I am amazed by the comments here and the breathless news coverage of a man. Not
a god-king, but a man. Obama has disgraced himself and diminished his office
through his actions. We are not subjects, we are free citizens. We should not
worship our leaders, we should hold them to the standards they have sworn to
@Fitness Freak"being able to see all the roads blocked - just
for HIM"Would you be okay with all the security measures in
place for the PRESIDENT of the United States if said president was Romney(and
thank every deity people believe in that Romney's not)? Any POTUS is going
to have road closures and detours. It's not just for him. It's a
shame the lack of respect President Obama gets.
To "The Real Maverick" you and your ilk did not understand what I
clearly stated. Did I say that it was only FDR that caused the problems, NO. I
stated quite clearly that FDR and other Democrats that pushed socialism were the
cause. It took a few years for everybody to wake up to that fact, but in the
end, how many elections since FDR have supported Democrats. Think of wild pigs
being fed. They will keep coming back to the same spot day after day until the
the food is gone, and they begin to starve. That is what went on in Utah.When the New Deal required work, there was the support, however as that
changed to just giving out money the Democrats lost the support of the LDS
Redshirt said, "Obama lost the respect of the military because he pulled out
of Iraq with the Iraqi people begging to keep military there to fight off the JV
team known as ISIS. Obama also has shown a lack of respect to military
members."Obama pulled out of Iraq because we (President Bush)
signed an agreement saying we would at the time we did. From Wikipedia,
"...in 2008 George W. Bush signed the U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces
Agreement. It included a deadline of 31 December 2011, before which "all the
United States Forces shall withdraw from all Iraqi territory". (references
provided) The last U.S. troops left Iraq on 18 December 2011, in accordance with
this agreement."If you are going to make a claim that "Obama
also has shown a lack of respect to military members" then you should
provide some evidence of that. But since you didn't, I can only assume you
have none. And, of course, the person who the question was directed at
originally has also not provided any evidence.
@JoeCapitalist2Orem, UTThe military despises their
commander-in-chief. Many liberals think it is because all our soldiers are too
stupid to think for themselves. Just like many have convinced themselves that
the opponents of Obama only dislike him because they are racists.6:07 p.m.
April 2, 2015======= Who gave YOU authority to speak on
behalf of "us"?Were you ever / are now serving the Military or
working for the military?As a USAF Veteran and employee at Hill AFB,
NO - "We" don't.
@The Real Maverick "If FDR and his agenda was so unpopular why did the
majority of Utah and LDS members vote for him? "They voted for
him because they were so grateful to him. Utah was well favored with New Deal
@ Redshirt"You can thank FDR and the other democrats that
promoted a socialist agenda for the LDS church members leaving the Democrat
party."You might want to study a history book. If FDR promoted
church members into leaving the Democratic party then how did he win 4 straight
elections in Utah? If FDR and his agenda was so unpopular why did
the majority of Utah and LDS members vote for him? Do you think
unpopular politicians with unpopular agendas receive more votes than popular
politicians and popular agendas? That's a funny way of
expressing displeasure, isn't it? So I take it that you've voted for
Obama twice, since you obviously don't like him or support his agenda. But
using your logic you must have voted for him twice, right?Please
respond! And be consistent this time reddy!
Utah is not the only state that is largely irrelevant in presidential elections.
Only a handful of states are not firmly entrenched with one party or the other.
Few Republican candidates even bother to campaign much in California or New
York.President Obama has done NOTHING to try and bring the country
together. He is constantly poking a stick in the eye of his political opponents.
Liberal critics on this forum love to quote one GOP member of Congress or
another who publicly stated that they wanted his policies to fail, but they
can't point out a single thing the president has done to work with the
opposition.The military despises their commander-in-chief. Many
liberals think it is because all our soldiers are too stupid to think for
themselves. Just like many have convinced themselves that the opponents of Obama
only dislike him because they are racists.
6 1/2 years of daily negative articles from the Deseret News, and now this
from the Editors...‘In our opinion: Welcome, Mr. President
— please see Utah as a pretty, great state, not just a flyover
state’And you wonder WHY he's put us at the back of the
bus - like he said he would?======= Maybe he is moving
down the list of states he visits, based on who's taking in More $$$
FROM the feds, than they are putting into it?...
