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Published: Tuesday, Sept. 2 2014 10:40 p.m. MDT

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Buzzards
LEHI, UT

I can't speak for Max now, obviously things are not great for him. But I sure remember him at BYU. He wasn't particularly big, fast, or strong armed. He WAS accurate, which may have led to his NFL downfall, because he always believed he could thread it in there, which you can do easier in college than in the pros.
What made him a great quarterback was his love of football, and his all consuming competitiveness. Sometimes he won because he wanted to win more than the other guy. That's good in sports, not so good out there in the wide, wide, world. He's not the first good/great athlete to lose his way after his playing days were over.
Here's hoping he can get his train back on the tracks and find a life's work that will allow him to use that fire that made him one of BYU's best, and earned him a shot in the NFL.

gdog3finally
West Jordan, Utah

I think I understand what you are trying to say Brad, but be accurate. Hall wasn't a graduate assistant at BYU was he? He was a student assistant (hadn't graduated yet).

Anyway Brad, I believe saying Hall was being honest is also likely inaccurate. I think he was dishonest with himself the whole time and that lead to his premeditated rant. Maybe he was bitter and it showed. This current situation Hall is in might be traced back to then if not before.

I have seen it in my life. I have struggled with addiction and lying to myself and justifying it as being honest is the danger zone.

When Max allegedly stated he was apologizing before he made the postgame remarks is curious when combined with the confusion that he claims to have had relative to the negative sentiment after the fact. Being dishonest is like a drug in itself.

When we continually embrace negative emotion internally, it will eventually come out externally.

Hopefully now Max can climb out of the pit he has been in for many years. If he does, we will all have something to applaud him for. It will be a tough road.

UteMiguel
Go Utes, CA

"But the arrest illustrated the point that bad things can happen, even to decent people."

There's a difference between "bad things happen" and one's own choices leading to bad consequences. No, none of us are perfect. And yes, we all make bad choices. But your comments would seem to excuse Hall from any responsibility for his current situation.

bradleyc
Layton, UT

Nice sentiments and advice Mr. Rock.

Million
Bluffdale, UT

Sad moment. Sometimes getting caught can help turn people around. Of course they have to walk on pins and needles dealing with the fall out from getting caught and the ramifications of being under the media microscope and dealing with the courts. Max stating this was his first time is most likely not true. Just consider it a wake up call.

shorts
Payson, UT

Very sad. He has a bad addiction I really hope he can get some help.

eastcoastcoug
Danbury, CT

I think the whole idea of "hating" is ridiculous and uncalled for - whoever is saying or thinking it. These are just kids after all - someone's son or brother who happens to wear another color of jersey. If you saw them on the street, they would look just like you and me. Having been subjected to everything from funny/clever to vile comments from Ute fans over the years, I vowed I would never stoop to that level and I don't like it when Cougar fans do the same.

Utah fans are my relatives and some of my best friends. I love a good rivalry and good teasing. But "Hate" is not part of the picture nor should it be for any of us. In the end, most of us are members of the same church or lived at one time in the same state. We share the same culture.

If you've never said you hated the other team, good on you. Those who have stated their "hate" should give Max the biggest break of all.

Jeff ls
Farr West, 84404

This kind of reminds me of years ago when the headlines read "Sunday School Teacher robs bank". Like the article said. He had not been arrested at the time of printing. But it was a story and we must print stories. Max was controversial, no doubt about it. He engaged mouth before his brain from time to time.
This is part of the problem about athletes. They might be good, maybe even real good. But there comes a time when game day is over, and if they have not prepared for life by opening the books, they often wind up getting in trouble. Most of the time there are injuries involved, so they have drug issues, trying to deal with the pain. As fans, we all have sad stories associated with people who played at out favorite schools and won a lot of games. WE have them, Utah has them, everybody has them. This is a great example to you young people of why we need to prioritize our lives with education. The "GAME" does not last forever.
Jeff

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

gdog:
Excellent comments, and I appreciate your honesty. Honesty seems to be the hardest part sometimes for the addict. In my experience usually being less than honest or unwilling to take perspective away from your own visceral emotions is a common theme with addicts and substance abusers. I don't know how far into his addiction Max is, but being honest is a step (literally step one in AA, NA, or other recovery groups) to finding peace and healing. Prayers are with you and your family Max as you navigate this difficult road.

