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Forest Service, BLM begin outreach over future plans for Bears Ears

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  • Swiss Price, Utah
    Jan. 10, 2017 7:16 a.m.

    Our friend in Oregon tries to lock the barn door after the SCOTUS has let the Federal Government out. The Federal Land Policy and Management Act that created the BLM from the General Land Office changed the policy on public domain lands from disposal to retention. It also gave BLM and Forest Service to manage those lands for Multiple Use and BLM was given charge over all Federal Minerals.
    Those who don't like the extractive uses of the Federal Lands that these users not only pay rentals and royalties to the Treasury of the US. They pay for most of the studies of these lands. BLM and Forest Service have never been funded to the point that they can write the Environmental Documentation to comply with the National Environmental Policy Act, so , the users hire consultants to do the studies. Archeologists and Wildlife Biologists do the surveys to comply with National Historic Preservation Act and the Endangered Species Act. Grazing and lumbering are also management tools grass and trees burn.
    One Ranger for this area the size of Rhode Island and Delaware is not going to protect the archeology from looters or rescue you either. Local search and rescue?

  • kigalia ,
    Jan. 9, 2017 4:59 p.m.

    Good effort to show all sides of this "hot topic" story. Samhill references other presidents who have used the antiquities act; but No other president has been the puppet of environmental paranoia and collusion like Obama, who thus far has absconded with 550 Million acres in 29 Nat'l Monuments, twice as much as any other president. Only 8% of the land is San Juan County is private. Multi-use of public land is critical to survival. Tourist towns like Moab are too expensive for middle income families to live in; that's one reason a National Monument is no Plus. Such towns are sustained by people who must work 2-3 part time jobs to maintain a household. People who actually reside there aren’t able to purchase homes on minimum wage salaries. The median household income in San Juan County is already 4th from the bottom in the state, but interestingly both Grand and Wayne county which are adjacent to National parks and Monuments have an even LOWER median income, yet the faÇade of tourism makes outsiders think things are booming because of all the tourists. (See earlier Des News article with median income graph of Utah counties.)

  • sthomaslewis Albany, OR
    Jan. 9, 2017 3:25 p.m.

    Article 1 Section 8, Clause 17 of the Constitution limits the amount of land the Federal Government can own. Also, according to the 10th Amendment, the BLM and the Forest Service should not exist. The county sheriffs need to expel or arrest Federal agents who restrict access to lands.

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 9, 2017 2:49 p.m.

    I feel for the people in rural areas who are having to deal with economic change.

    But it's not as though we city dwellers are exempt from economic disruption.

    Technology is impacting *everyone*, and even jobs that have historically been immune are being transformed - like physicians, lawyers, college professors, etc - are going to be impacted, if they aren't, already.

    Coal mines are employing fewer coal miners. Trump won't be able to bring the high paying jobs back from China... because those jobs are now done by machines, in China.

    Somehow, a lot of rural people have gotten the wrong impression that they can avoid economic disruption, if only they can do XYZ on American public lands.

  • Laura Bilington Maple Valley, WA
    Jan. 9, 2017 1:14 p.m.

    @Mig welder writes,

    1. I own and run black Angus.
    2. How is it subsidizing when I pay allotment fee every year?

    Answer: When the allotment fee is unreasonably low, you are being subsidized.

    Please tell me what private landowners in San Juan county charge you to graze your cattle on their land, and what you were paying for rent for federal land of the same size with the same amenities.

  • Fern RL LAYTON, UT
    Jan. 9, 2017 12:52 p.m.

    The very act of having one person with so much power as to be able with a stroke of a pen gain control over any amount of land, or anything else, without bowing to a vote of the people whom it impacts, smacks of nothing less than a dictatorship.

  • Mig welder Huntington, UT
    Jan. 9, 2017 12:19 p.m.

