When I was last working in Germany, a discussion came up as to why Germany still
maintains US Troops and bases. I asked why are we (the USA) still occupying a
vibrant, robust, democracy like Germany.Answer: No European nation
has a capable army; an army capable of defending Europe from invasion, or at
that time, stopping the Balkan genocide. Nor does Europe have the will to do
much against Russia, which provides about 1/3 of Europe's energy.Europe must be willing to defend itself. As NATO partners, a NATO engagement
would embroil the USA. At this point, NATO is not willing to defend Ukraine
against Russian aggression. So what do you Republican zealots think
the President should do? Roll out the H-Bombs? Move carriers into the Black
Sea?Start WWIII? Over something Europe isn't willing to deal with?Get real, Party of Stupid.
LOU Montana,Snowden being sheltered by Putin doesn’t seem to
be causing America’s right wing much discomfort, does it? George Will
didn’t find it worthy of mention in this alarmist screed. Can a man serve
two masters? Where there's a will, there's a way for a man to do
anything by way of turning his head and looking the other way.
Then there was Snowden who was applauded by the Tea Party for taking sensitive
information to Russia. As soon as Obama labeled him a traitor he became a hero
to Conservatives. What a funny world we live in.
From what I have read about Barack Obama, indecision is part of his character.
That may be a blessing or a curse. Telling it straight--no lies, no
cover-up--would make me a fan of the President. However, no matter how you spin
it (four Pinocchios for Josh Earnest today...) Russia is a threat to world peace
as is the ISIS/IL movement. Decisions must be made and President Obama (who
wanted to run for a second term) must make them!
@GaryO:"Right. But you forgot to mention that the Bush administration
LIED to Congress."Congress had the same intelligence reports
that the SecDef and the White House had... or at least they coulda obtained
same. The truth is, Saddam had amassed large clandestine stocks of biological
weaponry (as your post clearly shows), the remnants of which were recently
discovered by Sunni extremists (i.e., ISIS). "Democrats in
Congress made the mistake taking the Bush administration’s words as face
value."I take your point. Thus we can clearly see that
Democrats in Congress are obviously a lazy bunch and should be replaced. And
the sooner the better. We don't want any more errors in judgement."Democrats made the mistake of believing lying Republicans."There were no lies. Saddam did have chemical WMD as used on the Kurds
and as was recently discovered."Get used to it."Agreed.
Hey TekakaromatagiDammam, Saudi Arabia -I see you want this
nation immersed in warIt’s interesting that you live in Saudi
Arabia. The Saudi’s have been playing this nation for a fool for a long
time, haven’t they?The world is their little play pen,
isn’t it? Individual Saudi’s fund ISIS, but the Saudi Royals, the
nominal leaders, are terrified of ISIS, and yet think they can control Islamic
extremism if they play it just right. Sadaam Hussein and his secular
government were a threat to Islamic Extremists. And the Saudis nodded
approvingly as we killed Sadaam and ravaged Iraq. And Bashar
al-Assad of Syria, another secularist, and thus an opponent to a regional
caliphate, is a threat to them too. But Obama refused to kill him. Obama refuses
to be used by the Saudi’s OR the Israelis. And that makes American
“Conservatives,” who have an extremely hard time thinking
critically, furious.As for Russia and the Ukraine, Obama will do
what needs to be done there too. But that doesn’t involve taking advice
from “Conservatives” who only seem to be good at failing.Get used to it.
"Otherwise we would be back in Iraq in a full scale war with boots on the
ground and be in an other costly cold war with Russia. Enough is enough."A BBC correspondant was with some Kurdish peshmerga yesterday and they
were going to go into a battle zone. The Kurds stopped the correspondant from
going in. The upper command wouldn't say why. After awhile some trucks
went by with bearded men who appeared to be US special forces. Apparently, US
and German special forces were on the front lines calling in US air strikes on
ISIS positions. The Kurdish peshmerga called these guys 'guests'. We do have boots on the ground. I am not saying that is good or that is
bad. I am just saying. It isn't a full scale war yet.I think
that our military doctrine should be help people defend themselves. We
can't do things for them. If Afghanistan won't clean up their
corruption, we can't help them. If Israel won't stop oppressing the
Palestinians, we can't help them. If Iraq's Maliki is oppressing the
Sunnis we can't help him.
