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  • fearfullooking Maple Grove, MN
    Feb. 11, 2017 4:05 a.m.

    "BYU coach Kalani Sitake defends missionary service"

    Does God really want the coach and the Church to engage in calling others to repentance? Why does the Church push the Gospel on humankind?

    Billions of human beings live in poverty, searching for the basics of survival, rather than worrying about the Gospel as interpreted by Mormons. We read in Alma 29 about the sin of seeking to "shake the earth and cry repentance unto every people":

    "Yea, I would declare unto every soul ... repentance . ... But I ... do sin in my wish; ... I ought not to harrow up in my desires the firm decree of a just God, for I know that he granteth unto men according to their desire . ... I know that he allotteth unto men, yea, decreeth unto them decrees which are unalterable, according to their wills, whether they be unto salvation or unto destruction. ... Why should I desire that I were an angel, that I could speak unto all the ends of the earth? For behold, the Lord doth grant unto all nations, of their own nation and tongue, to teach his word, yea, in wisdom, all that he seeth fit that they should have . ..."

  • BleedCougarBlue Enid, OK
    Jan. 13, 2017 4:08 p.m.

    Good grief! There's approximately 110 comments on here and just about every other one is from Uteology pounding his chest for losing 4 games and barely making it into the Top 25.

    You Utah fans should reel that guy in. Does he even have a job?

    See you guys in September!

  • BleedCougarBlue Enid, OK
    Jan. 13, 2017 4:01 p.m.

    @ Tomahawk Red - San Francisco, CA - Jan. 10, 2017 1:29 p.m. - motorbike - Cottonwood Heights, UT - Jan. 10, 2017 9:33 a.m. - That was a pretty awesome response by Sitake, well done sir.

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    Uh, no.

    But, please, elaborate on why you think it was so good."

    TomahawkRed - It was awesome because it is true.

    What part of "If being 100% away from football for 2 years is so great then why doesn't EVERY team do it?" don't you understand?

    You're welcome.

  • BleedCougarBlue Enid, OK
    Jan. 13, 2017 3:48 p.m.

    @ ekute - Layton, UT - Jan. 10, 2017 8:32 a.m. - "Utah will be favored at les. I doubt "wait for next season" and "this will be the year"."

    No worries, that will just make beating you that much sweeter.

    I've got a hunch that when we do beat you your face is going to look exactly like those that supported a certain female national politician who got demolished by an aggressive businessman. :-)

    Go Cougars!

  • SIMPLICITY Denver, CO
    Jan. 12, 2017 7:48 p.m.

    The debate and energy of byu-p vs UTAH is great. Let the rivalry continue indefinitely..

    Six in a row... this sentence just brings joy

    Dwell on this fact byu-p. Another victory for big brother is fast approaching. I think we can all invision 10 or 15 straight victories for UTAH.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    Jan. 12, 2017 4:18 p.m.

    "LOL, please Riverton Cougie list for us what that Oklahoma team ended the year ranked and what USC was ranked end of this season?"

    My point was that teams and players can IMPROVE over time. I know it's an unfamiliar concept for fans of a team who beat a team early in the season when there's good indication they would have lost if played later in the season.

    ---

    "Having older, more mature (physically, mentally, emotionally) players helps BYU. And it helps Utah, Utah State, and any other program with returned missionaries on the roster.

    Giving young men 2 years to mature, while subjecting them to little/no physical risk, benefits the teams that they play for after their missions.

    It's not cheating, so don't get so defensive when people bring it up."

    Just because there are advantages to it doesn't mean as a whole it is advantageous; the cons outweigh the pros when it comes to athleticism. As Sitake and many others have pointed out, if it were as advantageous as some people make it sound, the elite programs would be pushing for their athletes to go on missions or do something similar.

  • Utah'95 FPO, AE
    Jan. 12, 2017 2:34 p.m.

    Back to the article....

    Having older, more mature (physically, mentally, emotionally) players helps BYU. And it helps Utah, Utah State, and any other program with returned missionaries on the roster.

    Giving young men 2 years to mature, while subjecting them to little/no physical risk, benefits the teams that they play for after their missions.

    It's not cheating, so don't get so defensive when people bring it up.

  • TrueBlue Provo, UT
    Jan. 12, 2017 1:17 p.m.

    Uteology

    Regardless of how you spin it, BYU's longest string of Top 25 finishes DWARVES Utah's longest string in both quantity and quality.

    Call us when U win a consensus national championship, THE highest achievement in major college football.

    It's absolutely hilarious how our jealous little brothers constantly try to minimize what Utah has never even come close to achieving.

  • Jello is Good Seattle, WA
    Jan. 12, 2017 10:23 a.m.

    @Ute Mythology

    "Spin? Analyzing last 25 straight games is spin?

    Try taking the last 25 games and show us how BYU is better by going 7-16.

    This should be interesting."

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    7+16=23

    How is that 25 games? Sounds like either bad math or spin. Either way it's embarrassing for you.

    Fact: Last 25 games Utah leads series 16-9 which is better than 16-7. Better, right?

    You are right. That was interesting!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 12, 2017 9:14 a.m.

    @talking
    Call us when Utah finishes in the Top 15 three out of four seasons, like BYU did from 2006 to 2009:

    BYU
    2006 11-2 #16/#15 - conference champs
    2007 11-2 #14/#15 - conference champs
    2008 10-3 #25/#21
    2009 11-2 #12/#12

    -------

    Impressive just like Western Michigan. But unlike WM, BYU couldn't even make a major bowl.

    Call us when you crack the CFP poll, make a major bowl under tougher standards and win.

    So far those are accomplishments that BYU only fantasies about.

    Good luck!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 12, 2017 8:58 a.m.

    Some.BYU.Dude - Mesa, AZ
    Jan. 11, 2017 2:48 p.m.
    @Uteology

    You can spin it however you want. "WOW! UTAH is undefeated against BYU****"
    **** - Includes only seasons 2010-2016.

    LOL. I chose to take it by decade, rather 25. You can spin it however you want and make either side look better.

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    Spin? Analyzing last 25 straight games is spin?

    Try taking the last 25 games and show us how BYU is better by going 7-16.

    This should be interesting.

  • 2BCSWINS West of I15, UT
    Jan. 12, 2017 7:43 a.m.

    @Rivertoncougie........."Also, I seem to recall Utah fans dismissing BYU's win over Oklahoma in 2009 due to Bradford getting injured (and some Ute "fans" calling it a dirty play, lol) and so they were without their star QB and had to play Landry Jones instead. "If they had Bradford the whole game, OU would have won" they claimed, as if Landry Jones wasn't good."

    LOL, please Riverton Cougie list for us what that Oklahoma team ended the year ranked and what USC was ranked end of this season?

    Thanks will wait

  • Jello is Good Seattle, WA
    Jan. 12, 2017 6:40 a.m.

    @Ute-falacy

    "Utah is 16-7 (70%) vs BYU in last 25 years.

    You had a good 20 year run. Since then its been all Utah."

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    Let's be factual and not spin.

    Over the last 5, 10, 15, 20, 25 and 30 year period Utah has been the better team. They have won more games against BYU. Debating this is not so is ridiculous.

    HOWEVER, debating that these two teams are not close in competitiveness is also ridiculous. Your 25 year record is wrong, it would be 17-9, and over the last 30 years Utah still leads the series 17-13. But 19 of those 30 were decided by one score or less. Of those 11 blow outs 4 were by Utah and 7 by BYU.

    In the last 30 years only 4 times Utah has won the game by more than one score.

