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Why does Utah rank so low for women's equality?

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  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 5, 2014 1:49 p.m.

    If women are being paid less for the same work and the same type and quality of work, that is wrong.

    If women are paid less, because they choose to not dedicate their lives to their jobs as much as men, then this isn't wrong. This is a lifestyle choice.

    I suspect there is discrimination however, quite likely inadvertent. The fact that more women do make lifestyle choices to emphasize family instead of putting long hours to the job probably hurts those women who are willing to dedicate their life to the job. For example if two people are applying for a management position one a man and one a woman, it is automatically assumed the woman wouldn't put the same level of dedication into the job as the man, and most of the time this assumption is correct.

    If we want to fix this problem, a reliable method needs made use of to determine the life goals of applicants to various jobs.

  • Wally West SLC, UT
    Sept. 4, 2014 10:02 p.m.

    per Redshirt1701

    "...Utah was the bastion of LIBERTARIANISM. Utah believed in equality and liberty more than the rest of the US did in the late 1800's and early 1900's.... I really wish you would learn the difference between libertarian and modern liberalism."

    I wish you knew what Libertarianism is/was. It entails a high degree of personal & economic freedom. I don't recall Utah EVER being having a live and let live mindset. The most Libertarian city in the US in Vegas.

    Speaking of other states, Massachusetts started out being full of repressed puritans and look at them now. I guess this means there is hope for Utah???

  • GK Willington Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 4, 2014 8:00 p.m.

    to 2 bits

    "So... were the majority of Utah's "Right" back then? And now they are "Wrong"?"

    I said nothing about being incorrect or correct then or now.

    Due to the democratic party choosing poorly & subtle neurolinguistic programming that the tide has tuned in terms of belief systems.

  • K_ANN Palatka, FL
    Sept. 4, 2014 3:22 p.m.

    I do have to wonder if all the women with graduate degrees have worked the same # of years as their male counterparts or if there are employment gaps because of child rearing. I am also concerned by the presumption that women can only be represented by other females in elected office (the same goes for racial representation) Are there no common interests that all Americans share that can be met by one official?

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    Sept. 4, 2014 12:37 p.m.

    To "LDS Liberal" says the guy who doesn't even know what his own religion says about liberalism, socialism, and communism.

    You don't understand what the church you claim membership in has stated as doctrine, and now you want me to believe what you have to say about the Pioneers and early Utah history.

    I might as well ask a blind man to describe what the Grand Canyon looks like.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Sept. 4, 2014 12:17 p.m.

    @Mikhail
    ALPINE, UT

    You are mistaken to belief that the "war" is being waged by conservatives.

    5:13 p.m. Sept. 3, 2014

    “Feminism was established so as to allow unattractive women access to the mainstream of society.”

    "I will buy all of the women at Georgetown University as much aspirin to put between their knees as they want. … So Miss Fluke and the rest of you feminazis, here’s the deal. If we are going to pay for your contraceptives and thus pay for you to have sex, we want something. We want you to post the videos online so we can all watch.”

    “I’m a huge supporter of women. What I’m not is a supporter of liberalism. Feminism is what I oppose. I love the women’s movement — especially when walking behind it.”

    ~

    Rush Limbaugh -- Mouth piece of Right-Wing Radio, and Head of Limbaugh Institute of Conservative Studies.]

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    USU-Logan
    Logan, UT
    @RedShirt1701
    "Utah was the bastion of LIBERTARIANISM"?

    That is new.
    ...
    Saying Utah was the bastion of LIBERTARIANISM is laughable.

    8:22 p.m. Sept. 3, 2014

    Great post!

  • Tyler D Meridian, ID
    Sept. 4, 2014 11:14 a.m.

    @pragmatistferlife – “The workplace like most of the world is much more complicated than simply if A is true and A equals B then B is true.”

    That’s a fair point and I admit to a (college leftover) bias in believing markets tend towards competitive equilibrium – something I’ve come to question a great deal lately.

    Behavior Economics is beginning to shed light on some of these classical economic biases and the real effects they have on markets, but that work seems to be in its infancy and has a long way to go to show that the basic tendency towards competitive equilibrium does not still hold in most cases.

