Utah is making serious mistakes here. And honestly, if the taxpayers lose,
everyone loses there are no winners. Fuel tax is a ratchet and hits the poorest
I think it is horrible that I should have to pay taxes to educate someone
else's children. Mine graduated a few years ago, so now taxes should be
cut. After all, I am the center of the universe and everyone should bow to my
Granted some increases were necessary. One of the most important things needed
to offset the new taxes is a increase in the minimum wage. Other than a
Federally Mandated one almost 8 years ago, when did our legislature last raise
the minimum wage rate? Not surprisingly this subject was never brought up
during the last legislative session.
It is interesting that our congressmen manage to justify a tax raise to keep up
with inflation. I guess that is easy for a person to say who makes $174,000
yearly when the median family income is $52,250. The difference between the two
is $121.750. The difference is more than double the median family income. If our
representatives in congress and senators really want to know what their
constituents are going through why not part with that extra $121,750 and live
like the rest of us. Then we will see if they are so ready and willing to raise
taxes. Now we can understand why there are so many running for public office.
You can make three times the average income without feeling any of the hardship
or stress of the lower class or even the median class.
A five cents tax on gasoline is reasonable and badly needed. That would be
an extra dollar on twenty gallons. Population growth bring need for more
schools, roads, and yes prisons. Utah is still a well managed state. And yes
we do need a new prison. If you actually worked or volunteered there you might
just understand. Find something more important to complain about besides an
nickel for a gallon gas. I bet those who complain the most about taxes are the
same ones that gripe about roads needing repaired.
Tax payers have an endless amount of money.So easy to spend someone
So the state hasn't raised the gas tax for 20 years? Well, if I
haven't punched you in the face for 20 years, I guess it's time I do
it again!Legislators always make one big fat assumption -- that
taxpayers' incomes keep up with or exceed inflation. NOT!There
goes "best managed state" -- glub glub glub!
Gas taxes hurt the rural area's far more than the Wasatch Front. And there
aren't 80,000 a year jobs down here. And people have to usually drive far
more to get somewhere. Of course, Democrats never met a tax
increase they didn't love. Who knew that our legislature went to the
sitichon,The answer to your question is really quite easy. The
state legislature has been cutting taxes for ten years so the state is
collecting less tax than per capita than they were ten years ago, while the
needs for roads, schools, etc is growing. Now we are on the verge of a major
problem with roads and schools, and we have to play catch up. Responsible tax policies avoid these ebbs and flows, but politicians who
irresponsibly cut taxes force a later group of legislators to raise them
Utah ranks #1 in a very disturbing statistic: more students per teacher than any
other state in the nation. For a state whose citizens are probably more vocal in
stressing the importance of children than in any other state, this statistic
says that Utah is probably the most hypocritical state in the nation. If the citizens of Utah really love their kids then education funding must
increase significantly with the increase focused on decreasing the
teacher/student ratio. This should happen if it does mean there is a significant
tax increase. .
If I understand the tax increases correctly, the beneficiaries are going to be
the rural schools and their students are well as the rural population and their
road improvements. The people that will be paying more are most of Utahns to
help transfer public funds to those areas of Utah than have traditionally been
underfunded in the past. The purpose of tax equalization at the state level has
been to ensure that all public school students receive equitable opportunity in
quality education. And as state road system which is vital for commercial
development and access, rural state roads have been overlooked as major state
road projects have benefitted mostly the densely populated urban and suburban
geographical areas of the state. Of course such transfer of funds seem more
like a Democratic Party philosophy of equity distribution, but regardless of
political party, it seems that this major legislative effort is a bipartisan
effort at fairness. Even though I live in Clearfield which will not see much
benefit from tax increases, as a Democratic I can't complain. It's
the right thing to do.
The assault on taxpayers is unending.
All comments are futile. We elected those guys to represent us as citizens.
Instead they represent us as subjects.