@RedShirt "If you base Utah's support of the Democrat party solely on
Presidential outcomes, then Utah never was a Democrat state because ever since
Utah has existed as a territory or state the majority of Presidential Elections
has gone to Republicans. Plus, if you go into historical documents, you see
Heber J. Grant, J. Reuben Clark, and David O. McKay began to warn the LDS church
of FDR's socialism. That when when things began to turn."Wow! This is a little short on Utah history. Utah gave FDR it's
presidential electoral votes FOUR TIMES! Why? Because they were so grateful to
FDR for what he did for them via the New Deal, which was particularly generous
to Utah.But you're right about the LDS Church's rejection
of the New Deal.
To "Gregory Hill" ok, so it took the Iraqi people about a year before
they began begging for US soldiers to come back. The point is that Obama has
been ignoring them for 3 year as ISIS grows.As for the LDS exodus
from the Democrat party, you are wrong. It was during the time of FDR that the
tide began to swing away from Democrats. I didn't say that they all left
during FDR, but that was the tipping point. Look at the historical data, how
many Presidential elections since FDR have gone to the Democrats. If you base
Utah's support of the Democrat party solely on Presidential outcomes, then
Utah never was a Democrat state because ever since Utah has existed as a
territory or state the majority of Presidential Elections has gone to
Republicans. Plus, if you go into historical documents, you see Heber J. Grant,
J. Reuben Clark, and David O. McKay began to warn the LDS church of FDR's
socialism. That when when things began to turn.
Too Bad he will never read the article!
Fitness Freak, other Presidents stayed in the best hotel in Salt Lake City when
they visited the State, often at the express invitation of the President of the
LDS Church. Why do you believe President Obama is entitled to less respect and
courtesy? Think about it.
JimInSLC, I don't agree with your interpretation of the President's
comments about vacations (which applied to family life and sleep as well). He
was merely saying that a President must put the public's work first and
sacrifice those things where necessary. He was not suggesting he would never
sleep or vacation or pay attention to his family life as President. That would
be unhealthy and unwise.RedShirt, your historical ignorance is
showing. The Iraqis did not beg Obama to leave US troops in Iraq. The Iraqi
Prime Minister (Nouri al Maliki) insisted that we leave Iraq on the timetable
negotiated by Bush. Maliki refused to negotiate the customary Status of Forces
Agreement needed to protect our troops from Iraqi prosecutions because he wanted
us out of the way so that he could promote without interference Arab Shiites
over their former oppressors, Arab Sunnis. The Sunnis consequently deserted the
Iraqi Army and tolerated (or openly allied themselves with) ISIS.Also, Utah voted for FDR all four times he ran for president, and by
increasing majorities. He was not the cause of the LDS exodus from the
Democratic Party. Try the social issues (abortion and gay rights).
To "marxist" in other words, you don't want there to be
conservatives and liberal. You only want there to be liberals that all think
and act like you.To "Esquire" actually the Democrat party
veered far left in the 1940's, and abandoned the values that they had in
common with the LDS church. The GOP didn't have to do anything except open
the door. You can thank FDR and the other democrats that promoted a socialist
agenda for the LDS church members leaving the Democrat party.To
"10CC" the GOP didn't have to plan anything. Every major decision
made by Obama has consistently turned out to be bad. The GOP's only
problem is not having a better PR presence to show the world Obama's
mistakes.To "ECR" Obama lost the respect of the military
because he pulled out of Iraq with the Iraqi people begging to keep military
there to fight off the JV team known as ISIS. Obama also has shown a lack of
respect to military members.
@ Sven. Kinda harsh man on that military hating their commander-in-chief and the
requirement to sit in on a meeting when the big man comes to town. I hate it too
when my CEO comes in and makes us all sit in. bummer.I am
disappointed that no one is demonstrating against drone attacks and NSA
intrusion and Guantanamo and his secrecy. I should have started something. Still
feel bad about not joining the brave protest at BYU when Cheney came to town.
Regrets, I have a few. Next time.
