Hey Brer Rabbit -"The liberal democrats that blame the Electoral
College and the Russians for Hillary's loss sound just like the
"birthers" that claimed for years that Obama was not a "Natural Born
Citizen." "WRONGThe two have nothing in
common.The Birther message is purely a lie.On the other
hand, the Russians DID interfere in our elections to help Trump win.Even Trump said he thinks the Russians hacked into the DNC."I
think the Russians did it." - Donald Trump"President Barack
Obama was born in the United States." - Donald TrumpSee the
"Liberal Democrats continue to attempt to delegitimize the results of the
recent presidential election . . . "WrongLiberals
have nothing to do with the fact that that the election was not legitimate.And Liberals have nothing to do with the fact that Donald Trump is not
the legitimate President of the United States.Perhaps you should
blame the Russian-Republican coalition for that.Putin knows that
Republican leadership weakens our nation. That's why he worked to arrange
a Republican sweep.I wonder how it feels to be allied with our
nation's enemies? . . . United against the best interests of America.Luckily I will never know. I'm a Democrat.
"One could argue with credibility that he won by an overwhelming majority,
which he in fact did."No, his electoral vote win was by small
(1%) victories in three states (MI WI PA) and FL was also only about a 1.3% gap.
He lost the popular vote by a couple million. "Take away the
votes from California and Trump wins the popular vote as well. "About as relevant as saying that if we take away the states that seceded in
the Civil War then Hillary crushes him in the popular vote and wins the
diminished electoral vote.
The liberal democrats that blame the Electoral College and the Russians for
Hillary's loss sound just like the "birthers" that claimed for
years that Obama was not a "Natural Born Citizen." Liberal Democrats
gave no credibility to the birthers, and so now their claims that the Electoral
College and the Russians caused their loss deserves no credibility.
In mid October the Democrats and their media were loving the electorial college
and now they hate it. I wonder why???
Hahahaha - You're only making the case for doing away with the electoral
college. Trump did win more states than Obama but also got 3,000,000 less votes
than his challenger which illustrates that states with small populations have
more influence on the election. In other words fewer voters have more
influence than a majority of voters. I know you are happy that Tweeter Supreme
won the election but can you really say that is fair?
Pure Baloney. Good grief, let it go. Trump will be President next week.
Fortunately most Americans can tell the difference between Hillary and Obama,
nor do they believe all Democrats nor all Republicans are little clones of one
another.I really wish we would move on and quit trying to over
simplify our world into two nicely divided camps of us versus them. Trump beat
the Clintons - few Americans wanted to go through yet another "Clinton"
There is a new word is emerging in the Trump era. It is called
"gas-lighting". It means that no matter how much truth is shown about
Trump, even his own words and actions, there is blatant denial that these things
were said or actions done. Kellyanne Conway is a prime example of this type of
dishonesty. The mocking of the disabled reporter is now being gas-lighted by
the Trump group and his supporters. They claim this never happened????? Are we
really that dumb as citizens? Yet we all know that there is a video of that
horrible action. We all know what he has said, but a narcissist
will then deny he said or did what we all saw. . This type of gas-lighting is
going on in the Trump camp and is supported by the uneducated Trump supporters
who really do know in their minds that this is true, but use rationalization to
say it really didn't happen. This can cause a mental disorder called
Cognitive Dissonance. That is when the truth is right there, but mentally the
individual can't accept it. So they twist facts in their mind to match
their preconceived realities. Trump is being held to the fire by his own
party, not just the Democrats.
I was thinking decline too when I notice the Dow close to 20,000 and gas prices
below two bucks. Yes, I remember the good old days in 2008 when my 401K
instantly became a 200.5K and paying $4 plus at the pump. Maybe The Donald can
bring those back, it would be awesome to not have this sort of decline
The election results were a true reflection of what everyone already knew. Mrs.
bill was a vapid candidate who had nothing to offer except the same old warmed
over, big steaming pile of government worship and dependency. Not to mention
that she is an evil human being with lots of baggage in the lack of morals
department. Trump won well over 300 electoral college votes, just as the self
absorbed bho did in 2012. Trump won 5 more states then bho did in 2012. Bho and
supporters considered that win in 2012 a landslide, so the way I see it, Trump
could do the same for 2016. You can cook the numbers any way you want. The fact
is NY and California provided the margin for mrs. bills popular vote count.
Trump didn't spend any resources in those 2 states, because he knew is
wasn't just about the popular vote.