@GaryO: "IF we find it in our best interests THEN we will defend the Baltic
states . . . To a degree that is also in our best interests."Well, it is in our national interest. So that is solved. The reason it is in
our national interest is that we belong to NATO. We've been a major part
of NATO since its founding back in the beginning of the Cold War (1950's?).
If Russia attacks a member state of NATO our treaty commitment, agreed upon by
congress, is to defend that country.If we walk away we have lied to
people who have trusted us. We become the laughing stock of the world. No one
will ever trust us again. This can only be in our national interest if we are
going to isolate ourselves over in the Western Hemisphere. Given that the world
is shrinking, isolationism is even less possible than it was in the 1930's.
@ mhenshaw, there are no quick and easy answers to your questions. It calls for
judgments, not rash decisions like we saw in the last Administration. Too much
is at stake.
Hey wrz -“Dubya . . . went to the US Congress for permission
getting approval including from Democrats such as Hillary Clinton, John Kerry,
and Joe Biden.”Right. But you forgot to mention that the Bush
administration LIED to Congress.“His [Sadaam’s] regime
has amassed large clandestine stocks of biological weapons, including anthrax
and botulism toxin and possibly smallpox. His regime has amassed large
clandestine stockpiles of chemical weapons, including VX and sarin and mustard
gas.” - Testimony as Delivered by Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld,
Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, D.C., September 18, 2002.Democrats in Congress made the mistake taking the Bush administration’s
words as face value.Democrats made the mistake of believing lying
Republicans.We DON’T do that anymore.Get used to
When it’s not clear what exactly we’re dealing with, it’s best
to tone it down as the President has been trying to do amid a chorus of
incoherent alarmist rhetoric. Wars are relatively easy to jump into. It seldom
fails that regret follows on the morning after.
" The Islamic State is a nasty problem that can be remedied if its
neighbors, assisted by the United States, decide to do so. Vladimir Putin's
fascist revival is a crisis that tests the West's capacity to
decide."If it can be remedied then why has it not been remedied?
I couldn't make it past the first line.
@ ordinaryNice try on the Fascist label, but as often happens with
most lefties, you can't really figure out how to connect all the dots. Your
hatred for conservatives and the TEA party get in your way. A true fascist would
never embrace the United States constitution, and when it comes down to it, TEA
party members and true conservatives are the only ones who really follow the
constitution! So try again next time, your bound to get it right eventually.