    In the last 10 years only 2 times Utah has won the game by more than one score.

    In the last 5 years only 1 time Utah has won the game by more than one score.

    This is why ESPN, FOX and Sports Nation have rated BYU/Utah one of the top rivalries in college football.

  • Jello is Good Seattle, WA
    Jan. 12, 2017 6:17 a.m.

    @Uteology

    "You think BYU would do better playing a P5 schedule? Is that why BYU has yet to beat a South team with 4+ wins? Priceless!"

    Looks like Utah had a tough time with PAC teams with losing records. You never know until you play the game, right?

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    Jan. 11, 2017 11:30 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    So 12 years ago, the Utes beat a team that cracked one poll by the narrowest of margins? Congrats on such a minor accomplishment. Your fan base has been reduced to grasping at straws and fueling up the time machine. I love it!

    The truth is, the Utes only have ONE major accomplishment in their entire football history, 2008, and even that fell far short of the ultimate accomplishment - a consensus National Championship.

    Call us when Utah finishes in the Top 15 three out of four seasons, like BYU did from 2006 to 2009:

    BYU
    2006 11-2 #16/#15 - conference champs
    2007 11-2 #14/#15 - conference champs
    2008 10-3 #25/#21
    2009 11-2 #12/#12

    Unfortunately for U, your longest Top 25 streak doesn't even come close to matching BYU's longest Top 25 streak

    Utah
    2014 9-4 #21/#20
    2015 10-3 #17/#16
    2016 9-4 #23/#21

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Jan. 11, 2017 6:08 p.m.

    motorbike:
    "It may never happen but if BYU makes it into a P5 conference I guarantee your view on this will change. Most Utah fans who thought Utah could play with anyone in 2004 and/or 2008 would now admit that those teams wouldn't have had the depth to survive a P5 schedule".

    I appreciate your cerebral approach, it makes for good discussion rather than the tired back and forth with the same drivel that usually occurs in these comments. As an avid UGA fan, I whole-heartedly agree with you on the point you make here. It is indeed brutal, and is honestly frustrating when watching someone like Boise take CFB by storm feasting on cupcakes.

    But after more thought, you can also see how having a P5 budget, and P5 recruiting make for deeper teams. It's a double-edged sword, because I could just as easily argue that BYU, given a P5 budget, would have landed some of the high profile Mormon recruits they've missed out on, and would have greater depth to compete in a P5 conference. Remember, Utah before adding that depth missed out on bowl season 2 out of their first 3 years.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 11, 2017 5:15 p.m.

    Dude:

    You said you were expecting comments about the final AP poll. Well, you picked the wrong story. The final poll article is a separate DNews story. That was the place to lodge comments about Texas.

    This article was about a too-early rankings which included Utah, but left BYU out. My first comment noted that legacy and old trophies have no bearing on the omission. So why do BYU fans bring up the trophies anyway?

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    Jan. 11, 2017 3:37 p.m.

    Uteology

    Cute choice of time frame choosing the last 20 years for "significant" accomplishments, which, of course, conveniently omits BYU's 14-1, Cotton Bowl winning, #5 season.

    btw, does that cover all sports, or only football, since your finals run in basketball will soon be more than 20 years old?

    The truth is, the only trophy that really matters is a national championship trophy, like the Crystal Football National Championship trophy proudly displayed in BYU's Legacy Hall of Fame.

    NONE of the trophies in your trophy closet compares.

    #1 > #2 or #4 or #5 regardless of how you spin it.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    Jan. 11, 2017 3:16 p.m.

    Another stat for everyone:

    If today's current CFP format had been in effect every season, BYU would have been in the playoffs once compared to Utah's zero.

  • Some.BYU.Dude Mesa, AZ
    Jan. 11, 2017 2:48 p.m.

    @Uteology

    You can spin it however you want. "WOW! UTAH is undefeated against BYU****"
    **** - Includes only seasons 2010-2016.

    LOL. I chose to take it by decade, rather 25. You can spin it however you want and make either side look better. I think decades are a good measurement. 25 years doesn't look so hot when you break it down by decade, and realize that you fronted loaded and took off the back load, just like I could back load and take off the front load.
    Decade, Y-U
    1960's - 3-7
    1970's - 7-3
    1980's - 9-1
    1990's - 5-5
    2000's - 5-5
    2010's - 0-6
    I included your last winning decade to current. I don't see a problem with that. Our last one was the 80's. I have no problem admitting that. Since then, it's been pretty evenly balanced, and BYU-Utah has the closest games of any rivalry in college football the last 30 years. That's cool. Those games could've easily gone either way. That's fun football. Shows both teams are competitive. You'll never win with a "this team is better than the other team" argument. You just won't. There is no measurement for that. Just accept it.

  • Some.BYU.Dude Mesa, AZ
    Jan. 11, 2017 2:42 p.m.

    @JohnInSLC

    You had the first comment, and you brought up the trophies. You can't claim you were responding to Cougar fans bringing up trophies and 1984, when you comment first and brought up trophies and 1984, haha. You claimed you were responding to Cougars, but you hopped on here, and all you did was trash talk BYU. You weren't even proud Utah made the top 25. If you would've been like, "Way to be Utah! Way to end a good season ranked." nothing of it. Congrats man. Way to be a fan! But you hopped on and just trash talked BYU. That's all.

    Also, check out SBNation's breakdown of 1984 (I can't send the link thanks to this site not allowing it). If your beloved PAC would've actually sent Washington to play BYU, then BYU could've played and hopefully beat UW, and no discussion (except Utes still would've hammered on something). Seriously, let it go. We were #1 in the polls, we got the trophy, it's on NCAA records, and you have to deal with it. Did BYU beat Utah two years ago because of more offensive yards? No, and we deal with it. It's life. There are rules, and you go by the rules.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 11, 2017 1:27 p.m.

    Some.BYU.Dude - Mesa, AZ
    Jan. 11, 2017 12:41 p.m.
    But, to pipe in since someone said Utah "owns" BYU since we last won lots of trophies...I'll just point out that the last decade Utah won was 1960. Since then BYU has won, or it's been a tie. So, congratulations on winning a decade 5 decades later. I guess if you guys come around once every 5 decades, it's not too bad.

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    Utah is 16-7 (70%) vs BYU in last 25 years.

    You had a good 20 year run. Since then its been all Utah.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 11, 2017 1:15 p.m.

    Oh, Dude. Where to start?

    "how ridiculous and untrustworthy this poll is based on that"
    - Funny, many people said that about the same poll in 1984, but even now coogs act like it was unerringly accurate. Which is it?
    "all I came into was a bunch of Utes trying to pound their chest and still going on about 1984"
    - Only in response to you coogs still referencing dusty trophies, as if that is somehow relevant to being excluded from the poll again in 2016.
    "but I guess some kids never grow up"
    - I assume you mean the ones who can't stop chanting "1984, 1984" every time the Utes end up ranked and the coogs are not.
    "talk about how much they dislike BYU"
    - *sigh* I guess coog fans will never see that airing the whole truth does not equal dislike for the institution. That's reserved for its fans who deny it.

  • Some.BYU.Dude Mesa, AZ
    Jan. 11, 2017 12:41 p.m.

    But, to pipe in since someone said Utah "owns" BYU since we last won lots of trophies...I'll just point out that the last decade Utah won was 1960. Since then BYU has won, or it's been a tie. So, congratulations on winning a decade 5 decades later. I guess if you guys come around once every 5 decades, it's not too bad.

