Wow.It's not fair to take away Utah's two seasons for
comparison's sake, but I guess it is fair to take away Utah's and
BYU's 2 best seasons. Even then BYU wins the overall in top-25 finishes,
10+ win seasons, national awards, etc.And to those who are
suggesting that Utah was picked over BYU because of football superiority:
I've got some private coastline property to sell you in Lichtenstein."If that was true why didn't the PAC take UNLV....or New
Mexico?"If it were all about football that would be a good
question. However we all know that BYU's lack of invitation to the PAC is
about a lot more than just football. Also, if ESPN had done a survey in
2009-2010 if Utah should join the PAC, I wonder if 74% would have said
Two For FlinchingSalt Lake City, UT"@ SanefanOf course BYU is the victim. The Big-12, BIG-10, ACC, and SEC must hate
BYU's culture as well." Uhhh...where have you been? BYU
isn't a victim, but all the conferences you mention (including the PAC!)
are money grubbing, semi-pro, worldly institutions. Don't know where your
values align, but I certainly have my suspicions.
@ SanefanOf course BYU is the victim. The Big-12, BIG-10, ACC, and
SEC must hate BYU's culture as well.
If Ute fans think the PAC 12 choose Utah over a BYU because of football....well,
I don't know what say. BYU wasn't chosen for one reason and one
reason only, their culture; being a religion based school and refusal to play on
Sunday! That is it! Just look at the P 12 Schools, some of the most liberal in
the Country. Like I posted earlier, The P 5 and not just the PAC 12 have padded
their schedules by adding patsies they can beat up on, while at the same time
having the minimum 12 teams needed to have a Championship game (and more money)!
Until those teams can prove otherwise, "the proof is in the pudding."
nevadacoug,But why would we take those 2 seasons away in comparing
byu and Utah? Such a silly proposal. Ya, and if we 40 points away from
Utah's score against byU in 2010 byU would have won. Oh wait, make that 45
points.Does that mean byU won?
Was it just 5 years ago, or so, that Utah fans were complaining about being
"left out" by the BCS conferences? And now that they got a golden
ticket, many of them are trying to close the door behind them.Utah
had a couple of great seasons over the last decade. Congratulations. Take
those two season out, and are you really better than BYU overall? If you were
capable of being honest, the answer would be "no".
ekuteSoooo, you are taking the stance, really, that Chris speaks on
behalf of the U, and the PAC, and all the P5? Interesting world you
kids live in...Just curious, what have the Utes accomplished in the
PAC besides an invite?(I didn't mention happy valley kids in my
comment, so can we live that group of people out of the conversion? They have
their own different world too...)
Veritas Aequitas,Chris is in a better place to speak for the PAC and
all of the P5 than anybody in happy valley.
Chris B No - please don't ever play them again. And I hope we(the
power conferences) finally decide to stop playing mid majors and just play each
other. ---------------Chris no longer just speaks for
Utah, or the PAC, but now all P 5 conferences?Dude has a wild
imagination...How many years do you really want to go without a Bowl
Chris?Utah's quest for a Bowl ended years ago...
@ GandalphIf that was true why didn't the PAC take UNLV....or
New Mexico? In the BCS era Utah had more wins against BCS teams than any other
mid-major. Followed by TCU, Navy, Boise....and then BYU.The notion
that Utah was invited just to be a punching bag amounts to nothing more than
sour grapes from a jealous fan base.
ekuteDon't kid yourself; the Utes weren't taken to provide
competition, the Utes were taken to provide a convenient punching bag for the
big boys of the PAC 12 to pad their conference win totals - in only three
seasons, the Utes have already provided 18 such wins to their conference
We will keep playing wac teams because we really like to play them just in case
we return to the wac someday. We can even beat some of the teams in the wac
Sanefan,Yep. they took the worthy mid-majors and byu wasn't one
of them...and still isn't.
cbSave the SOS chest beating until U actually play somebody.Utah hasn't even been tested yet.Current Sagarin
Ratings#32 BYU (#92 SOS)#48 Utah (#180 SOS)#56 USU (#30
SOS)#24 Texas#30 Michigan#37 Tennessee
Please play them so we can win them because we don't win very much.Go Utes!
The P 5's like to talk about not playing mid majors, but it will never
happen as they need a few patsies on their schedules. Oh wait, my mistake, that
is why they added teams like Maryland , TCU, and Utah to their conferences. The
P 5 created their own internal "mid majors" to beat up on.
Yes, please play them annually so that certain Ute fans dont have as much fodder
to harp about everyone else's SOS. Besides, if they barely get
enough wins to finally qualify for a bowl game, they will be eternally indebted
to Idaho State... a thought that is very appealing.
No - please don't ever play them again. And I hope we(the power
conferences) finally decide to stop playing mid majors and just play each other.
Loved coach Kramer's comment!