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Published: Wednesday, Sept. 3 2014 11:45 a.m. MDT

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Ted H.
Midvale, UT

The comments that actually make it through the Deseret News censors have indeed been very kind. I certainly don't mean to minimize how good this is - but lets also not have our head in the sand and pretend that is representative of all comments being made.

If one read just the comments allowed by the Deseret News in these Max Hall stories one would think world peace has been solved and Max was 100% wrong in his comments. But if one read through the comments on the SL Tribune or facebook, the opposite would seem to be true.

Ken
Sandy, UT

@Ted, as Utah fan I have to agree with you. Its been refreshing to see kindness on these boards for a change. Its likewise pretty sickening to read what is being said of him in other forums.

RepresentBlue
West Jordan, UT

This whole situation has caused me to reflect on my own behavior as a BYU fan. I will admit that I have, on more than one occasion, chuckled when a current or former Ute player was caught doing something illegal, and I am ashamed of that now. A stupid sports rivalry should never cause one human being to find satisfaction or amusement from the personal struggles of another human being. I know this is something the Savior would NEVER do or condone, and I hope this will be an opportunity for people, regardless of fan affiliation, to remember to show more class as many have done in this situation. Maybe that would be something positive that could come out of this sad situation. My prayers are with Max Hall and his family.

Alpine alum
Alpine, UT

Max, most importantly for yourself, but also for your family, friends, neighbors, community,and football fans everywhere - get help. This not likely something you can do on your own. Good luck overcoming those demons.

Schnee
Salt Lake City, UT

@Ted H.
Eh, I'm part of a Ute fan group on facebook and the comments there were around 2/3 kind, 1/6 completely unkind and 1/6 had both a kind remark and cheap shot.

The Tribune on the other hand...yeah I'm not sorting through that mess.

CougarSunDevil
Phoenix, AZ

Are we going to have as many of these "Max Hall" articles as we do the "Jake Heaps" articles because at some point this is going to be overkill. Wait a minute. We've reached that point already.

Chris B

"I've been to byu stadium and experienced the worst fan behavior I've seen in my life, and I've been to half a dozen NFL stadiums and over 15 college football stadiums."

So have I and the two worst fan behavior I've been to is in Tucson, AZ ('university' of Arizona) and Salt Lake City ('university' of Utah).

SigmaBlue
Centerville, UT

Regardless of what anyone thinks of Max Hall, we are all fellow children of God and Max and his family need our prayers and support now more than ever. This will not only be a defining moment for Max, but for all of us. The time is past for those things that divide us and we need to stand united as fellow human beings. How can we expect to be forgiven of our own sins if we don't forgive others with all our hearts. We are all Max Hall.

Bobster
Boise, ID

Max's misfortune has put the rivalry in perspective. I hope and pray he gets the help he needs to put this behind him. In a season where, unfortunately, the Utes and Cougars do not face each other, Go Utes! Go Cougars! (And especially the Cougars).

Balan
South Jordan, Utah

I really wish someone would commission an independent study of what actually goes on during a football game at LES and RES, particularly when BYU and Utah are playing. It would be refreshing to get a view other than one skewed by the tinted glasses that fans seem to wear.

As for Max, I had a son that was lucky enough to get help with his addiction. Despite the drugs, he was level-headed enough to realize he was on the verge of destruction and that it was time to get help. It cost a lot of heartache and tears as well as a significant sum of money to get him the help he needed, and in the end it was up to him to choose what direction he wanted his life to take. Luckily, although he is still dealing with alcohol and tobacco issues, he has been free from drugs for several years now - and is gainfully employed.

Truly do wish the same good fortune for Max.

Red Corvette
St. George, UT

The bigger they are the harder they fall.

JonA
Ogden, UT

Well said by RepresentBlue, all fan bases have their bad apples. Sometimes BYU fans refuse to believe this about their own, but it is true. I cheer for Utah and I've seen BYU fans treated poorly at RES. But I've also seen mixed-fan couples there doing fine and opposite fans shaking hands and chatting. Some classy fans and some classless fans. The same is going on now with comments on the Hall situation. Many very classy, take-the-high-road Ute fans pulling for Max, while others revel in it. I personally wish him the best in his personal life, but disliked him a lot on the field. You have to separate the two!

