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Is there a movement to depolarize America?

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  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    March 7, 2016 10:45 a.m.

    Hey Mainly Me -

    "Jesus is not a liberal his Government is way more righteous and superior to this filthy political concoction. Heavenly Father makes it very very clear that we are to be self reliant . . . "

    Of course Jesus is a Liberal. The teachings of Jesus are ALL consistent with Liberal principles and are absolutely anathema to "Conservative" values.

    " . . . this filthy political concoction?" I agree with that. There is FAR too much "Conservative"
    influence in government today. And if you try to quote some of what Trump and Rubio say, DN moderators won't allow it because it's so filthy. But the Democratic candidates don't talk filth, do they?

    "Conservatives" are far from self-reliant. Why do YOU think it is that "Conservative" states on average TAKE more money from the federal government than they pay in taxes. On average, the Blue states pay more money per capita in federal taxes than the Red states do.

    The Red states may EXCEL in self-deception, but they are certainly NOT self-sufficient. Why did Utah accept $1.3 BILLION from U.S. tax payers for the 2002 Olympics alone?

    Is it because Utah is so "self reliant?"

  • MGoodwin Murray/USA, UT
    March 7, 2016 8:27 a.m.

    I think there's a reason we aren't addressing to why we are so polarized in politics, because government has increasingly become involved in our lives. Used to just be something that was there but nobody cared about, but now who is in power can affect your healthcare, your money, the food you eat, the schools your kids go to, what gets taught in those schools, who you have to do business with, what can and can't be said in private or public, your work, the list goes on and on. People are more passionate now because it affects them much more deeply now than it did 20 years ago, the melting pot works when it is largely left to it's own devices, when it is used as an instrument to dominate the other cultures, then control over it becomes a match of every group trying to get that power either to protect themselves or hold that power over others.

  • Tango Dancer Bronx, NY
    March 7, 2016 12:46 a.m.

    Midwest Mom
    Soldiers Grove, WI

    The discontent and subversion that led to the Civil War can be traced back to the 1820's and the political differences on the issue of slavery. The people of the South had their religious justification for the institution of slavery; Northerners (attending the same religious denominations) learned the opposite. This led to the split in the various churches into the established church and its Southern version.

    Anyone, anywhere in the United States at the time could see the confrontation coming. While some in the federal government worked hard to preserve the Union, the conquest of territory in the West led to the final rebellion and secession of the eleven slave states in the South. Four northern slave states refused to leave the Union and inter-family conflict developed pitting brother against brother. Mary Todd Lincoln's brothers were divided in their allegiance between Union and Confederate while she was President Lincoln's wife.

    In fact, Thomas Jefferson recognized this problem very early on but had no idea how to solve it. He saw the issue as tearing the nation apart if a viable solution could not be created. This is simple historical fact.

  • Rikitikitavi Cardston, Alberta
    March 6, 2016 11:47 p.m.

    BHO squandered seven years and totally blew the opportunity to go down in history as a nation-builder/statesman. Completely agenda-driven, he has created the huge chasm which divides this once-great nation.
    BHO definition of unity and co-operation between left and right: I will give an inch but you guys on the right gotta give a mile. Okay, okay, you guys win. I will really be magnanimous, I will give TWO inches IF you guys on the right give a mile.

  • liberty or ...? Ogden, UT
    March 6, 2016 11:10 p.m.

    @ mainly me. instead of rehashing what you hear from the media maybe you should listen to his show. The stabbing comment that the secret service investigated had to be retracted almost immediately because he wasn't even talking about trump it was comment directed at his producer steve. Which if you ever listened to his show often you know that this is an underlying gag between the two of them. I don't think we can unpolarize the country it is hard to come together when 1/3 of the country wants to preserve the constitution,1/3 wants to tear it down and replace it with socialism/communism and the other 1/3 is apathetic attemtping to play the middle of the field. Compromise is great but your goals have to be the same one can't have individual freedom,equality, free markets, constitution and responsibility for ones actions when another part wants entitlement at someone elses expence, segregationalist special priveledge laws cloaked as affirmative action, collective oppression trumping individual rights, and laws and rights are subject to the mobs activism silencing opposing viewpoints. You are either for the constitution or you are abandoning it and that road leads always to totalitarianism

  • geekusprimus Little Elm, TX
    March 6, 2016 10:33 p.m.