The more roads we build the more we Need? Foolish. When a job is completed
remove the old bill. How about a slab of concrete Holiday to Kennicott? The
rationale for adding taxes is because its been a while? Why in blazes add taxes
when the previous one exists for a completed job? Can we assume that the UTA
bonuses are removed as well as a reduction of salaries?Schools again
including $1.5M to USU to recruit athletes. That's criminal.. Cover
inflation they say? What about folks who do not receive a cola etc..? Schools
will never have enough especially since they ignore every public suggestion to
make improve education. Schools are no more responsive that the DOE or the UEA
and the NEA.90% of the felons on the planet, with less than 10% of
the population. wE MUST utilize Germany's prison controls Can we assume the
UTA increased the egregious salaries and bonuses for itself?
Enjoy the tax increases Utahns!Elections have consequences! Remember
now, you voted for this!
Fair and Just under laws!Our Utah Legislature managed to finish their
session without addressing the most important issues presented to them.Proof of Corporate Share Holder's Money Being Spent on Bribery,filed with both House & Senate Ethics Committees.No news
media, or FBI or DOJ or UAG Sean Reyes or Utah Senate Ethics Committee or Utah
House Ethics Committee or SLCounty D.A.Sim Gill or SL police or Utah State Bar
or Utah Supreme Courts or U. of Utah Law Dept. or BYU Law Dept. or SLC
Television Stations or Deseret News or SLTribune or any Lawyer or any citizen
group will help ask the question that could change our corrupt government into
one the protects citizens from violations of equality. Corporate
Bribery like any form of bribery is wrong and must be opposed if we are to be
fair and just toward one another.When our governor Gary R. Herbert took
$235,000 from out of state oil/energy share holder's money, for his 2012
election, and then appointed their lobbyist Cody Steward to Utah Energy
Advisor:They created a perfect landmark case to prove intent to
commit bribery.That case is filed and waiting DUE PROCESS.
Someone's gotta pay for the millions of dollars the state spends on
fruitless litigation and studies against the federal government and its public
land policy. And, of course, the fight against gay marriage. This stuff takes
lots of dough and the Utah taxpayer apparently will keep ponying up.
So we needed a tax increase to a. give the governor a 37% raise, how many
of you got a 37% raise? b. spend a half million dollars with no
accountability to fight non existent wolves in the state. c. waste another
20 or so million in a futile attempt to wrest control of federal lands so they
may be sold to the profit of a few. d. waste how many millions to move the
prison out of draper that a few sitting and former legislators can make a
pantload at the expense of the populace, and if salt lake city accepts it they
get their own additional big tax increase to further penalize those who do
business downtown. e. continue to underfund education so the public school
system can be pointed out as a failure when they run their next voucher private
school subsidy scheme.sounds like the best run state in the country to me.
Our Utah Legislature managed to finish there session without addresses the most
important issues presented to them.Proof of Corporate Share Holder's
Money Being Spent on Bribery,filed with both House & Senate Ethics
Committees.No news media, or FBI or DOJ or UAG Sean Reyes or Utah
Senate Ethics Committee or Utah House Ethics Committee or SLCounty D.A.Sim Gill
or SL police or Utah State Bar or Utah Supreme Courts or U. of Utah Law Dept. or
BYU Law Dept. or SLC Television Stations or Deseret News or SLTribune or any
Lawyer or any citizen group will help ask the question that could change our
corrupt government into one the protects citizens from violations of equality.
Corporate Bribery like any form of bribery is wrong and must be
opposed if we are to be fair and just toward one another.When our governor
Gary R. Herbert took $235,000 from out of state oil/energy share holder's
money, for his 2012 election, and then appointed their lobbyist Cody Steward to
Utah Energy Advisor:They created a perfect landmark case to prove
intent to commit bribery.That case is filed and waiting DUE PROCESS.WE THE PEOPLE.....Demand Justice
It is now almost impossible for an older, retired couple, to travel anywhere
because of gas being at $2.65 a gallon; the fuel for planes, and trains, buses,
also goes up, prices to travel go up. And when they don't travel, they
don't spend money on motels, food, entertainment and businesses suffer
those loses...I am not certain that all of the collateral damage is considered
when raising taxes, especially gas taxes.But, there is one thing
that older people do, that doesn't cost them more than the cost of a
These tax increases must be making democrats, Liberals and socialist smile!
the Legislature and governor have made their day!Nothing makes a
liberal/socialist/marxist happier than tax increases!
