Christian
people have no trouble telling false stories and making up things about Obama
while supporting someone like Trump? It's easy enough to look up the
facts, but that would destroy the falsehoods of the mind. Very sad for people
who are afraid of not only believing in decency, but living all aspects of
morals and decency which include; Do not tell falsehoods. If you want to support
a person who does not have your morals and sense of decency...why do you?
@2 bits"Forbes is more impartial than some politico posting their
opinion in the DesNews."If Redshirt's reference was
actually a Forbes article, investigated researched by a Forbes writer, you might
have an argument. Except Redshirt didn't reference a Forbes-authored
article. Redshirt referenced an op-ed in Forbes, authored by Peter Ferrara, who
is the Director of Entitlement Policy at the Heartland Institute.Are
you claiming that the Heartland Institute is impartial and non-partisan? Are
you claiming that Heartland Institute's opinions and standards reflect
Forbes opinions and standards...because right there at the top of the op-ed
Redshirt referenced, Forbes states "The opinions expressed are those of the
writer."Redshirt made an opinion as fact claim, supported that
claim not with raw data, a peer reviewed study, nor any objective analysis,
instead citing an opinion letter from a staunch Conservative think tank.
President Obama will be remembered as a better man. Sadly, Trump
will never achieve the level of respect President Obama has achieved.
Who would you trust on economic analysis... Forbes or silo?Who is more
impartial... Forbes or silo?Who is more partisan... Forbes or silo?I know he may claim to do more research than Forbes... but really... is
silo more impartial than Forbes?Google "Forbes |
AllSides"... (a media bias ranking group)."Forbes bias rating is
Center"... (meaning neither Left or Right)I doubt silo's
bias ranking would be "Center".As for his claim...
"I'm more likely to gather cross-section of business and economic data,
more likely to assess that data objectively"... I think that's
malarkey.Forbes is more impartial than some politico posting their
opinion in the DesNews.
"While many European nations struggled with austerity measures, the U.S.
stimulated its economy. The result was dramatic. The U.S. economy bounced back
much faster than those of other nations."A lot of those European
nations had double-dip or even triple-dip recessions pursuing the Republican
policy of austerity.
To "silo" as I pointed out at 9:35 today, the more data you look at, the
worse Obama look when it comes to the Recession and the economy.The
only indicators that make Obama look good are the Stock Market and unemployment
numbers. Things that actually matter to US Citizens all show that Obama has
been terrible.Is it a good thing that the average US wage is down
$5000? Is it good that fewer people are working than at any other time in the
past 50 years? Is it good that the U6 unemployment rate is still close to 10%?
Is it good that employers are limiting part time employees hours? Is it good
that the teen unemployment rate is so high? Is it a good sign that interest
rates can't be raised, which means you earn virtually nothing when you save
money at a bank?We know you love Obama, but you have to accept the
fact that like a wayward child, Obama has messed up a lot.
Liberals will forever say he was a great President, one of the best
ever.Conservatives will forever say he was a bad President. Predictable.I'm conservative so I feel he was a major disappointment. He could
have done so much more and he receives credit from liberals for things he
didn't really do. For example, Obama gets too much credit for ending the
recession of 2007-2009. However, the US government says it ended in June 2009,
just 5 months after Obama took office. In reality, the recession was already in
a steep decline because of actions taken by George W. Bush. Obama rode out the
last few months and gladly took credit for ending the recession.