    On a side note, where will Utah's OC end up after the season, and who will the new one be? That should be the real preseason poll.

  • Some.BYU.Dude Mesa, AZ
    Jan. 11, 2017 12:37 p.m.

    Man, I came here hoping someone pointed out how funny it was that Texas was ranked #24, and how ridiculous and untrustworthy this poll is just based off of that, and how preseason polls are also garbage, but all I came into was a bunch of Utes trying to pound their chest and still going on about 1984, lol. Sad. Was hoping for some good humor, maybe some good points, but I guess some kids never grow up. Do some Ute fans literally live on online newspaper comments sections to just talk about how much they dislike BYU? Holy moley.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 11, 2017 12:27 p.m.

    @phoenix

    Despite your spin, BYU has had more 11+ win, Top 15 seasons since 2006, than Utah has had in their entire history, including your modest little string of three straight AP Top 25 finishes where your best season fell short of what BYU accomplished in 2006, 2007 and 2009.

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    First, BYU didn't play in a P5 schedule in 2006, 2007, and 2009. Your best wins were #21 TCU and #18 Utah.

    Second, BYU finished AP #16, #14, #12. That's 2 top 15 finishes with 11-2 teams, Utah has 3 top 10 teams.

    So you think being a P5 top 25 is a "modest" accomplishment: Utah 9-4 #21, 10-3 #17, 9-4 #23?

    You think BYU would do better playing a P5 schedule? Is that why BYU has yet to beat a South team with 4+ wins? Priceless!

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Jan. 11, 2017 12:27 p.m.

    phoenix - Gilbert, AZ
    Jan. 11, 2017 11:19 a.m.

    Uteology

    "Good luck next year cracking a major poll for the first time since 2009."

    In 2011, BYU was ranked #25 in the final Coaches poll and #26 in the final AP poll.
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    So 5 years ago BYU cracked one poll by the narrowest of margins? Congrats on such a minor accomplishment. This fan base has been reduced to grasping straws and fueling up the time machine. I love it!

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 11, 2017 12:26 p.m.

    "Perhaps you can tell us which poll had another team besides BYU as the National Champion? (Crickets)... And the reason it's crickets is because there wasn't one."

    poyman:

    Wrong! In 1984, the selectors who conducted polls included the National Championship Foundation, Football News and Sporting News. None of them picked BYU.

    A little light usually quiets the crickets.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 11, 2017 12:08 p.m.

    @Phoenix
    Since 1979, BYU has had ELEVEN 11+ win seasons, including THREE 11+ win, Top 15 seasons since 2006.

    In their entire history, Utah has only had TWO 11+ win seasons, NONE before 2004.

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    There you go again, same old irrelevant stats. Where did your 11+ win teams finished ranked compared to the 10 win Utah teams?

    * 1994 10-2 Utah #10 (BYU 11-2 2006, 07, 09: #16, #14, #12)
    * 2015 Utah 10-3 #17 (BYU 2001 12-2 #25)

    You had TWO AP top 15 (11 win) teams since 2006, that's your major accomplishment in 20 seasons. Meanwhile, Utah has 2 undefeated, top 5 teams over the same period.

    Since Utah rebuild it's program...

    Utah AP Rankings:
    1994 #10 10-2
    2003 #21 10-2
    2004 #4 12-0
    2008 #2 13-0
    2009 #18 10-3
    2014 #21 9-4
    2015 #17 10-3
    2016 #23 9-4

    BYU:
    1994 #18 10-3
    1996 #5 14-1
    2001 #25 12-2
    2006 #16 11-2
    2007 #14 11-2
    2008 #25 10-3
    2009 #12 11-2

    * Top 5: Utah 2 BYU 1
    * Top 10: Utah 3 BYU 1
    * Top 15: Utah 2 BYU 3
    * Top 25: Utah 8 BYU 7

    Again, good luck beating Utah and cracking the top 25.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Jan. 11, 2017 11:19 a.m.

    Uteology

    "Good luck next year cracking a major poll for the first time since 2009."

    In 2011, BYU was ranked #25 in the final Coaches poll and #26 in the final AP poll.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Jan. 11, 2017 11:15 a.m.

    Uteology

    "Here are other Sagarin ranked teams that are irrelevant over top 25 Utah according to CFP, AP, and Coaches:"

    It's hilarious how "clueless" the AP/Coaches voters are when you're bagging on BYU's ranked teams, but how sacrosanct the AP/Coaches rankings are when you're bragging about Utah's rankings or Utah's ranked opponents.

    Since 1979, BYU has had ELEVEN 11+ win seasons, including THREE 11+ win, Top 15 seasons since 2006.

    In their entire history, Utah has only had TWO 11+ win seasons, NONE before 2004.

    Since 1965, BYU has won TWENTY-THREE conference championships.

    Since 1965, Utah has only won FIVE conference championships.

    Irrelevant is defined as a program that brags about finishing #23 in the AP poll, but has never won a National Championship, a Heisman Trophy, or had a single player inducted into the National College Football Hall of Fame.

    Despite your spin, BYU has had more 11+ win, Top 15 seasons since 2006, than Utah has had in their entire history, including your modest little string of three straight AP Top 25 finishes where your best season fell short of what BYU accomplished in 2006, 2007 and 2009.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 11, 2017 11:11 a.m.

    Just to be clear, as of today vs PAC-12:

    * BYU: 28-42 (40%)

    * Utah: 66-99-2 (38%)... from 1990-2010: 15-15 (50%).

    Utah won it's 28th game vs PAC-12 in 2001, BYU just beat Arizona for win 28th in 2016.

    Those are facts, don't let the noise from down south confuse you.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    Jan. 11, 2017 10:56 a.m.

    "* Utah has FIVE losses to 'bottom feeders' (BYU 5)"

    What's your definition of "bottom feeders", and what teams were those? Also I noticed you didn't go back one year earlier, to 2007, where 2-10 UNLV beat Utah 27-0.

    "You are right Utah played a better USC team than Alabama and Stanford faced, and Utah still won. Spin all you want, Utah still beat #3 USC."

    Wow, the point just went right over your head. It looks like when you lose an argument you like to say "spin all you want, Utah got the W".

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 11, 2017 10:45 a.m.

    Here are other Sagarin ranked teams that are irrelevant over top 25 Utah according to CFP, AP, and Coaches:

    31 North Carolina 8-5
    33 James Madison 14-1
    34 Washington State 8-5
    35 Northwestern 7-6
    36 BYU 9-4

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 11, 2017 10:35 a.m.

    @Road Runner

    Yes Utah consistently chokes away a PAC-12 championship. It's also true that Utah is a top 25 P5 program.

    Good luck next year cracking a major poll for the first time since 2009.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 11, 2017 10:12 a.m.

    @BlueCoug

    You are right Utah played a better USC team than Alabama and Stanford faced, and Utah still won. Spin all you want, Utah still beat #3 USC.

    Sagarin rankings are only meaningful at BYU, congrats! We'll just have to settle for AP, Coaches, and CFP top 25.

    Let us know when you think BYU will actually crack a major poll again or are you no longer concerned since you dominate Sagarin?

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 11, 2017 10:01 a.m.

    @Marked it Down

    For the billionth time, the 1994 team finessed AP #10 the top WAC team. Just like 2012 LSU won the SEC, but Alabama finished #1. That Ute team beat FOUR ranked teams including PAC-10 Champion.

    Since 2008...

    * Utah has ELEVEN wins over final ranked teams (BYU 3)
    * Utah has FIVE losses to "bottom feeders" (BYU 5)

    Again, I ask you who did you beat in all those rankings?