>>The question is the reaction. Impulsive, or patient?Patience is a virtue, but not infinitely so, and is often invoked to mask
indecision. So the real question is whether Obama's current approach truly
is an act of patience or an act of indecision. The president easily could settle
that question by answering a few simple questions.How long is too
long to see whether sanctions will work? What is your criteria for success? If
sanctions fail to restrain Putin, what then? Do we, Chamberlain-like, stand by
and hope Putin won't go further? What's the option between "failed
sanctions" and "military action"?Clear answers would
show that he has a plan and really is being patient -- true leaders have a
vision, a strategy to implement it, and they communicate it. Muddled or absent
answers would suggest that there is no plan and indecision is being misconstrued
Going back and saying Romney was right is of no use whatsoever. What would
Romney have done about Putin? Immediate war? It seems to me that Obama has
taken all the right steps. He has imposed progressive sanctions and exercised
patience. All those who talk tough, are you ready to send millions to their
deaths by rushing into a war that might be the world's last? And, this is
not merely U.S. vs. Russia. All the nations on that side of the globe need to
step up. Will may be correct in saying Putin is more dangerous than ISIS, or it
may be rhetoric on his part. Time will tell. But I am deeply grateful for a
President who is patient and is taking a longer view on these issues. We
haven't given up anything as relates to our national security, and we sit
in virtual control of the economic power (along with the UK). There are
problems on that side of the globe, but it would not matter who sat in the White
House in terms of prevention. The question is the reaction. Impulsive, or
That was until the cease fire.This may be more complicated that in the
>>No, US participation in the Defense of the Baltic States is NOT
unconditional. It is very much conditional.No, Will is right on that
one. The North Atlantic Treaty of 1949 was signed by then-SecState Dean Acheson
and ratified by the US Senate on 21 July 1949 by a vote of 82 to 13. Under the
Constitution, ratified treaties have the force of law. So if Putin invaded a
Baltic State NATO member, which then invoked Article 5 of the Treaty, the US
would be legally required to consider that attack as an attack upon the US
itself and come to their military aid.Therefore, if the US refused
to come to that member's aid, we would be breaking the law and a 64-year
old multinational security commitment. No longer able to trust that we will keep
our legally binding commitments whenever we find them inconvenient, our allies
would probably reconsider every treaty we've ever signed them accordingly.
Putin may be a fascist but look at who he is fighting. Same thing in Syria. We
are on the wrong side here. We should never have supported the Mujahideen who
became the Taliban in Afghanistan. We should support Russia in this fight.
Yes JCS. Just what is your definition of "left wing"? Since every post
you ever made includes the term, it deserves your definition.As much
as many would like to paint Obama as left wing, it is just not possible using
logic and a classic definition.
Putin is a fascist. Islamic states are fascists wrapped in religion. I
don't see much difference. Both elements are bad.What worries
me more is the fascism in this country. Lest you forget what fascism is, it is
the radical nationalism associated with extreme patriotism and is generally
associated with right wing politics. Sounds like the Tea Party to me.
Oh how maddening it is to the left, that Romney showed such superior
presidential intelligence, compared to the clueless bho we all got stuck with.
Now his slobbering worshipers have to fumble around making up the most mindless
excuses and lame theories about world issues. Except that the situation is
somewhat serious and deeply concerning, it is fun to play the hapless leftists
like puppets controlled by a puppet master.
Thank goodness I voted for President Obama and he won instead of Romney.
Otherwise we would be back in Iraq in a full scale war with boots on the ground
and be in an other costly cold war with Russia. Enough is enough.
Yes Putin's actions are unfortunate. They are also none of our business.
Ukraine can if they wish put up a resistance. Similar to what the Vietnamese
did with us.
the Cold War never stopped. We just gave up by trying to strike up a new
relationship with Putin and Russia. You saw what they got us. Nothing but lies.
NATO needs to act on its ideals and support Ukraine as a free
country. Putin will do everything possible to reestablish the old Soviet Union.
Let Ukraine be free and help them fight off Russia. Europe needs to
support this 100% by ordering real and severe economic sanctions.
"Putin's fascist revival is more dangerous than the Islamic
State"Not so. All Putin wants is more of the mideast and maybe
Ukraine, Estonia, and Latvia. Poland too, maybe. Islamists want the world...
and that would include the USofA. They already have their eye on Minnesota as
we can see... where two Minnesotans converted to Islam and went to Iraq to join
ISIS.@GaryO:"Remember folks, these
'Conservative' columnists are the SAME folks who led the cheers for GW
Bush and company, who in retaliation for 911, attacked Iraq, a country that had
NOTHING to do with 911."Dubya went to Iraq to stop the
production of WMD which the US knew were used on the Kurds (stockpiles of old
canisters were just recently discovered). And he went to the US Congress for
permission getting approval including from Democrats such as Hillary Clinton,
John Kerry, and Joe Biden.@pragmatistferlife:"Mitt Romney
did not say Putin was an emerging threat. He said he was the single greatest
geo-political threat in the world."I see very little difference
between emerging threat and geo-political threat. 'Threat' is the
Hey John Charity Spring -" . . . the current left-wing
administration is standing by and watching the ascension of a new Soviet
state.""A new Soviet State?" I see you disagree with
George Will too. But Will is right and you are wrong.Putin is no
Communist. He's a Fascist . . . 180 degrees away.Many
"Conservatives" have no knowledge of the political continuum. They just
throw words around without knowing their meanings.Obama's
administration is far from "left wing."What do you think
"left wing" means anyway?