I am not a fan of any president, not just the current one, coming to this State.
There is way to much lack of consideration in having 'we the people'
move as we desire when a president comes to any location outside of DC. I wish
they would stay back in DC.
The comments when Bush came to Utah were soooooo... much more bitter and full of
vitriol. I'm so happy that the comments are more respectful this time
(even in their are still criticisms of the potus and his policies).It's OK to criticize... But the level of the negativity and rhetoric when
Bush came, and the bitterness of the protests... was VERY stark in contrast to
what we are seeing today. And very disrespectful of the President.I
hope we can keep it respectful.... that's all I ask.I hope
Obama has a good visit in Utah. And isn't harangued by protesters
(organized by our political leaders in SLC) like Bush was. And I hope we
don't have weeks and weeks of bitter letters to the editor from the
President being invited to Utah to speak.I hope I never become as
bitter and partisan as Rocky Anderson.
Utah is a fly over state simply because of the electoral college system. Utah
has never mattered in any presidential election. Its few electoral votes have
never been dispositive of the outcome. My vote and every other Utah resident
vote for president have been and are irrelevant.
Utah is a fly-over state for Democrats for three reasons1. There are
only a couple of electoral votes in the general election so the state
doesn't really matter2. The people "cling to their guns and
religion" in Mr Obama's eyes make no mistake3. The people - for
the most part - see through the Obama facade and have for some time. The man
can't stand up there with his sleeves rolled up and bark out a bunch of
political nonsense so there isn't a great photo-op here for CNN.
Gregory, 'Remember when Obama promised that he would not take vacations if
elected President'? His words are immortalized on youtube, just
search for the above quoted title. I don't care how many days other
Presidents spent on the golf course. It was not right for them either. Many US
citizens have not had a vacation in years. President Obama has no problem
spending millions in tax-payer money taking vacations, playing golf, and still
giving campaign speeches across the country. BTW, I don't listen to Fox, or
any other broadcast news. I'm what many would accuse of being a conspiracy
theorist, we've been lied to from both sides.
Those who decry the lack of two-party politics need to ask... did Utahns (and/or
Mormons) leave the Democratic Party... or did the Democrats leave them?There was a time - not too far distant - when voters in Utah, eastern Idaho,
etc., vigorously participated in the Democratic Party. But, for some reason,
those voters and their children, and the Democratic Party have apparently grown
apart. Did the voters change... or did the party change? Or are the voters
just to stupid and uninformed these days, to vote with the enlightened
Democrats? (That seems to be a common belief, based on some of the comments.)
@Irony,RE: "The "best-managed state" thing always leaves
me laughing"...Yes... always looking for the negative, not the
positive.Irony is... Are Utah children truly raged, and not cared
for (like Oliver Twist reference you used)... Looking around today.. I see a
lot of well dressed kids at our school.Maybe they weren't
dressed and fed by the State (or the orphanage)...===================@shadow01,At least you would be
polite about it...Were Rocky Anderson and his followers polite to
George Bush when HE came to speak... Nope.The vitriol when Bush came
was WAY higher, in comments, in protests, in the vitriol thrown around by
Democrats... in every way the disrespect shown to President Bush when he came
was WAY higher than ANYTHING I've heard today.So much for the
"Obama is the most hated and maligned President ever", narrative...It's been mild compared to what Bush had to endure (even visiting
predominately red Utah).If I could show you some of the anti-Bush
comments we had to endure when HE was President... You would see the irony of
the crocodile-tears from the same people who made those comments today.
Why can't Obama stay overnight in the military quarters at HAFB? Are they
good enough for our military - but NOT good enough for His Majesty?Why drive 50 miles each way? Aren't WE (the little people)supposed to
conserve gas?I think I know the answer - it has to do with being
chauffeured around and the extra ego-boost of being able to see all the roads
blocked - just for HIM. (I would've thought the greatness of that perk
would have worn off about 5 yrs. ago - I guess not)How MUCH does it
cost to book ALL the rooms at the hotel? Nevermind all the extra costs of
police blocking off freeways and city streets.I'll bet
Obama's glad its not HIS money he's wasting.BTW - Utahs
greatness as a state occurs NOT because of this Pres., rather, it happens IN
SPITE of this Pres.
