@ BigCougarAgreed. Good post.
Dirk said:"Over the past four seasons, the Utes have topped Big Sky
Conference opponents (Montana State, Northern Colorado, Weber State and Idaho
State) by a combined score of 194-31."----------------------Looks like the Utes have become the dominant program in the Big Sky. Way
to go Utah!
@TwoferAlso, if BYU ends up undefeated it still won't even show up
the selection committee's radar. SOS and conf. championship games are
heavily factored in, which means BYU doesn't have a prayer.-------------I absolutely agree. I think BYU needs to establish a
pattern of excellence vs good schedules before the committee would give them
serious consideration. There's no way in the first year of a playoff that
the committee would consider a team from outside the p5 conferences no matter
how well they did. BYU needs to show that they're more than a one season
wonder.In looking at BYU's schedule last year (ranked 38th
SOS-better than Alabama) that was a good enough schedule but this year's
isn't. However 2015 and 2016 are shaping up to be good schedules and on par
with most p5 conference SOS. If BYU can maintain year to year
schedules that are in the top 40 for SOS that's a good goal and will help
them gain credibility nationally if they are able to win. I would like to see
BYU get to a point where they have 4-5 p5 schools on their schedule every year.
@Twofer""The Utes never have been and never will be one of the
"big boys".This is the equivalent of shoving your fingers in
your ears and making noise to avoid hearing bad news. Lie to yourself all you
want, but deep down you know it doesn't change reality."--------------No, it's just being honest. Moving to Beverly
Hills didn't automatically make Jed Clampett, Granny and Jethro Bodine
Hollywood socialites. They were still very much hillbillies. The change of zip
code didn't change the reality for the Clampetts anymore than it did for
the utes when they joined the Pac. It's no different for Utah
or BYU. Utah won't become a "Big Boy" program anymore than Purdue,
Indiana, Iowa St, Vandy, UVA, WSU, have been in their respective conferences.
BYU won't be a "big boy" program if they don't "show
up" and win on the big stage consistently (which they haven't been)
when they have opportunities. BYU needs to consistently schedule competitive
opponents and then win regularly.
@ BigCougarYou think Orchard is a career under performer? I guess
we should take that as a compliment considering his resume so far.His first year at the U he was an all PAC-12 honorable mention, and was ninth
in the nation in forced fumbles. That includes a play where a stripped Matt
Barkley and took it to the house. Last year he was the national defensive
player of the week after the Stanford game and was fourth on the team in total
tackles. If he stays healthy his senior will be impressive as well.Also, if BYU ends up undefeated it still won't even show up the selection
committee's radar. SOS and conf. championship games are heavily factored
in, which means BYU doesn't have a prayer. FWIW, I'm glad
Utah isn't playing BYU. I'm happy with Michigan and Fresno.
"Senior defensive end Nate Orchard, who shared game-high honors with eight
tackles and topped everyone with 2.5 sacks"--------------As a career under-performer, this is Nate's highwater mark for the
year and once Utah starts playing actual D-1 teams you can expect him to do his
usual disappearing act the rest of the season. @Whoamisir?On
another post a BYU fan said how interesting it would be to see them be the only
undefeated team and how the selection committee would make their choices for the
4 team championship play-off. And we have this to look forward to
for the next 3 months.--------------Yes, blame your Head
Coach for that. You guys tucked tails and ran away this year from the rivalry
when instead you could've played BYU and had a chance to spoil their
season. Now you have to listen to it all season, as well as next season (just
about everyone returns). You'll also have to listen week in and
week out all season long to ESPN Sportscenter pundits pimp Taysom Hill in all
their Heisman watch features while they have the Giraffe the utes on ignore.
"Utah is no USC", says fans of the mediocre team that lost to Virginia
@SportsFanYet after all of those accolades the Cougs were forced
into Independence while the Utes were accepted into the PAC-12.Bronco/Kyle Era - Cherry PickingAP Top 25 FinishesBronco 4
- Congratulations, you got there.Kyle 2 - Original BCS Buster's
and beat down of Alabama. Conference ChampionshipsBronco 2 -
Overall MWC 4Kyle 1 - Overall MWC 411+ Win SeasonsBronco 3 - Meaningless without quality opponents (emphasis on the plural)Kyle 1 - Undefeated with beat down of AlabamaBowlsBronco
9 - BCS 0Kyle 7 - BCS 2Cherry pick it any way you want.
The fact of the matter is that Utah stepped up to the PAC-12 while BYU stepped
down into Independence.