  • Road Runner Cedar City, UT
    Jan. 11, 2017 9:52 a.m.

    Uteology

    "I find comments from BYU fans about winning the South hilarious..."

    I find your desperate attempt at deflection hysterical.

    Instead of beating your chest about the ranked teams Utah has upset, maybe U should try beating the conference bottom dwellers that always destroy your "locks" to win the division.

    Utah struggles to win conference championships because Utah constantly loses to conference bottom-dwelling cupcakes.

  • northern_lights Ogden, UT
    Jan. 11, 2017 9:40 a.m.

    An inconvenient truth:

    When was the last time BYU or Utah had back-to-back-to-back-to-back Top 25 finishes, including THREE 11-2, Top 15 finishes.

    BYU - 2006 to 2009
    Utah - LOL!

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    Jan. 11, 2017 9:37 a.m.

    Uteology

    "Noticed no one asked Utah Who did they beat?"

    Noticed, U conveniently ignored who Utah lost to:

    Washington State(3-9)
    Arizona(7-6)
    California(5-7)
    Oregon(4-8)

    Upsetting ranked teams, then losing to cupcakes, is Utah's legacy.

    Which is precisely why the Utes are so inept at winning division, let alone, conference championships.

    The Utes have only won SIX conference championships in the last SIXTY years - 1957 to 2016.

    Even your first ever final AP Top 25 team was incapable of winning a WAC championship, because U couldn't beat lowly New Mexico(5-7).

    Just like the Utes failed to win a gift-wrapped PAC South in 2011, because U lost, at home, to one of the worst teams in the country, Colorado(3-10).

  • BlueCoug Provo, UT
    Jan. 11, 2017 9:13 a.m.

    Uteology

    "Utah played the same USC team as #2 Alabama and #12 Stanford."

    NOPE!

    Alabama and Stanford played a USC team that hadn't even discovered Darnold.

    Utah played a USC team with Freshman QB Darnold starting his first game.

    Trying to claim that the USC team the Utah beat in late September was the same #3-ranked team that beat Penn State in the Rose Bowl, shows just how desperate U are.

    Following the USC-Utah game, USC was 1-3 and unranked; Utah was 4-0 and ranked #18.

    Utah finished the season 5-4, 0-2 versus teams with winning records, and LOSSES to a couple of cupcakes - #58 California (5-7) and #77 Oregon.

    USC finished the season 9-0, with wins over all four teams that beat U, including wins over #17 Colorado and #4 Washington, as well as versus #7 Penn State in the Rose Bowl.

    Your early win over a then mediocre USC team is counter-balanced with losses to two cupcakes.

    Bottom line, BYU is objectively ranked slightly better than Utah in Sagarin:

    #36 BYU (9-4), SOS 75
    #37 Utah (9-5), SOS 60

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    Jan. 11, 2017 8:50 a.m.

    "Utah played the same USC team as #2 Alabama and #12 Stanford.

    Dornold against Utah was "shadow" of a QB he would eventually become? How so?"

    Nice to know that teams never got better during the year. I always thought that as teams played more together, they got better (or possibly got temporarily worse as they lose key players and need time to adjust to the new personnel), but what do us stupid BYU fans know?

    Also, I seem to recall Utah fans dismissing BYU's win over Oklahoma in 2009 due to Bradford getting injured (and some Ute "fans" calling it a dirty play, lol) and so they were without their star QB and had to play Landry Jones instead. "If they had Bradford the whole game, OU would have won" they claimed, as if Landry Jones wasn't good.

    "BYU fans are so desperate that all they have left is to spin a loss for USC. Sad really."

    No, what's sad is Ute "fans" making up things in an attempt to make BYU fans look bad. It's actually a common occurrence.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 11, 2017 8:23 a.m.

    @london_josh - lincoln, CA

    I find the championship comments on the Utes sort of funny, perhaps win the PAC south first.

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    I find comments from BYU fans about winning the South hilarious, perhaps you should beat a PAC south team with 4 wins first?

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    Jan. 11, 2017 8:14 a.m.

    "@John in SL and Riverton Coug

    You both seem to be having a hard time of what it means to be a
    'Unanimous National Champion'."

    Don't throw me in there, I was merely using his source to show how pathetic and deceiving it is to call BYU's national championship a "split decision" and "not unanimous".

    ---

    "The margins don't matter, Utah won, and there is no way around that inconvenient little fact.

    Your little polls, won't change this fact either.

    If you would simply listen to yourselves, you could hear how silly you all sound."

    I wish you could hear how silly you sound. You say "margins don't matter, Utah won" and you and your fellow Ute "fans" use that "inconvenient little fact" to claim dominance over BYU.

    No, polls can't change the fact that Utah got the W, but the objective viewers who watched the game as well as computer rankings that take many factors into consideration agree that BYU and Utah are dead even, with some circumstances (BYU having a 1st year HC, OC, DC, offense, and defense, all on the road in their second game together) suggesting BYU has the slight edge.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 11, 2017 8:09 a.m.

    backpacn - Sandy, UT
    Jan. 10, 2017 10:25 p.m.
    Uteology

    "When was the last time your team played #3, 4, 17, 36 and went 2-2?"

    A little truth in advertising.

    The USC team that Utah barely beat with a last minute TD in late September, was in the midst of losing 3 out of 4, with their lone win at home against a very weak Utah State team.

    Freshman Sam Darnold was starting his first game for USC and was only a shadow of the QB who would eventually lead the Trojans on a nine game winning streak that included wins over ALL FOUR teams that beat the Utes, including dominating wins over California, Oregon and Washington.

    -----

    Utah played the same USC team as #2 Alabama and #12 Stanford.

    Dornold against Utah was "shadow" of a QB he would eventually become? How so?

    Darnold had a QB rating of 151 vs Utah, better ratting then at Washington. His season rating is 161.

    BYU fans are so desperate that all they have left is to spin a loss for USC. Sad really.

  • Napolean Dynamite Magna, UT
    Jan. 11, 2017 7:39 a.m.

    Praise Lavell and his amazing run against the weaklings of the WAC, which admittedly the Utes were part of. But, all them dusty trophies and a buck will get you a cup of coffee at 7-11. They aint done got you nuttin in the 21st century!

  • Magna Ute Fan Magna, UT
    Jan. 11, 2017 7:22 a.m.

    If those missions are so helpful, then its simple, make an special effort to recruit those mission bound kids. You'll find it is just as often a detriment as it is a boon.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 11, 2017 5:01 a.m.

    BlueCoug - Provo, UT
    Jan. 10, 2017 9:23 p.m.
    JohnInSLC

    "But the end AP results and this too-early ranking prove that all the Cougar fan brag about legacy and national brand is just hot air."

    3+ Straight AP Top 25 Finishes

    Legacy
    1979-1981 - #13, #12, #13
    1983-1985 - #7, #1, #16
    2006-2009 - #16, #14, #25, #12

    Hot Air
    2014-2016 - #21, #17, #23

    Notice that in 9 out the 10 BYU rankings, BYU's ranking was higher than Utah's highest ranking.

    --------

    Noticed no one asked Utah Who did they beat? Considering Utah beat:

    #3 USC, #10 UCLA, #11 Michigan, #19 Oregon, #21 USC

    Utah was 9-4, 10-3, and 9-4. When was the last time a 4 loss BYU team was ranked?

    Hot air is beating cupcakes and rising in the polls then losing in a bowl game, much like Western Michigan did this season, and BYU has done its entire history.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 11, 2017 4:43 a.m.