Sven said, "Most of the military loath this man and what he's done to
our military." Your is not the only comment with this
sentiment. I'm wondering what he has done to earn this distinction. What
has caused this disdain from the people that serve. Was it his
efforts to end our operations in Iraq and Afghanistan?Was it his role in
moving the hunt for bin Laden and in giving the order to take him out?Was
it in his reluctance to put our brave soldiers in harm's way for a
frivolous reason?Was it his efforts and success in regaining respect among
our allies who distance themselves from our actions in Iraq?Just
what did he do wrong in the eye of the military and what has he done to our
This Editorial says a lot of good relevant "stuff" about Utah.But
it also reeks of "Welcome to our lovely state of Deseret great leader.
Please let me bend down and kiss your feet."Personally were I still in
Utah my voice would only be in unison with Hank JR"welcome to Utah now
please leave."(At least I would be polite about it.)
It will be nice to have him here.
As a retired Air Force member, I'll take a guess that Commanders are going
to have to force their members to attend Mr. Obama's speech. Most of the
military loath this man and what he's done to our military.I'm thankful I don't have Obama's name on my Honorable
The "best-managed state" thing always leaves me laughing. This year (again) our school children rank 27th in the nation on the
performance rankings. That's called "mediocrity." That is NOT
"best management" by anyone's definition.Reminds me of
Mr. Bumble's school in the novel Oliver Twist. It was also "well
managed" in that there was always a budget surplus. Of course the children
in the school were ragged, neglected, and starving.
Smiles.In the piece the POTUS is referred to as President Barack
Obama.Why not all three names with the accent on the middle name?Multiple mention of the Democratic Party in this editorial.Not one sneering reference to the Democrat Party?Hilarious.The DN will continue to refer to the Democratic Party as the Democratic
Party?The DN will continue to refer to the POTUS as President Barack
JimInSLC, have you compared the amount of time President Obama spends golfing
and on vacation with that spent by his predecessors in office? If you had, you
would not have made your ungracious comment, I think. (Hint: he spends less
time in both endeavors.) If you will spend more time reading the Deseret News
and less time with Faux News, you will be better informed.
Well said. All politics are local. Parties that attempt to drive a national
level agenda may have short-term gain, but it will end up costing that party in
the mid-to-long term (i.e. G.W. Bush, Obama's first term...)Welcome Mr. President. We disagree on politics, but respect for the Office
and the Person is vital to our system.
Tell us Craig, do you consider the Left Coast or the North East isolationist
also? Republicans don't have a chance in those regions of the country. Are
places like Massachusetts, New York, California, Maryland also clinging to their
outdated isolationism? Of course not, because they vote Democrat
Party...right? The reason you folks lost the last two midterms is
because people are sick and tired of liberal policies which are destroying the
nation. Interesting NO Democrats ran on the "success" of Obamacare, but
instead tried to distance themselves from it. Why is that? Democrats
have been rejected the last two midterms; you folks lost both the House and
Senate. No isolationism here, just the rejection of Democrat/Liberal policies.
It's been an interesting conversation here. Utah has become a
"fly-over" state because there hasn't been a reason for the
president to be there.I may have missed it but I don't recall
any national or international conferences taking place in Utah over the past 6
years that would require his presence, but since I don't live there I could
be mistaken.The president could have, and maybe should have, taken
time to enjoy the state's outstanding outdoor environment and activities.
He could have done that to support the Utah tourist industry but, of course, in
doing so he would have been subject to the claims of spending "tens of
millions of future tax-payer money on vacations" or some other such
overwhelming exaggeration. So he hasn't done it.The editorial
takes pains to point out the positive features of Utah that the president should
appreciate and understand and they are justified in doing that. Utah has much
to be proud of. So be proud but don't get a complex if every national
political leader doesn't gush over it.
Deplorable statements by conservatives and most of my letters are cut because I
favor President Obama. Nothing has changed in Utah.
