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In our opinion: Welcoming refugees in rural communities

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  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Jan. 9, 2017 11:31 a.m.

    It's interesting someone mentioned Somalians. They, and the Sudanese, often take work in meat packing plants. Work, it seems, that no 'American' seems to want.

  • Husker1 Northern Utah County, UT
    Jan. 9, 2017 10:22 a.m.

    @UtahTroutStalker "You mean like when the native Americans invited the Mormon settlers into the Utah territory?"

    Now you're comparing Mormon settlers with Muslims coming from the war torn Middle East.

    It's perfectly logical to analyze the religion, culture, history, etc of refugees and make an informed decision as to whether they should be accepted or not. If these refugees were white supremacist Nazis from Germany, I doubt many communities would welcome them with open arms. In fact, I doubt President Obama and Sec. Kerry would allow them in the country.

    I have no problem helping these people but I don't see why they are being brought to the United States. There is plenty of room in the Middle East where they can live and thrive.

  • UtahTroutStalker draper, UT
    Jan. 9, 2017 7:28 a.m.

    @Illuminated

    "Lift and stand"? Maybe that was a good maxim when people were fighting with bows and arrows or muskets.

    The people of Aleppo, a city which once contained almost 2 million people, has been brought to rubble by the Asad regime and the Russians. How can you lift and stand in that environment?

    Golden Rule folks, Golden Rule.

  • JoeCapitalist2 Orem, UT
    Jan. 8, 2017 9:25 p.m.

    Why are people hesitant to invite homeless people into their homes? Why are communities very resistant to building a new homeless shelter just down the street?

    It is because most sane people realize that a large percentage of the homeless are mentally ill, drug addicts, and criminals. For every single mother with two little children trying to make ends meet; there are three unproductive men who wouldn't take a job if it was handed to them on a silver platter.

    Inviting large numbers of homeless or foreign refugees into your community is a recipe for disaster. While it is noble to try and help people, there are lots of ways to help without inviting trouble into your neighborhood.

  • Gof kaysville,, UT
    Jan. 8, 2017 4:55 p.m.

    Got to love the fact that the progressives in SLC love to have refugees come, but think it would be so much better if they live in someone else's community. No, SLC is still the best place for all of them. I say pack them till SLC overflows. Besides, there will be plenty of room after everyone moves out next to the four new homeless shelters.

  • UtahTroutStalker draper, UT
    Jan. 8, 2017 4:37 p.m.

    @Pipes

    I called my brother and sister-in-law who live in Minneapolis. They have no problems with the Somalian refugees. It has given them many opportunities to share the Good News with people they otherwise would have never had an opportunity.

    @Worf
    "Welcoming refugees in rural communities may be inviting much future contention."

    You mean like when the native Americans invited the Mormon settlers into the Utah territory?

    Many of the refugees were only able to flee because they had money and some material wealth that they could sell just to get out of Syria. These are in many cases professionals, who have training, and some skills. Many speak English. Having them set up shop in rural UT with a little NGO and government assistance would most likely boost the economic development.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Jan. 8, 2017 3:48 p.m.

    Refugees are just another boutique cause for the social justice crowd.

    It goes into the same bucket as undocumented workers, homeless programs and STEM emphasis in schools.

    In all these examples they are calling on the taxpayer to pay for the unintended consequences of bad government. Their solution is even more programs and more money spent.

  • carman Wasatch Front, UT
    Jan. 8, 2017 2:58 p.m.

    To Hutterite:

    We need be pragmatic when it comes to refugees. When we bring people from places and/or cultures that condone violence against women and treat them like property, or that allow murder for "blasphemy" or for converting to another religion, or for homosexual behavior or other "sins", we accept significant risks.

    The gift of refugee status should come with a set of expectations and commitments to assimilate at least the basic values of a modern, democratic society. When a refugee arrives, they bring a lot of cultural baggage with them. When that baggage includes the values of hard work, respect for local laws, honesty, etc., we as a nation are blessed for our generosity. But when that cultural baggage includes the acceptance of violence, honor-killing, or other behaviors that are contrary to freedom, the respect for property and life, we can pay a heavy price.

    We need to be pragmatic in setting specific expectations, and rescind refugee status for those unwilling or unable to assimilate these basic values.

  • KarlGatling Sandy, UT
    Jan. 8, 2017 11:44 a.m.

    The Deseret News just published a piece on the economic troubles faced in rural Utah. It highlighted the lack of jobs available for low skilled residents of rural communities. In areas already facing a shortage of low-skilled jobs, how is it even remotely rational to believe that importing more low-skilled illiterate people from dysfunctional Third World countries is going to be an economic boon to Utah's rural economy?

  • Pipes Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 8, 2017 11:17 a.m.

    We need to look at the data. Go to Minnesotta and look at the impact of the large Somalian community. Ask a native of Minneapolis their opinion and then come and make a statement.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Jan. 8, 2017 11:03 a.m.

    Worf
    I don't think you're characterising the refugees very well. Google the cnn story 'how the syrian crisis came to small town Canada'. It can work here. I've had the opportunity to meet with a couple of the Syrians in Lethbridge through connections and friends I have there; they are warm, friendly people. There is an active and sizeable group of refugees from Bhutan there, too. They're buying houses, starting businesses.
    It's a big world, and we live in a really big part of it where we're always looking for more people. I think we found some.

  • James E Tooele, UT
    Jan. 8, 2017 10:53 a.m.

    @Hutterite: my understanding is that we were accepting them as war-time refugees on a humanitarian basis. Refugees come and seek refuge from the storm and once it passes they go home and rebuild. Otherwise they are immigrants moving here for economic benefits and that is an entirely different discussion.

    And the economic benefits of this current crop of refugees is unproven. The story described this small NE town as an experiment. So let's see how they do and form a conclusion using data instead of feelgoodery.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Jan. 8, 2017 9:35 a.m.

    James E...
    Maybe it's not over. Besides, why are we so concerned about repatriation? Isn't a commitment to a refugee brought here basically permanent? By and large they're going to make great additions to their communities and the nation.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    Jan. 8, 2017 9:32 a.m.

    Welcoming refugees in rural communities may be inviting much future contention.

    The history of these folks are filled with bitterness, and non stop wars. They will be offended with our way of living. This is different than Europeans seeking a better life.

    There are many ways of helping people without moving them in.

    It's a big world, and we don't need to squeeze everyone into one country.

  • illuminated Kansas City, MO
    Jan. 8, 2017 9:32 a.m.

    We can reinvigorate our communities by giving business a tax incentive to operate there. Bringing in a culture that is incompatible with our Constitutional values of freedom and human dignity doesn't help.

    A wise man once said, "Lift where you stand" . If these are, indeed, good people as the article suggests, then they are needed in their own lands more, where their values will at least be accepted.

  • James E Tooele, UT
    Jan. 8, 2017 12:54 a.m.

    The civil war in Syria is winding down, thanks to the Russians helping Assad and Obama not helping the rebels anymore. Aleppo was recently re-taken by government troops (or to quote the hysterical headlines, Aleppo has fallen!) and Assad is gaining momentum. It seems only some pockets of ISIS, John Kerry and the western media fail to realize this is over. So now there won't be a need to take in war-time refugees, correct? And when do we start repatriation of the ones currently here? Won't Syria need some of these wonderful people to rebuild their country? Or are we being snow-balled here?