@patriot"are you saying you know more about business and economics
than people who study it and report on it"No, I'm saying
I'm more likely to gather cross-section of business and economic data, more
likely to assess that data objectively, regardless of president or party and
more likely to form objective opinions than a partisan op-ed, in a partisan news
site, written by a partisan author working for a partisan organization. In addition, when I can spot obvious contradictions in that authors
published article, his credibility comes into question. In one paragraph, he
claims that unemployment was over 8% during Obama's first term, and
simultaneously claims that unemployment was never over 8% since 1948. The
authors claims only influence those who will never bother to test his
Slow learners! My guess is it will take the slobbering left, which includes
Davis, at least another 18 months to learn that wishful thinking doesn't
actually translate into truth or facts. This is how long they have been wrong
about Trump. They have been wrong about bho 5 times that long, so maybe it will
be much longer then 18 months. (wishful thinking on my part)
To "silo" are you saying you know more about business and economics than
people who study it and report on it.If you bothered to look at the
numbers, Obama did a terrible job with the economy and the recession. As has
already been pointed out, GDP growth is not what it was even under Bush. The
Labor Participation rate is at a 50 year low. It took Obama 7 years to get the
U6 unemployment rate below Bush's high. Deficits are higher than at any
other time. More small businesses are closing than are starting up. The
average US wage has DROPPED by over $5,000 per year. The number of people
receiving food stamps has nearly DOUBLED since 2008. The number of people
retiring rather than looking for jobs has increased.If the recession
is over and things are so good, why are Preppers no longer a fringe group but
becoming more mainstream?The thing is when you start looking at the
primary economic indicators, not just 1 or 2, you see that Obama has done a poor
job with the recession.
"A main goal of Obamacare was achieved: the percentage of Americans without
health insurance has dropped precipitously."I would argue that
fewer people today have health insurance than before he took office. Sure, lots
of people may have a piece of paper that says 'you have health
insurance', but if your premiums and deductibles are so high that every
dollar spent comes out of your own pocket, is that really insurance? How many
people skip going to the doctor because they can't afford the sky-high
deductibles?Like most things Obama has done, it might look good on
the outside; but once you look a little deeper you realize that much of it is
just a facade.
as the weakest president since Jimmy Carter
Mr. Obama will be remembered as the golfing president who failed at everything
that he promised to do. ObamaCare is over. BLM mocks everything that he told
us about racism. He gave away a huge chunk of Utah. For those who tell us that
Utah is 66% "public lands", let them show Constitutional authority for
the Federal Government to "own" 66% of Utah. He knew nothing about
running a business, yet he pretended to be America's CEO. He mocked every
person in America who believes in Christ. He tried to open our children's
restrooms to people of the opposite sex. He sold guns to drug dealers in Mexico.
What a legacy.Obama will be remembered - but not for any reason
who cares? The 8 year nightmare is over now!!!
I could write a book about the last 'ugly' 8 years but let me just
remind left wing Richard Davis of a couple of facts and this should create some
historical perspective.1. Democrats lost the last two congressional
mid terms all due to Obama's policies. 2. Democrats lost state
governor races (I believe 36) all due to Obama's policies3. Democrats
lost the presidency to Donald Trump all due to Obama's policies.4.
70% of Americas polled over the past 8 years believe America is on the WRONG
track5. Overall the Democrats have lost over 1000 seats nationally all due
to Obama's policiesIf history looked kindly on Mr. Obama
Hillary Clinton would have easily won the 2016 election. As bad a candidate as
Hillary was she had nothing to run with thanks to Mr. Obama. Before
the 2016 election season started Mr. Obama's approvals were in the mid 30
percent range and only rose after people lost focus on him for 14 months during
the election. The focus was on Hillary. People rejected Barack Obama
Richard -- that is why Trump is our new president elect!! Obama was the worst
president in the last century -- easily!!
@redshirt"The recession ended in 2009 despite any of Obama."Are you really citing an op-ed in Forbes, authored by the Heartland
Institute as support for your claim? How about providing something a bit more
credible and unbiased?
Happy Valley Heretic 11:39 a.m.I didn't say I'm the victim
of racism.... don't speak for me.I just pointed out that it
still exists. And that the racial-divide may be wider today than it was when
he took office.And I'm disappointed he didn't give a big
speech specifically on race, like Romney's speech on religion.I
really thought Obama was uniquely qualified to make big improvements in this
area. I just don't think he delivered. You may disagree and think he
totally did away with the racial divide. I don't see it that way when I
watch the news.