It’s unfortunate that Utah sees itself as a flyover state in national
politics. But is that not to be expected in a state’s whose voting pattern
has become so predictable that Democrats now write off Utah as a lost cause
while Republicans complacently regard the state as in the bag for them?It didn’t used to be that way when Utah had a healthy two party balance
and was in play for both parties in Presidential elections. But to be a
one-party state is a surefire formula for being a flyover state. Utah’s
19th century heritage was that of an isolationist people within an isolationist
nation making Utah an American microcosm. The 20th century forced America out of
its isolationist cell. Perhaps Utah is still clinging to its own.
Welcome to Utah.Now leave.
How can he "fly-over" Utah... he's staying the night!=========@liberal larry,I see no need to get off the
Utah exceptionalism kick... what harm does it do? (besides contradicting your
Liberal-exceptionalism narrative)I think EVERY person should think
their State is exceptional. Why do you (and other Liberals) constantly try to
convince us Utah isn't?I'd rather have a positive-bias...
than a negative-bias.And there is the inconvenient truth... that
several independent research studies (with no ties to Utah) have found Utah to
be "exceptional".- Best Managed State (USA Today)- For three years running, Utah has won top ranking as Forbes Magazine’s
“Best State for Business and Careers"...- Utah has more
top 10 economic rankings than any other state (U.S. Chamber of Commerce) -Happiest State"The Beehive State ranked as the happiest state
on WalletHub's 2014 Most & Least Happy States In America"... -Low unemployment rates (3rd best - Bureau of Labor Statistics)...Etc...Why do you try so hard to convince us that we are NOT
exceptional?Doesn't seem like a worthy life goal to me. Kinda
negative.We should always work on humility. You too.
I doubt that Utah is a fly-over state. Pilots of Air Force One likely have
strict instructions to always fly-around Utah, to never enter Utah's
airspace. The office of president does deserve respect. Almost
half the people in the USA are in poverty and on govt. assistance and Obama
spends most of his time playing golf, spends tens of millions of future
tax-payer money on vacations, and his administration is bent on starting wars in
other parts of the world. Obama was handed a country in economic shambles when
he first took office and only made matters worse. He had an opportunity to go
down in history as being a president that turned the country around. I cannot
fault him too much; The last president that tried to put the country on the
right path was assassinated.
Salt Lake City is the crown jewel of the state. A beautiful city with a vibrant
economy and a research institution on it's foothills. It's voted for
Barrack Obama and has had a Democrat mayor since the 1980's. It's
helped drag the rest of the state into respectability. Come on down Mr.
President. You'll get all the respect and admiration you deserve down in
Salt Lake City.
@JoeCapitalist2:I don't know if Obama was naïve, or just
another politician peddling the "we need a united America" that many
people want, but very few politicians are serious about.I admit I
was hopeful - and I was naïve - as we've found out the GOP planned his
demise on inauguration night 2009. They were bent on sabotaging anything he
did, even disowning their own ideas - market based healthcare reform - in the
process.Many have said Obama has made race relations worse, not
better, but this doesn't explain the Oklahoma fraternity
"tradition", which is apparently much more widespread than Oklahoma.
Unfortunately, I have grown less confident that Utahns detest Obama only because
of his politics.The Obama Presidency has been a heavyweight slugfest
from the opening bell, and Obama's still standing, with the US economy in
much better shape than he found it. That alone makes Utahns despise him even
more, it seems.I'm very proud to have voted for Obama twice,
but Mr. President, I don't blame you at all for keeping a low profile on
this visit.Come back after you're safely out of office, Mr.