    ". . . Because Jesus IS a Liberal."

    I'm not so sure about that. I don't think Jesus would have advocated conservatism or liberalism as they are currently defined in our political climate. He would denounce the conservatives as Pharisees and hypocrites, whereas he would have called our current liberals amoral and adulterous. I think a government modeled after Christ would more closely resemble the law of consecration, which neither capitalism nor socialism (all proposed economic policies from the right and the left, respectively, are variants on these systems) properly address.

    In reality, the extremists in either party are driving the divide. 43% of America claiming to be independent shows that Americans are not leaving their political parties, but those parties are leaving them. The conservatives become more conservative and ridicule any form of kindness or civility as "political correctness", whereas the liberals continually become more liberal and claim that denying anyone anything for any reason is racial or social discrimination. Politics is no longer a peaceable debate about the solution to a problem; it is an opportunity to fling mud and slander at one another.

    I would advocate neither, and it is my opinion that Christ would not, too.

  • Light and Liberty St. George/Washington, UT
    March 6, 2016 9:21 p.m.

    Gary O: I don't recall Jesus saying "I am the truth, the way, and a Liberal." I know he didn't say he was a conservative. He did say "render unto Caeser the things which are Caesars and unto God the things which are Gods. Unfortunately, it is something all progressives don't understand. If He were standing on the Mount teaching today, I am certain the progressives would be telling him what He needed to do for Government, not His kingdom. So, since the liberal progressives like to keep Religion out of government, the very least they can do is refrain from telling the rest of us how to incororate our religion into their government. I like things separate. It keeps things simple. Jesus wanted us worshipping Him, not government.

  • RBB Sandy, UT
    March 6, 2016 8:59 p.m.

    Nedric is on point. People are tired of having people dictate to them how to run their lives. If you think the poor should get more of your money - pull out your wallet and give them some. We have two types of people. One wants to have the freedom to do what they want (without hurting others). The other wants to use the government to compelling others to do what they think is best, fully believing they are our intellectual superiors.

    I believe the government already takes too much of my money to run programs that I believe make the problems worse. Bernie Sanders want to raise the top marginal tax rate to 90 percent and give out more benefits with other people's money. How do I compromise with someone who wants to move the country in the exact opposite direction I think the country needs to move? How do you compromise with people who believe that they are entitled to take what I earned if they can convince enough people to share in the spoils. I do not recall anyone trying to compromise with the Gadianton Robbers.

  • cmsense Kaysville, UT
    March 6, 2016 8:15 p.m.

    Democrats are getting more libral and Republican's are getting more conservative, except they've gotten rid of the "compassionate"part of conservative. The middle I think have been embarrassed and put off by the tea party types and are leaving the party. Give the tea party credit for being fervent, but its not a way to grow the party. Reagan would be called a RINO today.

    From looking back at the Reagan Bush the first debate, where civility reigned and you actually got politial poiints for having humanitarian views, Republicans were different then. They've seemed to lost their way.

    A lot of America is in the middle. 43% consider themselves independents now and they are the fastest growing segment. Unfortunately, with the moderates leaving the GOP those in control become more to the right and put off the middle even more. Only 26% of Americans identify themselves and Republican now.

  • Fullypresent Salt Lake City, UT
    March 6, 2016 8:11 p.m.

    A divided America is an America that can be conquered and further divided. A united America is an America that can't be conquered. If I were a ruler or leader in another country I would sit back and watch as America destroys itself from within. We are in many ways. We do not need extremists on either side but people that have the ability to compromise and work together towards a common good that will strengthen our country. Too many people are looking for more ways to divide us all. That is unfortunate. We also have to look at how we are viewed many outside the U.S. The see the arrogance that we are always right and always need to be #1. We need to work on that as well. There are many good things going on in other countries and many we can learn from. Our dividing on the inside and arrogance towards the outside will surely be our downfall.

  • FanOfTheSith Vernal, UT
    March 6, 2016 7:23 p.m.

    Well in the end, I hope that we have "common sense" to treat each other with love and respect and not preach divisiveness and hatred towards one another.

  • bamafone Salem, UT
    March 6, 2016 7:09 p.m.

    Gary o, my friend, spend some time in the scriptures, you may at some point come to an understanding of humility, love and kindness, and not get it all confused with socialism. Two completely different things.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    March 6, 2016 7:04 p.m.