I will remember Pres. Obama fondly, as an inspiring figure, a model of decency
and dignity, a truly exemplary father. I will remember him for
trying to help the helpless, for seeking peace through diplomacy, for
championing those who couldn't get health care.I will remember
him for his extraordinary record of reverence and preservation of our treasured
lands. I will remember him for guiding us steadily out of the
terrible mess of torture, useless wars, and economic meltdown of the Bush
years.I will also remember those who threw a wrench into every
single thing he tried to do, and the people of ill will who could not STAND to
see a black man in the White House. I know who they are. I have listened to
their rants for years. Don't tell me they don't exist because I know
Obama was not a perfect President but America was in good hands with him at the
helm. There were no major scandals during his two terms and the ones Republican
opponents tried to drum up were overwrought and revoltingly partisan in
nature.He’s a level-headed leader with a sense of history and
America’s place in the world. Always looking towards the future and
unafraid to take stands that he knew might cost him support like the tough
stands he took on gun violence. That took guts and integrity. He fell short on
much of what he tried to accomplish but he ran the race and fought the good
fight. He never shamed us in the eyes of the world. He inspired and gave hope to
millions.Thank you, Mr. President. Hope to be seeing and hearing
more from you in the future.
@ Marxist: The federal government meddling in the housing market during the
Clinton administration caused the last recession. Socialism, like everywhere it
has been tried, has failed and it always will because sooner or later they
always run out of other people's money! Karl Marx got it wrong! I work,
you eat, get free healtcare, free housing! When the government robs Peter to pay
Paul, eventually Peter will just stop working! Sort of like socialist Hugo
Chavez learned in Venezuela, once the most prosperous capitalist country in S.
Obama will be remembered for running up the national debt from about 10 trillion
to 19 trillion, while allowing the Federal Reserve to print about another 2.5
trillion. That means about 11.5 trillion dollars was printed during the Obama
presidency. With about 320 million people in the U.S., that means $35,937
(~36k) per person was printed. So if you have a family of four he printed 144k
just for you. Despite all this money printing and his loyal
followers believing (still) he really wanted to lower the cost of healthcare,
the cost of healthcare skyrocketed and taxes went up. So how much of
your 36k did you actually get?
I don't think Richard Davis has a grasp of reality. Lets do the easy
disproof of his statements:Racial relations are worse than ever.
His efforts have only made things worse. See "Race Relations Are at Lowest
Point in Obama Presidency, Poll Finds" in the NY TimesThe
recession ended in 2009 despite any of Obama. See "Economically, Could
Obama Be America's Worst President?" in ForbesAs for
Obamacare, yes some people now have insurance, but it would have been cheaper to
just buy them insurance than to implement Obamacare. The CBO estimates that it
costs $134 billion/year for Obamacare, which means that assuming the 20 million
that are now insured average out to families of 4 people, we could have saved 60
billion or more just by buying insurance for those people. You can also go into
how Obamacare has made the population less healthy.As for the Common
Core that Obama has helped to push, I think Richard missed the article in US
News where they found that "Student Scores in Reading and Math Drop".
Wasn't CC supposed to make things better?
@thid"Did you support Ben Carson?"Marxist's
question to you is not a matter of whether you supported Barack Obama or not.
Its the simple fact that you either don't believe he's accomplished a
single positive thing in 8 years, or you simply can't bring yourself to
admit it.When you won't even acknowledge the real, tangible,
irrefutable things Obama has done, or when you falsely accuse Obama of doing
things he didn't actually do, then the explanation has to lie elsewhere,
because it's not fact- nor logic-based.
@Vermonter " He [Obama] got us out of the Great Recesssion. But, it was
done, for the most part, by continuing emergency policies established by Hank
Paulson and Obama's predecessor. "No so, and I was watching
developments intently 2008-2009.
@Prometheus Platypus"Not Utah Land, but Public land inside of
the State"Isn't "Public land inside of the state of
Utah" the same thing as saying "Utah land"?"Unilateral" means "without the agreement of the other involved
parties." No one in Utah's state government agreed to the monument,
including Rep. Bishop. No one in Congress agreed to the designation either, for
that matter. Therefore it was in fact a unilateral action on the
president's part. Yes, he may authentically have the authority
to perform a designation unilaterally, but it shows a characteristic disregard
of his political opponent's concerns to do so. Simply put, Pres. Obama
designated the monument to score political points with environmentalists - his
political supporters - and humiliate his political opponents.