if parts of the Ukraine want to reunify with Russia, let them. Let those people
in that part of the world decide. We have no say in this. Repubs need to stop
trying rekindle the Cold War.
Mitt Romney did not say Putin was an emerging threat. He said he was the single
greatest geo-political threat in the world. Bothe he and Will are
dead wrong. JCS the Russians are hardly re-emerging as a new Soviet
state. You need to put Ezra back in the bottle and view the world as it is.
Putin is a problem, and a problem that needs to be dealt with, as we
are doing, but he is hardly the greatest geo-political threat. No ones
following him except for Russian speaking eastern Europeans primarily in
Ukraine. Radical Islam is far more of a geo-political threat. They have
followers in Europe, Asia, and the US. Much more dangerous.
Relatives living through WWII in Europe were grateful to the British and
especially the Americans who came and did what they could not--traumatized as
they were by a dictator and his vicious means of retribution--to give them hope
and to free them. While Ukraine may not be in America's best interests,
Putin's methods to unify the lands Russia "lost" during the
democracy movement in that region during the 90s should not be allowed to
persist. Ukraine is a sovereign country--is it not? Remember, Hitler
didn't stop with Poland and Czechoslovakia--Hitler wanted to rule the
world. Putin's initial land grab will haunt the USA. President
Obama's inaction is unsettling. President Bush had the decency to go with
intelligence reports and ask for a consensus from Congress before heading off to
war. President Obama and his fans could care less about the rest of the world;
keep blaming everyone and especially President Bush; keep making up stories
(read many news sources); stand down until someone else does something... Come
on, USA--you are the world leader--or, were...
Putin's rise is deja vu. Just as the left-wing stood by and watched the
ascent of the original Soviet Union, the current left-wing administration is
standing by and watching the ascension of a new Soviet state.No
reasonable person can deny that Putin is the proverbial dog in a manger who
seeks to keep others from gaining, even though doing so provides no benefit to
himself. He would sooner burn the world's food supply to the ground than
let the Ukrainians rule themselves. We cannot let the Soviets rise
again. If the current left-wing administration will not take action, a change
of leadership is sorely needed.
“U.S. participation in defense of the Baltic states is
unconditional.”The certitudinous George Will is laying down
the law again.No, US participation in the Defense of the Baltic
States is NOT unconditional. It is very much conditional. IF we
find it in our best interests THEN we will defend the Baltic states . . . To a
degree that is also in our best interests. America doesn’t
need any ultimatums from George Will, or any other opinionated
“Conservative” columnist.Remember folks, these
“Conservative” columnists are the SAME folks who led the cheers for
GW Bush and company, who in retaliation for 911, attacked Iraq, a country that
had NOTHING to do with 911.These are the same folks who got us in
trouble in multiple ways with their senseless demands for low taxes for the
rich, less regulation on the financial sector, laissez faire government, more
military build up, and more wars . . . Everything, in other words, that led to
GW’s inglorious retreat from the oval office, where he had done more
damage to the United States in eight years, then Al Qaeda or ISIL could ever
do.Is it wise to take the advice of "Conservative"
I wonder how many people look back at Obama's dismissive reaction to
Romney's assertion that Russia/Putin is/was a looming problem and wish
they'd understood better how much better Romney's predictive abilities
are/were than Obama's...on this and many other issues. Judging from
Obama's plunging approval rates, the number of people who are wising up is