Stringer Bell
Henderson, NV

I never liked him much as a player but this is a very sad situation for him and his family. I hope he finds the support he needs through his faith, family and friends to overcome his addiction.

Eddie Would Go
FPO, AE

Read carefully Max Hall's comments in this article. Nobody should confuse him as being an enlightened individual.

Neverthelss, good luck in getting your life in order, Max!

FT
salt lake city, UT

He was serious and honest about his feelings and opinions back in his playing days at Utah. He believed what he said, at the time. Hopefully he can be serious and honest with himself about the current problems he has. As a Ute fan I wish him good luck and good fortune for his future.

SlopJ30
St Louis, MO

Eddie Would Go says: "Nobody should confuse him as being an enlightened individual."

Ummmm . . OK. I assume this advice comes from one who considers himself to be an "enlightened individual." Other than that take-away, I have no idea what I'm supposed to glean from your comment. Max Hall shouldn't be my own personal Buddha? I guess I can go with that. Anything else?

SoonerUte
Salt Lake City, UT

Brad Rock, you are spot-on encouraging Max Hall to be forthright about this.

The story isn't "How Ute fans react". More important is "How Cougar fans react". As you said, this is more reality that a lot of people would like. Some would like to sweep this under the rug with a polite "I hope he gets the help he needs" and hope it is never mentioned again.

It is important for the Max Hall story to be told - not to embarrass him - but to open the conversation about addiction. Nationally, nobody cares about this story. Max Hall is just another ex-player with a problem. Locally, this strikes a chord because "one of their own" has stumbled. Max Hall is not the only LDS person to face an addiction problem. This is a great opportunity to raise the issue with neighbors and church members. How can we recognize the problem early? How can we help those affected?

Tell his story to bring light to a serious issue. File it under "Utah", "Faith", or "Family". This is more than a Sports story.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

"One of the most appealing things about Max Hall was that he was honest." - Rock

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That depends, which Max?

"Last year at[Rice-Eccles Stadium], my family was spit on, had beer dumped on them and were physically assaulted on several occasions. They had to endure extremely vile comments personally attacking my wife, my mother, other family members and our religion. They had to be escorted to their car by local police." -- Max in 2009

"Growing up, I didn't like U of A," he said. ... Both his uncle and grandfather starred for the Sun Devils... My uncle and my grandpa don't really like U of A," Hall said. "Playing at ASU and being spit on and having beer spilled on them, and all that stuff. ... They're a classier program than they've been in the past." -- Max in 2008

USAlover
Salt Lake City, UT

Max Hall doesn't owe us anything. Heal, brother, and take care of those closest to you. They are the ones who will see you through this.

klepsydra
Longmont, CO

The only he needs to be forthright an honest with are himself, his spouse & family, and God. The rest of us have no right or need to know.

BlueCoug
Orem, UT

Being arrested for shoplifting may turn out to be one of the best things ever to happen to Max.

This will give him an opportunity to confront a demon that has obviously been haunting him for awhile.

Although some would like to make this a BYU vs Utah issue, I think most see this for what it really is, a personal issue/crisis for Max and his family to overcome.

Hopefully, Max will recognize this and this will become a turning point in his life.

BillNyeTSG
South Jordan, UT

I would hope that this will not only be a teaching moment concerning the challenges faced by former athletes (certainly a minority of people) but that this incident will serve to open our eyes to the realities of petty criminals and drug use. I see many people giving Max Hall a pass and find myself wondering whether they would be so willing to see the human being behind other criminals. I myself am guilty of jumping to a "if you do a crime, you should do the time" mentality and have found myself moved to compassion by this incident.

Like Max, I would say most drug users involved in property crime should be given a pass to the greatest extend possible. They need help, not incarceration. I think we're all smart enough to distinguish between true criminal behavior and those acting out of desperation. The distinction is important, and our current justice system does a poor job separating the two - we focus far too much on punishment, and far too little on rehabilitation.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@USAlover
Salt Lake City, UT

Max Hall doesn't owe us anything. Heal, brother, and take care of those closest to you. They are the ones who will see you through this.

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I beg to differ. He owes the players, parents, and facility of the high school he was coaching at an explanation and an apology for breaking their trust.

Plus, he owes Best Buy about 250 bucks.

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