    @Prometheus Platypus - Orem, UT
    1. I own and run black Angus.
    2. How is it subsidizing when I pay allotment fee every year? Also the"Evil" Federal Government never allowed our ancestors the opportunity to buy the land as they did in the East? If they would of my forefathers would have bought it and used the land as it was intended for.
    3.Cooperate Welfare HA! Lets put my hours up against your hours any day of the week. I'll take a farm kid work mentality over a environmentalist work ethic any day of the week!
    4.You like China so much then go live there and leave my back yard alone.
    5. A hole? You couldn't even drive through Emery county and tell me where one Coal mine is. But I can tell you that you have one very cheap power bill. Your welcome. By the way are you living off the grid yet????
    6. I can absolutely tell you that I will always know more about the Swell than you ever will and I will never show people like you quarter of what I know.

  • Prometheus Platypus Orem, UT
    Jan. 9, 2017 11:41 a.m.

    One of the Bears Ears Inter-Tribal Coalition’s primary goals in protecting Bears Ears is to ensure continued access for all—including hunting, fishing, gathering firewood and herb collection. Six national monuments designated recently by the Obama administration, including Rio Grande Del Norte in New Mexico and Mojave Trails in California, are governed by proclamations protecting access—and Native American and other traditional uses.

    Escalante Staircase: Overall wages for the region have climbed from $40.7 million to $61 million since 2001, and four key economic indicators—population, employment, personal income, and per capita income—all rose since the monument designation.

  • Common Sense Guy Richfield, UT
    Jan. 9, 2017 11:28 a.m.

    It is not the job of the federal government to provide jobs to rural Utah, but the reality is that it will take jobs from rural Utah. If you want to make an argument about the environment or whatever, you have that right, but an argument that this does not negatively affect the economy of these Utah small towns in ridiculous. Obviously, there are some who do not understand the actual restrictions of a National Monument or the economy of the local area. Or is some cases the difference between gathering a little bit of firewood for a campfire and cutting wood to heat a home. You thought you could hunt and cut firewood on a National Monument? Have you been to a National Monument?

  • Common Sense Guy Richfield, UT
    Jan. 9, 2017 11:10 a.m.

    @Prometheus Platypus

    My reply to this " You are incorrect on many of your statements.

    Hunting, fishing, collecting firewood, and many other recreation activities will remain."

    Facts about National Monuments

    1. Current law prohibits hunting unless specified by statute,

    2. From your post ( Tourism is quickly becoming Utah's largest source of revenue, and it's the gift that keeps giving.) Tourism has not produced the promised boom at the Grand Staircase.

    3. There seems to be some misunderstanding about the huge expanses of wilderness included in the DinÉ BikÉyah proposal and what that would mean,” Sandberg said. “Collecting firewood [by motorized means off-road] would not be allowable in those areas. That eliminates chainsaws and trucks.

    “It would be very impractical to harvest much wood by hand and on horse for any large number of residential needs.

    So how am I incorrect?

  • Prometheus Platypus Orem, UT
    Jan. 9, 2017 10:54 a.m.

    Mig Welder, Doesn't sound like a cattle rancher?

    But no matter, Why should the Government, no less the evil Federal government subsidize your cattle grazing when other cattlemen are required to own the land on which they graze their livestock?

    Is corporate welfare part of your "providing for your family?"

    How many locals children leave the community, Not because of land restrictions, but because they don't want to eek out a living in a small town? China has the same problem and it's not from locking up land, it's the way the world is changing.

    You think that because of your proximity to land that it is ownership, it is not and you have no more rights, to public land than I do. I can't run free range chickens in the city park, even if it's next to my house.

    Those who will dig for riches always end up with a hole.

    Love spending time in the Swell, your lucky to be so close.

  • Steve C. Warren WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Jan. 9, 2017 10:17 a.m.

    Dear Deseret News,

    Please keep running photos of Bears Ears geological and archaeological sites. They offer silent but powerful witnesses in support of the monument.

  • Mig welder Huntington, UT
    Jan. 9, 2017 10:16 a.m.

    4. We raise cattle and can actually provide for our families. So much for that as we will see all of our cattle rights taken from us. But don't worry because tourist will be better for us than actually caring for our families! Right?
    5. So much for any future investments from gas and oil companies which actually do pay good wages. They just got told to got take a flying leap!
    I could go on and on!

  • Mig welder Huntington, UT
    Jan. 9, 2017 10:16 a.m.