UteologyDespite a couple of flash-in-the-pan seasons, not much has
changed. The WAC-like Utes still trail the Cougars in overall success since
Urban Meyers left in 2004.Bronco/Kyle EraAP Top 25
FinishesBronco 4Kyle 2Conference ChampionshipsBronco 2Kyle 111+ Win SeasonsBronco 3Kyle 1BowlsBronco 9Kyle 7Bronco has more 11+ win / Top
15 seasons since 2006, than the Utes have had in their entire history.
It still just amazes me that the byU fans (Utah haters) come to these Utah
stories and beat themselves on their collective chests about how great their
program is and how awful Utah's is. Here is a great indication of where
the two programs are right now: November home schedules:Utah: Oregon, ArizonabyU: UNLV, Savannah StateOregon will be
fighting all year for a spot in the championship playoffs. Arizona is a solid
team in maybe the toughest conference in the land. Not to mention that Utah
plays five ranked teams, none of which are ranked below 16 right now.UNLV is currently ranked below 100 by Sagarin, and it only looks to get worse.
Savannah State is arguably the worst FCS team in the country, and byU plays
them on senior day. What a horrible tribute to your seniors. Not to mention
that byU is locked in to the first bowl game of the season, in a bowl that the
MAC turned down. Have fun with the sixth place AAC team even if you go 11-1.Now tell me - who is afraid of whom and who has the big boy program?Go Utes!!
@scenic viewYou can take the Utes out of the WAC, but you can't
take the WAC out of the Utes. It's who they are. A perennial
bottom-dwelling program that only managed to win 2 WAC championships in 37
years.---------------Yes because Utah today is the same
program we were in the WAC.MWC Tiles: * Utah 4 (Fiesta
and Sugar)* BYU 4 (Vegas)Speaking of WAC, didn't your
team move-down to the weaker WAC after Utah moved-up to the tougher PAC-12?
@2ferI agree with you that it is possible utah might someday have
another great season. It is even possible that they might someday be one of the
better teams/programs in the pac12. It is possible. But utah is not, nor have
they ever been, a BIG BOY program and the odds of them ever being a big boy
program are not very good, in fact they are extremely small. Just being in the
pac12 doesn't elevate utah much, sure they can say they are in the pac12
but so are some other pretty mediocre programs that have never amounted to much,
certainly not to the level of Big Boy. Time will tell us what utah
will become, and that can change from year to year, but I'm willing to
guess publicly that utah will never be a "Big Boy".
@ LonestarRunnerI hear you, but that doesn't make anything I
said less true.
twoferUtah didn't just struggle in the WAC, it took the Utes
over 100 seasons just to crack the AP Top 25 for the first time and the Utes
never had an 11+ win season until Urban Meyers arrived on campus.Just because the Utes had a couple of flash-in-the-pan seasons in 2004 and
2008, doesn't mean they'll ever get back to that level.
@ killarneyNever is a bold word to use. Utah's history is what
it is, but just because Utah struggled in the WAC doesn't mean it is doomed
to struggle forever. One breakout season in the PAC would change everything.
2ferDespite the opinion of the red koolaid drinkers, reality is no
program with only two lifetime 11+ win seasons and only five AP Top 25 could
even remotely be considered to be one of the "big boys".Regardless of how many PAC 12 stickers you slap all over town, denying that is
the equivalent of shoving your fingers in your ears and making noise to avoid
hearing bad news. Lie to yourself all you want to, but deep down you know it
doesn't change reality. The Utes never have been and never will be one of
the "big boys".
"The Utes never have been and never will be one of the "big
boys".This is the equivalent of shoving your fingers in your
ears and making noise to avoid hearing bad news. Lie to yourself all you want,
but deep down you know it doesn't change reality.
The Utes never have been and never will be one of the "big boys".In their heart, they know they're much more like Virginia, Indiana,
and Vanderbilt, than they'll ever be like USC, Texas, and Alabama.You can take the Utes out of the WAC, but you can't take the WAC out of
the Utes. It's who they are. A perennial bottom-dwelling program that only
managed to win 2 WAC championships in 37 years.
No spin can change thisThe utes are not bowl material.
@christinautah is not usc. lol
CougOrUte..NaahNibley, UTActually a better comparison would be
the Colorado State vs Colorado game. As far as talent level Utah=Colorado /
Fresno State=Colorado State. Fresno State comes to Utah and wins 34-24. I
don't believe Utah is quite on USC's level yet. The Utes did do well
against the Bengals though.------------As far as talent
Utah is not equal Colorado. Well not according to Scouts and the NFL. Colorado
talent is equal to BYU, Utah's talent is more on the Arizona level
according to those two sources.Fresno State is replacing an NFL QB
with a Junior who has less than 200 yards passing. Who beat out their more
experienced Senior QB and both were used interchangeably in the USC game.