    @poyman
    Over the past 40 years BYU has played the pac12 pretty even with a little less than a 50% win ratio over 60+ games. That win ratio btw is far better than the utes ... In fact the utes just surpassed BYU's total wins against pac12 opponents over that 40 year period.

    ------

    BYU is 28-42 (40%) vs PAC playing a G5 schedule.

    Utah (38% overall) surpassed BYU 28 victory total over PAC in 2001. Utah had its 29th win in 2003, BYU will look to match that total in 2017.

    Since Utah rebuild its program in 1990s Utah was 50% vs PAC, over same period BYU was 40%.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 11, 2017 3:57 a.m.

    @FACTchequer - Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 10, 2017 10:35 p.m.
    Rumoris

    "Utah is the better team..."

    Only by the slimmest of margins head-to-head and on your home turf.

    Using a purely objective standard, Sagarin, BYU is better and the Cougars would be predicted to beat Utah in a rematch - by 6 points at home or by 3 points on a neutral field.

    ------

    Rematch? At LES or netural site? That is puerly objective fantasy.

    All major standards agree Utah is a top 25 P5 program, BYU is an average G5 program.

    I will let BYU fans live out wins over Utah in pure fantasy scenarios.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 11, 2017 3:43 a.m.

    @poyman

    Cherry picking? I gave you the full sample. PAC-12 hasn't been around for 40 years which is why the 4-9.

    I know BYUs history only started under Edwards. So lets have a look, since Edwards BYU has a 38% winning percentage vs P5.

    In the BCS era, Utah was 67% vs PAC-10. Utah had the highest WP of any G5 team vs P5. BYU had a losing record over same perood.

    More importantly today, overall Utah is #2 South and a top 25 team. BYU has a losing record vs P5 and your best win is at 8-5 Texas and no rankings since 2009.

    Bottom line, Utah has a top 25 P5 team.

    While BYU has an unranked G5 team and counts Sagarin rankings as success.

  • london_josh lincoln, CA
    Jan. 11, 2017 1:15 a.m.

    I find the championship comments on the Utes sort of funny, perhaps win the PAC south first.

    I loved Kalani's comment, he wasn't going to let them get away with a jab, he was heated up and ready to defend his boys and made the agitator look foolish.

  • Rumoris Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 10, 2017 11:14 p.m.

    Fact checker

    The margins don't matter, Utah won, and there is no way around that inconvenient little fact.

    Your little polls, won't change this fact either.

    If you would simply listen to yourselves, you could hear how silly you all sound.

  • MRM Ogden, UT
    Jan. 10, 2017 10:54 p.m.

    FACTchequer

    Using Sagarin's predictor, BYU and Utah would finish dead even at RES, with BYU winning on a neutral field or in LES.

    It's amazing how much chest beating we see from the hill about a 1-point win, at home, over a team they desperately pretend is sooooo "inferior".

  • FACTchequer Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 10, 2017 10:35 p.m.

    Rumoris

    "Utah is the better team..."

    Only by the slimmest of margins head-to-head and on your home turf.

    Using a purely objective standard, Sagarin, BYU is better and the Cougars would be predicted to beat Utah in a rematch - by 6 points at home or by 3 points on a neutral field:

    #36 BYU (9-4) #75 SOS - predictor 76.64
    #37 Utah (9-4) #60 SOS - predictor 73.64

  • backpacn Sandy, UT
    Jan. 10, 2017 10:25 p.m.

    Uteology

    "When was the last time your team played #3, 4, 17, 36 and went 2-2?"

    A little truth in advertising.

    The USC team that Utah barely beat with a last minute TD in late September, was in the midst of losing 3 out of 4, with their lone win at home against a very weak Utah State team.

    Freshman Sam Darnold was starting his first game for USC and was only a shadow of the QB who would eventually lead the Trojans on a nine game winning streak that included wins over ALL FOUR teams that beat the Utes, including dominating wins over California, Oregon and Washington.

    The USC team that Utah beat in late September, would have destroyed the Utes in November.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Jan. 10, 2017 9:57 p.m.

    Way too early predictions:

    BYU will beat Utah in 2017 and finish the season ranked.

    Utah will finish fourth in the PAC South and finished the season unranked.

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    Jan. 10, 2017 9:55 p.m.

    WillCall

    "BYU did not receive the crystal football in '84 because the AP didn't award it until '86 or '87. BYU finally asked to buy one in 2009, twenty-five years later."

    First of all, the Crystal Football National Championship Trophy is awarded by the COACHES, NOT, the AP.

    Second, it was the COACHES who decided to award the Crystal Football National Championship Trophy to EVERY team that had won the COACHES National Championship.

    Third, BYU won a CONSENSUS national championship in 1984, #1 AP and #1 Coaches, as well as being selected National Champions by all five major selecting organizations.

    Fourth, for those who claim that BYU didn't beat anybody in 1984, BYU beat #24 Air Force on the road. The only reason Air Force wasn't "ranked", is because the AP rankings only included the Top 20 in 1984.

    Fifth, by that standard (only the Top 20 considered "ranked"), Utah would be UNRANKED this year, would only have ONE ranked team since joining the PAC 12, and would only have FIVE lifetime AP rankings.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 10, 2017 9:39 p.m.

    LOL at the hill chest beaters, bragging about finishing #23 in the AP and desperately trying to claim that's some sort of "legacy".

    AP Football Poll Summary

    Final Top 25 - BYU 17, Utah 8
    Weeks at #1 - BYU 4, Utah 0
    in Top 5 - BYU 17, Utah 9
    in Top 10 - BYU 58, Utah 28
    in Top 25 - BYU 242, Utah 112

    BYU has been ranked in 22% of 1119 polls
    Utah has been ranked in 10% of 1119 polls

    BYU still has more than TWICE as many AP Top 25 finishes as our little brothers.

    Call us when U finally reach double digits, something BYU accomplished in 1994, the year Utah cracked the Final AP Top 25 for the VERY FIRST time.

  • BlueCoug Provo, UT
    Jan. 10, 2017 9:23 p.m.

    JohnInSLC

    "But the end AP results and this too-early ranking prove that all the Cougar fan brag about legacy and national brand is just hot air."

    3+ Straight AP Top 25 Finishes

    Legacy
    1979-1981 - #13, #12, #13
    1983-1985 - #7, #1, #16
    2006-2009 - #16, #14, #25, #12

    Hot Air
    2014-2016 - #21, #17, #23

    Notice that in 9 out the 10 BYU rankings, BYU's ranking was higher than Utah's highest ranking.

    btw, in Sagarin:

    #36 BYU
    #37 Utah

  • Rumoris Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 10, 2017 7:38 p.m.

    Poyman

    You are accusing another of cherry picking, as you cherry pick yourself.

    Besides that we are discussing this year, and Utah is the better team.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Jan. 10, 2017 7:00 p.m.

    @John in SL and Riverton Coug

    You both seem to be having a hard time of what it means to be a
    "Unanimous National Champion".

    It's not unanimous as in votes tallied. That has nothing to do with it.

    It pertains to the "Officially Sanctioned Polls" by the NCAA.

    -Coaches

    -AP (Associated Press)

    -NFF

    -FWAA

    **FWAA & NFF.....have now merged....

    Creating the -Grantland Rice Super 16 poll (FWAA) and the -MaCarthur Bowl Trophy (NFF).

    These are the only "Officially Sanctioned" Polls by the NCAA.