    Culture does appear to play a strong role though and perhaps is a driver of the disparity we see in Utah. That said, I still believe the wage gap (when distorting factors are controlled for) is smaller than what the mainstream media typically portrays.

  • Utes Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 4, 2014 10:55 a.m.

    @marxist

    You have an absolutely grotesque mis-understanding of the LDS faith and gender roles.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    Sept. 4, 2014 9:39 a.m.

    To Tyler, and Joe Capitalist; The workplace like most of the world is much more complicated than simply if A is true and A equals B then B is true.

    Most corporations control entry level wages very well and they are usually set to pay as little as possible so you do in fact find a female bias in places like call centers. A lot of other factors such as labor supply effect this also but in general....

    When you start to see the biases take effect is when the job is pretty much out of the public view (higher up the ladder). Then rarely does cost of the position play a role. These jobs have ranges and value added is the governing principle and that is pretty much subjective.

    So reality is you go from let's pay as little as possible to what value will this person add.

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    Sept. 4, 2014 8:32 a.m.

    To "USU-Logan" go back and read what I said. I said that Utah WAS, as in past tense, as in not so much any more.

    I know that you are a college student, but I hope that you can take some time to look at history and see just how much the pioneers were like modern moderate libertarians.

  • Bob K Davis, CA
    Sept. 4, 2014 1:59 a.m.

    Sorry, I did not see anything in the article or comments that indicated that the income discrepancy for women in Utah might be due to a doctrine of the lds church that might need revisiting, or a mistaken practice among lds people that might bear scrutiny.

    Everything that is good can further improve, folks!

    Anecdotal evidence about Utah suggests "mormon males run everything" -- is that true? is it how it should be? Does God really want it that way or are the men being a bit blind?

    A bit of questioning of the status quo might be in order.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 4, 2014 12:12 a.m.

    I have been wont to say in the past that Utah has a lot in common with so-called "Islamic Republics." I have had the misfortune to get very familiar with Islam, and I now know how right I have been. The LDS faith is very conservative in its assignment of gender roles - much like Islam. Also in the LDS faith men are to rule (preside), women are to follow - just like Islam. In both women are to OBEY their husbands and men in general. In both men are to work outside of the home and women are to stay in the home (of course is Islam it is really severe in that a woman cannot leave without her husbands permission).

    When it gets right down to it, in Utah women are not supposed to work outside of the home and our pay differential reflects that point of view. Moreover, Utah (LDS) women do not try to even things out because they feel shamed when they work in various professions.

    I have nothing against full time motherhood provided it is the woman's CHOICE and hers alone.

  • sensible advocate slc, UT
    Sept. 3, 2014 11:45 p.m.

    Pretend for a minute there was a woman who didn't have kids.
    Pretend for a minute there was a woman who had kids but their husband died.
    Utah is 2nd to last in equality for these women in the workplace.
    It is shameful that so many men come on here and defend this.
    Equal pay for equal work.

  • USU-Logan Logan, UT
    Sept. 3, 2014 8:22 p.m.

    @RedShirt1701
    "Utah was the bastion of LIBERTARIANISM"?

    That is new.
    How many Utahns voted for Gary Johnson in 2012? Bob Barr in 2008?
    How many Utahns support gay marriage?
    and how many true Libertarians oppose gay marriage?
    How many Utahns support drug decriminalization?
    and how many true Libertarians not support drug decriminalization?

    Saying Utah was the bastion of LIBERTARIANISM is laughable.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Sept. 3, 2014 6:31 p.m.

    Conservatives left the democrat party or felt like the democrat party left them when the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed by a democrat President.

    Gee, I wonder why? And seeing how conservatives are reacting to today's minorities and their discrimination, it's not hard to see why.

  • Mikhail ALPINE, UT
    Sept. 3, 2014 5:13 p.m.

    @FT

    The "war on women" is led and advocated by those who believe they benefit by creating the "war." There are cultural distinctions between various jurisdictions which may explain the disparities, but I don't believe that the results of this particular study place "value" on anything other than money, as compensation.

    You are mistaken to belief that the "war" is being waged by conservatives. I don't see or hear many conservatives advocating that women should be paid less money for doing the same job. Neither do you hear the ad-vocation of lack of gratitude for the hard work of women - in the work place (at the office, or in the home) from conservatives. Rather, it is the victimization of classes of people that create these "diversities" of treatment. This is done to demonize those whose standards stand apart from the "progressive" thought.