    @Prometheus Platypus - Orem, UT.
    You said "Please elaborate, what "way of life" is being destroyed?" Ok here it is.
    1. You and every other millionth tourist Will be a burden to us and the land. We make sacrifices to live rural. Our pay off is that it is peace and quite unlike your city. With this being a monument it will become another Zions, Capital reef, etc. No more peace and quite.
    2. We love and respect this land. We know it intimately. Now we will be told to remove our self's from it. What little access we will have will require money. And vandalism will increase!
    3. We might get a few jobs which would be great if we want our children to make beds in hotels the rest of there life or maybe they can wait tables and provide for their families with horrible wages.

  • Prometheus Platypus Orem, UT
    Jan. 9, 2017 10:15 a.m.

    @Common Sense Guy

    So do you think that the government is charged with providing jobs to small communities?

    You are incorrect on many of your statements.

    Hunting, fishing, collecting firewood, and many other recreation activities will remain.

    The only thing locked out is your big corps interested in removing the natural resources and leaving the mess for the locals or feds to clean up.

    The Basin is a perfect example of oil and gas out of control, and the local economies rollercoaster of boom bust with the price of gas. Not to mention ozone in the summer that is directly linked to the filthy extractive industry.

    Tourism is quickly becoming Utah's largest source of revenue, and it's the gift that keeps giving.

  • Common Sense Guy Richfield, UT
    Jan. 9, 2017 9:11 a.m.

    In 1996 when the Grand Staircase Escalante National Monument was created, Escalante High School had 150 students attending their High School. 30 years later, they have 50 students and they are under pressure to close the schools and bus the children to Bryce Valley Schools. There is your case study!

  • Common Sense Guy Richfield, UT
    Jan. 9, 2017 9:10 a.m.

    In Reply to Prometheus Platypus - Orem, UT. If it is an honest question I will give you an honest answer. The problem with the monument designation is it locks out any other activity from a very large swath of land. So all mining, drilling, grazing, timber harvesting, wood cutting, recreational use other than hiking in prohibited. All of the above activities are job creators for the area. There we be no mining contracts, no oil or gas contracts, ect. which in turn kills the demand for labor, for truck driving ect. It kills the demand for ATV sales and rentals. Ranchers who have depended on the rangeland have to reduce their herd size or buy additional private property, which I don't know if you have looked at the price of private property, but in most cases it is not affordable, so it effectively causes many to sell out or try to hang on with a smaller operation and get an additional job to help them make it, which in turn creates more competition for less jobs. If you want an example of what a monument designation does to an area, please look up some statistics about the town of Escalante. ( I will share some in my next post)

  • Captain Green Heber City, UT
    Jan. 9, 2017 8:32 a.m.

    They'd better not get too far into their plans, because in a few weeks the new administration will undo this travesty. Some have stated in other comments here that the majority of Utahans want this monument. But that is patently not true. Most of us want the federal government out of our lives as much as we can possibly push for. This is just another example of federal over-reach, which must be stopped.

  • Prometheus Platypus Orem, UT
    Jan. 9, 2017 8:23 a.m.

    Mig welder said: "Out reach?? This is such a slap in the face for rural Utahans.
    Let us destroy your way of life and then we will outreach to you. What a joke."

    Please elaborate, what "way of life" is being destroyed?

    I have yet to hear of any Group of folks losing jobs over this monument, so please with your rural Utahan insight please elaborate more than..."What a Joke."

  • CMO Beaver Beaver, UT
    Jan. 9, 2017 7:44 a.m.

    this should be fun...

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 9, 2017 7:10 a.m.

    The most heartening news about Bears Ears is the celebration of hundreds of members of the multiple tribes that advocated for this monument.

    Utes and Navajos were historic enemies, yet they've come together in support of Bears Ears (which was previously known only by its Navajo name, Dineh Bekeyah).

    The minority of Utahns who didn't want the monument should follow the example set by the Navajo, and let Native American and Utah majority desires for this monument prevail, and let hostilities over the monument die down.

    The very *last* thing the State of Utah needs is the impression the larger population is tone deaf to the desires of multiple Native American tribes.