What decline? You use this word as meaningless, unsubstantiated, generalized
rhetoric. Have any specifics? Do you mean decline in teen pregnancies,
abortions, violent crime rates, unemployment, federal deficits, government
spending growth, the uninsured, gas prices since mid-2009, when Obama could
actually start implementing his policies? Terrible!
You know, it would be nice if everyone governed as a team rather than have
political parties battling against each other, constantly. But I guess
we'll have to wait for quite a while before that can happen. I mean, after
all, you can't force people to believe the same things as you (at least not
without causing malice).
@ JoeCapitalist2, free press? Trump was the master of free press. What are you
Happy Valley Heretic: "Well lets investigate at a tenth of the effort they
investigated Hillary..."I see your point. After all the press
gave Donald Trump a free pass like it did to Obama. During the campaign we never
heard anything about his tweets, his controversial positions, or his gaffes at
the podium. They completely white-washed anything controversial about Trump on
the nightly news and in the newspapers. Voters were left completely in the dark
about all the flaws that the left saw in Trump.Is that what you are
"Take away the votes from California and Trump wins the popular vote as
well."??? Take away the 80,000 votes that combined in three states where he
won by a surprise (Pennsylvania - 22,000, Michigan - 10,700 and Wisconsin -
49,000) and Trump loses the election. That's 80,000 of 139,000,000 or .05
of 1% of the votes, that put Donald Trump over the top. There are
just two things I'd like to say - 1. He didn't win a landside as he
claims and 2. of all the things those who oppose Trump have said about him, no
one has claimed he wasn't a citizen of this nation.The
revelations that seem to coming forth every day as we inch closer to the
inauguration are getting interesting.
Republican supporters believe in party over country. Even if they support a
proven corrupt and immoral person.If it's so important for voting
middle class Americans to see Trumps greatness and the excellent way the
Republicans have taken care of the working class citizens, then it should be
easy to list the actions taken by the Republicans that have lasted for years or
decades helping the middle class and it's workers.What exactly are
they?Anti affordable healthcare?Anti unions?Anti minimum wage
raises?Anti public education?Anti Planned Parenthood support which
supports care for the poor women?Anti Obama Jobs bill which would have
employed millions and sparked the economy?Need I go on? Again, what
does the Republicans and Trump offer the little people?
"A corrupt career politician has born the wrath of the American
electorate."Ben, Ben, Ben, you've been drinking the
far-right Kool-Aid for too long. Hillary has been vilified by the right for so
long, and yet what have they come up with. The big issue for this go-around was
her email server. The Russians made sure it stayed front and center. But in the
end, what was the result? As usual, nothing. She is not a crook. She has never
been found guilty of anything. But when almost half the country take innuendo
and accusation as fact, well, it's an uphill battle.Any way you
slice it, this election was stolen. Clinton lost the electoral college, but won
the popular vote by about 2.9 million. She lost largely because of foreign
tampering, the FBI director's outrageous meddling, and the fact that many
Americans would rather believe outright lies than facts and innuendo rather than
common sense. If the media had made this election about the issues instead of
rumor and accusation, it would have been a landslide. But it is what it is, and
America is about to find out what four years of Trump can do to a prosperous
JoeCapitalist2 said: "Both candidates knew the rules going into the
election. Trump won according to the rules. "Well lets
investigate at a tenth of the effort they investigated Hillary and we'll
see if he cheated, but it's not looking like he played by the rules.
More baseless fact free fake news from the right wing. With letters
like these, who needs divisive characters like Putin or Trump?Repubs, here it is 2 months after the election. When are you going to attempt
to unify this country? Where's the leadership? Your letters all seem to be
the same, "Neener neener neener!" When's the campaign
going to end and the leadership begin?Get Educated
@ JoeCapitalist2 , what seems to be lost on you is that it isn't the left,
or liberals, or Democrats who raise the issue here. It's one of your own.
I think most people are in fact moving on, to address a President who may have
been compromised and blackmailed, and what we do with that now. So will you
move on and do the right thing for America, advocating a thorough and honest
investigation into the matter? After all, Republicans have Mike Pence in their
back pocket if Trump goes down.