  • VIDAR Murray, UT
    Sept. 3, 2014 3:46 p.m.

    113th congress (2013-2015)
    SENATE
    Out of 100 senators 20 are women
    16 are democrats
    4 are republican
    HOUSE OF REPRESENATIVES
    Out of 435 Representatives 82 are women
    63 are democrats
    19 are republican

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    Sept. 3, 2014 1:39 p.m.

    LDS Liberal, I know more women that are Democrats that have had breast surgery than those who are Republicans. All the rest of the stuff you listed doesn't have anything to do with political persuasion. It is rampant across the board and knows no political ideology. And since gay marriage, marijuana, or Obamacare aren't mentioned anywhere in the Book of Mormon, how do you know?

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    Sept. 3, 2014 1:35 p.m.

    Yea, I agree. Women where I work get paid on average more than the men.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Sept. 3, 2014 12:56 p.m.

    2 bits
    Cottonwood Heights, UT
    @Open Minded Mormon,

    I agree with everything you posted @ 9:03 a.m.

    So... the question is... what changed? The Democrat Party? Or almost every individual in Utah?

    If you think it's every person in Utah... what changed them? Because obviously one or the other has changed. Because Democrats aren't getting 100% of Utah's vote anymore. That's a fact, not an opinion.

    If you have convinced yourself that The DNC is the same as it was back then... and only the people of Utah have changed... what changed them?

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    The answer to that is easy -- read the Book of Mormon.

    It is the same thing that happened to the once righteous Nephites --
    Materialism.

    Greed,
    fine appreal,
    debt,
    McMansions,
    Cadillac SUVs,
    Breast Augmentations,
    Cosmetic Surgery,
    Anti-Depressants,
    Ponzi Schemes,
    Get rich quick,
    AM radio,
    grinding the face of the poor, sick and the needy
    and then thinking they brought their poverty upon themselves,
    loving WAR mopre than Peace,
    pursing Babylon,
    Mammon.

    BTW -- About the same things that destoyed the Nephites --
    and it wasn't gay marriage, marijuana, or Obamacare.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 3, 2014 12:47 p.m.

    open minded

    if you think the United Order is socialism, you need better filters. It is a poor counterfeit designed to fool the gullible.

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    Sept. 3, 2014 12:45 p.m.

    To "Open Minded Mormon" you are wrong. Utah never was a bastion of Progressivism. That can be found in places like California and Michigan. Utah was the bastion of LIBERTARIANISM. Utah believed in equality and liberty more than the rest of the US did in the late 1800's and early 1900's. Had they believed in Progressivism, we would be flying a red flag with a hammer and sickle on it.

    I really wish you would learn the difference between libertarian and modern liberalism. If you did that, you could also learn the difference between classical liberalism and modern liberalism.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 3, 2014 12:11 p.m.

    @GK Willington,

    So... were the majority of Utah's "Right" back then? And now they are "Wrong"?

    I just don't see how a whole group of people (who have basically the SAME beliefs they had back then)... suddenly became "Wrong" about everything...

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    IMO the Democrat Party left them... Democrats abandoned some core principles many Utahns had back then... and they still have today.

    It wasn't a mass brainwashing of Utahns that turned them against the party... it was a sharp turn the Democrats took (back in the 60's) that left many Utahs with a difficult decision to make. To vote for the other party for the first time.. and they continue to make that same decision today (with a few exceptions, like Jim Matheson).

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    A group of people don't all change at the same time (almost overnight)... obviously it was the party that changed...

    It's possible the party will change again someday... and get our votes again. But I wouldn't expect most Utahns to just start agreeing with Democrats on these key issues... Probably wont happen...

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    IMO Mormons have more love and respect for women than any group of people I know (including Democrats).

  • Tyler D Meridian, ID
    Sept. 3, 2014 11:42 a.m.

    @JoeCapitalist2 – “Obviously, something doesn't add up here.”

    We’ve disagreed on many issues but I think your comment here is spot on.

    No doubt women have been oppressed for eons and in some areas (and many parts of the world) they still are, but businesses have one primary objective – to make money.