    Hey Mainly Me -

    "Jesus is not a liberal his Government is way more righteous and superior to this filthy political concoction. Heavenly Father makes it very very clear that we are to be self reliant . . . "

    Of course Jesus is a Liberal. The teachings of Jesus are ALL consistent with Liberal principles and are absolutely anathema to "Conservative" values.

    " . . . this filthy political concoction?" I agree with that. There is FAR too much "Conservative"
    influence in government today. And if you try to quote some of what Trump and Rubio say, DN moderators won't allow it because it's so filthy. But the Democratic candidates don't talk filth, do they?

    "Conservatives" are far from self-reliant. Why do YOU think it is that "Conservative" states on average TAKE more money from the federal government than they pay in taxes. On average, the Blue states pay more money per capita in federal taxes than the Red states do.

    The Red states may EXCEL in self-deception, but they are certainly NOT self-sufficient. Why did Utah accept $1.3 BILLION from U.S. tax payers for the 2002 Olympics alone?

    Is it because Utah is so "self reliant?"

  • Midwest Mom Soldiers Grove, WI
    March 6, 2016 7:02 p.m.

    "And the people were divided one against another; and they did separate one from another into tribes, every man according to his family and his kindred and friends; and thus they did destroy the government of the land."
    (3 Nephi 7:2)

  • Mad Hatter Provo, UT
    March 6, 2016 7:01 p.m.

    Polarization of the political electorate is a time-honored tradition from before the beginnings of our country. There continue to be highs and lows which we have become accustomed as the natural course of political discourse to win elections.

    The most recent trend probably started in the 1990's with Newt Gingrich working to have certain negative words incorporated into the Republican vocabulary of political speech. This was used incessantly against Bill Clinton as part of a political strategy to return a Republican to the White House.

    It was successful with the election of George W. Bush and his "compassionate conservatism" strategy while keeping the negative aspects of campaigning submerged (see John McCain, South Carolina primary). However, with the election of Barack Obama in 2008, this dark underbelly, always present in the Republican Party since the move of Southern Democrats to the Party in 1968 and Nixon's Southern strategy, has lifted its ugly head and pushed aside the moderate wing to assert the vile, contemptuous, xenophobic, and racist face that we see today.

    But this is not the worst ever in our history. That is the polarization that resulted in outright rebellion and the Civil War.

  • Give me liberty Phoenix, AZ
    March 6, 2016 3:52 p.m.

    Defining compromise this way reminds me of the typical liberal way of defining tolerance--which is that we tolerate the liberals, not the other way around.

    Somehow every “compromise” in the last few years leads to increased government spending and deeper debt. Not one of these “compromises” have ended a single government program. I’ll believe the left really wants to compromise when they propose some social programs they would be willing to end.

  • cval Hyde Park, UT
    March 6, 2016 2:16 p.m.

    Love this article. I have long believed that the real danger is not from Liberals or Conservatives, but rather from extremists... on either side.

    I don't define extremists as someone wanting to kill someone else for their beliefs, although that would be extreme. My definition is someone who is so set in their opinions that they can't hear what the other side is saying.

    Most of you would see me as generally pretty conservative, except for conservative purists who would reject me as a moderate. Even when I don't agree (and I often don't), I make an effort to hear and understand. I am certainly not perfect in that regard, but I would sure like to see more understanding and respect and less out and out rejecting of different opinions.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    March 6, 2016 12:38 p.m.

    But, but, but . . . . . if America is no longer polarized, some very rich people who have become wealthy from fomenting polarization ---- think Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck and a host of other similar hate radio mongers ---- would stand to lose their incomes.

    Our politicians might actually have to begin to be honest.

    Never gonna happen.

    They won't let it.

  • Hope & Faith give us strength Utah County, UT
    March 6, 2016 12:24 p.m.

    The video of Bush & Reagan reflect intelligent and concerned individuals before our country became drunk with entertainment. They were honest to their religious convictions, rather than putting on a show or a front to hide their true duplicity and ugly, if not wicked, ideologies. It's sad people will consume just about any entertaining philosophy there is.

    I agree with everything Mitt Romney said about Trump, except that perhaps John Adams was right. Maybe democracy is doomed to commit suicide eventually. The ancient Greeks thought democracy would see the inexperienced eventually challenge their teachers until they destroyed themselves. And history has only proven that true. America may very well do the same. I hope it doesn't. But if it does, what will we do next?

