I have never questioned the ability of women. If everyone feels that way maybe
we can do away with affirmative action now. what do you think?
@ GZEYou're correct, Someday a woman will be a Navy SEAL because the
political pressure to lower the standards or allow limitless resets until a
woman eventually qualifies will overrule common sense. After all it's about
equaling the available opportunities for women so they're not repressed,
not about military supremacy and patriotism. While we're at it, to keep
from being "immoral", let's encourage our little girls to be pro
football players. That's a sexist barrier that hasn't been broken yet
but certainly should be because we all know woman are as strong as men and can
compete equally on the same playing field. We should never fill a little
girl's head about her pretended physiological limits (even though
they're very real) because that would be immoral. Six-year-olds will
eventually drive automobiles too. I think I'll start encouraging my
four-year-old daughter in that direction as well. That probability is a little
higher than the Navy Seal thing.
Red CorvetteWhat I would like to ask Kate Kelly is if she wanted
both the priesthood and the Book of Mormon, why didn't she join the
Community of Christ: problem solved. Perhaps she merely wanted martyrdom. In
which case, why should I be sympathetic to passive/aggression?So
what is it you want by being intolerant of choices you don't like?
@SRGriff:"Please let's get this idea out of our heads that women
can do anything."Women can do almost anything that men can do...
but, in the physical realm way less efficiently."As an example,
The Navy Seals just concluded an exhaustive study about women in specialty
combat roles and guess what, they concluded that women (even the elite) are
incapable of the rigorous requirements demanded of them in such roles."There are some women who are strong enough to do those tasks (Wonder
Woman comes to mind)... and some men who are too weak to do them."Now, before you call me a neanderthal, some of these same jobs and roles
preclude some men as well."Correct.
@Instereo:"They can't hold the LDS Priesthood which shuts them
out of any meaningful leadership in the LDS church whether it's a local
position like a Bishop or a worldwide position like being an apostle."Tell us... how many female apostles did Christ have in His Church when
he dwelt on the earth? He set the example for the Church leadership
configuration. Furthermore, females have their work cut out for them... at home
raising families. Right now, the reproduction rate is less than replacement
because women are out in the workforce trying to make something of their lives
besides what Mather Nature has called them to do. At this rate the human family
might soon disappear."My personal belief is that not only are
woman great business leaders as per the article, they would also make great
spiritual or ecclesiastical leaders."And what would men do if
women took over Church leadership positions? Sit home watching TV?
You're comparing giving birth to hitting a baseball? Really?
Some day a woman will be able to drive a ball 400 yards, or hit a 90mph
baseball. Guess what, that's not how we were created. Just like a man will
NEVER be able to give birth, no matter how many gender operations they have.
Doesn't work that way. But keep trying if you've got nothing better to
do. I'll just hang out at Curves with my girls so we can keep the men out.
I think that the leaders have proven to be fallible (and have finally admitted
it), such that unless a practice such as women blessing babies (which used to
practiced but no longer is allowable) is specifically disallowed in the D&C,
then it should be allowed.
SRGriff, Someday a woman will be a Navy SEAL. You are right; INDIVIDUALS are
different and all have limitations. But it is immoral to tell that one little
girl that she can't try to be a Navy SEAL. She can try and succeed or fail
- but not because she is female.
Re: WastintimeTotally, I mean, what has my mother ever done for me
that might be considered a blessing, right?In all seriousness, women
are held back in Utah, but it has absolutely nothing to do with not holding the
priesthood. It has more to do with the Utah culture that women should always
stay at home.The Proclomation on the Family reads that "men and
women are obligated to help each other as equal partners in both roles." Yet
somehow, many believe that it's wrong for women to work outside the home? I
wonder if some men are intimidated by having a wife who has a successful career?
My wife thinks many women just don't want the pressure and would rather
chill at home even after all kids are in school. Regardless, I'm not saying
that all women should have careers all of the time. But the Utah culture of
rigidly divided roles (and the subsequent largest gender gap in the country) has
significant negative consequences.
Please let's get this idea out of our heads that women can do anything.
There are several jobs in society that women just plain can't do because of
their physical limitations. As an example, The Navy Seals just concluded an
exhaustive study about women in specialty combat roles and guess what, they
concluded that women (even the elite) are incapable of the rigorous requirements
demanded of them in such roles. Wow! Now there's a revelation. With this
in mind, why would we lie to little girls and tell them they can be Navy
Seals?Now, before you call me a neanderthal, some of these same jobs and
roles preclude some men as well. Not everyone can do anything. Why do we have
to incessantly beat that drum and give girls and some boys the erroneous idea
that they can do anything when they clearly can't and set them up for
disappointment and failure. We all have limitations and can't do anything.
Let's be realistic and rational and stay out of imagination land when it
comes to spewing feel-good rhetoric about "anything is possible".
Christ chastised his apostles for arguing about who was more important and then
taught, "He that is greatest among you shall be your servant." I don't need to be a bishop or an apostle or a holder of the priesthood
to fully serve the Lord or bless my family. I actually breathe a
sigh of relief that it is not even an option for me.
White men are not inherently evil! It is racist to think otherwise. Evil knows
no race or gender as anyone can be evil.No, women cannot do
anything. Women have their strengths and weaknesses just like men do.There are many things women can do far better than me and vice versa.Our creator clearly says what a woman's place is. Women are never ever
supposed to exercise any authority over a man. When they do it causes problems.
Stick to what your supposed to do and things run smoothly.
Women can do anything... except bless their own babies.
It's reassuring to see other posters saying exactly what I thought when I
read the story's headline! To leave women out of "meaningful leadership
in the LDS church", is a very strange concept to accept in 2015. Yet, I
also see, in the very traditional segments of my Baptist faith,something nearly
the same happening. Of course the same is true among other faith groups as well.
All of this makes me even more happy to be a part of a more moderate Baptist
group where full membership/leadership opportunities for women are usual.
Great to see such a story of success and how one woman is serving as a role
model to both men and women to show how women can and are breaking out of the
traditional roles that the LDS still seems to sadly encourage - "woman must
be subservient to men at all times yet be leaders in their families"
Just ask Kate Kelly about forging her own path to success.
kranny - my thoughts exactly. Apparently society must constantly be reminded
that other peoples are not inferior to the evil white males. The very act of
assuming other peoples are inferior is what is making them inferior in the eyes
Women leaders in Utah forging their own paths to success sounds good and the
article supports that's headline but in my email the headline started with
"Woman Can Do Anything." That is genuinely misleading here in Utah
because they can't. They can't hold the LDS Priesthood which shuts
them out of any meaningful leadership in the LDS church whether it's a
local position like a Bishop or a worldwide position like being an apostle. My
personal belief is that not only are woman great business leaders as per the
article, they would also make great spiritual or ecclesiastical leaders.
This isn't news...women have always been able to do anything.
Unfortunately, too many have bought into the false media craze that women are
somehow inferior with less fulfilling rolls in our society. The world is messed
up in its way of thinking!