EightOhOne
St. George, UT

lol @ all the byu fans clamoring for peace and understanding, as if this was alex smith or eric weddle they wouldn't be gloating!!! max or cougar fans get no pass from me. you wanna run your mouth about how classless other people are, you better make sure you're a class act yourself!!

azwildcats
tucson, AZ

Sorry to hear about Max Hall. Drug addiction can be devastating to the user and those close to him. It is nice to see classy fans on both sides come together in support of an individual. I have been in Tucson for 25 years and still follow the Aggies, Cougars and Utes. Watching and reading the childish PAC12 arguments have almost made me anti Utes. However, having said that, my daughter traveled to Utah last winter to visit relatives and was able to attend the Arizona v Utah basketball game (very competitive before the tournament). She had on her Wildcat red and cheered loudly. I am happy to report that the Utah fans treated her well. She really enjoyed it. I am glad we can recognize the difference between a game and real life. Without an opponent on the court or field, there would be no game. We should all treat each other with respect.

Schwa
South Jordan, UT

Max Hall's arrest has helped BYU fans come around to a notion most of the rest of us have had for a very long time -- drug abuse is better solved with treatment than jail.

eastcoastcoug
Danbury, CT

@Chris B

I've been to a lot of other stadiums as well and to say that BYU fans exhibit the worst really destroys your credibility. I'm sorry you feel that way but I really doubt you will see beer being poured on visitors or obscenities being shouted. I'm not saying there's not a minority out there who can't control themselves, but I know the sections I've sat in at LES would never even allow that of another fan. They'd be removed by their own. I certainly would never allow it from a fellow BYU fan.

And it certainly doesn't justify hatred or vilification of all fans of a team when some misbehave. On any side of the fence.

For my part, I enjoy a game a lot more when I chat up visiting fans and learn a little about their team and appreciate their athletes as well as my own. They're just student athletes, after all, and working hard to play while going to school - no small feat. Let's learn to value each other and look for the good. We'll enjoy sports (and other things) a lot more!!

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

EighgOhOne:
Well here's one BYU fan who wouldn't be gloating if this were Alex Smith or Eric Weddle. I think the point of the article is that most fans on either side recognize that football, rivalries, and trash-talking take a backseat to a person's life and some of the pain that comes with it. It's pretty presumptuous of you to think BYU fans would respond negatively if the tables were turned. Like others have said, you'll always have your classless "bad apples" on either side, but I think most fans in this rivalry have more perspective than that.

Mick
Murray, Utah

Eightohone-

You are proving what Max said is true. Kicking a man while he is down is the epitome of classless.

JonA
Ogden, UT

By the way I'm quite certain both fan bases are pretty bad compared to schools outside the state. For some reason in this state a lot of fans treat opposing fans very poorly. I see this all the time at Utah Jazz games. I once went to a Jazz game in Phoenix and was treated quite well despite my loud, borderline obnoxious cheering for the Jazz. That same behavior is met with very poor treatment at ESA. Not to mention Jazz fans (which are comprised mostly of BYU and Utah fans also) are very disrespectful to several ex-Jazz players, which is really uncalled for.

Sports Are Great
Salt Lake City, UT

eightohone,

What I think is LOL is the ute "fans" who continue to prove Max right. You don't want to be considered completely classless - don't be completely classless. Simple as that.

JohnInSLC
Cottonwood Heights, UT

"I really doubt you will see beer being poured on visitors . . ."

eastcoastcoug:

You've lost your credibility. You've never seen that at RES because the U doesn't sell beer there and thoroughly screens fans for such as they enter. Instead, you apparently took Max Hall's word for it, which, under the circumstances, seems ill-advised.

I, too, have seen boorish fan behavior at LES, including repeated insults and thrown objects. I watched from the stands as Kyle Whittingham's wife was physically accosted post-game on the field there several years ago. Neither you nor any other Y fan can claim the moral high ground on fan behavior.

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