    We have become dependent on an infrastructure that I'm not convinced could withstand a governmental shift, if it ever were to happen. As worrisome as it is to live in uncertain times, I believe all will work for the better in the end. But that doesn't mean it will be easy in the meantime.

    I've never felt more compelled to prepare food storage than have lately.

  • Nedric boise, ID
    March 6, 2016 12:11 p.m.

    I'm not sure that depolarization is the issue. It may be that your standard and average citizen is finally fed up with the ruling class. Doesn't matter what side they claim in politics. Of course those who have ruled for so long have no intention of quietly going away. They deserve to rule and the rank and file just need to get back in line where they belong. The primary issue may be MPC, money, power and control. Who has got it. Who can get it. How much of it can they get and how long can they hold on to it. Kind of like fly over country. We know they exist but they just need to keep their big yaps shut and follow the "real" states that run the country.

    It may be that all the ruling class has done is to awake a sleeping giant and to create within them terrible resolve.

  • Mainly Me Werribee, 00
    March 6, 2016 12:03 p.m.

    Jesus is not a liberal his Government is way more righteous and superior to this filthy political concoction.

    Heavenly Father makes it very very clear that we are to be self reliant and if in need go to him, your family and then to the church for assistance. He doesn't tell us to rely on the Government but says be self Governing. Love the sinner but don not condone the sin.

    Unfortunately we have two prominent LDS who have significantly contributed to this political divide. Apparently Glenn Beck is under investigation by the secret services for his stabbing remarks directed towards Trump.

    In addition to this, Mitt Romney has lashed out towards Trump in front of the Hinckley institute banner which now is being interpreted as having connection to John Hinckley who attempted to assassinate Ronald Reagan and has been taken seriously enough by the Trump team to have him decline the CPAC debate.

    Moreover this is having a devastating affect and causing a bigger rift in the church and bringing persecution to the church.

  • Bored to the point of THIS! Ogden, UT
    March 6, 2016 11:46 a.m.

    Polarization is the result of individual selfishness.

    People only care about what they need, want, believe... as a result they never consider the totality of our society. They only look at how something effects themselves. They never consider the 'other side' of the equation.

    For some reason, tolerance has become a bad word.

  • Iron Rod Salt Lake City, UT
    March 6, 2016 11:35 a.m.

    Is this similar to South Africa's "Truth and reconciliation Commission". ?
    With out fear of punishment people heard others people's views on apartheid.

    Personally I would like to listen or even participate on why we attacked Iraq and if our reasons for this action were valid.
    I'm sure there are articulate people on both sides who would be willing to share their thoughts

  • Back Talk Federal Way, WA
    March 6, 2016 10:58 a.m.

    You mean bring back the moderates and the idea the "compromise" is not a dirty word? What a good idea.

    Case in point, Obama could have still made every political advance during his terms if he would have supported rights on the other side.
    Healthcare: allow religious backed university's and other sincere owners of businesses not be forced to provide what they feel are birth control services that are near abortion. THe US back Planned Parenthood and a host of other government programs provides access to these same birth control products
    Gay Marriage: I still feel that CA Prop 8 with Civil Unions providing all benefits of marriage simply with a name that represents the unique relationship of same sex unions. Beyond that, however, not forcing businesses to "participate" in gay marriage recognizes the sincere religious beliefs of a good portion of america. Gays still get married . Clerks, cateres, photographers, and jUdges dont have to be part of the actual marriage.
    Immigration; dont declare war on States simply because they want the rule of law to be followed

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    March 6, 2016 9:50 a.m.

    Hey Light and Liberty -

    "Jesus actually taught these concepts."

    . . . Except that the teachings of Christ are not at all popular among "Conservative" self-described Christians.

    Why?

    . . . Because Jesus IS a Liberal.

  • screenname Salt Lake City, UT
    March 6, 2016 8:41 a.m.

    Cue all the comments blaming the other side for the partisanship, sadly free of any irony.

  • samhill Salt Lake City, UT
    March 6, 2016 8:20 a.m.

    "Some believe there could be a movement toward depolarization; others aren’t sure."
    ==============

    And still others are convinced there can't be.

    Polarization about polarization.

  • Light and Liberty St. George/Washington, UT
    March 6, 2016 8:20 a.m.

    Jesus actually taught these concepts. Can we teach these concepts in school? The polarization begins.