So let me see, the population rises in Utah, and property values and wages are
on the rise which would mean more money already coming into the coffers.
Gasoline prices are lower which will drive more consumtion of gas which will
also bring in more tax reveneu. All you Obama hating republicans please tell
me how this Red state of Utah needed and could justify raising our taxes!Maybe its because the GOP in this state is refusing to expand Medicaid -
so millions of dollars we have already paid in taxes are now being spent in
other states.Wake up Utah, and let the revolution begin!
I was on a member of a City Council once. I voted for a sewer hook up tax which
doubled the current tax. I voted for it and it passed and afterwards, another
individual said to me, "you just voted yourself a tax increase since you are
building a new home." I hadn't even thought of myself since I felt the
increase would be better for the whole community and to offset the increasing
costs that were occurring. When the Legislature votes in new taxes, they also
After years of cutting taxes it became apparent, even to die-hard republicans,
that there are certain things government needs to pay for, hence the tax
increase. All the rhetoric about how taxes kill business is just
that, rhetoric. Poor roads, run down schools, and a shoddy community
infrastructure kill business.
Could Public Money be spent better? We have borrowed, spent, and
taxed ourselves into making 1 million people sick in Salt Lake Valley with bad
air.If we double the population in the Salt Lake Valley that is
overbuilt and out of air now, then we'll double or triple sickness due to
bad air quality.How many $20/hour jobs does it take to pay for a
$500,000 in health care costs for one person?Why spend billions in
public dollars to make a 2 million people sick when there are 28 other under
populated/employed counties for growth? We expand an airport in the
Salt Lake Valley below the inversion level when there is better land above the
inversion level for airport expansion in Summit County.We borrow
money to create an artificial water shortage.We regulate cigarettes
to stop their ill effects while we smoke tail pipes for hours on the Carbon
Monoxide I-15 corridor.A UTA ticket is 80% subsidized, CUP water is
83% subsidized in the sick air valley.Shouldn't the jobs be
created where the air is clear and healthy?Herbert is doing a good
job. Saying, "NO" to Salt Lake County and yes to Juab is a tough sell.
Can someone explain to me why taxes EVER need to be raised? The population
continues to increase and therefore one would think the efficiency of the tax
dollar would be improved just as the cost for a group for doing almost anything
is cheaper per person than it is for an individual to pay for something alone.
For example, roads and schools, a large part of government costs, should be less
expensive per person as the population grows, not more expensive. But
government seems to not understand how to do this, yet continues to promote
growth. If growth means higher taxation, why do we want growth? Where's
the benefit? It just means more open space lost to housing and business projects
and more taxes.
So there will be more funding for education. Good. Now, let's
use that money to do whatever it takes to buy our way out of common core, SAGE
testing, Michelle Obama's awful lunches and anything else than hinders real
learning and ties our teacher's hands. Teachers have become test trainers -
not facilitators of meaningful learning.If those two things are not
repealed, then let's invest in charter and private schools instead so
parents have more options when they choose to opt out of these awful programs
(as is their right) at their public schools.
Wasting money on Wolves, Sage Grouses, and Prison Relocation...Utah
Legislated...just to mention few. Use your vote to put someone in office that
will represent you instead of just an "R" by their name. Utah needs a
system with checks and balances.
There is a missing part of info here. The raise in the fuel tax will not effect
the average Utah driver very much and will be subsidized by the millions of
gallons/nickles, purchased by out of state visitors to the Great State of Utah.