    If business A is an oppressing old boys club and business B hires only the best employees for the lowest cost the labor market will bear, business B will drive business A out of business. Over time there will no longer be any business A’s.

    What disparity there is – and from everything I’ve ever read when you control for specific jobs, industries, etc… is closer to 95% of male pay vs. the 70-something % we often hear – must be due to some real value/productivity factors all other things being equal.

    Any theories for the 5% differential?

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Sept. 3, 2014 11:42 a.m.

    It's men who have been degraded. Ward Clever has been mocked, and men are being portrayed as dumb, and dumber.

  • GK Willington Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 3, 2014 10:40 a.m.

    re: 2 bits

    "So... the question is... what changed? The Democrat Party? Or almost every individual in Utah?"

    Easy. THe people of Utah have been turned **AND** the Democratic party changed.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Sept. 3, 2014 10:26 a.m.

    The War on Woman whether it is the workforce or in social equality is led by people like Montanman and other conservatives. They create their own reality and choose to ignore the facts. The GOP has continously fought against legislation for equal pay because they are the party of upper income, religous, white males. Those are facts and just another reason why they continue to lose national elections.
    I too have seen and heard first hand what other people have said here. Employers, especially here in Utah, use their religous bias to support their reasoning on why woman should make less than man.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 3, 2014 10:22 a.m.

    @Open Minded Mormon,

    I agree with everything you posted @ 9:03 a.m.

    So... the question is... what changed? The Democrat Party? Or almost every individual in Utah?

    If you think it's every person in Utah... what changed them? Because obviously one or the other has changed. Because Democrats aren't getting 100% of Utah's vote anymore. That's a fact, not an opinion.

    If you have convinced yourself that The DNC is the same as it was back then... and only the people of Utah have changed... what changed them?

    Did somebody come down and brainwash all of them???

    I think it's obvious that the Democrat Party left them, and most Utahns actually CHOOSE not to vote Democrat anymore. Do you have any EVIDENCE to the contrary?? I mean is anybody FORCING them to vote Republican? Have they all been brainwashed by some evil entity? What is it?? What changed them from the people they USED to be?

  • JoeCapitalist2 Orem, UT
    Sept. 3, 2014 10:20 a.m.

    On the one hand you have people complaining all day long how companies are always searching for the cheapest option when it comes to their work force.

    On the other hand, those same people often complain that women are paid significantly less for doing the exact same work as a man.

    My question to you is: Why on earth would one of those "heartless" companies hire a man if they can get a woman to do the exact same thing for a significant discount? We should have zero unemployment among women and a very high unemployment among men if all these conditions were really what they are painted to be.

    Obviously, something doesn't add up here. Are women really being paid less than men, or are they on average adding less value than do men on average (time, experience, etc.)?

  • Mister J Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 3, 2014 10:19 a.m.

    re SuperNova

    "The culture in Utah is very male dominated. We like to pretend it isn't; but it very much is."

    I disagree and think that its smoke & mirrors. If you look at the dominant sect in this state; its women who call the shots in most families.

    re: Mountanman @ 8:40a today

    "...LDS women are taught that their greatest value and contribution is to be effective mothers and homemakers and the men are taught to be bread winners!"

    "Not all value can or should be measured with money!"

    I disagree. If you ultimate goal is to be a full time mom. Why go to college, etc..? Why not go work in a call center which doesn't require special training.

    Look around at your typical LDS family w/ the stay at home Mom. More often than not, they are the ones w/ palatial estates and loads of toys all in the name of trying to keep up w/ the rest of the ward.

  • airnaut Everett, 00
    Sept. 3, 2014 10:05 a.m.

    ‘Why does Utah rank so low for women's equality?’

    ========

    Gee, I don't know?
    How about we investigate asking blacks, hispanics, Gays, and Lesbians that same question?

  • The Educator South Jordan , UT
    Sept. 3, 2014 9:26 a.m.

    Red states pay women less than men. Blue states strive for equality.

    It's in the stats. And the GOP wonders why they continue to fail at getting the women's vote?

  • Stalwart Sentinel San Jose, CA
    Sept. 3, 2014 9:26 a.m.

    Mountanman (sic) - Yeah, I hate to break it to you but nearly all studies put forth on this subject also control for the "women leave the workforce to have babies" strawman. And, guess what? Same results.