Richard Davis: How will Barack Obama be remembered?==== Barack Obama will be remembered as the LAST President of the United States.The era of America's Kingsman and Gadianton's has finally
@ Marxist: Did you support Ben Carson? Nope! Does that make you a racist?
Becareful what you accusations you throw around!
@Traveller;I will remember him as someone who did an incredible job
faced with the most obstructionist Republican congress ever.@2
bits;When I thought about what I would remember him for, the color
of his skin didn't even occur to me.@Thid Barker;You don't get your own facts; ISIS is a direct result of the actions of a
Republican President. Nothing will ever change that fact.
@Thid "Liberals have selective memory syndrome! They won't remember
all the red ink Obama left behind, more than all other previous presidents
combined!"I am not a liberal, but I am well aware of the red
ink. Obama successfully dealt with the second greatest breakdown of American
capitalism, which accounted for the red ink. Why do Obama bashers
like you Thid not want to grant Obama any legitimacy.? I think it because
he's black, in other words white rage.
2 bits said: "Obviously he will be remembered as the first black President.
Don't know why color of President's skin matters, but it does to some
people."The irony, as you go on to blame Obama for all the
racism that has happened during his presidency, of course you only mention black
on white racism in your comment which is what I find most conservatives
believe...that they are the victim of racism.
@Marxist.Economic Historians are a pretty thin slice of the American
public.However, honest economic historians would say that
Obama's legacy is mixed at best. He got us out of the Great Recesssion.
But, it was done, for the most part, by continuing emergency policies
established by Hank Paulson and Obama's predecessor. The
official, reported unemployment rate is now below 5%. But, labor participation
is at its lowest rate in the past 50 years. And, teen unemployment in general,
but especially for minorities, is a travesty.GDP growth has been
positive for most of Obama's terms. But, GDP growth has been the weakest
of any recovery in the past 50+ years.The trillion-dollar,
shovel-ready stimulus largely went to state and local government workers who
successfully avoided any of the pain experienced in the private sector during
the Great Recession.And, we now have a $20T national debt as opposed
to the $9T racked up by Bush 43 due largely to wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Candidate Obama told us that $9T was "unpatriotic." Not sure what
Candidate Obama would call $20T.
President Obama was the epitome of grace and accomplishment against obstruction
and obfuscation. Add to that style, family values and class. We'll miss him soon.
Liberals have selective memory syndrome! They won't remember all the red
ink Obama left behind, more than all other previous presidents combined!They won't remember the Syrian mess he helped perpetrate nor will they
remember ISIS (the JV league) he allowed to invade Iraq and Afghanistan when he
pulled troops out to soon; huge blunders all! They won't remember the
economic decline of the middle class in America under his watch which cost
Hillary the election! They won't remember the class, race, economic and
gender wars he fanned the flames of during his administration! What will they
remember? That he was a good husband and father and most importantly, that he
wasn't a dreaded Republican!
Obviously he will be remembered as the first black President. Don't know
why color of President's skin matters, but it does to some people.He will also be remembered as one of our better Presidents. Not the "best
ever" (as some of my friends insist).RE: "Barack Obama will
be remembered as the president who helped the country take a major stride
towards ending racism"...---Seriously Richard... What has he
done to end racism? Name one act or one thing he has said to end
racism. I think the racial divide is worse today.Have
you seen the race riots?Ferguson, Baltimore, Portland, Oakland,
Batton Ruge, Milwaukee, Charlotte, Chicago, Texas, California, even people
injured at BLM protests in Utah?How many cops have been killed by
radicalized racist this year alone?Read "Obama Legacy Marred By
Growing Number Of Race Riots" or "Whites Hunted on Streets of
Milwaukee"or "Race Relations at Lowest Point in Obama Presidency,
Poll Finds"...Seems race divide is getting worse, not better.8 years in office, never gave a speech on race?Good
President, but did nothing on race IMO.