    A "Consensus National Champion" is defined as being voted #1 in the AP and Coaches polls.
    BYU was Consensus and Unanimous Champs, by definition.

    Colorado and Washington did not win Consensus National Championships, they were
    "Split National Championships" as were Ga. Tech and Miami.

    A split National Championship is when one team is voted #1 in the AP and another in the Coaches poll.

    As for BYU receiving the Waterford Crystal Coaches Trophy "20 years later" (as did every team going back to 1960) that was on top of the Coaches Trophy (UPI) they received in 1984.

    How desperate are Ute fans, still debating this after 37 years?

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 10, 2017 6:54 p.m.

    "Perhaps you can tell us which poll had another team besides BYU as the National Champion? (Crickets)... And the reason it's crickets is because there wasn't one"

    Oh poyman,do some research. Space and time prohibit an exhaustive list, but here's a few:
    In 1984 the National Championship Foundation and Football News (and one other) selected Washington as the national champion. The New York Times and the Sporting News (along with others) selected Florida.

    Cricket pie anyone?
    _____________

    Riverton Cougar:

    I simply told the little-known NC facts and WillCall explained the belated trophy. So if anything it's really the whole truth that diminishes the coog-fan narrative of BYU's 1984 season.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 10, 2017 6:48 p.m.

    NevadaCoug

    "If Utah played the same exact schedule, with the same results, but was still in the MW or independent? They wouldn't be top 25."
    -------
    It may never happen but if BYU makes it into a P5 conference I guarantee your view on this will change. Most Utah fans who thought Utah could play with anyone in 2004 and/or 2008 would now admit that those teams wouldn't have had the depth to survive a P5 schedule. G5s and Independents like BYU can believe all they want that they'd be just as good against a P5 schedule but that would be grossly underestimating the wear and tear from playing teams like Cal, Purdue, Indiana and Vanderbilt on weeks your team isn't playing USC, Ohio State, Michigan or Alabama. If you don't believe there's a substantial difference in talent and depth between the lesser P5 teams and the lesser G5 teams you're truly fooling yourself.
    FYI, since Utah joined the PAC 12 they're 21-1 out of conference which includes a good mix of P5, G5, Indy and FCS teams. Those 22 games look an awful lot like a standard BYU or Boise State schedule.
    Bottom line, Utah finishes ranked again for very good reason.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    Jan. 10, 2017 6:40 p.m.

    "Rivertoncoug:

    BYU did not receive the crystal football in '84 because the AP didn't award it until '86 or '87. BYU finally asked to buy one in 2009, twenty-five years later.

    Yeah, awarding yourself a trophy isn't controversial at all!"

    Um..... You do realize that BYU didn't "award" themselves the trophy, right? You guys will stop at nothing, it seems, to belittle BYU.

  • Rumoris Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 10, 2017 6:29 p.m.

    Nevada Cougar

    If Utah played the exact same schedule, and came out the same way, that means Utah couldn't be in the MWC. Our conference schedule is full of PAC 12 teams, not MWC teams. How is your little scenario possible?

    If Utah played a MWC schedule, and lost as many games to MWC opponents, then yes they wouldn't be ranked, you can't deny the elevated game that is played in the P5 conferences. That is why Utah is ranked.

  • WillCall Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 10, 2017 6:19 p.m.

    Rivertoncoug:

    BYU did not receive the crystal football in '84 because the AP didn't award it until '86 or '87. BYU finally asked to buy one in 2009, twenty-five years later.

    Yeah, awarding yourself a trophy isn't controversial at all!

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    Jan. 10, 2017 6:15 p.m.

    "Did you know BYU is 4-9 vs big bad PAC-12 with wins over 3-9 WSU, 3-9 OSU, at 5-7 Cal, and 3-9 Arizona."

    Interesting. You conveniently left out Oregon and Oregon State, convincing bowl wins. Not to mention beating Utah too. Oh wait, those wins don't align with cherry picked stats. My bad.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Jan. 10, 2017 6:07 p.m.

    @uteology

    Never heard anyone, let alone a ute fan, refer to the Sangarin Rankings as "Touchy- Feely"... In fact P-5 schools usually tout that ranking system as the best measure in strength of a team and a program...

    Probably the reason most knowledgeable fans like Sangarin is because there is no "human factor" in it... It's based on W-Ls, SOS, and the actual numbers. And what's best of all, it's calculated by a computer.

    I would refer to these results as factual... not something one would characteristically refer to as a "Moral Victory" or a "Moral Dedeat"... It's just the facts... But then some ute fans have problems with facts.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Jan. 10, 2017 6:01 p.m.

    @uteology

    Cherry pick much? It is true that utah has beaten BYU the last 6 times they have played (and 5 of those since utah took the invite left by 5 members of the Big 12 ). So, including the ute loses BYU is 4-9 against the pac12... But as we have seen over the past 40 year this is just a moment in time. utah has been very fortunate as 4 of those 5 losses were by one possession often determined on the last possession or play of the game (i.e. this year). Over the past 40 years BYU has played the pac12 pretty even with a little less than a 50% win ratio over 60+ games. That win ratio btw is far better than the utes ... In fact the utes just surpassed BYU's total wins against pac12 opponents over that 40 year period the year before last and that's after being in the pac12 Conference for 4 years... Now that is sad.

    The pendulum in the BYU-ute games is about to swing under Sitake and I believe anyone who follows the series can see that happening. For what it's worth BYU still has nearly a 10 game winning advantage over utah from the days of Lavell Edwards forward to the present.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    Jan. 10, 2017 5:55 p.m.

    @JohnInSLC

    And again, you are attempting to diminish BYU's national championship by making it appear to be much more controversial than it actually was. Sure, it was a "split decision" in that not every single one of the 21 selectors voted for BYU, but as you pointed out such "split decisions" happen almost every year, so "split decision" is certainly not synonymous with "debatable" or "alleged".

    But, as you point out ALL the 5 major selectors (AP, UPI, FWAA, NFF, and USAT/CNN) selected BYU, and thus it is often called "consensus" due to that fact; they were the only consensus champion that year (so much for "controversy").

    I'm glad that at least this time you omitted the claim about the AP waiting 20 years to deliver their trophy to BYU because of how controversial it was.

    So to recap, was BYU's national championship legitimate and universally recognized? Yes. Was it "unanimous" in the sense that every single selector selected BYU? No, but the ones that really count did, so it's a moot point.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Jan. 10, 2017 5:34 p.m.

    @heriman2020

    "...By the way, BYU didn't "win" the national championship, they were awarded it."
    *********************

    I guess by that measure or standard you can say that prior to the Playoffs, every National Champion was "awarded" the Championship as opposed to "winning" it... The truth however, is that BYU won it in the same fashion that the 100 or so National Champions won their trophy... By winning and convincing the majority of the pollsters that they were the Best Collegiate Football Team in America.

    I was around back then and very much into BYU's accomplishments... There was no doubt in my mind that they were the best team in the land. Any top tier team that didn't think so had the option of playing BYU in the Holiday Bowl and all of them decided not to... The Holiday Bowl didn't pay as much as the Orange Bowl and the Bowl payout was worth more to them than a chance at dethroning the #1 team in America.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 10, 2017 4:47 p.m.

    @poyman

    Did you know BYU is 4-9 vs big bad PAC-12 with wins over 3-9 WSU, 3-9 OSU, at 5-7 Cal, and 3-9 Arizona.

    Why is BYU just 30% vs PAC 12 yet you don't even play a real P5 schedule?

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 10, 2017 4:31 p.m.