    No, we don't have vocation bias either because, again, nearly all recent studies control for that too by comparing people of the same vocation, experience level, responsibility load, etc... etc....

    Truly, you should read the methodology for these types of reports before commenting next time. In all sincerity, every single point you (and others) bring up have been addressed and demonstrated to be pure fabrication.

  • Mikhail ALPINE, UT
    Sept. 3, 2014 9:19 a.m.

    If the measure is dollars and cents, equality will never happen. There are many things of value - of higher value - than money.

    Yet, the beat goes on. Those who see their purpose as awakening others to "inequality" seem to find some great reward (or compensation) in beating the drum of fairness and equality. I find it interesting that these are usually the same people who demand diversity. Anyone else see the irony of asking for diversity and "equality" in the same breath?

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    Sept. 3, 2014 9:03 a.m.

    Mountanman
    Hayden, ID

    Utah, then Wyoming were the first states to give women the right to vote. So much for this totally worthless "study".

    7:18 a.m. Sept. 3, 2014

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    Over 100 years ago!

    BTW --
    Back then,

    Utah was also the bastion of PROGRESSIVISM.

    Unorthodox marriages,
    Universal Healthcare,
    Socialist/Communist [United Order],
    Social Programs,
    1st Universities in the West,
    Pro-Immigration,
    Pro-Environmental,
    Anti-Materialism,
    and
    nearly 100% Democrat.

  • Red Corvette St. George, UT
    Sept. 3, 2014 8:52 a.m.

    I'm only surprised that Utah came in second to last.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 3, 2014 8:51 a.m.

    @Those saying "women who stay at home do not affect the study"...

    Here are some quotes from the article...

    "The Institute for Women's Policy Research, an organization cited in Pew's research, also believes that women have made great strides in Utah’s workforce in recent decades"....

    "Wallet Hub's Richie Bernardo wrote in the study's introduction. "By highlighting the most and least gender-egalitarian states, we hope to accomplish three goals: help women find the best career opportunities"...

    "So what led to Utah's low score? Executive pay and political representation stand out principally as areas where Utah desperately needs to improve, at least according to Wallet Hub"....

    "the gap in pay between male and female executives in Utah is the worst in the country"....

    "According to Pew, local "job structure" has a large effect on gender pay"...

    "If the state's economy is driven by an industry that historically attracts fewer female workers"...

    "Mining, manufacturing and agriculture are all fields largely dominated by men, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, and they make up a significant portion of the Utah workforce"...

    (obviously being in the workforce WAS a factor in the study)

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Sept. 3, 2014 8:40 a.m.

    Ok, I will try again! A young woman enters the workforce at entry level wages, just like men do! Later, as is the case in Utah, a large proportion of those women make the choice to leave the work force and to be homemakers while the men continue to work as their salaries increase. So we have a tenure bias in favor of men! Also, there are numerous vocations (as the article points out) that women simply do not enter nearly as frequently as men-so we have a vocation choice bias). One other factor remains to be considered, LDS women are taught that their greatest value and contribution is to be effective mothers and homemakers and the men are taught to be bread winners! I will argue that society is better off with that equal partnership. Not all value can or should be measured with money! That is my point! Sorry if it is so difficult to comprehend! I now leave the discussion!

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 3, 2014 8:38 a.m.

    If the main criteria for "Equality"... is the percentage women make up of the work-force... then the answer is obvious. More Utah women think it is more important to make sure their children are nurtured individually by their mothers (instead of a group daycare provider) than to join the workforce.

    Just being part of the workforce does not mean "Equality" IMO. Being paid the same amount of dollars... is not "Equality".

    To me... "Equality" is determined by how much you contribute to the welfare of the family (not only what you contribute to the bank account).

    Contributing to the emotional and physical welfare of the family by staying home and being there for the children (instead of leaving the home to make money for the family)... is as important a contribution to the welfare of the family as going out and getting more money. So they ARE "equal" (IMO)

  • Stalwart Sentinel San Jose, CA
    Sept. 3, 2014 8:34 a.m.

    Mountanman (sic) - Read the actual study, not the article. The study provides you with ample information so you can review their methodology and analyze the factors that accounted for their findings. You will see therein that your point about stay-at-home moms is obsolete.