Regarding Obamacare, it is failing for one reason and one reason only:
Republicans determined to oppose the ACA from the start, even though it is
pretty much patterned after conservative ideas, because they had promised to
obstruct Obama in everything he did. This included refusing to expand Medicaid
coverage in conservative states like Utah. In states like California that
supported the ACA, it has been very successful. Republicans refused many
opportunities to amend and improve the ACA, preferring instead to attempt to
repeal the law dozens of times, most of these efforts being simply empty message
statements.Well, now the shoe is on the other foot. The Republicans
can gut the ACA with a slim majority vote. But they have to come up with a
replacement plan that is so superior to Obamacare that it will attract the
required 60 votes in the Senate. Good luck. In seven years, the GOP has failed
to come up with anything even resembling a coherent plan. But they have to
concoct a plan that provides the benefits that Obamacare does and somehow meets
their own silly ideological constraints. The chance of that happening? Less than
@Vermonter "For the most part, Barack Obama will not be long-remembered for
what he actually did..."For economic historians this is
definitely not true.
President Obama will be remembered as the President who saved America, after the
Republicans worked so hard to destroy it!Thank you Mr PRESIDENT for
a job well done.
stevo123, I am referring to the closures in 2013 of such places as the WWII and
Vietnam War monuments on the national mall in DC, which it probably took more
money to barricade off than it would have to keep it open. Other monuments he
closed at the time include Mt. Rushmore, the St. Louis Gateway Arch, and the
Grand Canyon.I don't think Sen. Lee had anything to do with any
of those closures.
Traveller said: "Or when he unilaterally gave even more Utah land to the
federal government without any discussion with our local leaders."Not Utah Land, but Public land inside of the State, why is it so hard for
conservatives to be honest? Without discussion, that's another
untruth in one sentence. Was Bishop not given every chance to create a
plan? Did Bishop meet with anyone who didn't approve of his plan, or
didn't pay him in contributions?...and then Obama still shrunk
the size down to what Bishop had proposed, minus the give away to extractive
industries.Thats' just one sentence, the rest of your opinion
is just that, and lacks facts and truth.
He'll be remember fondly as the President who had to fight a recession and
the childish behavior of a congress, that had time to try and repeal the ACA 60
times but couldn't find time to do anything else, including that replace
part they spoke of.
Each individual, given their circumstances in the past 8 years, will have their
own individual assessment of Obama's legacy. And, it is telling that those
assessments seem to be sharply divided.But, perhaps the broadest
remembrance of Obama will be that he was stylish, fashionable, and, well, cool.
And for more than half of Americans, that coolness rubbed off on each individual
as they voted for Barack Obama. (However, down to its most basic and simple
level, for most Americans, their vote for Obama was proof to themselves and to
their closest friends that America had overcome its past.)For the
most part, Barack Obama will not be long-remembered for what he actually did,
but much more so for what he represented to each individual American.
Traveler, Mike Lee owns the National Parks closure, I think Obama will be
remembered as a good, if not great President.
"It is likely neither side will be objective in their analysis of the two
terms of the 44th president."Many "posts" about Mr.
Obama's farewell speech substantiate your above statement.
I will remember him as someone everyone had great expectations for who then
proved not up to the job. For example, winning the Nobel Peace yet
proving unable to keep Iraq at peace (despite it being handed to him that way),
unable to keep Russia in check, and unwilling to provide any leadership over
Syria's civil war, leading to the largest refugee crisis ever.I will
remember him as a nice guy in public who never reached out to his political
opponents and who preferred to force his views on others through executive
orders and working around the law rather than through negotiating and making
sure the other guy got some of what he wanted too. Obamacare is merely the
largest example of this. I will remember him as someone who was always
willing to score political points rather than do what was right - like when he
unnecessarily closed national monuments during the sequestration budget battle.
Or when he unilaterally gave even more Utah land to the federal government
without any discussion with our local leaders.Don't let the
door hit you on the way out, Mr. President.