    @poyman - Lincoln City, OR

    @uteology

    "Utah just finished as a top 25 program this season, including a win over #3 USC."
    *******************
    A top 25 finish.... Congratulations, a gift for being in a P5 Conference.

    A lot of touchy-feelyness goes into that rating... The one that's configured by computers on SOS, and actual stats (Sagarin) didn't go quite as well for the utes... The utes finished 37th in that ranking... Oh, and btw, BYU finished 36th.

    ----

    What did the "non-touchy-feelyness" Sagarin rank your team in 1984?

    Gift for being in the P5? When was the last time your team beat a P5 final ranked team?

    When was the last time your team played #3, 4, 17, 36 and went 2-2?

    I believe its been 20 seasons.

    * Utah has finished ranked 3 stright years while playing a P5 schedlue.

    * BYU has yet to crack the top 25 playing 3-6 P5 teams.

    Congrats on Sagarin, enjoy another moral victory.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Jan. 10, 2017 4:28 p.m.

    @johnny

    "...C'mon poyman, we've been through this before. The coogs DID NOT win a "unanimous" championship. 11 of the 21 selectors that year picked either Washington, Florida or Nebraska. "

    *****************************

    When I say "unanimous" I am simply referring to the polls... They were the undisputed Champs in all polls... Perhaps you can tell us which poll had another team besides BYU as the National Champion? (Crickets)... And the reason it's crickets is because there wasn't one. BYU was NUMBER #1 in the AP and the UPI.

    nuff said.

  • Cougarista Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 10, 2017 4:13 p.m.

    When BYU loses it is because they have all those distracted, married with children returned missionaries and when they win it is because of the older, mature returned missionaries. If other coaches think it is such an advantage, send their players off to the Peace Corps for two years.

  • NevadaCoug Overton, NV
    Jan. 10, 2017 4:00 p.m.

    Polls are a beauty contest. Recognition in them is warped by conference affiliation. If Utah played the same exact schedule, with the same results, but was still in the MW or independent? They wouldn't be top 25.

    It's also amazing how people are still trying to revise history. BYU won the Championship in 1984 according to the metrics used at that time to award it. Fact.
    Washington more deserving? What happened on the field when they played in 1985?

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 10, 2017 3:18 p.m.

    "did you know that only one school in the Conference of Champions (the big bad pac12) has won a unanimous National Championship since BYU did it"

    C'mon poyman, we've been through this before. The coogs DID NOT win a "unanimous" championship. 11 of the 21 selectors that year picked either Washington, Florida or Nebraska. The 10 that picked BYU included the major selectors, any one of which was enough for the NCAA to consider it a "consensus" champion. USC is one of just a handful of schools that earned a unanimous championship. As BYU did in 1984, Colorado won a consensus championship in 1990 and Washington won one in 1991.

    As you're bragging about what amounted to a split decision, keep in mind that 3 of the 14 selectors in 2008 did not pick Florida--they selected Utah. ASU got similar treatment in 1970 and 1975, as did Stanford and UCLA in other years.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Jan. 10, 2017 2:52 p.m.

    LOL!

    Nicely done Kalani!

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    Jan. 10, 2017 2:50 p.m.

    So TommyHawk Red - you actually listened to the Sitake recording? Thanks for caring about BYU. Whenever I see a video/audio of Whittingham - I ignore it. But that's just me.

  • slcftball Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 10, 2017 2:42 p.m.

    @tomahawk red

    really? you are claiming your hat on one PAC12 baseball championship and some gymnastics as a "we have arrived". Haha. You say you are from the Bay Area- go down the road to Stanford where they have won....umm....3 NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS this year alone...

    Not a BYU fan but cmon---but I wouldnt be bragging about the nosedive Utah football displayed to everyone----again----and finishing in the middle of the PAC---- again. Facts are facts. 4 teams ranked easily higher than you equals = 5th out of 12. HAHA

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Jan. 10, 2017 2:41 p.m.

    red.diehard - Central, UT

    "I guess somebody's thin skin is showing, lighten up Sitake."

    Really? Thin skin?

    No, the thin skinned ones are all the insecure Utes who show up endlessly on BYU articles to Bash.

    It's was what I call..."Seeking Relevancy in Anonymity".........That be "U".

    BYU is the only National l Brand around here...not Utah.

    Where was Whit?

    btw...It's called "Quick Wit" and Kalani has it.
    You and your Utes, do not.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Jan. 10, 2017 2:30 p.m.

    TR:
    "Sounded like a rapid fire response laced with anger, when the other coaches were just joking.
    Everyone on the panel was laughing, understanding it was a joke, but sitake appeared to take it seriously.
    Not a good look".

    This is what ute criticism has been reduced to..."LOL"! Watch the clip again without your rosy lenses...oh was that a chuckle by Sitake? And was that even more laughter from the other coaches at his retort which was also funny? But your reaching and stretching for "criticism" were equally entertaining.

  • 2020 Herriman, UT
    Jan. 10, 2017 2:26 p.m.

    BYU's accomplishments can never be taken away. There are teams, players and certainly a coach, that accomplished things that can never be erased. I sure am glad those times are over. By the way, BYU didn't "win" the national championship, they were awarded it.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Jan. 10, 2017 2:16 p.m.

    Take the bad losses with the good wins and what do you get? A top 25 finish. Try and spin it and minimize it; but that's exactly what it is. You could do a lot worse; like receiving a few votes and finishing well outside of the top 25. Thus, being reduced to minimizing the accomplishments of your rival. Oh the horror.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Jan. 10, 2017 2:04 p.m.

    @johnnynslc

    "When I want to see an old NC and Heisman trophy, next time I'm in the Big Apple I'll schedule a side trip up the Hudson to revisit West Point. "
    *************************************
    No need to go to NY johnny... You can see those same trophies right here in utah. just 40 miles south of SLC... There's also a Doak Walker, a couple of Outlands, a number of Davey O'Briens and Johnny Unitas.You can also pull them up on the internet but that will be as close as you get.

    As much as you try and substitute for these once in a life time superior Achievements with Conference Stickers and Bowl Banners you will always fall short ... In fact, did you know that only one school in the Conference of Champions (the big bad pac12) has won a unanimous National Championship since BYU did it in 1984-1985? Didn't think so. It was USC and they did it in 2004.

    Also, only 3 schools in the big bad pac12 have produced Heisman winners since Ty Detmer won it in 1990 (Colorado did it when they were still in the Big 8, USC did it 3 times between 2002 and 2005 with Carson Palmer, Matt Leinart, and Reggie Bush, and Marcus Mariota did it in 2014 for Oregon).

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 10, 2017 1:58 p.m.

    Tomahawk Red

    "Uh, no. But, please, elaborate on why you think it was so good."
    ----------
    Uh, yes. I'm a Ute fan through and through but truth is truth. And the truth when it comes to a two year Mormon mission is that it's not the advantage many people think it is. So yeah I can absolutely acknowledge a job well done by coach Sitake for setting folks straight.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Jan. 10, 2017 1:33 p.m.

    @uteology

    "Utah just finished as a top 25 program this season, including a win over #3 USC."
    *******************
    A top 25 finish.... Congratulations, a gift for being in a P5 Conference.

    A lot of touchy-feelyness goes into that rating... The one that's configured by computers on SOS, and actual stats (Sagarin) didn't go quite as well for the utes... The utes finished 37th in that ranking... Oh, and btw, BYU finished 36th.