Having two QBs in the rotation is not good for any offense.Unless
the Fresno QBs make a drastic change in one week I don't see them putting
up 34 on Utah's defense with a one dimensional offense. Utah's run
defense has something to prove, and if previous years are any indication they
should be much improved in stopping the run game on Saturday.
All predictions...are just that...predictions.I am a Utah fan, obviously.
I don't predict other than the bowl game atthe end of the season.Let the Utes get to 2-0 next week, then we will discuss whether 2-1 or 3-0 after that.Meanwhile, PAC-12 is still much better than waiting (praying)
for theBig-12 to call, isn't it?
Fresno used 2 QBs at USC, which means they have no QB this year. Here's
the stats from the USC game:Burrell: 11/19 92 YDS 0 TD 1 INT 54.4
RATINGConnette: 7/17 68 YDS 0 TD 3 INT 9.1 RATINGTeam: 18/36 160 YDS
0 TD 4 INTUtah should win this game by 3+ TDs, that is if our
defense has figured out how to stop the run by next week. They were horrible
against Idaho State and Fresno gained 157 yards rushing against USC. Go UTES!
So predictable. One game into the season and Worf says, "PAC-11
(can't bring himself to say it) is highly over rated. Ten wins - two
losses. (One loss a three point victory by a B1G 10 opponent.) Close
games - some were and correctly unexpectedly close. However, judging by how
many Utah players played and how vanilla their defense and offensive play
calling was close games might be more likely. (Not every team feels like they
have to play their starters running their play fast; play hard offense with less
than 5 minutes to go when they have a 28 to 10 lead.)Second no
surprise: On another post a BYU fan said how interesting it would be to see
them be the only undefeated team and how the selection committee would make
their choices for the 4 team championship play-off. And we have
this to look forward to for the next 3 months.
One down (or up as it was a win), next up Fresno State (a definite step up from
week 1), then Michigan (ratchet up another big step). Great Non-conference
schedule! And as some have said we are no USC; conversely, they are no Utah!
Thank you for the article once again, Dirk. The Trib seems to give its writers
the weekend off after games.
Better be careful Chris B. I would hold off mocking all the so called WAC teams
until after the Fresno game. It would be extremely embarrassing to you if Utah
loses. No comment you say this year will matter. Good luck.
Fresno runs a lot of read option. I think Utah will be more than ready.
Hard to tell from the game yesterday whether Fresno should be a cakewalk or SC
should be a nightmare, or maybe somewhere in-between. Saturday should answer
We'll see.But right now I can see Utah starting out 4-0, 3-1 at
worst.After watching Virginia vs UCLA yesterday.I see byu
starting out 1-3, 2-2 at best.byu, you're no UCLA.
It's interesting how christina refers to non-P5s as WAC teams; must have
something to do with reliving Utah nightmares from when the Utes were regularly
man handled by fellow conference mates.Unfortunately for her, not
much has changed. Utah is still regularly man handled by fellow conference
mates.As Vegasbob said:U are no USC.
Actually a better comparison would be the Colorado State vs Colorado game. As
far as talent level Utah=Colorado / Fresno State=Colorado State. Fresno State
comes to Utah and wins 34-24. I don't believe Utah is quite on USC's
level yet. The Utes did do well against the Bengals though.
@ CBTo paraphrase a former famous politician:You are no
USC. Keep looking ahead Chris. Beat Fresno State and Michigan in
the Big House. Keep dreaming.
worf,Virginia is an amazing team - they're better than your
team - just ask the scoreboardUtah will go bowling, will beat fresno
like the wac team they are, and will beat your team whenever we play next.Go UTESGo Pac 12
Sorry guys, it is going to be a long year.Fresno 24 Utah 17
See what pac 12 USC did to the #1 WAC Fresno team today?USC 52Fresno 13Last year the Pac 12 went 14-1 against the WAC.
That's all we need to know for this game.Utah 37Fresno
17Cant wait til the P5 start ONLY playing P5 teams.We
will start 3-0 and have a 7-5 or 8-4 season if we can stay healthy. Loved the
energy I saw on Thursday. Fresno will be a slightly more challenging team -
but its still a bad WAC team.
The utes might have a bowl game this year:* UCLA had only one
offensive touchdown against Virginia.* Washington struggling with
Hawaii.The PAC 11 is highly overrated.
Good Luck Utes on the game this week. I hope we continue to develop the offense
so it is there when we need it against the PAC12 opponents.