Editorial:Don't consider us a flyover state, although only 25% of us
voted for you in the 2012 election-- the smallest percentage in the nation."A myriad of ethnicities are represented in Utah,"UT's white population is 92.9%, #8 in highest percentage of whites.Cosmopolitan? Not evidenced by racial or class attitudes of the
majority of UT residents.Make a more vibrant 2-party system?If
that is a goal, DN could help by better informing readers of both sides of the
Don't act like a flyover state. Utah has a lot going for it, but the state
has put all its eggs into one basket. That makes Utah irrelevant when the GOP
is not in power. The GOP in Utah co-opted the Church in the early 1970s, and
since then, the culture has evolved into the false premise that you could not be
a good Mormon and a Democrat. It is totally false, even though I'm sure we
will see some commenters try to justify that false premise. This paper, calling
for changes, along with its owners, need to show some leadership. You
constantly take right wing, GOP positions, and do nothing to lead on making Utah
a two party state. As long as the close affiliation, which is in fact in
existence, between the Church and the GOP, Utah will continue to ride the roller
coaster of relevance. Do you think that is really a good idea, especially if
your mission is to take the Gospel to the WHOLE world and not just to the right
I wish the DNews would get off the "Utah exceptionalism" kick. I spend time in 4 other states, and Utah has its pluses and minuses, but
aside from its magnificent physical beauty it doesn't stand out as a
particular exceptional state.Maybe we should start working on
developing the trait of "exceptional humility"!
"with ... a burgeoning Latino population here"Yes Utah, you
are blessed indeed!
Thanks for this gracious editorial. This President is an exemplary husband and
father, who seeks to encourage fathers to spend time with their children and
fully honor their parental responsibilities.Whether one agrees (as I
do) with his general political outlook or not (as with Utah's congressional
delegation), this man deserves our respect.
The author is assuming that Obama cares about any of those things.Obama seems concerned with one thing and one thing only...his political
aspirations.If you can't help get him elected, or push his
agenda, or sing his praises all day long; then he has no use for you. In fact,
you are the enemy and must become the victim of whatever political power he can
use against you.All his empty campaign promises about unifying the
country...and being transparent...and caring about everybody, not just your
political friends...were just that, empty promises. We have seen nothing from
this president to try and bring people of different opinions together.
Aside from air quality problems, Mr. President, Utah is most dependent on coal
for electricity -- about 80 percent of our power comes from burning dirty coal
and the state has been very resistant to new high-tech innovations, such as
wind, solar, and the Tesla. Indeed, Utah has outlawed the
purchasing of Tesla as to not offend existing car dealers that sell old,
gasoline-powered cars. And our biggest utility monopoly is trying to add fees
to homeowners to discourage buying solar panels and becoming energy
independent.And outsiders, such as Google and First Wind, are
pushing the state's development of renewable energy. Not many locals
recognize its potential in our sunny, geothermal state.In fact,
there's lots of opposition to your EPA coal-burning restrictions. Indeed,
we even held the nation's first ever "I love fossil fuels" rally in
Price last fall, partly to embarrass you and partly to rally the troops to
protect our dying coal industry. We'd rather blame you than low natural
gas prices. But we need your help to move us into the 21st
century. Keep pushing for clean energy! We won't do it without outsiders
showing us the way!
As a longtime supporter of his presidential campaigns and the democratic party,
in addition to forking out money I couldn't afford to support his campaigns
and democratic initiatives, I am more than a little angry that his speech is not
open to at least the few of us Utahns who have stepped to the plate to support
him. I am going to have to rethink my need to donate to solicitations for cash
from the President himself and/or the democratic party in general. My wife works
at HAFB and 99% of the officers, airmen, and employees on base "hate"
President Obama with a passion. So why are some of these people allowed to hear
his speech including the ultra-right-wing congressional delegation and not his
loyal supporters. Seems more than a little hypocritical.
"But the national [Democratic] party needs to come, listen and learn of
local concerns and opportunities, rather than dictate and push national
platforms, which in turn push away local potential candidates and
voters."There is very little the national Democratic Party could
do to enhance their prospects in Utah, given the collective mentality of Utahns.
Big negatives for Democrats here are the national party's views of
abortion and women's rights, including reproductive rights. There are in the wings major issues which could entice Utah voters to the
"D" side of the ballot including Tea Party attacks on social security,
medicare and the ACA. For many Utahns of modest means these are existential
threats and could make the Democratic Party attractive IF and ONLY IF Utahns
were permitted some degree of class consciousness. The culture of
Utah does not allow such so Democrats will remain a pariah here until the next
big crisis. Obama acted too competently in the face of the 2009 crisis keeping
it from become a depression scale event from which the Democratic Party could
have leapt like in 1933-1935. For this competence Utah dislikes you
instead. But welcome to Utah anyway Mr. President!