I would think that the governing body might have raise additional funding by a
tax on water usage at golf courses, and convention centers, a resort tax, and
higher fuel taxes for private jet fuel. I live on an income of $7,400 a year,
and afford a car, insurance and sometimes, gas.
Hey! when did the Tax and spend Democrats take over the governor office and
Good for the legislature! $50 a year on property taxes is next to nothing, and
those taxes are needed and long over due. Our transportation system and
education system need the boost. I have relatives that live outside of Utah and
they pay thousands more in property taxes. Utah is still the best place to live!
Tax increase with a surplus? Why?
I understand the angst of a rise in taxes; there are few who welcome tax
increases. Yet, the cost of doing government business and offering quality
critical services, such as schools and roads, continues to increase yearly. Here
in Illinois we are seeing the price of keeping up services (of course,
multiplied by 20 years of foolish mismanagement of pension funds) resulting in
deteriorating roads, a 10% sales and 5% income tax. Be grateful for your honest
and responsible governance.
No reasonable person can deny that this Country is under direct attack by a
cadre of left-wing extremists who seek to turn this Country into just another
European-style post-Christian socialist state. This effort includes the effort
to manipulate the economy. I thought I would just get this out of
the way now. I will let others figure out how this can also be tied to
Obama.(5 points for guessing the original author)
Things going downhill in Utah. Look at the governor, he could have vetoed the
I thought that it was the Democrats who were the tax and spend people. Maybe
there is no such thing as a conservative republican any more. My wife and I
moved here from an eastern state, and I calculate that it costs us around
20,000$ more each year to live in Utah. It was our choice, we knew what we were
doing. It was a good choice, but when will it ever slow down. Soon Utah will be
taxed at 50% like some places in California.
We continue to say we will gladly pay more in taxes if it would only go to our
schools. Once again the schools were shortchanged. The "increase" is
not really an increase. We are adding so many kids into the system each year
that the legislature can say EVERY year that they have "increased"
funding for education. In reality they aren't spending more per kid. We
are just adding in more kids so the amount of total money has to increase. It
is a shell game where they try to make themselves look generous by
"increasing" funding.To describe this as a "great
session" full of "courageous" decisions is ludicrous.Courageous would be to increase the WPU by 10% each year for the next 5 years
until we get out of last place in education funding. We now pay less in taxes
than most other state yet our schools continue to be starved.
What is life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness when money is my liberty and
the means of life and the pursuit of happiness. Dignity still means the same but
righteous interpretation mess up. So what's cool and what's not [got
or not]. Dignity is worth fighting for.
So much for the Republican lie that ONLY Democrat will raise taxes...
Those wascally wepublicans
The ill-conceived prison relocation also got $80 million dollars.
The Legislature, and the Governor, and the lobbyists all have lots of "good
ideas" about how to spend more and more and even more money on those good
ideas and pet projects. They very seldom terminate any program or
expenditures.Well, unlike the Legislature, the taxpayers do not have
the option of just spending more money and telling someone else to pay the
bills. Instead the taxpayers have to make tough decisions about what spending
cuts they will have to make.Sort of like in the olde days when the
masters decreed what the serfs must pay and not complain and do as they were
told.This has been a very disappointing legislative session, and
Governor Herbert's conservative credibility has been badly eroded as well.
If we wanted an irresponsible legislature and governor, we could move to
California. Or we can just wait, as we are headed down that failed path.
The legislature did the right things. They were overdue. I support them.
The reason Utah was considered a well run state until now is that we were
careful in how we spent our money. Now that we are apparently about to spend
hundreds of millions of dollars on a new prison that isn't needed, that is
no longer true.If we spend too much money on things we don't
need, the time will come when we won't have enough money for the things we
So, not only does a city get a prison jammed down its throat, but it can kill
its retail businesses with a tax increase. The other increases, I agree with,
but this idea has no brain power attached to it...Stupid is what