Ben, with everything that's been said, I don't think that campaign
rhetoric against Clinton, none of which has gone anywhere except pushing her
into a loss, compares to the corruption of and surrounding Trump. Trump is
making Nixon and his team look like choirboys.I still don't get
why Trump supporters say stuff like "without California Trump would have won
the popular vote." Could we not say the same - "without the deep South,
Clinton would have won the Electoral College"? Isn't California part
of the United States? And is a California vote less valuable than a vote from
any other state? Arguments like the ones you make are nonsense.
Both candidates knew the rules going into the election. Trump won according to
the rules. Game over. All the Monday quarterbacks want to debate whether the
outcome would or would not be different if the rules had been different. Who
knows who would have won the popular vote if both candidates had campaigned
based on the winner being determined by that. It is useless to keep rehashing
that argument.Conservatives are more than willing to let the subject
drop, but we won so that is what we want. It is the Democrats that are
constantly pointing out over and over again that 'Trump didn't win the
popular vote' in an effort to undermine his presidency. As long as that
continues, I don't think the issue will die.
With the writers logic then Bill Clintons victory was a rejection of Reagan and
bush seniors policy's and Obamas victories were a rejection of bush and
Romney policy's.The truth is the democrats lost because the
party insisted Clinton should be the nominee even though she had a lot of
It's not just liberal democrats who point out the flaws in trump's
claim of a landslide. Conservative democrats do, too. I imagine a number of
people in other pigeon holes of your accusation do, too. Yes, within our
current system trump 'won'. He did not win the raw vote, however. And
even in terms of the electoral college, his performance is towards the bottom of
the ranking of all US presidential elections. One cannot argue anything
'overwhelming' about it. The electoral college system needs to
be dismantled because it is anti democratic. In this, and all other, elections.
There are times we're 50 states and times we're 300 ish million
people. We are people when we vote for the president. We do not 'take
away' California; they're no less American than we are.Let's fix the system.
If you counted only the votes from SLC and not the rest of the state, since they
don't contribute as much economically, than Clinton wins our 6 electoral
votes. See how silly and disingenuous that sounds.More people in this
country wanted "a 3rd term" of Obama to put it in your terms. Trump won
the electoral college, so he's POTUS. Clinton won the popular vote so
she's retired. Let's move on to the investigations and put the
election behind us.
Trump won. Barely. Technically. With the assistance of a hostile foreign
power and an FBI director violating the Hatch Act.I can understand
why Trump and his supporters prefer to point out the Electoral College
difference or invent fictions about millions of illegally cast votes.
"Donald Trump was elected to prevent a further decline of the America that
most of us know and love. "I had no idea there could be such a
radically different definition of "decline" as offered by this writer.
Since 2009 the changes in our economy, unemployment rate, uninsured
rate, rate of inflation in healthcare costs, rate of growth of the national
debt, stock market, international stature, all have all moved in directions that
indicate anything but "decline."If your idea of
"decline" is improved equal treatment under the law for all citizens,
then yes, you're probably not going to be happy.
Ben's attempt to turn Trump's win into a a voting majority as well as
an electoral vote win is a little like praising Custer for his wise leadership -
except for that little scuffle at the Little Big Horn. You can't reach a
fair conclusion by simply leaving out California.
Mr. Booth, if there is an effort to delegitimize Trump's presidency, the
evidence suggests that Trump's behavior - now and before the election - is
enabling it.Re: "Take away the votes from California and Trump
wins the popular vote as well."This argument really needs to be
tabled. It's saying, "Take away votes of certain Americans and my guy
wins the popular vote too!" Okay. Take away the votes of Trump voters in
red states and Hillary wins the EC vote too.That's how
meaningless this argument is.
The author accuses Democrats of trying to delegitimization the election but then
wants to discount the votes of an entire state so he can claim his candidate has
a mandate. If the only way you can claim a mandate is by discounting
over 8 million votes, you don't really have a mandate nor a majority of
The facts do not indicate a decline over the past 8 years, but that doesn't
stop people from using baseless-factless-and tactless opinions to justify what
has happened. Tell us how great The Donald is doing after 2017 with
some facts please!
"Donald Trump was elected to prevent a further decline of the America that
most of us know and love. "Yeah- because Bush & Cheney left
the country in such great shape for President Obama.
"One could argue with credibility that he won by an overwhelming majority,
which he in fact did. Take away the votes from California and Trump wins the
popular vote as well"No, you cant. And I love the
last line basically saying "So, if you totally ignore a state that has over
12% of the total US population...."Regardless. Trump won the
election. We use the electoral college. Lets move on and hope he is a great