    The real evidence you claim to be looking for (I personally doubt your sincerity) can be found in this study and many more that have used various methodologies but reach the same conclusion: there is a major gender gap in America's workplaces and that disparity often widens if the local populace favors conservatism. I'm sorry to break it to you but these studies are the facts that refute your posts in this DesNews opinion forum which are, well, simply opinion.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Sept. 3, 2014 8:20 a.m.

    A close friend of mine was told more than once, by her boss who was also a former legislator, that he couldn't pay her anymore than the least paid male he employed. The position she took over paid a "man" literally twice as much as she was earning doing the same job plus. When she inquired again to the discrepancy she was told that men have families to support, women work because they want to, or like money. This is a sad fact that many, I fear believe round here, but would never be so arrogant or foolish to admit it.

  • SuperNova Eagle, UT
    Sept. 3, 2014 8:17 a.m.

    Citing Utah being a leader in Women's suffrage is funny. This entire generation has nearly passed away, and those alive are centennials. It's great heritage for Utah, but it doesn't necessarily reflect our attitudes today.

    The culture in Utah is very male dominated. We like to pretend it isn't; but it very much is. For decades we have been trying to perpetuate "Separate but Equal" but in some areas it has been to our detriment. I understand differences in biology; but in a functional/utilitarian role, they are very much as capable as a man in the workforce.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    Sept. 3, 2014 8:15 a.m.

    Some women choose to be stay at home moms "

    That has absolutely nothing to do with the study. The study looks at working women. Still you declare it worthless because of your non sequitur. Sheeez.

    I can't wait to hear all the excuses about how women start and stop careers, how they purposefully choose low paying careers, etc. etc. Do yourself a favor and research the study methods that long ago accounted for these phenomena.

    Women simply are treated as second class citizens in the Utah culture, all the while smiling as they march off into the sunset hand in hand with their man who's responsibilities they are thrilled not to have...ugh.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Sept. 3, 2014 8:10 a.m.

    Stalwart. I actually did read the article and nowhere in it does it mention any accounting for women who choose not to work outside their homes! I am still waiting for any real evidence that Utah and Wyoming have "shed the mantle of equality". Opinions are not facts!

  • Stalwart Sentinel San Jose, CA
    Sept. 3, 2014 7:59 a.m.

    Mountanman (sic) - Clearly, you did not take the time to even peruse the "worthless 'study'". Had you bothered yourself for a moment to do so, you would have found that women who stay at home do not affect the study's determination in any way, shape, or form. Rather, this study appears to have factored in a woman's access to health, education, and professional opportunities should she pursue them. Your point about stay-at-home moms has no merit.

    Further, simply because Wyoming and Utah were at the forefront of women's suffrage (ironically, this would be something folks from the Right would decry as extreme feminism activity were it to exist today) does not therefore automatically preclude those states from further scrutiny on the subject decades down the road. In fact, it's rather sad to see that those two states had the right priorities at one point but have since shed the mantle of equality - which seems to go hand-in-hand with the radicalization of the Right in those areas. Coincidence? Nope.

  • DeepSpace Livonia, MI
    Sept. 3, 2014 7:37 a.m.

    Here’s a view that has been missing for 40 years in all the tens of thousands of reports about women and work:

    Society consists of two “worlds”: the world of work (the productive world) and the world of children (the reproductive world). Obviously each needs the other for its survival, so both are needed for civilization’s survival. Hence, the two worlds are equally important.

    Despite this equal importance, what do you suppose is the result thus far of the 40-year-old push for “gender equality”? It seems to be this: We are ending men’s dominance in the world of work (The Economist at http://www.economist.com/node/15174489: "women are gradually taking over the workplace") and, largely because "women are the ones who give birth," preserving women’s dominance in the world of children. (Men have no reproductive rights except the right not to participate in sex. Imagine if women had no rights in the productive world except the right not to participate.)

    "The Doctrinaire Institute for Women's Policy Research: A Comprehensive Look at Gender Equality" at Male Matters USA

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Sept. 3, 2014 7:18 a.m.

    Some women choose to be stay at home moms where they actually contribute more to society than those who work outside their homes! Utah, then Wyoming were the first states to give women the right to vote. So much for this totally worthless "study".