    ++++++++++++++++++

    @i don't know who i am sir

    "...But unlike the Y our season is 12 games not 7 games. "
    ***********************
    Really? In 2016 the utes played powerhouses like Southern Utah, San Jose State, Oregon, Oregon State and Arizona State. Of the 13 games that the utes played only 4 were in the top 55 according to Sagarin (and BYU was one of them). The utes lost to the 77th rated team (Oregon), and the 58th rated team (Cal) to account for 50% of their losses.

    Hardly chest pumping material.

  • Tomahawk Red San Francisco, CA
    Jan. 10, 2017 1:32 p.m.

    slcftball - Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 10, 2017 10:10 a.m.
    Not bad Utah-
    Finished right in middle of PAC12 where you have found a home in football

    Other sports not so well

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    Right, like those titles won in baseball and gymnastics.

    Unchecked jealousy will only make you look a fool here.

    Get ahold of yourself.

  • Tomahawk Red San Francisco, CA
    Jan. 10, 2017 1:29 p.m.

    motorbike - Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 10, 2017 9:33 a.m.

    That was a pretty awesome response by Sitake, well done sir.

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    Uh, no.

    But, please, elaborate on why you think it was so good.

  • Tomahawk Red San Francisco, CA
    Jan. 10, 2017 1:28 p.m.

    Jello is Good - Seattle, WA
    Jan. 10, 2017 8:18 a.m.

    The difference is that BYU was not ranked at all in any 2016 pre-season poll and moving to 2017 Utah has stayed about the same ... being rated in the low 20's.

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    This is what byu smack has been reduced to.

    LOL!!!

  • Tomahawk Red San Francisco, CA
    Jan. 10, 2017 1:25 p.m.

    JohnInSLC - Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 10, 2017 7:32 a.m.

    Loved Kalani's comeback!

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    Really?

    Sounded like a rapid fire response laced with anger, when the other coaches were just joking.

    Everyone on the panel was laughing, understanding it was a joke, but sitake appeared to take it seriously.

    Not a good look.

    But I do love it so.

    LOL

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    Jan. 10, 2017 12:32 p.m.

    Reason #1000 to love Sitake.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 10, 2017 11:31 a.m.

    you can't be serious:

    When I want to see an old NC and Heisman trophy, next time I'm in the Big Apple I'll schedule a side trip up the Hudson to revisit West Point. Army has three times as many as the coogs. Meanwhile, I'll content myself by admiring RECENT achievements such as, every CFP ranking, consensus All-Americans, Ray Guy awards, final AP rankings, etc. If I really want to go back in time, I don't need to leave this century to admire not just one, but two undefeated seasons and BCS bowl wins.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Jan. 10, 2017 11:23 a.m.

    But seriously folks!,
    Utah owns you since you won any of them trophies...dust that off.

  • Sanefan Wellsville, UT
    Jan. 10, 2017 11:02 a.m.

    Pools at this point are meaningless and actually will be on Dec 31, 2017. There are only 8 teams that have a chance at an NC next year and no, the Utes and BYU are not one of them. BTW, they are not necessarily the best 8 teams in the Country.

  • Sanefan Wellsville, UT
    Jan. 10, 2017 11:00 a.m.

    Agreed Vermonter. If they think this is such a great thing encourage those kids out of high school to do a two year military stint, Americorp, or as you said, the Peace Corps. Yeah right, that will never happen. These guys are showing not only their ignorance, but also their bias.

  • But seriously folks! Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 10, 2017 10:53 a.m.

    Johninslc,

    I guessing that your national championship trophy are kept free of dust along with your outland and a myriad of other nation award trophies, and not to mention your pac 12 championship trophy.
    Oh wait, there are not any to dust off. I guess you can dust off the empty shelve in the event that one day u might get any one of those. The dust might be pretty deep by then.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 10, 2017 10:47 a.m.

    Preseason 2017?

    Utah just finished as a top 25 program this season, including a win over #3 USC.

    On to basketball!

    Go UTES!

  • Facts are friendly Sandy, UT
    Jan. 10, 2017 10:25 a.m.

    Love Kalani

  • slcftball Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 10, 2017 10:10 a.m.

    Not bad Utah-
    Finished right in middle of PAC12 where you have found a home in football

    Other sports not so well

    Final Rankings:
    3- USC
    4- Wash
    12- Stanford
    17- Colorado
    23- Utah

  • DodgerDoug Salem, UT
    Jan. 10, 2017 10:04 a.m.

    Coach Sitake.... you are the best!!!

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 10, 2017 9:41 a.m.

    @Jello is good - Seattle WA

    "Interesting that 4 of BYU's first 6 games are against pre-season top 25 teams and the 7th game is at what will be a very strong Miss St. from the SEC. After the 7th week of the season if BYU is still ranked in the top 30, they will have earned it."

    Also interesting is that Utah also plays 4 teams listed. (including 2 in the top 10!) But unlike the Y our season is 12 games not 7 games. In addition to the 4 previously mentioned Utah plays 5 P-5 schools and the Y (listed as 34th). So I would say if Utah is ranked in the top 25 (not 30) (as they have been the past 3 years) they definitely "will have earned it"!

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 10, 2017 9:38 a.m.

    BlueHusky

    "Wake us up when the Utes actually do something. Meanwhile BYU will continue to be on national TV week after week playing teams all over the country."
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    From your comment one might guess that BYU, not Utah, is one of only 5 teams to be included in every CFP Top 25 polls to date.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 10, 2017 9:33 a.m.

    That was a pretty awesome response by Sitake, well done sir.

  • red.diehard Central, UT
    Jan. 10, 2017 9:31 a.m.

    I guess somebody's thin skin is showing, lighten up Sitake.

  • Robroy Murray, utah
    Jan. 10, 2017 9:26 a.m.

    Right on Vermonter... Not only any coach but any player is certainly free to choose to take two years off to serve their country, fellow man, or anything else if they really think it will make them a better football or basketball player. Funny, I don't know of any that have chosen to do so. Not sure why this keeps coming up.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 10, 2017 8:57 a.m.

    "Too early to smack talk"

    Jelly, that's never stopped you before.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Jan. 10, 2017 8:32 a.m.

    Utah will be favored at les. I doubt "wait for next season" and "this will be the year".

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Jan. 10, 2017 8:25 a.m.

    Why would another coach even bring up the perceived advantage? In the long run it obviously doesn't do much for the program. If anything, what the Syracuse coach said shows an ongoing general dislike.

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    Jan. 10, 2017 8:20 a.m.

    Wow. This coming from a guy whose team chocked away a chance for the PAC12 playoff. Wake us up when the Utes actually do something.

    Meanwhile BYU will continue to be on national TV week after week playing teams all over the country.

    Nobody knows U, and everybody knows Y.

  • Vermonter Plymouth, MI
    Jan. 10, 2017 8:03 a.m.

    Question for Coach Babers: If having your prospective offensive linemen take 2 years off from football is best for a football program, why aren't you and every other college football coach doing it? There is no rule stopping you. And, I'm sure the Peace Corps could use a few hundred physically-fit twenty-year-olds around the world for 2 years.

    It would actually be a great enhancement to these young men's educations. But, I'm guessing it might not be best for Coach Babers' football program or his personal employment prospects.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 10, 2017 7:32 a.m.

    Loved Kalani's comeback!

    But the end AP results and this too-early ranking prove that all the coog fan brag about legacy and national brand is just hot air. Legacy and brand never produced a critical score over a ranked team. Face it, the trophies are dusty, you're now an unloved independant and relevance just once, maybe twice a year doesn't cut it. You are . . . Army, in a blue frock.