  • Mig welder Huntington, UT
    Jan. 9, 2017 7:03 a.m.

    Out reach??
    This is such a slap in the face for rural Utahans.
    Let us destroy your way of life and then we will outreach to you.
    What a joke.

  • Utefan60 Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 9, 2017 6:31 a.m.

    samhill - Salt Lake City, UT, every one of the last 16 Presidents including GOP Presidents have used the Antiquities Act.

    Just because Obama does it, he is now in the wrong? It is important that people first understand the Antiquities Act, and second to know about the public ownership of land.

    This land was not owned by the State of Utah. it is owned by all US citizens.

    Most Utah citizens (70%) in a recent poll wanted this monument.

  • JoCo Ute Grants Pass, OR
    Jan. 8, 2017 10:01 p.m.

    Re: Mack2828 put "this land back in the hands of the people"? That's exactly what the Bears Ears N M does. Takes the land away from a few greedy corporations operating under an out of date law from the 1800's and opens it up for all the people. Sad to see so many short sighted people who can't see beyond their wallets to realize that their children, grandchildren and generations to come will have access to this incredible land.

  • The Rock Federal Way, WA
    Jan. 8, 2017 7:30 p.m.

    Don't do anything and give Trump the opportunity to undo the damage, with a stroke of a pen.

  • Mack2828 Ft Thomas, KY
    Jan. 8, 2017 7:23 p.m.

    No worries. Give Trump a few weeks and a swipe of his pen and this land will be back in the hands of the people.

  • stevo123 slc, ut
    Jan. 8, 2017 7:06 p.m.

    BENM will improve Utah in so many ways, I'am glad it has happened.

  • samhill Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 8, 2017 6:35 p.m.

    Just the more recent example of the same imperialistic presumption of power that Obama has demonstrated for nearly his entire reign.

    While I am greatly worried that Obama is being replaced by what appears to be someone every bit as arrogant and self-absorbed, I'm hoping against hope, mostly because it would be so hard to be any worse when it comes to exercising an overreach of presidential power, that Trump will be at least some improvement.

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    Jan. 8, 2017 5:53 p.m.

    Excellent news. I am very pleased to see this precious land removed from the potential clutches of Rob Bishop, Ken Ivory, Gov. Herbert, the oil/gas extractors, the mineral extractors, and anyone else who would despoil the land and its artifacts instead of preserving them. Thank you, President Obama, for doing what is right and creating this beautiful and much-needed monument.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Jan. 8, 2017 5:17 p.m.

    "Supposedly this monument wasn't supposed to happen without public input," he said. "I feel like the input that was given, especially at a local level, wasn't even remotely listened to, so how should I expect any different?"

    Utah had years to come up with a compromise. Instead, we got Bishop's giveaway to extraction companies and limited usage to American taxpayers that own that land. Utah's congressional members did nothing for 8 years but fight against anything Obama. President Obama could have come up with solutions for world hunger, poverty and cancer, and Utah's delegation would vote against it. Utah politicians and voters never learn- you poke the bear and you get bit. They did the same thing 25 years ago with Clinton and in return had Grand Escalante designated. Now, it's Bears Ears. Payback always seems to bite Utah leaders the hardest.

  • photobeauty Blanding, UT
    Jan. 8, 2017 5:14 p.m.

    Nice article in some respects. However, the writer needs to realize that east and west are reversed when describing the boundaries of the monument. Highway 191 is approximately the eastern boundary, not western. The western boundary, not the eastern boundary, abuts the Lake Powell Recreation area. Also the eastern boundaries of the monument do not include the Abajo (Blue to locals) mountain. This is why the final designation is less than 1.9 million acres.

  • UtahTroutStalker draper, UT
    Jan. 8, 2017 4:47 p.m.

    Sounds like good news all the way around. Thank you President Barack Obama!

    Yep, I will still be able to hike in this beautiful pristine area without seeing oil pumpers everywhere.

    I am sure I will still have to deal with the occasional cow patty, but that's the way it is when you share the land.

    Sorry Exxon Mobile, Royal Dutch Shell, and BP - go look elsewhere.